Since when did Rabbis believe in reincarnation?
Secondly, even if it was the reincarnation of that guy this is an unbelievably petty judgement.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110617/od_afp/israeltrialreligionanimalsoffbeat_20110617180031
QuoteJERUSALEM (AFP) – A Jerusalem rabbinical court condemned to death by stoning a dog it suspects is the reincarnation of a secular lawyer who insulted the court's judges 20 years ago, Ynet website reported Friday.
According to Ynet, the large dog made its way into the Monetary Affairs Court in the ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighbourhood of Mea Shearim in Jerusalem, frightening judges and plaintiffs.
Despite attempts to drive the dog out of the court, the hound refused to leave the premises.
One of the sitting judges then recalled a curse the court had passed down upon a secular lawyer who had insulted the judges two decades previously.
Their preferred divine retribution was for the lawyer's spirit to move into the body of a dog, an animal considered impure by traditional Judaism.
Clearly still offended, one of the judges sentenced the animal to death by stoning by local children.
The canine target, however, managed to escape.
"Let the Animals Live", an animal-welfare organisation filed a complaint with the police against the head of the court, Rabbi Avraham Dov Levin, who denied that the judges had called for the dog's stoning, Ynet reported.
One of the court's managers, however, confirmed the report of the lapidation sentence to Israeli daily Yediot Aharonot.
"It was ordered... as an appropriate way to 'get back at' the spirit which entered the poor dog," the paper reported the manager as saying, according to Ynet.
Certain schools of thought within Judaism believe in the transmigration of souls, or reincarnation.
Marty's future. :P
Besides the fact that the rabbis in question are nut jobs, the article you quoted answers your question on reincarnation.
These guys are Siegebreaker's people.
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 17, 2011, 10:32:09 PM
Besides the fact that the rabbis in question are nut jobs, the article you quoted answers your question on reincarnation.
"certain schools of thought" is rather vague.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 17, 2011, 10:42:02 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 17, 2011, 10:32:09 PM
Besides the fact that the rabbis in question are nut jobs, the article you quoted answers your question on reincarnation.
"certain schools of thought" is rather vague.
Being that the article specifically refers to specific people at a specific location from what apparently must be of a "certain school of thought" (and seem to be Jewish, of a sort, as well) that believe this dude was reincarnated as a dog, I'd say it's not rather vague at all.
Why do I hate religion? Well, duh....
Yes, these people are perfectly fine. They are just like us. Nothing to see here.
Countdown for Joan Robinson to come and tell us why stoning a dog to death is no worse than taking it out for a walk, as a dog can run away and get run over by a bus while on a walk, and someone stoning a dog may miss.
10...9...8...
He has enough useful idiots here that he doesn't have to do it himself. :hmm:
I wonder if considering these people Jewish is a bit like considering Mormons Christian. Reincarnation, eh.
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 03:32:45 AM
Countdown for Joan Robinson to come and tell us why stoning a dog to death is no worse than taking it out for a walk, as a dog can run away and get run over by a bus while on a walk, and someone stoning a dog may miss.
10...9...8...
<joan>Ninja Rabbi stoning is just as nice as Bill Maher stoning</joan>
He doesn't normally post on weekends. And no, I'm not going to defend the guy, even though he's really more my type of person. You know, a crazy person.
Personally I dont see anything crazier about this than "We have to slowly bleed animals to death because a Sky Fairy told us so 1500 years ago."
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 05:07:41 AM
Personally I dont see anything crazier about this than "We have to slowly bleed animals to death because a Sky Fairy told us so 1500 years ago."
That's okay, I don't see any difference between rabid atheists like you, and the rabid atheists that ran your country 30 years ago. Except the older ones were smarter.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 18, 2011, 05:59:11 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 05:07:41 AM
Personally I dont see anything crazier about this than "We have to slowly bleed animals to death because a Sky Fairy told us so 1500 years ago."
That's okay, I don't see any difference between rabid atheists like you, and the rabid atheists that ran your country 30 years ago. Except the older ones were smarter.
YUO FAIL as most of the Polish "communists" were Catholic and let the Catholic church exist in a pretty comfy arrangement (usually only going after those priests who interfered with politics).
I meant the Russians.
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 05:07:41 AM
Personally I dont see anything crazier about this than "We have to slowly bleed animals to death because a Sky Fairy told us so 1500 years ago."
:lol: You just don't get it, do you? I wonder if you can get it, and just willfully remain ignorant so that you don't get it, or whether you cannot get it at all.
I suspect the latter.
Every animal in a slaughterhouse is bled to death. That isn't controversial. No one claims that even atheist butcher bleed animals to death "because a Sky Fairy told us so 1500 years ago." Pretty much everyone who isn't a moron understands that animals are bled to death in slaughterhouses because that is the practical way to ill them.
Personally, I think it is hilarious to watch all the bigots jump on this story like it was true, and draw conclusions from it. Only a moron would believe this on the basis of the facts and sources presented. This story started on an internet forum. Even Ynet tacitly concedes that the actual story is that the judges asked local children to drive away the dog (considered, as noted, bad luck) and that the kids threw stones at the dog, which ran off. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4082843,00.html
I wonder why hatred makes people here
so stupid?
Quote from: Viking on June 18, 2011, 03:26:30 AM
Why do I hate religion? Well, duh....
:lol:
Does religion turn humans into morons or must they be morons to begin with?
G.
Quote from: grumbler on June 18, 2011, 10:32:28 AM
I wonder why hatred makes people here so stupid?
I suspect Marty would be stupid if he wasn't a bigot. He is the only person on this board that I feel with confidence that I am indeed smarter then.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 18, 2011, 11:15:53 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 18, 2011, 10:32:28 AM
I wonder why hatred makes people here so stupid?
I suspect Marty would be stupid if he wasn't a bigot. He is the only person on this board that I feel with confidence that I am indeed smarter then.
Then what?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 17, 2011, 10:42:02 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on June 17, 2011, 10:32:09 PM
Besides the fact that the rabbis in question are nut jobs, the article you quoted answers your question on reincarnation.
"certain schools of thought" is rather vague.
Reincarnation, while a heterodox notion in most theologies, has gotten pretty decent representation as a spiritual belief within the Abrahamic tradition.
Of course, people who take it this seriously are fucking insane.
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 11:53:45 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 18, 2011, 11:15:53 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 18, 2011, 10:32:28 AM
I wonder why hatred makes people here so stupid?
I suspect Marty would be stupid if he wasn't a bigot. He is the only person on this board that I feel with confidence that I am indeed smarter then.
Then what?
If you were smarter then me you'd figure it out. Siege could.
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 03:32:45 AM
Countdown for Joan Robinson to come and tell us why stoning a dog to death is no worse than taking it out for a walk, as a dog can run away and get run over by a bus while on a walk, and someone stoning a dog may miss.
10...9...8...
Sorry to disappoint, but I refuse to condone the stoning of reincarnated secular Jewish lawyers under any circumstances.
Quote from: Slargos on June 18, 2011, 03:52:23 AM
He has enough useful idiots here that he doesn't have to do it himself. :hmm:
Learn to be useful and then you can join the club!
Harsh! :XD:
You know, I expected a "lawyers deserve it" joke by now.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 18, 2011, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 03:32:45 AM
Countdown for Joan Robinson to come and tell us why stoning a dog to death is no worse than taking it out for a walk, as a dog can run away and get run over by a bus while on a walk, and someone stoning a dog may miss.
10...9...8...
Sorry to disappoint, but I refuse to condone the stoning of reincarnated secular Jewish lawyers under any circumstances.
That's just covering your own ass. For when you return as the only Westie Terrier ever witnessed issuing a writ of replevin.
Can't they just find the dog guilty with a suspended sentence? That way, everybody wins.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 18, 2011, 10:47:06 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 18, 2011, 03:52:23 AM
He has enough useful idiots here that he doesn't have to do it himself. :hmm:
Learn to be useful and then you can join the club!
:D
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2011, 03:29:53 AM
Yes, these people are perfectly fine. They are just like us. Nothing to see here.
:bleeding:
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2011, 10:36:32 PM
These guys are Siegebreaker's people.
No they are not.
Only the craziest among the Haredim believe in reincarnation.
My people are not even sure, or agree, about life after death of any sort.
Reincarnation is certainly a non-jewish influence, and thus a sin to believe in it.
Moshe did not mention anything about life after death, therefore, in my eyes, there nothing after you buy the farm.
Moshe didn't say anything about magical Jew-powers either.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 18, 2011, 10:47:06 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 18, 2011, 03:52:23 AM
He has enough useful idiots here that he doesn't have to do it himself. :hmm:
Learn to be useful and then you can join the club!
:face:
Quote from: Siege on June 19, 2011, 12:44:09 AM
Moshe did not mention anything about life after death, therefore, in my eyes, there nothing after you buy the farm.
Actually, he said quite a bit about it, but it either didn't get written down, or the writings were lost.
Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack. :contract:
Quote from: Neil on June 19, 2011, 10:18:29 AM
Moshe didn't say anything about magical Jew-powers either.
Yes he did.
You can look it up in Deuteronomy 28, according to westernessi reckoning of the books.
For us that book is called Devarim, and the parshah containing chapter 28 is called Ki Tavo.
Sounds like anime. Is it anime?
Quote from: Siege on June 19, 2011, 02:05:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 19, 2011, 10:18:29 AM
Moshe didn't say anything about magical Jew-powers either.
Yes he did.
You can look it up in Deuteronomy 28, according to westernessi reckoning of the books.
For us that book is called Devarim, and the parshah containing chapter 28 is called Ki Tavo.
That's got nothing to do with your reputed powers, and in any event was disproved by the utter destruction of Israel.
Quote from: Neil on June 19, 2011, 02:22:13 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 19, 2011, 02:05:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 19, 2011, 10:18:29 AM
Moshe didn't say anything about magical Jew-powers either.
Yes he did.
You can look it up in Deuteronomy 28, according to westernessi reckoning of the books.
For us that book is called Devarim, and the parshah containing chapter 28 is called Ki Tavo.
That's got nothing to do with your reputed powers, and in any event was disproved by the utter destruction of Israel.
You playing a retard, right?
As you perfectly know, jewish superpowers are conditional, depending if you observe the Torah or not.
The fall of the Kingdom was because Israel abandoned the Torah.
Do not confuse the responsabilities as individual with the responsabilities as a nation.
As an individual we have to observe the Torah, but if as a nation we don't, then we go into exile.
In exile, your personal observance decides whether you survive, thrive, or die victim of the Holocaust or such.
Judaism its very simple at its core.
So you are saying the Nazis were the implement of the Lord in weeding out the unobservant? :hmm:
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 02:43:03 PM
So you are saying the Nazis were the implement of the Lord in weeding out the unobservant? :hmm:
The irony was that the opposite was true. It was the most observant Jews, barbarians living in barbarian Eastern Europe, that were the most easily destroyed.
Quote from: Siege on June 19, 2011, 02:37:11 PM
As an individual we have to observe the Torah, but if as a nation we don't, then we go into exile.
In exile, your personal observance decides whether you survive, thrive, or die victim of the Holocaust or such.
That's just silly. The survival of Israel and the Jews has nothing to do with any actions they might take, and everything to do with outside forces. Israel is far too weak to stand on its own, and the Jews are forever a minority outside (and perhaps even within) Israel.
Now, see, if you could just do the right thing and move all of the Jews in the world to Israel, you would win a double victory: The population would be large enough to build a solid defense against the Arabs, and after a quick expansion war you could seize lucrative real-estate like Suez. In addition, Europeans would be glad to support you if you get the hell out of Europe, especially if you make it a condition of your move.
Everybody wins.
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 03:00:57 PM
Now, see, if you could just do the right thing and move all of the Jews in the world to Israel, you would win a double victory: The population would be large enough to build a solid defense against the Arabs, and after a quick expansion war you could seize lucrative real-estate like Suez. In addition, Europeans would be glad to support you if you get the hell out of Europe, especially if you make it a condition of your move.
Everybody wins.
That's a lie and you know it. The Euros would still thirst for the destruction of the Jews, probably even moreso if they were all in Israel. Moreover, without a large Jewish vote to influence the US, Israel would soon be destroyed.
I would win, and it's all that matters. :sleep:
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 03:07:41 PM
I would win, and it's all that matters. :sleep:
Would you really? The Arabs, with the invaders swept out of the Middle East, would be free to concentrate on moving their populations to Europe, especially the foolish, overgenerous Swedes. Your people would be swept away.
Quote from: Neil on June 19, 2011, 03:41:52 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 03:07:41 PM
I would win, and it's all that matters. :sleep:
Would you really? The Arabs, with the invaders swept out of the Middle East, would be free to concentrate on moving their populations to Europe, especially the foolish, overgenerous Swedes. Your people would be swept away.
This is inevitable. The barbarians always win, on account of their superior breeding ability and lack of individual value. Every time a million dollar bomb is dropped on a sheep herder, they win a little bit more.
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 03:00:57 PM
Now, see, if you could just do the right thing and move all of the Jews in the world to Israel, you would win a double victory: The population would be large enough to build a solid defense against the Arabs, and after a quick expansion war you could seize lucrative real-estate like Suez. In addition, Europeans would be glad to support you if you get the hell out of Europe, especially if you make it a condition of your move.
Everybody wins.
That's completely retarded. The secularized, modern Jews living in the West are among the best representatives of the Western, liberal society - they are a great ally against Catholics, Muslims and Nazis. It's the backward, Arab-like Orthodox Jews in Israel that are idiotic.
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 03:54:25 PM
This is inevitable. The barbarians always win, on account of their superior breeding ability and lack of individual value. Every time a million dollar bomb is dropped on a sheep herder, they win a little bit more.
Typical US bombs only cost a few thousand dollars. Even those Hellfire missiles that they launch out of drones are only something like $70-75,000.
Cruise missiles come in at roughly 800k a pop, and they're being used like polish whores. :hmm:
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 04:21:33 PM
Cruise missiles come in at roughly 800k a pop, and they're being used like polish whores. :hmm:
I was under the impression that cruise missile use had gone way down in recent years, as it really isn't cost effective, what with all the drones and gunships they have in place.
Quote from: Neil on June 19, 2011, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 04:21:33 PM
Cruise missiles come in at roughly 800k a pop, and they're being used like polish whores. :hmm:
I was under the impression that cruise missile use had gone way down in recent years, as it really isn't cost effective, what with all the drones and gunships they have in place.
Didn't they burn through a whole lot of them recently in Libya?
Edit: Ah yes, but they were used to take out AA so I guess there's a point there.
Quote from: Neil on June 19, 2011, 02:49:33 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 02:43:03 PM
So you are saying the Nazis were the implement of the Lord in weeding out the unobservant? :hmm:
The irony was that the opposite was true. It was the most observant Jews, barbarians living in barbarian Eastern Europe, that were the most easily destroyed.
Observant of crazy ultraorthodox bullshit.
I got no love for the haredim.
They are holding us down.
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 02:43:03 PM
So you are saying the Nazis were the implement of the Lord in weeding out the unobservant? :hmm:
Have you ever read the Torah?
It says clearly that all the enemies of Israel are instruments.
However that does not make them innocent of their crimes.
That's why we fight them wherever, whenever, whether nazi, muslim or communist.
They become an instrument against us because they are evil already.
They succed against us because of our sins.
Do not confuse these two things. They ain't the same.
Fair enough. It seems counter-intuitive, though, that a single Creator deity would hand-pick one tribe to play favourite with and damn all the others. Perhaps just to fuck with us, in a great game of Sims. :hmm:
Quote from: Slargos on June 19, 2011, 05:17:58 PM
Fair enough. It seems counter-intuitive, though, that a single Creator deity would hand-pick one tribe to play favourite with and damn all the others. Perhaps just to fuck with us, in a great game of Sims. :hmm:
Where do you get the "damn all the others"?
If anything, being non-jewish is a bonus.
You don't get judged as severely as we do, since your forefathers never made a covenant.
The jewish experience is one of extremes. You can be very succesful or get pogromed.
I would never change the fact that I am jew, and the hard won advantages I got with it, but I do recognize that being non-jewish is far easier and far less demanding. You go through life in bliss ignorance of the forces that shape this world and enjoy without consequences many things that have been forbidden to us.
When it come down to it, it really sucks to be jewish.
The problem is, you cannot stop being one.
If you just quit, you get rolled over by the enemies of Eretz, one way or another.
Quote from: Siege on June 19, 2011, 05:06:30 PM
Observant of crazy ultraorthodox bullshit.
I got no love for the haredim.
They are holding us down.
Observant Jews in general are holding the Jewish people back. Or at least they would be, if the Jewish people did anything as an entity.
Nice story on how it spread so quickly (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0621/Did-a-Jerusalem-court-really-sentence-a-dog-to-death-by-stoning)
Quote from: viper37 on June 23, 2011, 09:10:10 PM
Nice story on how it spread so quickly (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0621/Did-a-Jerusalem-court-really-sentence-a-dog-to-death-by-stoning)
CSM is only three days later than me with this story. They are getting good! :cool: