First, Schroeder sucking Gazprom's cock and making deals with former Stasi agents.
Now, the first female Chancellor and the first gay minister selling tanks to the Saudis.
Fuck you. You made a huge show of being pro-democracy and pro-human rights when Americans started a perhaps misguided, but ultimately just attempt to topple Saddam, but you are willing to compromise all your principles to earn some buck.
Disgusting.
:unsure:
I don't see the problem here.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2011, 03:06:59 PM
:unsure:
I don't see the problem here.
Marti feels the need to sound indignant, and to say "fuck you!" to people he doesn't know anything about. Why
would that be a problem? It's a daily occurrence.
Quote from: Martinus on July 04, 2011, 02:58:47 PM
First, Schroeder sucking Gazprom's cock and making deals with former Stasi agents.
Now, the first female Chancellor and the first gay minister selling tanks to the Saudis.
Well, they can't sell Leopards II only to Greece and Turkey. Arms races can get you only far.
:smarty:
With Saddam no longer in Iraq, and revolutions brewing across the middle east, arms sales to Saudi Arabia are looking a lot more dodgy than before.
Yeah, Marty's post is not completely without merit.
(Hey Marty, I could use a new AC unit.)
Why does the Pole hate the Germans?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 04, 2011, 04:10:38 PM
Yeah, Marty's post is not completely without merit.
(Hey Marty, I could use a new AC unit.)
:lol:
A homo selling the Saudis tanks that they will use to roll over convicted homosexuals? I love it!
We made a huge show of being pro-democracy and pro-human rights in the context of the Iraq War? What do you refer to?
Marty has a thing for Germans. I think it comes from the traditional interaction between Germans and Pole via feet. Typically either bootlicking by the Pole or being kicked in the face by the German. I think Marty interprets this in a sexual context.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 04, 2011, 03:53:32 PM
With Saddam no longer in Iraq, and revolutions brewing across the middle east, arms sales to Saudi Arabia are looking a lot more dodgy than before.
They're still locked in a regional cold war with Iran.
Quote from: Maximus on July 04, 2011, 07:09:50 PM
They're still locked in a regional cold war with Iran.
This.
See, the problem is that unlike the real Cold War, both sides of this one are evil. And we have to back the Saudis because of their oil.
Poles - permo-victims?
The Poles are the Jews of Europe. Only, in general, less business savvy.
I find Mart's threads strangely homoerratic.
Quote from: Maximus on July 04, 2011, 07:09:50 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 04, 2011, 03:53:32 PM
With Saddam no longer in Iraq, and revolutions brewing across the middle east, arms sales to Saudi Arabia are looking a lot more dodgy than before.
They're still locked in a regional cold war with Iran.
That is true, but they don't have a land border with Iran. In the event there is a ground war involving Iran attacking Saudi Arabia either amphibiously or through another country, I would think the US would be in position to stymie the attack (if we are on their side--in 10-15 years who knows how things will have changed).
Quote from: alfred russel on July 05, 2011, 06:37:41 AM
That is true, but they don't have a land border with Iran. In the event there is a ground war involving Iran attacking Saudi Arabia either amphibiously or through another country, I would think the US would be in position to stymie the attack (if we are on their side--in 10-15 years who knows how things will have changed).
That's no problem. I am sure we can sell them ships, jets and missles too. :P
But they need those tanks to
roll over Bahraini democratic protestors fight evil terrorists.
We need to find new markets now that our best weapons customer, Greeece, is bankrupt. I fully expect that Angie will soon start lobbying in the EU to lift the arms embargo on China.
Quote from: Martinus on July 04, 2011, 02:58:47 PM
Now, the first female Chancellor and the first gay minister selling tanks to the Saudis.
Why single out the Germans? Everyone's selling military hardware to the Saudis, they're the only country still buying big. After Eritrea, which is a statistical anomaly, Saudi Arabia spends the most on arms per capita in the world, followed by Oman, the UAE and Israel. Arms exports are the only thing keeping European arms manufacturers, and industry in general, ticking over.
Virulently anti-semitic and homophobic supremacists equipped with the best german made panzers. How can that possibly go wrong.
Well they are going to buy them somewhere. Might as well be from the Germans.
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2011, 08:45:51 AM
Well they are going to buy them somewhere. Might as well be from the Germans.
It is a smart purchase. You know the Germans always make good stuff.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 05, 2011, 09:41:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2011, 08:45:51 AM
Well they are going to buy them somewhere. Might as well be from the Germans.
It is a smart purchase. You know the Germans always make good stuff.
Their cars are pretty crap.
Quote from: Neil on July 05, 2011, 10:16:43 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 05, 2011, 09:41:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2011, 08:45:51 AM
Well they are going to buy them somewhere. Might as well be from the Germans.
It is a smart purchase. You know the Germans always make good stuff.
Their cars are pretty crap.
Is this because in Alberta if it isn't an F150 or a Silverado it is crap?
They are simple people, they don't know how to take care of refined equipment. German cars need to be maintained, you need to periodically change their oil, engine, and transmission, if you want them to keep runnig.
Quote from: DGuller on July 05, 2011, 10:27:28 AM
They are simple people, they don't know how to take care of refined equipment. German cars need to be maintained, you need to periodically change their oil, engine, and transmission, if you want them to keep runnig.
:lol: Yeah, that was my experience, as well, with two Volkswagens. Didn't have many transmission problems, but I might have just been lucky.
As I seem to have mini hijacked the thread with the statement, "You know the Germans always make good stuff," I want to mention that I was quoting the sham wow guy.
Quote from: DGuller on July 05, 2011, 10:27:28 AM
you need to periodically change their oil, engine, and transmission, if you want them to keep runnig.
And I thought my old dodge caravan was bad. Never actually had to change the engine or the transmission - sold it for scrap before it came to that.
Quote from: Viking on July 05, 2011, 08:34:33 AM
Virulently anti-semitic and homophobic supremacists equipped with the best german made panzers. How can that possibly go wrong.
Well, it's likely the tanks sold are export versions and not the best. If the Saudi Army is anything like other Arab armies, their crews won't be fully trained on the equipment either.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 05, 2011, 10:22:09 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 05, 2011, 10:16:43 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 05, 2011, 09:41:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2011, 08:45:51 AM
Well they are going to buy them somewhere. Might as well be from the Germans.
It is a smart purchase. You know the Germans always make good stuff.
Their cars are pretty crap.
Is this because in Alberta if it isn't an F150 or a Silverado it is crap?
Not really. Myself, I prefer cars to trucks, although the extremes in temperature often result in some rough roads in the cities. The problem is that German cars simply aren't as good as Fords or Nissans and you pay a premium for them, as well as for maintenance.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 05, 2011, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 05, 2011, 08:34:33 AM
Virulently anti-semitic and homophobic supremacists equipped with the best german made panzers. How can that possibly go wrong.
Well, it's likely the tanks sold are export versions and not the best. If the Saudi Army is anything like other Arab armies, their crews won't be fully trained on the equipment either.
Yeah, Arabs never get a premium account.
Saudi Arabia is still in talks with Russia about the T-90S, and previously they were dealing with the US.
It seems that their purchases are dictated by political interests (rewarding countries who cooperate with them), and not by military concerns.
If you are an arms importer you want to diversify the weapons you get. You don't want to go to war and find your main supplier doesn't approve and has decided to stop selling spare parts. The Iranians had this problem in the 1980's.
Quote from: DGuller on July 05, 2011, 10:27:28 AM
They are simple people, they don't know how to take care of refined equipment. German cars need to be maintained, you need to periodically change their oil, engine, and transmission, if you want them to keep runnig.
The Saudis hire Philipinos or Bengalis or the like to do stuff like that for them.
Which doesn't mean that the people they hire necessarily really know what they're doing either.