I read this article on CNN the other day, and I found a few things interesting about it. The most notable that GWB really didn't care for the gay marriage amendment that he used to get reelected back in 2004. I always felt it was cynical and nasty move to get religious conservatives to the polls who had become lukewarm on Bush but would vote for him anyway if they just happened to be at the voting booth that day. I was a bit surprised that GWB felt the same way about it.
QuoteIf Rick Perry and George W. Bush had been born in the same family, W would have become known to friends as "the smart one."
Perry is not W. That's the simplest statement about the two Texans. But there is subtlety and confusion abounding in the comparison, which is probably best articulated by Dale Berra, former professional baseball player and son of the Yankee great Yogi, who was once asked to compare himself to his famous father. "When it comes to my dad and me," he said, "our similarities are different."
The aesthetics, at least, with Perry and Bush are almost identical. Watch Perry walk. He holds his arms at his sides just like the former president and appears uncertain of what to do with his hands. This is not an altogether bad thing, however, because when his hands get busy signing bills in Texas, poor children lose health care, 100,000 teachers could stand to lose their jobs, and tens of thousands of families stand in line in a scorching summer to get school supplies and fresh fruit and vegetables at a Houston handout. Let us urge the Texas governor to keep his hands idle.
Perry also likes to affect the boots and suits couture that is a part of Texas politics. Bush had a similar style, and even though many Texans viewed him as an East Coast "outlander," he appeared far less the poseur than Perry. In Iowa, the current governor lifted his leg, put his boot on a hay bale and threw his knee back to make sure his boots (or something) were clearly visible to onlookers. In spite of the fact that Perry was raised by cotton growers on the South Plains in West Texas, W effortlessly out-Texans him.
They both, however, have had to work hard at conveying the image. Macho Texas is still seeking psychological counseling trying to reconcile the fact that its two most popular governors in the modern era were cheerleaders. Bush first learned to hold the bullhorn to his mouth at Andover, and Perry, who prefers the term "yell leader," rallied the cadets at Texas A&M. (No one has yet adequately explained how America can elect cheerleaders to the position of national quarterback.)
Politically, though, their similarities could not be more different.
When Bush came to Austin, he held private meetings with each of the 181 state senators and representatives from both parties. He asked them what their legislative agenda included, shared what was on his radar and discussed how they might work together. An astonishing notion, cooperation, but in politics common sense often passes for genius.
Perry, though, was having none of that stinking compromise and kumbaya business. A coalition of hard-right conservatives had taken control of the Legislature, and they weren't interested in a governor who cut deals. But they didn't have to push Perry to the right-hand edge of their flat earth; he bravely led them.
W famously styled his politics with the brand of "compassionate conservatism." Perry's is more like kick-ass conservatism.
Bush might have contemplated reductions in health care for budget cuts and forced up your property taxes with a legislative shell game, but he would have at least felt bad about it. Perry would tell you either not to get sick or make enough money to buy your own damned health care and shut up and pay your property taxes because we need you to underwrite all the tax breaks we give corporations coming to Texas because they are going to make campaign donations.
The essential distinction between these two men is that Bush pushed ideas and policies that he didn't believe in and were politically expedient, but Perry believes the radical ideas driving the tea party movement and thinks compromise is a kind of terminal cancer.
When W was preparing his run for the White House from Texas, Karl Rove was trumpeting the idea of a Defense of Marriage Act, which was a linguistic head fake to ban same-sex marriage. Bush didn't like the idea. A longtime staffer and close policy adviser was gay, and Bush accepted homosexuality as a consequence of biology. When I asked him how he could support such a ban, Bush said quietly, "It's just politics." The Rove tactic was to motivate fundamentalist conservatives, and it worked.
Political strategy for Bush, however, is religious dogma for Perry. A devout fervor informs Perry's resistance to same-sex marriage, as if he had just wandered a desert for 40 years and had been handed the dictate against it on a tablet of stone from a bearded man.
In the GOP primary process, presidential candidates have always been expected to yak about issues that are never relevant in the general election. The people voting in primaries are motivated by principle and passion and extreme conservatism (even though many of them probably go home after voting and watch reruns of "Family Guy" with the curtains closed). These are Perry's people, not Bush's. They made W uncomfortable. They make Perry happy, which is why, when legislators were called back into emergency session to figure out how to cover a $27 billion budget gap and save schools, the first item the Texas governor made them confront was an "emergency" law to make sonograms mandatory for women considering an abortion. (He got around to cutting $4 billion from education, potentially forcing the firing of almost 100,000 teachers a little later in the day, after a brisk jog and lunch.)
Perry thinks of W as a country club Republican, a politician too willing to work out deals. Bush doesn't think of Perry much at all. The people who want Jesus as a screensaver on every computer in public schools, call women who have had abortions "baby killers," think that being a homosexual is a "lifestyle choice," and are convinced that humans once saddled up and rode west on dinosaurs; these people all made Bush uncomfortable. But Perry loves them. He shares many of their beliefs. They helped elect him governor.
And they might just make him president.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-17/opinion/moore.perry.bush_1_texas-governor-health-care-property-taxes?_s=PM:OPINION
CNN chopped this fairly small article up into pieces over three pages. I don't know why, but I hope I haven't left any part out.
Interesting to note about Bush.
Although I'm not sure who is worse, the monster who comes to his monstrous beliefs honestly, or the monster who simply embraces them for the sake of expedience.
Probably the former; at least the latter might be reasoned with.
Damn that article makes Perry sound like an ideologically driven inspirational leader :hmm:
Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on him.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 19, 2011, 04:18:35 AM
Although I'm not sure who is worse, the monster who comes to his monstrous beliefs honestly, or the monster who simply embraces them for the sake of expedience.
But Bush didn't really do anything monstrous.
The deification of W has begun. Scoot over, Reagan.
Reagan didn't look like a monkey.
Eww...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/26/rick-perry-staffer-insurance-scheme_n_938413.html
QuoteThat November, Perry aggressively pushed the Texas teacher pension fund and state teacher associations to sign off on a UBS plan to take out life insurance policies and annuities on retired Texas teachers -- an elaborate scheme in which the state of Texas would serve as a something of a bookie, setting up Wall Street bets on how long those teachers would live.
According to confidential notes obtained by the Huffington Post, the Perry administration had been elaborately briefed on details of the plan and was making a "hard sell" to teacher groups in behind-the-scenes meetings. When the plan leaked to the press in December 2003, however, the Perry camp claimed to have had only tangential involvement after receiving an inquiry from Gramm. The deal soon fell apart.
despiess, Yi and Berkut won't believe that story, sorry.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 27, 2011, 07:32:14 AM
Eww...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/26/rick-perry-staffer-insurance-scheme_n_938413.html
QuoteThat November, Perry aggressively pushed the Texas teacher pension fund and state teacher associations to sign off on a UBS plan to take out life insurance policies and annuities on retired Texas teachers -- an elaborate scheme in which the state of Texas would serve as a something of a bookie, setting up Wall Street bets on how long those teachers would live.
According to confidential notes obtained by the Huffington Post, the Perry administration had been elaborately briefed on details of the plan and was making a "hard sell" to teacher groups in behind-the-scenes meetings. When the plan leaked to the press in December 2003, however, the Perry camp claimed to have had only tangential involvement after receiving an inquiry from Gramm. The deal soon fell apart.
They are your people, man.
I've never voted for anyone like them, and won't start now. If anyone but Romney gets nominated I'll vote Obama.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 27, 2011, 07:51:01 AM
I've never voted for anyone like them, and won't start now. If anyone but Romney gets nominated I'll vote Obama.
Did you vote for McCain or Bush?
I miss W. hehehehehe.
Eh, he's still gonna win.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 27, 2011, 09:38:52 AM
Eh, he's still gonna win.
This reads as a daring prediction that neither Bachman, Palin nor any other potential female candidate wins.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 27, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 27, 2011, 09:38:52 AM
Eh, he's still gonna win.
This reads as a daring prediction that neither Bachman, Palin nor any other potential female candidate wins.
I thought he meant W would win.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 27, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 27, 2011, 09:38:52 AM
Eh, he's still gonna win.
This reads as a daring prediction that neither Bachman, Palin nor any other potential female candidate wins.
I thought he meant W would win.
No, Perry. Unlike Bachmann, he's a governor, and he attracts the right wing base. Bachmann's already fizzling. And Obama's dead IMO if the economy continues to worsen. So...
Quote from: Faeelin on August 27, 2011, 01:12:19 PM
And Obama's dead IMO if the economy continues to worsen. So...
...leave it to the American people to make it worse with another Republican.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 27, 2011, 03:23:59 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 27, 2011, 01:12:19 PM
And Obama's dead IMO if the economy continues to worsen. So...
...leave it to the American people to make it worse with another Republican.
Sounds like Perry has a working relationship with Phil Gramm. You know, the guy who did more then anyone to cause the goddamn mess. The guy who flunked the 3rd the 5th and 9th grade. The Phil Gramm, the man who was McCain Economic adviser.
Didn't our own Yi work for one of his campaigns?
Yup.
How did Gramm cause our problems Raz?
Princesca worked for Phil Gramm's campaign back in '96. :)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2011, 04:09:16 PM
Yup.
How did Gramm cause our problems Raz?
QuoteAs chairman of the Senate Banking Committee from 1995 through 2000, Gramm was Washington's most prominent and outspoken champion of financial deregulation. He played a leading role in writing and pushing through Congress the 1999 repeal of the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial banks from Wall Street. He also inserted a key provision into the 2000 Commodity Futures Modernization Act that exempted over-the-counter derivatives like credit-default swaps from regulation by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Credit-default swaps took down AIG, which has cost the U.S. $150 billion thus far.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877330,00.html #ixzz1WGYVItBU
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877330,00.html
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 03:31:54 PM
Sounds like Perry has a working relationship with Phil Gramm. You know, the guy who did more then anyone to cause the goddamn mess. The guy who flunked the 3rd the 5th and 9th grade. The Phil Gramm, the man who was McCain Economic adviser.
Didn't our own Yi work for one of his campaigns?
:huh: You are an adult living in your parents' basement, and you want to rag on others because they had trouble in the third grade? Especially on a guy with a PhD at age 25 (do you even
have a college degree)?
Post this again when you have a job. Gramm may indeed be a moron (he
was, after all, a Democrat for a long time and his antics as a Senator showed world-class blindness and gullibility), but you calling him out for elementary school stuff is just
pathetic.
Quote from: Caliga on August 27, 2011, 04:12:36 PM
Princesca worked for Phil Gramm's campaign back in '96. :)
Your wife really knows how to pick'em.
Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2011, 04:14:47 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 03:31:54 PM
Sounds like Perry has a working relationship with Phil Gramm. You know, the guy who did more then anyone to cause the goddamn mess. The guy who flunked the 3rd the 5th and 9th grade. The Phil Gramm, the man who was McCain Economic adviser.
Didn't our own Yi work for one of his campaigns?
:huh: You are an adult living in your parents' basement, and you want to rag on others because they had trouble in the third grade? Especially on a guy with a PhD at age 25 (do you even have a college degree)?
Post this again when you have a job. Gramm may indeed be a moron (he was, after all, a Democrat for a long time and his antics as a Senator showed world-class blindness and gullibility), but you calling him out for elementary school stuff is just pathetic.
9th grade isn't elementary school. I also didn't run for President.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 04:14:53 PM
Your wife really knows how to pick'em.
This was back when she was still religious... she'd never support a guy like Gramm now. :)
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 04:16:02 PM
9th grade isn't elementary school. I also didn't run for President.
You can't fail 9th grade. You can fail classes in 9th grade, but you cannot fail the grade.
Did you get a college degree? Or did you flunk out of college (which is a hell of a lot less distinguished than getting a PhD by the age of 25)?
Whether Gramm ran for president of not has no bearing on the applicability of your whining about him failing third grade. I am no fan of the man, but if you are going to bitch about him, bitch about the things that are applicable (like his horrific legislative record, or his support for abhorrent policies, or his cheapfuck rhetoric about how poor people in America aren't really poor, as shown by the fact that they are all fat.
Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2011, 04:23:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 04:16:02 PM
9th grade isn't elementary school. I also didn't run for President.
You can't fail 9th grade. You can fail classes in 9th grade, but you cannot fail the grade.
Did you get a college degree? Or did you flunk out of college (which is a hell of a lot less distinguished than getting a PhD by the age of 25)?
Whether Gramm ran for president of not has no bearing on the applicability of your whining about him failing third grade. I am no fan of the man, but if you are going to bitch about him, bitch about the things that are applicable (like his horrific legislative record, or his support for abhorrent policies, or his cheapfuck rhetoric about how poor people in America aren't really poor, as shown by the fact that they are all fat.
Why is this a nerve with you? I am perplexed.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 04:14:18 PM
As chairman of the Senate Banking Committee from 1995 through 2000, Gramm was Washington's most prominent and outspoken champion of financial deregulation. He played a leading role in writing and pushing through Congress the 1999 repeal of the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial banks from Wall Street. He also inserted a key provision into the 2000 Commodity Futures Modernization Act that exempted over-the-counter derivatives like credit-default swaps from regulation by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Credit-default swaps took down AIG, which has cost the U.S. $150 billion thus far.
As Joan pointed out some time ago, the repeal of Glass-Steagall had zero impact on the financial crisis. There were no commercial banks which were brought down by the shenanigans of their investment banking arms.
Derivatives regulation is a little more complicated. One could hypothesize a situation in which the CFTC were granted power to regulate derivatives and regulated them in a manner so that the subprime bubble was partially mitigated. On the other hand without further information we can't know if the reforms proposed under the 2000 act would have had that affect. For example I'm unaware of any aspect of the most recent financial reform bill which requires the maintenance of reserves against potential pay outs (as is the case with normal insurance).
Surprise, Surprise, Yi defends Gramm.
I'm still a bit bemused by grumbler's reaction. He claimed that my attack on Gramm was pathetic. I wonder if that means Grumbler has viewed me in anyway that is not pathetic. His statement suggests he has, which I find flattering. I've certainly haven't portrayed myself in anyway that isn't pathetic.
Surprise, surprise, Razberry tosses out an argument he got from Moveon then changes the subject when it gets countered.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
Surprise, surprise, Razberry tosses out an argument he got from Moveon then changes the subject when it gets countered.
You know, I've never actually went to that website. Seriously. I got it from Time Magazine. I even had a link. I don't recall changing the subject either. I'm just pondering why Grumbler does things. I don't understand why he does things. Hell, I don't understand why I do things. So trying to guess what Grumbler means is probably fruitless.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 07:55:57 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 27, 2011, 07:51:01 AM
I've never voted for anyone like them, and won't start now. If anyone but Romney gets nominated I'll vote Obama.
Did you vote for McCain or Bush?
You know I did. Neither of them were anywhere near as far to the right as Perry or Bachman.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 06:53:31 PM
You know, I've never actually went to that website. Seriously. I got it from Time Magazine. I even had a link. I don't recall changing the subject either. I'm just pondering why Grumbler does things. I don't understand why he does things. Hell, I don't understand why I do things. So trying to guess what Grumbler means is probably fruitless.
You got the article on the specifics from Time. You got the talking point "Gramm created the financial crisis" from somewhere else.
Meh. There are other people way more responsible for that crap than he is.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2011, 06:59:37 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 06:53:31 PM
You know, I've never actually went to that website. Seriously. I got it from Time Magazine. I even had a link. I don't recall changing the subject either. I'm just pondering why Grumbler does things. I don't understand why he does things. Hell, I don't understand why I do things. So trying to guess what Grumbler means is probably fruitless.
You got the article on the specifics from Time. You got the talking point "Gramm created the financial crisis" from somewhere else.
I did? Where?
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 07:06:23 PM
I did? Where?
My guess would be some Moveon/MSNBC type web site, the one you use to hunt down all the stories about retarded Republicans doing this or that.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2011, 07:37:51 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 07:06:23 PM
I did? Where?
My guess would be some Moveon/MSNBC type web site, the one you use to hunt down all the stories about retarded Republicans doing this or that.
Oh I thought you knew. You seemed to know "from somewhere else". I thought perhaps you knew specifically. Cause I don't. I told you, I don't do that Moveon.org thing. Never have. As for MSNBC, I'm more of a CNN guy myself. Like you know, where I got the article in the OP. Honest to God.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 04:50:02 PM
Why is this a nerve with you? I am perplexed.
I am perplexed as to why you dodge a simple question: did you graduate from college, or not?
Surely if Somebody's third-grade performance fifty years is worthy of comment, your adult academic performance of the last decade is, as well.
Yet you keep dodging the issue. Why?
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 06:22:38 PM
I'm still a bit bemused by grumbler's reaction. He claimed that my attack on Gramm was pathetic.
Re-read my comment. You are missing the point.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2011, 06:59:37 PM
You got the article on the specifics from Time. You got the talking point "Gramm created the financial crisis" from somewhere else.
Probably the place where he got the "Gramm flunked three grades" from. Basic math tells you that's bullshit, because Gramm graduated from high school at age 18 (a late 18, because he
did flunk third grade). But math/logic stuffs have never been Raz's strong points. Gullibility and credulity are his strong points.
Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2011, 09:12:19 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 04:50:02 PM
Why is this a nerve with you? I am perplexed.
I am perplexed as to why you dodge a simple question: did you graduate from college, or not?
Surely if Somebody's third-grade performance fifty years is worthy of comment, your adult academic performance of the last decade is, as well.
Yet you keep dodging the issue. Why?
Nope. What's it to you, sailor? Do I have to walk a mile in a man's shoes before I criticize him?
Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2011, 09:14:15 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 06:22:38 PM
I'm still a bit bemused by grumbler's reaction. He claimed that my attack on Gramm was pathetic.
Re-read my comment. You are missing the point.
Spell it out for me, since you know, math/logic ain't my strong points.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: grumbler on August 27, 2011, 09:12:19 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 27, 2011, 04:50:02 PM
Why is this a nerve with you? I am perplexed.
I am perplexed as to why you dodge a simple question: did you graduate from college, or not?
Surely if Somebody's third-grade performance fifty years is worthy of comment, your adult academic performance of the last decade is, as well.
Yet you keep dodging the issue. Why?
Nope. What's it to you, sailor? Do I have to walk a mile in a man's shoes before I criticize him?
It should be easy to get Gramm's shoes. Tell him to bundle them with some cheap Walmart sneakers.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 27, 2011, 04:51:42 PM
As Joan pointed out some time ago, the repeal of Glass-Steagall had zero impact on the financial crisis.
:bleeding:
Quote from: Faeelin on August 27, 2011, 01:12:19 PM
No, Perry. Unlike Bachmann, he's a governor, and he attracts the right wing base. Bachmann's already fizzling. And Obama's dead IMO if the economy continues to worsen. So...
Fuck dude he is a TEXAS GOVERNOR. A figurehead. And he sucks as a figurehead. What the fuck is wrong with people? I swear it is general knowledge the Texas governor has little power but it seems like nobody cares about that simple fact.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2011, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 27, 2011, 01:12:19 PM
No, Perry. Unlike Bachmann, he's a governor, and he attracts the right wing base. Bachmann's already fizzling. And Obama's dead IMO if the economy continues to worsen. So...
Fuck dude he is a TEXAS GOVERNOR. A figurehead. And he sucks as a figurehead. What the fuck is wrong with people? I swear it is general knowledge the Texas governor has little power but it seems like nobody cares about that simple fact.
Nobody cared in 2000, why should anyone care now?
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 27, 2011, 10:06:39 PM
Nobody cared in 2000, why should anyone care now?
Well as I said at least Bush was a really good Texas Governor. I thought maybe surrounded by his dad's peeps he would make a good figurehead president.
But really if who the Republicans want to be President are worthless people, they could do worse than continually nominate Texas Governors.
At least the Democrats were not that idiotic when most of the Texas Governors were Dems.
What we really need to do is make the Texas Governor do more governing if it going to be new vetting office for Presidents. I will tell my state rep to get on that.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2011, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 27, 2011, 01:12:19 PM
No, Perry. Unlike Bachmann, he's a governor, and he attracts the right wing base. Bachmann's already fizzling. And Obama's dead IMO if the economy continues to worsen. So...
Fuck dude he is a TEXAS GOVERNOR. A figurehead. And he sucks as a figurehead. What the fuck is wrong with people? I swear it is general knowledge the Texas governor has little power but it seems like nobody cares about that simple fact.
I didn't know that.
Did you know magistrates are appointed by the governor with the advice and consent of the legislature in South Carolina? That's a simple fact too, but you probably didn't know it. Other than that you
have a governor, I know little about the gubernatorial office of Texas.
Sometimes there's not much you can say.
Quote from: Zoupa on August 27, 2011, 11:17:06 PM
Sometimes there's not much you can say.
That happens with you quite a bit actually.
I'm hurt, Berkypoo.
Quote from: Zoupa on August 27, 2011, 11:17:06 PM
Sometimes there's not much you can say.
The Jon Stewart method.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 28, 2011, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on August 27, 2011, 11:17:06 PM
Sometimes there's not much you can say.
The Jon Stewart method.
It's hard to convey an atmosphere, a context, a vibe, a feeling in words. De plus, en anglais, faut pas trop m'en demander Elvis.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2011, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 27, 2011, 01:12:19 PM
No, Perry. Unlike Bachmann, he's a governor, and he attracts the right wing base. Bachmann's already fizzling. And Obama's dead IMO if the economy continues to worsen. So...
Fuck dude he is a TEXAS GOVERNOR. A figurehead. And he sucks as a figurehead. What the fuck is wrong with people? I swear it is general knowledge the Texas governor has little power but it seems like nobody cares about that simple fact.
As others pointed out, so what? It didn't stop how people viewed Bush... and I don't think you would claim Perry hasn't gotten a lot of legislation he wanted passed, no?
Frankly, I'll be VERY disappointed if the GOP takes Perry as it's candidate. :yuk:
I'm not feeling it, he reminds me of Fred Thompson, with a little more energy.
But I'm not feeling Romney is going to happen?? The party seems in an uber-right mood.
Go Huntsman! (not going to happen...but I can dream)
If not Perry or Romney, then who would it be? Bachmann is too busy embarrassing herself. Ron Paul is a pretty effective primary campaigner, but he can't break through the barrier into the broader party. The whole GOP seems to be pissed at Gingrich. Nobody else has polled significant enough numbers. It would have to be a late entry, but I don't think that's going to happen. The choices available are what we'll see, IMO.
If Caribou Barbie tossed her furry hat with ear flaps into the ring she'd be an instant contender.
I still think it's gonna be Mitt.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2011, 06:32:55 PM
That makes her even hotter.
I can't claim credit. Either Fate or Foeiileean introduced it here.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 29, 2011, 06:36:06 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2011, 06:32:55 PM
That makes her even hotter.
I can't claim credit. Either Fate or Foeiileean introduced it here.
I'm guessing Faelin. Fate's idea of high comedy is to read off what MoveOn thinks that the Republican talking points are.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 29, 2011, 05:35:09 PM
If not Perry or Romney, then who would it be? Bachmann is too busy embarrassing herself. Ron Paul is a pretty effective primary campaigner, but he can't break through the barrier into the broader party. The whole GOP seems to be pissed at Gingrich. Nobody else has polled significant enough numbers. It would have to be a late entry, but I don't think that's going to happen. The choices available are what we'll see, IMO.
I agree one of those two will take the nomination. I'm hoping for Romney, oh wait, what!?! :huh:
Perry would be to Obama what Kerry was to Bush.
A candidate too far out to the extreme for most americans to vote for.
I really hope Romney gets to run, otherwise we would have another 4 years of Obama mismangement of the economy.
I think I have ever seen a president more clueless about the economy.
He is just like a fucking muslim blaming everything on outside factors.
Quote from: Habsburg on August 29, 2011, 04:01:34 PM
Frankly, I'll be VERY disappointed if the GOP takes Perry as it's candidate. :yuk:
I'm not feeling it, he reminds me of Fred Thompson, with a little more energy.
I wish he reminded me of Fred Thompson. I mean, I like Perry okay, but he's no Fred Thompson.
QuoteBut I'm not feeling Romney is going to happen?? The party seems in an uber-right mood.
My money is still on Romney. Perry is the new guy & just like Bachmann with her run, I don't think he'll sustain the level of enthusiasm for him. And the party tends to go uber-right for pretty much any primary season in recent history.
QuoteGo Huntsman! (not going to happen...but I can dream)
:bleeding: I'm not a huge fan of the term 'RINO' & think it gets way, way overused, but Huntsman fits that description all too well. And he's a collossal wuss who would be completely destroyed in the general election. He's probably the one guy in the field who would make me seriously consider voting for a 3rd party candidate.
I'm about evenly split between Romney & Perry at this point. Romney may win me back if he shows more feistiness like this: http://indianolarecordherald.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/1105912049001/Romney-hecklers-exchange-words-at-Iowa-State-Fair
And Perry may sway me to his side if he seems likely to get Rudy as his running mate.
Given the ideological poison that seems to have infected the party, a RINO is just what the Republicans need to lead them out of the dark.
Obama would wipe the floor with Romney in the debates.
I don't see him not getting re-elected.
Quote from: Siege on August 29, 2011, 09:25:57 PM
He is just like a fucking muslim blaming everything on outside factors.
The "Muslim" would blame everything on a inside conspiracy, as opposed to doing looking at economic fundamentals, aka "outside factors" like real economists do.
Quote from: Siege on August 29, 2011, 09:25:57 PM
Perry would be to Obama what Kerry was to Bush.
A candidate too far out to the extreme for most americans to vote for.
I really hope Romney gets to run, otherwise we would have another 4 years of Obama mismangement of the economy.
I think I have ever seen a president more clueless about the economy.
He is just like a fucking muslim blaming everything on outside factors.
You mean like the Tea Party?
Quote from: Neil on August 29, 2011, 09:50:33 PM
Given the ideological poison that seems to have infected the party, a RINO is just what the Republicans need to lead them out of the dark.
Danke.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 30, 2011, 06:10:56 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 29, 2011, 09:25:57 PM
He is just like a fucking muslim blaming everything on outside factors.
The "Muslim" would blame everything on a inside conspiracy, as opposed to doing looking at economic fundamentals, aka "outside factors" like real economists do.
But, you told me to vote for Romney!
I wish Christine Lagarde could run for POTUS. :(
Quote from: Habsburg on September 04, 2011, 08:32:49 PM
I wish Christine Lagarde could run for POTUS. :(
She's unelectable, for obvious reasons.
Quote from: Siege on September 01, 2011, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 30, 2011, 06:10:56 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 29, 2011, 09:25:57 PM
He is just like a fucking muslim blaming everything on outside factors.
The "Muslim" would blame everything on a inside conspiracy, as opposed to doing looking at economic fundamentals, aka "outside factors" like real economists do.
But, you told me to vote for Romney!
Real Jews vote for the party who's President recognized Israel within a half hour of it being formed. I think it was the first nation to do so.
Quote from: Razgovory on September 04, 2011, 09:28:53 PM
Real Jews vote for the party who's President recognized Israel within a half hour of it being formed. I think it was the first nation to do so.
Parties have presidents? I thought they had chairmen?