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Title: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Martinus on September 18, 2011, 06:36:27 AM
QuoteTurkey to freeze EU ties if Cyprus gets EU presidency


ANKARA: Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay said EU-candidate Turkey would freeze relations with the European Union if Cyprus is given the rotating EU presidency in 2012, state-run Anatolian news agency reported late on Saturday.   

"If the peace negotiations there (Cyprus) are not conclusive, and the EU gives its rotating presidency to southern Cyprus, the real crisis will be between Turkey and the EU,"
Anatolian quoted Atalay as telling Turkish Cypriot Bayrak Radio and TV at the end of a trip to the breakaway state of northern Cyprus.   

"Because we will then freeze our relations with the EU, we have made this announcement, as a government we have made this decision," the agency quoted Atalay as saying.

The internationally-recognised Greek Cypriot government is due to obtain the six-month rotating EU presidency in July 2012.

What a bunch of retarded fucks. Seriously. :D

For the non-EU types, the rotating presidency thing as the word "rotating" implies, moves automatically to a different EU country each 6 months. So there is no EU decision involved here. And it is a purely procedural position - it does not involve any real power.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 07:23:10 AM
It was a mistake to admit Cyprus before they sorted out the conflict.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Martinus on September 18, 2011, 07:29:49 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 07:23:10 AM
It was a mistake to admit Cyprus before they sorted out the conflict.

No it wasn't. If Cyprus was stirring up shit, you would be right, but it's Turkey that's being unreasonable here.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 07:32:55 AM
It was South Cyprus that voted against the UN brokered peace deal with North Cyprus.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Iormlund on September 18, 2011, 07:34:22 AM
In related news, certain EU citizen who happens to be my brother has decided to end his grand tour in Turkey due to deepening relations with a representative of local female population.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Fireblade on September 18, 2011, 07:35:51 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on September 18, 2011, 07:34:22 AM
In related news, certain EU citizen who happens to be my brother has decided to end his grand tour in Turkey due to deepening relations with a representative of local female population.

Sand nigger lover.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 07:48:10 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on September 18, 2011, 07:34:22 AM
In related news, certain EU citizen who happens to be my brother has decided to end his grand tour in Turkey due to deepening relations with a representative of local female population.

:hmm:  Problems with the clan?
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Iormlund on September 18, 2011, 07:49:10 AM
Can I be: Ottoman in-law? :P

If her parents haven't lynched them yet I might go visit next spring. Apparently they'll live between Troy and Istanbul so there'll be a lot of interesting stuff to see.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 07:49:53 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 07:23:10 AM
It was a mistake to admit Cyprus before they sorted out the conflict.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 08:00:05 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on September 18, 2011, 07:49:10 AM
Can I be: Ottoman in-law? :P

If her parents haven't lynched them yet I might go visit next spring. Apparently they'll live between Troy and Istanbul so there'll be a lot of interesting stuff to see.

I can think of all kinds of Halloween costume possiblilities.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 08:01:40 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 07:23:10 AM
It was a mistake to admit Cyprus before they sorted out the conflict.

It was a mistake to admit about of a third of the countries in the EU.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 08:01:40 AMIt was a mistake to admit about of a third of the countries in the EU.
Not really. The only other countries that shouldn't have joined in their then or even current state are Romania and Bulgaria. So that's 3 out of 27.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 08:16:54 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 08:12:09 AM
Not really. The only other countries that shouldn't have joined in their then or even current state are Romania and Bulgaria. So that's 3 out of 27.

You're happy about Hungary?  Greece?
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Neil on September 18, 2011, 08:26:09 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 08:01:40 AMIt was a mistake to admit about of a third of the countries in the EU.
Not really. The only other countries that shouldn't have joined in their then or even current state are Romania and Bulgaria. So that's 3 out of 27.
There's also Greece.  The Greeks were, and remain, evil.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 08:43:54 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 08:16:54 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 08:12:09 AM
Not really. The only other countries that shouldn't have joined in their then or even current state are Romania and Bulgaria. So that's 3 out of 27.

You're happy about Hungary?  Greece?

Or those nasty Neo-Nazi Baltic states?  And Slovenia.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 08:55:38 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 08:16:54 AM
You're happy about Hungary?  Greece?
Greece joined in the 80s.  They shouldn't have been allowed in the Euro though.

I'd agree with Zanza's list.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Neil on September 18, 2011, 08:57:56 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 08:55:38 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 08:16:54 AM
You're happy about Hungary?  Greece?
Greece joined in the 80s.  They shouldn't have been allowed in the Euro though.

I'd agree with Zanza's list.
Yeah, but they shouldn't have let them into the EU in the 80s, or ever.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 09:01:47 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 08:43:54 AM
Or those nasty Neo-Nazi Baltic states?  And Slovenia.

You and I appear to have different definitions of Neo-Nazi.  The Baltics practice sound economics and the rule of law as far as I'm aware.

What's your beef with Slovenia?  I can't think of a more boring entrant to the EU.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 09:01:47 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 08:43:54 AM
Or those nasty Neo-Nazi Baltic states?  And Slovenia.

You and I appear to have different definitions of Neo-Nazi.  The Baltics practice sound economics and the rule of law as far as I'm aware.

What's your beef with Slovenia?  I can't think of a more boring entrant to the EU.

Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia.  The Baltic states have a bad habit of venerating Nazis.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 09:29:40 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 08:16:54 AMYou're happy about Hungary?  Greece?
Hungary's current policies are indeed a concern. It remains to be seen how it will develop.

In hindsight, Greece shouldn't have joined the Euro, but they certainly have a place in the EU.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Neil on September 18, 2011, 09:40:32 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 09:20:17 AM
Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia.  The Baltic states have a bad habit of venerating Nazis.
Can you blame them?  For them, the Nazis were the good guys who showed up to liberate them from the Russians.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 18, 2011, 09:40:32 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 09:20:17 AM
Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia.  The Baltic states have a bad habit of venerating Nazis.
Can you blame them?  For them, the Nazis were the good guys who showed up to liberate them from the Russians.

Of course I can blame them.  I'm doing it right now.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Neil on September 18, 2011, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 18, 2011, 09:40:32 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 09:20:17 AM
Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia.  The Baltic states have a bad habit of venerating Nazis.
Can you blame them?  For them, the Nazis were the good guys who showed up to liberate them from the Russians.
Of course I can blame them.  I'm doing it right now.
You have that freedom, but I am dismissing your criticism.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 18, 2011, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 18, 2011, 09:40:32 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 09:20:17 AM
Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia.  The Baltic states have a bad habit of venerating Nazis.
Can you blame them?  For them, the Nazis were the good guys who showed up to liberate them from the Russians.
Of course I can blame them.  I'm doing it right now.
You have that freedom, but I am dismissing your criticism.

Of course, the Nazis sold them out in the first place.  The ones the Germans wanted to keep were transferred out.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Habbaku on September 18, 2011, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 09:20:17 AM
Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia.

So?
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 09:29:40 AM
In hindsight, Greece shouldn't have joined the Euro, but they certainly have a place in the EU.
I think we could always have predicted Greece was going to be a problem.  It's not like we weren't warned, I mean their Euro coin image is of Zeus raping Europa.

I have some concerns with the Baltic states over their treatment of the Russian speaking minority and whether that's really okay within the EU.  But I think things are improving.  Aside from Romania, Bulgaria and Cyprus those are the only countries I wasn't sure should join.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Martinus on September 18, 2011, 11:46:32 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 09:29:40 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 08:16:54 AMYou're happy about Hungary?  Greece?
Hungary's current policies are indeed a concern. It remains to be seen how it will develop.

In hindsight, Greece shouldn't have joined the Euro, but they certainly have a place in the EU.

I think Hungary's problem is that Jobbik did not win the last elections.

I'll let you people figure that one out (hint: it's an analogy to the developments in Poland ;)).
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 18, 2011, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 09:20:17 AM
Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia.

So?

That's like saying you were once part of the Mob.  Or this lump was once part of a cancerous growth.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: jimmy olsen on September 18, 2011, 11:18:42 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
I think we could always have predicted Greece was going to be a problem.  It's not like we weren't warned, I mean their Euro coin image is of Zeus raping Europa.


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Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: DGuller on September 18, 2011, 11:29:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 09:01:47 AM
The Baltics practice sound economics and the rule of law as far as I'm aware.
Like 20% unemployment rates? :yeahright:
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Razgovory on September 18, 2011, 11:41:02 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 18, 2011, 11:29:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 09:01:47 AM
The Baltics practice sound economics and the rule of law as far as I'm aware.
Like 20% unemployment rates? :yeahright:

Tea Party economics.  I mean, they have a flat tax after all.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 12:03:08 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 09:29:40 AM
In hindsight, Greece shouldn't have joined the Euro, but they certainly have a place in the EU.
I think we could always have predicted Greece was going to be a problem.  It's not like we weren't warned, I mean their Euro coin image is of Zeus raping Europa.

Really?  Wow. :lol:

Re: the Baltics bar Lithuania, iirc, practice apartheid.  Or have they stopped being total monsters and nestled into more comfortable roles as the Alabama, Arkansas, and South Carolina of Europe?
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Habbaku on September 19, 2011, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 18, 2011, 11:29:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 09:01:47 AM
The Baltics practice sound economics and the rule of law as far as I'm aware.
Like 20% unemployment rates? :yeahright:

So they're the equal to Spain.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Martinus on September 19, 2011, 01:18:22 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 09:01:47 AM
The Baltics practice sound economics and the rule of law as far as I'm aware.

You are aware wrong. On both counts.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Martinus on September 19, 2011, 01:19:56 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 12:03:08 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 09:29:40 AM
In hindsight, Greece shouldn't have joined the Euro, but they certainly have a place in the EU.
I think we could always have predicted Greece was going to be a problem.  It's not like we weren't warned, I mean their Euro coin image is of Zeus raping Europa.

Really?  Wow. :lol:

Re: the Baltics bar Lithuania, iirc, practice apartheid.  Or have they stopped being total monsters and nestled into more comfortable roles as the Alabama, Arkansas, and South Carolina of Europe?

Lithuania is nasty too, although they hate Poles more than Russians it seems (for example they banned people spelling their last names in a non-Lithuanian way, if you can imagine that). And they have implemented or tried to implement some of the most homophobic policies in the EU (e.g. a law which criminalizes, with possible prison sentences, "presenting homosexuality in a good light", which causes protests all across Europe).

Not to mention they still venerate nazis and remember with sentiment such stories as their national soccer team winning a match with the German team in 1941 and being taken, as a reward, to the local ghetto to have some fun shooting at the Jews.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Martinus on September 19, 2011, 01:20:38 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 19, 2011, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 18, 2011, 11:29:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2011, 09:01:47 AM
The Baltics practice sound economics and the rule of law as far as I'm aware.
Like 20% unemployment rates? :yeahright:

So they're the equal to Spain.  :hmm:

Lithuania's economy contracted by 30% or so during the last few years. That's not comparable to Spain, you tard.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Razgovory on September 19, 2011, 02:25:42 AM
And here I am agreeing with Marty. :lol:
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Slargos on September 19, 2011, 02:37:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 19, 2011, 01:19:56 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 12:03:08 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 09:29:40 AM
In hindsight, Greece shouldn't have joined the Euro, but they certainly have a place in the EU.
I think we could always have predicted Greece was going to be a problem.  It's not like we weren't warned, I mean their Euro coin image is of Zeus raping Europa.

Really?  Wow. :lol:

Re: the Baltics bar Lithuania, iirc, practice apartheid.  Or have they stopped being total monsters and nestled into more comfortable roles as the Alabama, Arkansas, and South Carolina of Europe?

Lithuania is nasty too, although they hate Poles more than Russians it seems (for example they banned people spelling their last names in a non-Lithuanian way, if you can imagine that). And they have implemented or tried to implement some of the most homophobic policies in the EU (e.g. a law which criminalizes, with possible prison sentences, "presenting homosexuality in a good light", which causes protests all across Europe).

Not to mention they still venerate nazis and remember with sentiment such stories as their national soccer team winning a match with the German team in 1941 and being taken, as a reward, to the local ghetto to have some fun shooting at the Jews.

:wub:

I've always liked the Lithuanians.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 03:20:36 AM
Quote from: Slargos on September 19, 2011, 02:37:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 19, 2011, 01:19:56 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 12:03:08 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 09:29:40 AM
In hindsight, Greece shouldn't have joined the Euro, but they certainly have a place in the EU.
I think we could always have predicted Greece was going to be a problem.  It's not like we weren't warned, I mean their Euro coin image is of Zeus raping Europa.

Really?  Wow. :lol:

Re: the Baltics bar Lithuania, iirc, practice apartheid.  Or have they stopped being total monsters and nestled into more comfortable roles as the Alabama, Arkansas, and South Carolina of Europe?

Lithuania is nasty too, although they hate Poles more than Russians it seems (for example they banned people spelling their last names in a non-Lithuanian way, if you can imagine that). And they have implemented or tried to implement some of the most homophobic policies in the EU (e.g. a law which criminalizes, with possible prison sentences, "presenting homosexuality in a good light", which causes protests all across Europe).

Not to mention they still venerate nazis and remember with sentiment such stories as their national soccer team winning a match with the German team in 1941 and being taken, as a reward, to the local ghetto to have some fun shooting at the Jews.

:wub:

I've always liked the Lithuanians.

Why?  If the Balts were a superior people, surely they'd have avoided being subjugated by Poles and Russians.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: The Larch on September 19, 2011, 04:47:38 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 18, 2011, 11:18:42 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
I think we could always have predicted Greece was going to be a problem.  It's not like we weren't warned, I mean their Euro coin image is of Zeus raping Europa.


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There you go.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 19, 2011, 04:49:22 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 18, 2011, 11:29:23 PM
Like 20% unemployment rates? :yeahright:

You were the guy cracking on the CNBC talking heads for misunderstanding macroeconomics, right?

Unemployment is not a policy.  Loose money is a policy, which you can't pursue if your belong to a transnational currency, or you have a fixed exchange rate.  Deficit spending is a policy, which you might or might not be able to pursue given your fiscal situation.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Josquius on September 19, 2011, 04:56:33 AM
It is rather silly from Turkey.
But hey, hopefully it'll give Cyprus a kick up the bum to sort out its shit. We really should have made them do that before they could join the EU
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: The Larch on September 19, 2011, 05:00:52 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 12:03:08 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 09:29:40 AM
In hindsight, Greece shouldn't have joined the Euro, but they certainly have a place in the EU.
I think we could always have predicted Greece was going to be a problem.  It's not like we weren't warned, I mean their Euro coin image is of Zeus raping Europa.

Really?  Wow. :lol:

Re: the Baltics bar Lithuania, iirc, practice apartheid.  Or have they stopped being total monsters and nestled into more comfortable roles as the Alabama, Arkansas, and South Carolina of Europe?

AFAIK at least their attitude towards their Russian minorities improved as a condition towards joining the EU. Don't know how it is nowadays, but back in the day these minorities were essentially stateless as they wouldn't be given their corresponding Baltic nationality unless they passed language and culture tests that were understood to be way too rigurous and had to be relaxed. It seems that this was a problem mostly of the older generations, who hadn't ever used Estonian or Latvian in their day to day lives despite living there for their whole lifes.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 05:05:17 AM
Quote from: The Larch on September 19, 2011, 04:47:38 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 18, 2011, 11:18:42 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 18, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
I think we could always have predicted Greece was going to be a problem.  It's not like we weren't warned, I mean their Euro coin image is of Zeus raping Europa.


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There you go.

Okay, that's fucked up on at least two levels.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on September 19, 2011, 06:01:48 AM
 :lmfao:

I'd never really thought about those Greek coins before............but have to admit that it is very funny given the way things have turned out. Well spotted Sheilbh  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 19, 2011, 06:38:28 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 07:32:55 AM
It was South Cyprus that voted against the UN brokered peace deal with North Cyprus.

The last one. How many of those were rejected by the Turks, again?
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 06:43:06 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on September 19, 2011, 06:01:48 AM
:lmfao:

I'd never really thought about those Greek coins before............but have to admit that it is very funny given the way things have turned out. Well spotted Sheilbh  :thumbsup:

It'd be inappropriate even if Greece was in the position of Germany.  It's like if we printed a two dollar bill with Tom Jefferson sodomizing Sally Hemings.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: The Larch on September 19, 2011, 06:46:47 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 19, 2011, 06:38:28 AM
Quote from: Zanza on September 18, 2011, 07:32:55 AM
It was South Cyprus that voted against the UN brokered peace deal with North Cyprus.

The last one. How many of those were rejected by the Turks, again?

There has only been one referendum, AFAIK, the 2004 one.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on September 19, 2011, 07:58:42 AM
And when the official policy of the Greek Cypriots is still ethnic cleansing of all the Turks, you can see why Northern Cyprus would be reluctant to accept their deals.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 19, 2011, 08:16:54 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 19, 2011, 07:58:42 AM
And when the official policy of the Greek Cypriots is still ethnic cleansing of all the Turks, you can see why Northern Cyprus would be reluctant to accept their deals.

Sending settlers from the Anatolian mainland is illegal under international law. If Having then returned to Anatolia is what you call ethnic cleansing, then you should check up your definition
Btw; that's why Erdogan criticising Israeli colonisation is a classic case of double standards.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 08:23:53 AM
Who would want to go to Northern Cyprus?
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Valmy on September 19, 2011, 08:30:06 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 08:23:53 AM
Who would want to go to Northern Cyprus?

I hear it is lovely in the Spring.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Neil on September 19, 2011, 08:32:18 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 19, 2011, 01:19:56 AM
Lithuania is nasty too, although they hate Poles more than Russians it seems (for example they banned people spelling their last names in a non-Lithuanian way, if you can imagine that).
What's wrong with that?  Doesn't Sweden also decide what people can and cannot be named?
QuoteAnd they have implemented or tried to implement some of the most homophobic policies in the EU (e.g. a law which criminalizes, with possible prison sentences, "presenting homosexuality in a good light", which causes protests all across Europe).
Well, if Eastern European faggots are anything like you, I can see why they would have such a problem with them.
QuoteNot to mention they still venerate nazis and remember with sentiment such stories as their national soccer team winning a match with the German team in 1941 and being taken, as a reward, to the local ghetto to have some fun shooting at the Jews.
It's hard to blame them for liking the Nazis, what with the Nazis being liberators to the Balts, and the Allies representing enslavement and genocide.  That Nazis were the lesser of two evils if you were a Balt.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Slargos on September 19, 2011, 08:36:29 AM
The cypriot situation is a great example of how difficult the topic of ethnic cleansing is.

On the one hand, punishing the descendants of the colonists is "inhumane" (for the lack of a better term), but rewarding the atrocities perpetrated by the occupants by simply ignoring long enough also seems deeply unfair.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on September 19, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 19, 2011, 08:16:54 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 19, 2011, 07:58:42 AM
And when the official policy of the Greek Cypriots is still ethnic cleansing of all the Turks, you can see why Northern Cyprus would be reluctant to accept their deals.

Sending settlers from the Anatolian mainland is illegal under international law. If Having then returned to Anatolia is what you call ethnic cleansing, then you should check up your definition
Btw; that's why Erdogan criticising Israeli colonisation is a classic case of double standards.

Ethnic cleansing was what started the mess in the first place.
And of course Greeks are allowed to settle in southern Cyprus, while Turks are not.
The ultimate goal is still a Turk-free Cyprus.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 19, 2011, 10:11:58 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 08:23:53 AM
Who would want to go to Northern Cyprus?

Poor Anatolian goatherders, when sponsored by the Turkish state.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 19, 2011, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 19, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 19, 2011, 08:16:54 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 19, 2011, 07:58:42 AM
And when the official policy of the Greek Cypriots is still ethnic cleansing of all the Turks, you can see why Northern Cyprus would be reluctant to accept their deals.

Sending settlers from the Anatolian mainland is illegal under international law. If Having then returned to Anatolia is what you call ethnic cleansing, then you should check up your definition
Btw; that's why Erdogan criticising Israeli colonisation is a classic case of double standards.

Ethnic cleansing was what started the mess in the first place.
And of course Greeks are allowed to settle in southern Cyprus, while Turks are not.
The ultimate goal is still a Turk-free Cyprus.

Greeks did not need and still need not to settle Cyprus, unlike Turks who had to populate the areas they ethnically cleansed after the Greek Junta coup and the counter Turkish coup a.k.a Invasion.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 19, 2011, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 19, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
The ultimate goal is still a Turk-free Cyprus.

Might as well go for a turk-free Turkey?
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Warspite on September 19, 2011, 11:43:22 AM
How many Turks are left in the Greek bit of Cyprus?
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: The Larch on September 19, 2011, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: Warspite on September 19, 2011, 11:43:22 AM
How many Turks are left in the Greek bit of Cyprus?

Couldn't find anything specific, but maybe this is a good proxy:

QuoteAccording to the 2001 census carried out in the Government controlled area, 94.8% of the population are Christian Orthodox, 0.9% Armenians and Maronites, 1.5% Roman Catholics, 1.0% Church of England, and 0.6% Muslims. The remaining 1.3% adhere to other religious denominations or did not state their religion.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Sheilbh on September 19, 2011, 12:16:55 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 19, 2011, 08:23:53 AM
Who would want to go to Northern Cyprus?
Really good holidays apparently :)
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 20, 2011, 06:29:19 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 19, 2011, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 19, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
The ultimate goal is still a Turk-free Cyprus.

Might as well go for a turk-free Turkey?

The ultimate goal for the Junta and the radicals was Enosis (reuniting with Greece). Makarios wasn't that interested in uniting with the Colonels' Junta.

Unlike Anatolia, Turks were never a majority or even plurality in Cyprus.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 20, 2011, 02:06:26 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 20, 2011, 06:29:19 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 19, 2011, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 19, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
The ultimate goal is still a Turk-free Cyprus.

Might as well go for a turk-free Turkey?

The ultimate goal for the Junta and the radicals was Enosis (reuniting with Greece). Makarios wasn't that interested in uniting with the Colonels' Junta.

Unlike Anatolia, Turks were never a majority or even plurality in Cyprus.

I know. Which is why Turkey should suffer heavenly fire for their actions.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Neil on September 20, 2011, 04:21:14 PM
The Republic of Cyprus is 95% Turkish.  77% 'Greek' Turkish and 18% pure Turkish.
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: AnchorClanker on September 20, 2011, 04:22:08 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Habbaku on September 20, 2011, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 20, 2011, 04:21:14 PM
The Republic of Cyprus is 95% Turkish.  77% 'Greek' Turkish and 18% pure Turkish.

:)
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 21, 2011, 02:48:08 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 20, 2011, 04:21:14 PM
The Republic of Cyprus is 95% Turkish.  77% 'Greek' Turkish and 18% pure Turkish.

Does "pure Turkish" include Mountain Turkish?
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 21, 2011, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 20, 2011, 04:21:14 PM
The Republic of Cyprus is 95% Turkish.  77% 'Greek' Turkish and 18% pure Turkish.
:D
Title: Re: Turkey makes more friends. This time: the EU
Post by: Neil on September 21, 2011, 12:31:09 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 21, 2011, 02:48:08 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 20, 2011, 04:21:14 PM
The Republic of Cyprus is 95% Turkish.  77% 'Greek' Turkish and 18% pure Turkish.
Does "pure Turkish" include Mountain Turkish?
Sure.  I'm willing to give pan-Turkism a fling.  They'll probably end up occupied by Israel at the rate they're going anyways.