Breaking news from Cairo, the Israeli embassy is under seige from demonstrators.
Reports that it might be getting 'out of hand'.
President Obama has spoken to the Israelis in response to a fall from them for help in resolving the situation.
They're climbing into the building. The Israelis had been planning to build a wall around the embassy/office block in response to recent protests.
Sky News are, of course, having talking heads talking about Osborne and Lagarde. Luckily Al-Jazeera English has live coverage and some commentary.
Edit: Apparently Israeli embassy staff are at the airport waiting to leave. The Egyptian PM's called an emergency cabinet meeting. The building's been broken into and lots of papers thrown from the windows, but it's not clear if they've actually got into the Israeli embassy yet.
Edit again: Apparently the IDF's airplane's already landed at Cairo airport and is ready to evacuate the staff there if necessary. It also sounds like the people who broke in have left but there's a ruckus between large protests outside the embassy and the police.
Arab spring will usher democracy :lol:
G.
Egypt under state of emergency?
Interesting. Apparently this started with protests outside the State Security HQ and then moved on. So far the military's keeping out of it and there's generally non-violent crowd dispersion going on - tear gas and the like - though abotu 150 have been injured. This is in contrast with when the military cleared Tahrir Square (which looks like it's filling up a bit tonight) at the start of Ramadan when people died and it was the army who led the whole thing.
Well, Egypt, it was nice knowing you.
The stuff at the State Security looks like it was getting quite serious. There are burning cars, molotov cocktails and the like. It wouldn't surprise me if the Egyptian police kettled the crowd to the embassy.
The new masters of Egypt need a yank on the chain.
Quote from: Legbiter on September 09, 2011, 07:39:16 PM
The new masters of Egypt need a yank on the chain.
by running the assholes over with those M60 tanks.
Why are they protesting?
Quote from: Grallon on September 09, 2011, 07:20:23 PM
Arab spring will usher democracy :lol:
Isn't this will of the Egyptian people? If Egypt becomes a democracy their foreign policy will be hostile to Israel by default.
The crowd's apparently in the thousands at, I think, 0245. The State Security and Interior Ministry are having their security beefed up.
Just saw a guy in a Nasser t-shirt. I had no idea he was seen in that way :mellow:
Al-Jazeera have a rather attractive correspondent in Cairo, Sherine Tadros. :wub:
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 09, 2011, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on September 09, 2011, 07:39:16 PM
The new masters of Egypt need a yank on the chain.
by running the assholes over with those M60 tanks.
Egypt has M1s
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.makesplash.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F02%2Fm1a1-in-tahrir-square.jpg&hash=2aa1e5bc9e52231103ad1305ee973964e6b5bbb3)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 09, 2011, 07:43:20 PM
Isn't this will of the Egyptian people? If Egypt becomes a democracy their foreign policy will be hostile to Israel by default.
Oh well, I guess they'll have to have their teeth kicked in again by the IDF. Stupid yoots who don't know history. :(
Quote from: Razgovory on September 09, 2011, 07:41:57 PM
Why are they protesting?
Not clear. As I say it looks like this started at State Security, or there were two protests that merged into one.
Quote from: mongers on September 09, 2011, 07:43:54 PM
Al-Jazeera have a rather attractive correspondent in Cairo, Sherine Tadros. :wub:
Sky News and the BBC are still running normal news programming. So on the BBC we've got Click talking about stills cameras :bleeding:
Quote from: Caliga on September 09, 2011, 07:44:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 09, 2011, 07:43:20 PM
Isn't this will of the Egyptian people? If Egypt becomes a democracy their foreign policy will be hostile to Israel by default.
Oh well, I guess they'll have to have their teeth kicked in again by the IDF. Stupid yoots who don't know history. :(
I personally can't wait until the US yanks their logistical chain for all their American toys.
I personally can't wait until there are Jews in Cairo. :)
Quote from: Caliga on September 09, 2011, 07:48:51 PM
I personally can't wait until there are Jews in Cairo. :)
The joos don't want Gaza, why the fuck would they want Cairo? Cairo has, like, 10 times as many Arabs as there are in Gaza.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 09, 2011, 07:45:38 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 09, 2011, 07:44:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 09, 2011, 07:43:20 PM
Isn't this will of the Egyptian people? If Egypt becomes a democracy their foreign policy will be hostile to Israel by default.
Oh well, I guess they'll have to have their teeth kicked in again by the IDF. Stupid yoots who don't know history. :(
I personally can't wait until the US yanks their logistical chain for all their American toys.
That's why we armed them. We get a veto on their military.
The Israeli Ambassador and his family have fled Cairo via a military transport.
Quote from: Grallon on September 09, 2011, 07:20:23 PM
Arab spring will usher democracy :lol:
G.
This has always been the problem with middle eastern democracy, the will of the people tends to be pretty conservative and anti-Israel, the west, etc....
Quote from: Caliga on September 09, 2011, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 09, 2011, 07:41:57 PM
Why are they protesting?
Israel's existence, I assume.
How about Israel's vocal support for Mubarak until the last moment, instead? Now they reap what they sow.
At least Obama was smart enough to switch the side America was on when he saw where the wind was blowing.
Frankly, I can't really blame Egyptians for disliking the Israelis over this. You can just as well wonder why Poland or the Baltics do not like the Soviets too much.
Quote from: Scipio on September 09, 2011, 07:36:50 PM
Well, Egypt, it was nice knowing you.
Didn't Turkey start military cooperation with Egypt recently? I don't think Turkey (not to mention, a lot of other countries in the region) would sit idly on their hands if Israel invaded Egypt.
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 01:12:20 AM
How about Israel's vocal support for Mubarak until the last moment, instead? Now they reap what they sow.
Could you share a little of this with us? It didn't show up on my radar screen.
Marty is right. Anti-semitism is a very new phenomenom, triggered by Israel's vocal support of falling Egyptian tyrant Mubarak.
So, I guess we are still on track to resolve this recession like the one in the 30s, ha?
Quote from: Viking on September 09, 2011, 07:52:03 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 09, 2011, 07:48:51 PM
I personally can't wait until there are Jews in Cairo. :)
The joos don't want Gaza, why the fuck would they want Cairo? Cairo has, like, 10 times as many Arabs as there are in Gaza.
Currently.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 10, 2011, 01:56:17 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 01:12:20 AM
How about Israel's vocal support for Mubarak until the last moment, instead? Now they reap what they sow.
Could you share a little of this with us? It didn't show up on my radar screen.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8293536/Egypt-crisis-Israel-rallies-to-support-of-Egyptian-regime.html
Quote from: Tamas on September 10, 2011, 02:12:36 AM
Marty is right. Anti-semitism is a very new phenomenom, triggered by Israel's vocal support of falling Egyptian tyrant Mubarak.
So, I guess we are still on track to resolve this recession like the one in the 30s, ha?
Fuck off, IT tard. Israel is unpopular in the region, and its decades of dealings with the dictator (and supporting him as he was being toppled) certainly do not help that.
Sic semper tyrannis - and those who stand with them. I do not have any sympathy for a country that gets chummy with "our" tyrant and then acts all hurt when the people who suffered under the tyrant hate it for that.
Anyway, when I speak of Israel in the above posts, I speak of the corrupt nationalist, settler and orthodox alliance that has held the Israeli politics in its grip for decades.
The real Israel's hope is in the Tel Aviv's State Square - and I root for them.
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 02:59:15 AM
Anyway, when I speak of Israel in the above posts, I speak of the corrupt nationalist, settler and orthodox alliance that has held the Israeli politics in its grip for decades.
The real Israel's hope is in the Tel Aviv's State Square - and I root for them.
The rent control rabble is the real Israel's hope? WTF?
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 02:51:39 AMFuck off, IT tard. Israel is unpopular in the region, and its decades of dealings with the dictator (and supporting him as he was being toppled) certainly do not help that.
Sic semper tyrannis - and those who stand with them. I do not have any sympathy for a country that gets chummy with "our" tyrant and then acts all hurt when the people who suffered under the tyrant hate it for that.
it's israel's fault that they had warm relations with a man who did not want to have them all murdered in their sleep, and who they could actually conduct diplomacy with? i think
the people of egypt would have hated israel regardless of their conduct with the old "tyrant"
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 01:12:20 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 09, 2011, 07:43:21 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 09, 2011, 07:41:57 PM
Why are they protesting?
Israel's existence, I assume.
How about Israel's vocal support for Mubarak until the last moment, instead? Now they reap what they sow.
At least Obama was smart enough to switch the side America was on when he saw where the wind was blowing.
Frankly, I can't really blame Egyptians for disliking the Israelis over this. You can just as well wonder why Poland or the Baltics do not like the Soviets too much.
Actually, it's probably more like Poland's 1935 anti-aggression pact with Germany. That's not a particularly good analogy, but it's better than comparing it to the relation between the Baltic States or Poland to Russia. Mabye the post-WWII relations between the Finns and the Soviets would fit.
Austrian radio said this was a (rather late?) response to some Egyptian border dudes dieing during an Israeli retaliatory attack on Gaza recently?
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 02:51:39 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 10, 2011, 02:12:36 AM
Marty is right. Anti-semitism is a very new phenomenom, triggered by Israel's vocal support of falling Egyptian tyrant Mubarak.
So, I guess we are still on track to resolve this recession like the one in the 30s, ha?
Fuck off, IT tard. Israel is unpopular in the region, and its decades of dealings with the dictator (and supporting him as he was being toppled) certainly do not help that.
Sic semper tyrannis - and those who stand with them. I do not have any sympathy for a country that gets chummy with "our" tyrant and then acts all hurt when the people who suffered under the tyrant hate it for that.
Perfect example. Turkey isn't becoming more anti-Israel because it's leaning more toward Asia. It's becoming more anti-Israel because it's leaning toward Europe.
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 01:20:52 AM
Didn't Turkey start military cooperation with Egypt recently? I don't think Turkey (not to mention, a lot of other countries in the region) would sit idly on their hands if Israel invaded Egypt.
I don't think it was anything formal but they're getting closer and Erdogan's visiting Cairo next week.
Quoteit's israel's fault that they had warm relations with a man who did not want to have them all murdered in their sleep, and who they could actually conduct diplomacy with? i think the people of egypt would have hated israel regardless of their conduct with the old "tyrant"
Let's not mythologise Mubarak as a friend of Israel. He did business with Israel and then blamed them for everything wrong with Egypt, including the revolution. He never visited Israel and, as the Qatari Emir was wikileaked saying, Mubarak wasn't interested in helping the peace process or anything like that except in so far as it helped him. I think that's in contrast to, say, Sadat or even Suleiman.
But I think this is what's shifted in the Middle East, the people now matter. I think it's going to lead to far more pressure on Palestine but the day of Israel simply dealing with 'moderate' tyrants whether openly (Egypt and Jordan) or discreetly (Saudi) are over, I think that's disconcerting and will be difficult, especially for Bibi to manage.
Quote from: Viking on September 10, 2011, 03:03:01 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 02:59:15 AM
Anyway, when I speak of Israel in the above posts, I speak of the corrupt nationalist, settler and orthodox alliance that has held the Israeli politics in its grip for decades.
The real Israel's hope is in the Tel Aviv's State Square - and I root for them.
The rent control rabble is the real Israel's hope? WTF?
He saw a movie or read an article in a fag mag.
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 01:12:20 AM
How about Israel's vocal support for Mubarak until the last moment, instead? Now they reap what they sow.
You're confusing cause and effect. The Israelis supported Mubbarak because the Egyptian people are dedicated to the extermination of every Jew, everywhere.
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 10, 2011, 06:52:41 AMHe did business with Israel
now let's not mythologize mubarak as a friend of israel ;)
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 01:12:20 AM
How about Israel's vocal support for Mubarak until the last moment, instead? Now they reap what they sow.
At least Obama was smart enough to switch the side America was on when he saw where the wind was blowing.
Frankly, I can't really blame Egyptians for disliking the Israelis over this. You can just as well wonder why Poland or the Baltics do not like the Soviets too much.
You must be very ignorant of the region and its history to think Israeli support for Mubarak is the reason Egyptians hate Israel.
I just read that apparently the same group that went from State Security to the Israeli Embassy tried to set up a protest outside the Saudi Embassy too and were tear gassed away before it could get settled. That sounds to me like this was against counter-revolutionary forces and (possibly) the Israelis were allowed to bear the brunt.
Given the growing dissatisfaction with the SCAF and the Egyptian government (and I had high hopes for 'I draw my legitimacy from you!' Sharaf) it feels sort of like we've already slid away from 1789 and are heading to '92.
1789? Egypt doesn't have native, violently nationalist intellectuals that could produce that sort of result.
Quote from: Razgovory on September 10, 2011, 05:38:00 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 02:51:39 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 10, 2011, 02:12:36 AM
Marty is right. Anti-semitism is a very new phenomenom, triggered by Israel's vocal support of falling Egyptian tyrant Mubarak.
So, I guess we are still on track to resolve this recession like the one in the 30s, ha?
Fuck off, IT tard. Israel is unpopular in the region, and its decades of dealings with the dictator (and supporting him as he was being toppled) certainly do not help that.
Sic semper tyrannis - and those who stand with them. I do not have any sympathy for a country that gets chummy with "our" tyrant and then acts all hurt when the people who suffered under the tyrant hate it for that.
Perfect example. Turkey isn't becoming more anti-Israel because it's leaning more toward Asia. It's becoming more anti-Israel because it's leaning toward Europe.
I think this is the 4th similar attempt to troll some poor euro into "arguing" with you in the last couple of days.
I'm sorry it's not working out so far. :console:
Quote from: Ancient Demon on September 10, 2011, 09:38:17 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 10, 2011, 01:12:20 AM
How about Israel's vocal support for Mubarak until the last moment, instead? Now they reap what they sow.
At least Obama was smart enough to switch the side America was on when he saw where the wind was blowing.
Frankly, I can't really blame Egyptians for disliking the Israelis over this. You can just as well wonder why Poland or the Baltics do not like the Soviets too much.
You must be very ignorant of the region and its history to think Israeli support for Mubarak is the reason Egyptians hate Israel.
We do know it's the reason Poles hate Israel, what with their lengthy history of peaceful coexistence with European Jewry, and the large, prominent, and popular Jewish minority in Poland today.