Rather ironic.
I expected the immediate post election surge, but didn't expect it to be still ongoing.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44375021/ns/business-us_business/
QuoteWhy the gun industry secretly loves Obama
Sales of firearms have surged since he took office
By Joshua Green
updated 9/5/2011 11:25:14 AM ET 2011-09-05T15:25:14
Rick Perry's emergence as the front runner for the Republican Presidential nomination would seem like a coup for the gun industry. The Texas governor's enthusiasm for firearms rivals Yosemite Sam's. He has an A+ rating from the Texas State Rifle Association and packs a laser-sighted Ruger pistol when he jogs. Last year, he famously shot a coyote that threatened his dog during a run. To commemorate his act of valor, the manufacturer, Sturm, Ruger & Co., produced a lightweight, limited-edition "Coyote Special" with the words "A True Texan" emblazoned on the barrel. Collectors snapped them up. Perry would be as ardent a champion of gun rights as has ever occupied the White House.
And yet he still may not do as much for the industry as Barack Obama already has. In the time since he took office, gun sales have soared. The government doesn't track individual sales. But the FBI criminal background check required to purchase a gun is considered a reasonable proxy, and these have hit record numbers each year Obama has been in office. This year, they're on track to surpass 15 million for the first time.
Ruger has done especially well. Since Obama's inauguration the company's stock price has risen more than 400 percent, making it a better investment than gold, which is up 113 percent. "They've been outstanding in offering new products, especially in the concealable handgun segment," says Jim Barrett, an analyst at CL King who tracks the gun industry and rates the company a "strong buy."
Bloomberg Businessweek: Glock: America's gun
Analysts anticipated a brief jump in firearm sales after the election as many gun owners, fearful that a new Democratic President would move to ban assault weapons, fortified their home arsenals. "Initially, what spiked were the tactical rifles, the stuff Rambo might use," says Barrett. As a result, 2009 was "a blockbuster year."
So was 2010. And so is 2011. The strong numbers go beyond Rambo-type firepower to include the compact pistols that Perry prefers, although joggers and fans of the governor won't have an easy time finding his signature model. "We were almost sold out before the press ever caught wind of it, and now that he's running for President the calls have intensified," says Brent Samperi, sales manager at Hill Country Wholesale, a distributor in Pflugerville, Texas. No one is entirely certain why sales are still surging. "Gun owners don't like to be surveyed," Barrett notes.
Dealers and analysts have several theories. One is that hardcore gun enthusiasts fear the lousy economy will set off a crime wave. Another is that political upheaval over the federal debt may lead to riots like those in Greece and London. Still another popular, if paranoid, belief that's taken hold among gun-rights advocates: that Obama is waiting until he is reelected to separate Americans from their firearms, prompting worried gun owners to stock up in anticipation.
Even as the industry pumps money into the National Rifle Association, which is intent upon defeating Obama, some gunmakers wonder if these fears — and the sales they generate — will dry up if a gun-friendly Republican like Perry wins the White House. Sturm, Ruger & Co. CEO Michael O. Fifer alluded to this concern in a July sales call. "I think half of the people in the firearms industry, if asked, would hope [Obama] is not President, but then will secretly go out and vote for him again," Fifer said. Talk like that won't win Fifer any plaudits from the NRA. But it does capture the industry's strange predicament: If gunmakers work too hard to defeat Obama, they may be shooting themselves in the foot.
The bottom line: Since Obama took office, Ruger's stock has climbed more than 400 percent, outperforming gold.
Owning guns is wrong.
All power to the people. :pirate
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
Owning guns is wrong.
Yes and gun owners are wicked and evil.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 05, 2011, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
Owning guns is wrong.
Yes and gun owners are wicked and evil.
That is also correct.
Well, I'm not a big fan of fun ownership, but I think that longgun owners are merely in error. Handguns, on the other hand, are owned exclusively by criminals and evil people, and that anyone who owns a handgun should be considered a criminal, as there is no good reason why a civilized society should allow anyone to have one.
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 07:28:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 05, 2011, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
Owning guns is wrong.
Yes and gun owners are wicked and evil.
That is also correct.
Well, I'm not a big fan of fun ownership, but I think that longgun owners are merely in error. Handguns, on the other hand, are owned exclusively by criminals and evil people, and that anyone who owns a handgun should be considered a criminal, as there is no good reason why a civilized society should allow anyone to have one.
Yes, guns are bad and the root of all problems.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 05, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 07:28:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 05, 2011, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
Owning guns is wrong.
Yes and gun owners are wicked and evil.
That is also correct.
Well, I'm not a big fan of fun ownership, but I think that longgun owners are merely in error. Handguns, on the other hand, are owned exclusively by criminals and evil people, and that anyone who owns a handgun should be considered a criminal, as there is no good reason why a civilized society should allow anyone to have one.
Yes, guns are bad and the root of all problems.
A symptom, not a cause.
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 07:53:08 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 05, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 07:28:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 05, 2011, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
Owning guns is wrong.
Yes and gun owners are wicked and evil.
Ah, glad that was clarified.
That is also correct.
Well, I'm not a big fan of fun ownership, but I think that longgun owners are merely in error. Handguns, on the other hand, are owned exclusively by criminals and evil people, and that anyone who owns a handgun should be considered a criminal, as there is no good reason why a civilized society should allow anyone to have one.
Yes, guns are bad and the root of all problems.
A symptom, not a cause.
Glad that was clarified.
That said, things would be better if I were to go back in time and murder your founding fathers before they put in the Second Amendment.
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 08:11:33 PM
That said, things would be better if I were to go back in time and murder your founding fathers before they put in the Second Amendment.
If you're gonna go that far why not stop the Revolution completely?
Quote from: sbr on September 05, 2011, 08:30:42 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 08:11:33 PM
That said, things would be better if I were to go back in time and murder your founding fathers before they put in the Second Amendment.
If you're gonna go that far why not stop the Revolution completely?
A wise policy. The Rebellion was utterly immoral.
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 08:11:33 PM
That said, things would be better if I were to go back in time and murder your founding fathers before they put in the Second Amendment.
Wouldn't need to murder them; a copy of Strunk & White's would've helped, though.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2011, 06:18:53 PM
The bottom line: Since Obama took office, Ruger's stock has climbed more than 400 percent, outperforming gold.
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Bought their SR 556 last Sept. Nice piece. I have owned several Ruger Bolt actions 30-06, .264, 7x57, and .338. and their single shot in 45-70. Ruger generally is of high qaulity. I still own the M77 in 7x57. Great little deer rifle. But, I'm still partial to my sporterized 30-40 Krag or CZ 7x64, when I'm out for deer.
For the life of me I do not get why this is still a divisive political issue. Hasn't this already been decided in favor of the gun-lobby years ago?
Leftist flakes will still try.
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 07:28:10 PM
Well, I'm not a big fan of fun ownership...
But if we ban fun ownership, only criminals will have fun!
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[Siegy]People buy guns when there is a black man trying to get their money.[/Siegy]
Quote from: Martinus on September 06, 2011, 12:37:32 AM
[Siegy]People buy guns when there is a black man trying to get their money.[/Siegy]
:huh:
Quote from: Razgovory on September 06, 2011, 02:23:45 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 06, 2011, 12:37:32 AM
[Siegy]People buy guns when there is a black man trying to get their money.[/Siegy]
:huh:
Must be an inside joke. Didnt think Siege had anything against colored folk.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 05, 2011, 09:59:02 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2011, 08:11:33 PM
That said, things would be better if I were to go back in time and murder your founding fathers before they put in the Second Amendment.
Wouldn't need to murder them; a copy of Strunk & White's would've helped, though.
Who knows? The might have been gun nuts. They were certainly traitors.
Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2011, 10:55:57 PM
For the life of me I do not get why this is still a divisive political issue. Hasn't this already been decided in favor of the gun-lobby years ago?
So long as there are other countries out there giving your native leftists and moderates an example of what things could be like in a society where everyone wasn't armed to the teeth, you'll always have the more idealistic of them trying to make moves like this.
I am: evil.
Multiple times over. :P
I wonder who the biggest gun owner on languish is?
We need to compare gun wangs.
I have an authentic replica matchlock handcannon
For the contest, I haz:
AK-47
SKS-M
Walther PPK
Beretta 9mm
.38 police service revolver
12 gauge Remington shotty
I know there are more heavily armed Languish psychos.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 06, 2011, 10:55:25 AM
For the contest, I haz:
AK-47
SKS-M
Walther PPK
Beretta 9mm
.38 police service revolver
12 gauge Remington shotty
I know there are more heavily armed Languish psychos.
No, you got me beat. The AK puts you over the top.
I HAZ A CHOPPA!
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Quote from: Neil on September 06, 2011, 07:23:59 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2011, 10:55:57 PM
For the life of me I do not get why this is still a divisive political issue. Hasn't this already been decided in favor of the gun-lobby years ago?
So long as there are other countries out there giving your native leftists and moderates an example of what things could be like in a society where everyone wasn't armed to the teeth, you'll always have the more idealistic of them trying to make moves like this.
Bloomberg has been flipping out about guns this weekend after 46 people were shot in NYC.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 06, 2011, 10:55:25 AM
For the contest, I haz:
AK-47
SKS-M
Walther PPK
Beretta 9mm
.38 police service revolver
12 gauge Remington shotty
Are you trying to reshoot old Bond movies?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 06, 2011, 01:46:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 06, 2011, 10:55:25 AM
For the contest, I haz:
AK-47
SKS-M
Walther PPK
Beretta 9mm
.38 police service revolver
12 gauge Remington shotty
Are you trying to reshoot old Bond movies?
The Walther makes for a good conceal carry weapon.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 06, 2011, 10:49:18 AM
I wonder who the biggest gun owner on languish is?
We need to compare gun wangs.
As fate would have it, I found a gun in the house today. I think it's an old Colt 38 revolver. Handle is chipped, but otherwise it looks to be in decent condition. My guess is that it belonged to my Great Grand father who was a sheriff (and later prison warden). I had thought my mother sold all the old weapons in the family after my Grandma died (they looked like old trophy weapons. Japanese sword, German WWI rifle).
I have:
Sig p229
S&W 1911 .45ACP
12 gauge Remington
Ruger .357magnum (wife's gun)
That's it.
Oh, and a 1200fps air rifle with a scope and silencer for waging war against the evil Quail Imperium.
This thread bemuses me, I live in a country where it's not necessary for most civilians to own weapons. :cool:
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:41:47 PM
This thread bemuses me, I live in a country where it's not necessary for most civilians to own weapons. :cool:
I guess constant photographic surveillance of the citizenry by the central government does make things more secure.
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:41:47 PM
This thread bemuses me, I live in a country where it's not necessary for most civilians to own weapons. :cool:
What a coincidence; I also live in a country where it's not necessary for most civilians to own weapons. :)
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 02:45:12 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:41:47 PM
This thread bemuses me, I live in a country where it's not necessary for most civilians to own weapons. :cool:
What a coincidence; I also live in a country where it's not necessary for most civilians to own weapons. :)
Which country is that ?
The USA .
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 06, 2011, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:41:47 PM
This thread bemuses me, I live in a country where it's not necessary for most civilians to own weapons. :cool:
I guess constant photographic surveillance of the citizenry by the central government does make things more secure.
Actually the survey that first originated that statistic has now been thoroughly debunked, so it's not clear where the UK stands, though I'd guess fairly high up.
However iirc most CCTV systems aren't monitored and the tapes are often recycled in ineffectively short time periods.
Besides, I'm not too worried by a overly intrusive government as compared with the inherent dangers of an armed population; over on this side of the pond, I wouldn't trust anyone I know with a gun, saving the farmers.
I'd suggest you're trying to compare apples and
oranges hand grenades.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
The USA .
So why do so many of you have military fire arms ?
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
The USA .
So why do so many of you have military fire arms ?
Because we can, we enjoy sports associated with them and also appreciate the ease of self-defense with them, among other reasons . But gun ownership has never been necessary in the USA . Was it ever necessary in the UK ?
Why not?
You're just as unlikely to need a gun as you are a seatbelt, but I bet that doesn't stop you from buckling up. :P
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 02:54:30 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
The USA .
So why do so many of you have military fire arms ?
Because we can, we enjoy sports associated with them and also appreciate the ease of self-defense with them, among other reasons.
Throughout the course of an American's lifetime who often or what are the percentage chances that the individual will need to defend themselves with a firearm ?
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
The USA .
So why do so many of you have military fire arms ?
Sounds really sad that need dictates your consumption. :(
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
The USA .
So why do so many of you have military fire arms ?
Because 6 inches is just the average, there is significant variance.
I think I'm winning the race in terms of number owned, by the way. I don't recall off-hand what all I have but some are as follows :
Ruger LCP (.380)
Swedish Mauser from 1902
Lee-Enfield .303 from the '50s.
Korean War-era M1 Garand
Japanese Arisaka (and sword bayonet)
AK-47 (WASR-10, Romanian)
Nagant revolver (.32 and .38)
1934 Beretta 9MM
MAS 49/56
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:57:36 PM
Throughout the course of an American's lifetime who often or what are the percentage chances that the individual will need to defend themselves with a firearm ?
Incredibly low, depending on where one lives . Why do you ask ?
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 03:00:36 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:57:36 PM
Throughout the course of an American's lifetime who often or what are the percentage chances that the individual will need to defend themselves with a firearm ?
Incredibly low, depending on where one lives . Why do you ask ?
See your previous post.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 06, 2011, 02:57:34 PM
Why not?
You're just as unlikely to need a gun as you are a seatbelt, but I bet that doesn't stop you from buckling up. :P
I think you are much more likely to need a seatbelt then a gun. I've been in several car accidents and no gun fights or home invasions. That said, I don't really have any problem with people owning guns.
Quote from: garbon on September 06, 2011, 02:58:10 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 02:48:46 PM
The USA .
So why do so many of you have military fire arms ?
Sounds really sad that need dictates your consumption. :(
Yeah, I can see your point; it's time the federal government stop restricting peoples access to poisons, if they want to collect them.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 06, 2011, 02:57:34 PM
Why not?
You're just as unlikely to need a gun as you are a seatbelt, but I bet that doesn't stop you from buckling up. :P
I think you are quite a bit more likely to need a seatbelt than a gun. There might be just as many deaths from car accidents as from firearms, but that's a very different matter and doesn't measure the efficacy of seatbelts at preventing death in a car accident. Not to mention the largest part of gun deaths in the US are from suicide, with a much, much smaller number of vehicular deaths from the same.
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 03:04:01 PM
Yeah, I can see your point; it's time the federal government stop restricting peoples access to poisons, if they want to collect them.
As far as I know, there are hundreds of poisons that one can buy without any sort of restriction. Clorox sells all sorts of dangerous chemicals.
Quote from: frunk on September 06, 2011, 03:18:21 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 06, 2011, 02:57:34 PM
Why not?
You're just as unlikely to need a gun as you are a seatbelt, but I bet that doesn't stop you from buckling up. :P
I think you are quite a bit more likely to need a seatbelt than a gun. There might be just as many deaths from car accidents as from firearms, but that's a very different matter and doesn't measure the efficacy of seatbelts at preventing death in a car accident. Not to mention the largest part of gun deaths in the US are from suicide, with a much, much smaller number of vehicular deaths from the same.
True. The point is that just because it's really unlikely doesn't make us not take the precautions.
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:52:05 PM
I'd suggest you're trying to compare apples and oranges hand grenades.
Apples with those little MI6 spy cameras inside.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 02:59:42 PM
I think I'm winning the race in terms of number owned, by the way. I don't recall off-hand what all I have but some are as follows :
Ruger LCP (.380)
Swedish Mauser from 1902
Lee-Enfield .303 from the '50s.
Korean War-era M1 Garand
Japanese Arisaka (and sword bayonet)
AK-47 (WASR-10, Romanian)
Nagant revolver (.32 and .38)
1934 Beretta 9MM
MAS 49/56
Habs meanwhile is all set to film a Van Johnson war pic.
Quote from: garbon on September 06, 2011, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 03:04:01 PM
Yeah, I can see your point; it's time the federal government stop restricting peoples access to poisons, if they want to collect them.
As far as I know, there are hundreds of poisons that one can buy without any sort of restriction. Clorox sells all sorts of dangerous chemicals.
Of course, the difference between Clorox and cars on one hand, and guns on the other hand, is that death is a side-effect rather than the main function of those items.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 06, 2011, 03:24:01 PM
True. The point is that just because it's really unlikely doesn't make us not take the precautions.
Point taken, but I think these two items have wildly different likelihoods so may not make for the best of comparisons. I'm willing to bet that just about everyone on this board has been in at least one car accident at some point, with most of them in multiple. I would be very surprised, apart from those in military service, police work or other work situations where violence is likely, if more than a quarter of the board members had ever been in a situation where having a gun would have been an asset. I myself have been in 7 car accidents, and in all but one of them wearing a seatbelt saved me from injury or death. I've never had an encounter that would have gone better if I was carrying a firearm.
Quote from: DGuller on September 06, 2011, 03:34:01 PM
Of course, the difference between Clorox and cars on one hand, and guns on the other hand, is that death is a side-effect rather than the main function of those items.
When a gun is used in self-defense, there are two side effects: death to the bad guy and lack of death to you.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 06, 2011, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 06, 2011, 02:52:05 PM
I'd suggest you're trying to compare apples and oranges hand grenades.
Apples with those little MI6 spy cameras inside.
Now you're confusing them with rocks. :ph34r:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 06, 2011, 03:24:01 PM
Quote from: frunk on September 06, 2011, 03:18:21 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 06, 2011, 02:57:34 PM
Why not?
You're just as unlikely to need a gun as you are a seatbelt, but I bet that doesn't stop you from buckling up. :P
I think you are quite a bit more likely to need a seatbelt than a gun. There might be just as many deaths from car accidents as from firearms, but that's a very different matter and doesn't measure the efficacy of seatbelts at preventing death in a car accident. Not to mention the largest part of gun deaths in the US are from suicide, with a much, much smaller number of vehicular deaths from the same.
True. The point is that just because it's really unlikely doesn't make us not take the precautions.
It appears more Americans die in gun accidents, per 100,00 pop, than are killed in the UK by guns from all causes; so it appears being prepared or taking precautions imposes its own additional costs.
On pure utilitarian grounds, there isn't much honest debate to be had. Guns aren't nuclear weapons, they don't lead to mutually assured destruction such that no one ever thinks to use them.
If gun ownership is to be successfully defended, it should be defended on freedom grounds. Being allowed to own a death-dealing weapon is a freedom, and all freedoms increase the potential for damage to oneself and others.
Quote from: DGuller on September 06, 2011, 04:20:55 PM
On pure utilitarian grounds, there isn't much honest debate to be had. Guns aren't nuclear weapons, they don't lead to mutually assured destruction such that no one ever thinks to use them.
If gun ownership is to be successfully defended, it should be defended on freedom grounds. Being allowed to own a death-dealing weapon is a freedom, and all freedoms increase the potential for damage to oneself and others.
That's primarily why I'm fairly progun. It's in the constitution and I don't like chiseling away at rights enumerated in the Constitution. Most people I know who own guns are like Derspeis or Cal or Ed. They collect guns and enjoy shooting them. Perhaps they go hunting during the season or use them to kill vermin. They have them in the unlikely occasion they are needed for self-defense. I see little problem with that. There should perhaps be a few limits. You shouldn't let someone like me own a gun or someone with a felony conviction.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 06, 2011, 03:36:25 PM
When a gun is used in self-defense, there are two side effects: death to the bad guy and lack of death to you.
Now imagine you are in a crowded, lurching subway car, and a dozen people pull their guns in "self-defense". What side effect then?
This is why NYC doesn't do conceal carry.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 02:59:42 PM
Swedish Mauser from 1902
Lee-Enfield .303 from the '50s.
Korean War-era M1 Garand
Japanese Arisaka (and sword bayonet)
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Browning Pro-9
Sig 220
M1911
Bersa 380
Custom Mauser in 358 Norma
CZ550 7x64
Ruger M77 7x57
Sporterized M1903
Sporterized M1898
Winchester Mod 94 (32 WIN)
Rem Mod 11 (20 GA)
Custom Interarms Mark X (338 Mag)
Interarms Mark X (7mm Mag)
Colt 1862 (38 Long Colt)
Rem New Army (45 Long Colt)
Schofield
1849 Pocket Pistol (32 S&W)
SW Mod 66 3 inch Nickel
Side by Side 12 GA
There might be some others that are laying around that I forgot at the moment
Oh,
Cetme
Ruger SR 556
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 06, 2011, 02:24:10 PM
Sig p229
Do you like this one? My arms dealer has one of these, and though I was probably going to pick up a Glock 19 from her, I want to look at the other options too (the third one being a Beretta of some mark or another).
Right now, my list is:
SIG 522
:blush:
Quote from: Habbaku on September 06, 2011, 02:59:42 PM
Japanese Arisaka (and sword bayonet)
Where did you get the rifle? I've got an Arisaka sword bayonet too, and it'd be nice to have the rifle to fit it to.
Quote from: Caliga on September 06, 2011, 06:05:59 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 06, 2011, 02:24:10 PM
Sig p229
Do you like this one? My arms dealer has one of these, and though I was probably going to pick up a Glock 19 from her, I want to look at the other options too (the third one being a Beretta of some mark or another).
Right now, my list is:
SIG 522
:blush:
Yes, I really like it. It's a .40
S&W Model 19/66 stainless .357 Magnum 2 1/4" barrel (preferred carry)
EAA .45 ported Witness (piece o' shit, but goes boom)
My father's blued .38 Colt Detective Special, older than I am, but in much better shape
Walther P-38, circa 1944, Werhmacht stamps and armament codes match, sold to my grandfather by a German merchant marine he knew in 1947)
Mossberg 500, pistol grip and collapsing stock
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 06, 2011, 09:23:46 PM
S&W Model 19/66 stainless .357 Magnum 2 1/4" barrel (preferred carry)
EAA .45 ported Witness (piece o' shit, but goes boom)
My father's blued .38 Colt Detective Special, older than I am, but in much better shape
Walther P-38, circa 1944, Werhmacht stamps and armament codes match, sold to my grandfather by a German merchant marine he knew in 1947)
Mossberg 500, pistol grip and collapsing stock
I dont own a Moss 500, but it's one of two long arms I have in the patrol car. I like it.
Do you guys hide your guns when chicks come around? Or are the chicks you date into this whole manchild thing?
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 03:41:56 AM
Do you guys hide your guns when chicks come around? Or are the chicks you date into this whole manchild thing?
You talkin to me? :huh:
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 03:56:15 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 03:41:56 AM
Do you guys hide your guns when chicks come around? Or are the chicks you date into this whole manchild thing?
You talkin to me? :huh:
OK, boys then. Same question.
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 04:01:01 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 03:56:15 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 03:41:56 AM
Do you guys hide your guns when chicks come around? Or are the chicks you date into this whole manchild thing?
You talkin to me? :huh:
OK, boys then. Same question.
Do you think the guns are just leaning in the corner at various places in the house. :lmfao: I have a six year old running around.
With the exception of the .358 Norma Mag (They dont like that one. :lol:), I have
not found a broad, that did not want to try and shoot the various weapons I own . It's strange really. I cant explain it.
Sometimes I worry about you.
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 04:30:26 AM
Sometimes I worry about you.
:lmfao: Why? I try to tell it like it is. I feel it would be a disingenious to your question otherwise.
Chicks love the guns. I dont know why.
I dated a chick that liked me to keep the shoulder holster on. Who am I to disappoint a lady.
I was chatting with a dude I know at the boozer t'other night, asked him how much he spends on ammo (he shoots a shitload). Told me he makes his own. Any of you guys do this too?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 07, 2011, 06:55:56 AM
I was chatting with a dude I know at the boozer t'other night, asked him how much he spends on ammo (he shoots a shitload). Told me he makes his own. Any of you guys do this too?
I dont make it, but reload..yes.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 06:56:59 AM
I dont make it, but reload..yes.
And that means what?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 07, 2011, 07:11:31 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 06:56:59 AM
I dont make it, but reload..yes.
And that means what?
For Rifle I;
I take a fired case, run it through a sizing die, put it in a media tumbler, trim the case if necessary (they stretch), clean primer pocket, reprime the case, weigh the powder charge(I weigh each charge for rifles), charge the case with powder, seat the bullet to the proper OAL in the seating die. Wala a round of ammunition.
This does not include load deveolpment, measuring case head stretch, throat length, bullet selection and type, powder selection and type...etc.
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 07:17:05 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 07, 2011, 07:11:31 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 06:56:59 AM
I dont make it, but reload..yes.
And that means what?
Duck!
Yea and no Wild Turkey when reloading.
Still remember some loads I use, off the top of my head
30-06 winchester case, winchester large rifle primer, 57.5 grains of IMR4350, 180 grain sierra spitzer bullet 2830 fps
.358 Norma Mag; Norma case, Win magnum primer, 76.5 grains IMR4350, 250 grain Speer spitzer for 2750 fps
7x64mm Brennke; Remington case Win large rifle primer, 55 grains IMR 4350, 150 grain Nosler Ballistic tip for 2780 fps. Most accurate rifle I own 1/2 inch groups @ 100 yds if I do my part.
:D
And will not get into Wildcatting
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 04:40:20 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 04:30:26 AM
Sometimes I worry about you.
:lmfao: Why? I try to tell it like it is. I feel it would be a disingenious to your question otherwise.
Chicks love the guns. I dont know why.
Think that I've mentioned this before, but one of my old girlfriends was into weapons an military history. She had her collectors license, so she could buy fully automatic weapons and the like, though she was more into fighting knives than firearms.
:w00t: Did she let you play with them?
Quote from: dps on September 07, 2011, 07:05:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 04:40:20 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 04:30:26 AM
Sometimes I worry about you.
:lmfao: Why? I try to tell it like it is. I feel it would be a disingenious to your question otherwise.
Chicks love the guns. I dont know why.
Think that I've mentioned this before, but one of my old girlfriends was into weapons an military history. She had her collectors license, so she could buy fully automatic weapons and the like, though she was more into fighting knives than firearms.
cool ? :unsure:
Quote from: mongers on September 07, 2011, 09:35:09 PM
Quote from: dps on September 07, 2011, 07:05:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 04:40:20 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 04:30:26 AM
Sometimes I worry about you.
:lmfao: Why? I try to tell it like it is. I feel it would be a disingenious to your question otherwise.
Chicks love the guns. I dont know why.
Think that I've mentioned this before, but one of my old girlfriends was into weapons an military history. She had her collectors license, so she could buy fully automatic weapons and the like, though she was more into fighting knives than firearms.
cool ? :unsure:
Very
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 04:01:01 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 03:56:15 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 03:41:56 AM
Do you guys hide your guns when chicks come around? Or are the chicks you date into this whole manchild thing?
You talkin to me? :huh:
OK, boys then. Same question.
:XD:
Quote from: dps on September 07, 2011, 07:05:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 04:40:20 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 04:30:26 AM
Sometimes I worry about you.
:lmfao: Why? I try to tell it like it is. I feel it would be a disingenious to your question otherwise.
Chicks love the guns. I dont know why.
Think that I've mentioned this before, but one of my old girlfriends was into weapons an military history. She had her collectors license, so she could buy fully automatic weapons and the like, though she was more into fighting knives than firearms.
HOT
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 10:08:15 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 07, 2011, 09:35:09 PM
Quote from: dps on September 07, 2011, 07:05:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 07, 2011, 04:40:20 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 07, 2011, 04:30:26 AM
Sometimes I worry about you.
:lmfao: Why? I try to tell it like it is. I feel it would be a disingenious to your question otherwise.
Chicks love the guns. I dont know why.
Think that I've mentioned this before, but one of my old girlfriends was into weapons an military history. She had her collectors license, so she could buy fully automatic weapons and the like, though she was more into fighting knives than firearms.
cool ? :unsure:
Very
Ice cold ?