QuoteJackie Chan: Chinese people need to be controlled
By WILLIAM FOREMAN, Associated Press Writer William Foreman, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 10 mins ago
BOAO, China – Action star Jackie Chan said Saturday he's not sure if a free society is a good thing for China and that he's starting to think "we Chinese need to be controlled."
Chan's comments drew applause from a predominantly Chinese audience of business leaders in China's southern island province of Hainan.
The 55-year-old Hong Kong actor was participating in a panel at the annual Boao Forum when he was asked to discuss censorship and restrictions on filmmakers in China. He expanded his comments to include society.
"I'm not sure if it's good to have freedom or not," Chan said. "I'm really confused now. If you're too free, you're like the way Hong Kong is now. It's very chaotic. Taiwan is also chaotic."
Chan added: "I'm gradually beginning to feel that we Chinese need to be controlled. If we're not being controlled, we'll just do what we want."
The kung fu star has not been a vocal supporter of the pro-democracy movement in his hometown of Hong Kong. Since the former British colony returned to Chinese rule in 1997, voters have not been allowed to directly elect their leader. Several massive street protests have been held to demand full democracy, but Beijing has repeatedly said Hong Kong isn't ready for it.
The theme at Saturday's panel discussion was "Tapping into Asia's Creative Industry Potential," and Chan had several opinions about innovation in China.
He said that early in his career, he lived in the shadow of the late martial arts star Bruce Lee. He said that during his first foray into Hollywood, he struggled to establish his own identity, so he returned to Hong Kong. After spending 15 years building his reputation in Asia, Chan finally got rediscovered by Hollywood, he said.
Chan said the problem with Chinese youth is that "they like other people's things. They don't like their own things." Young people need to spend more time developing their own style, he added.
The action hero complained that Chinese goods still have too many quality problems. He became emotional when discussing contaminated milk powder that sickened tens of thousands of Chinese babies in the past year.
Speaking fast with his voice rising, Chan said, "If I need to buy a TV, I'll definitely buy a Japanese TV. A Chinese TV might explode."
God, people like that make me want to puke my guts out. Serf mentality is a powerful thing.
Somewhat understandable. Mainland China has never known Democracy, and combine that with the excesses of the Maoist period (which some Chinese would ascribe to an excess of popular enthusiasm for government) and the icky breakup of the USSR and you have a recipe for popular authoritarianism.
False advertising, I thought he finally crippled/killed himself doing one of his crazy stunts.
If we let them do what they want they poison babies milk and make lead toys. maybe He's got a point :lol:
Some cultures are more disposed to autocracy than democracy.
Please see: Russians, Arabs, Monoriu
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 18, 2009, 03:09:59 PM
False advertising, I thought he finally crippled/killed himself doing one of his crazy stunts.
That's what I though myself after reading that article.
It makes more sense than most of his movies.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2009, 03:16:18 PM
Some cultures are more disposed to autocracy than democracy.
Please see: Russians, Arabs, Monoriu
Indeed. People calling for freedom in authoritary societies forget that in those societies, whoever believe in their flavor of autocracy, is perfectly "free". Back in the Soviet Union, russians that believed in comunism were perfectly "free" and happy. They had what they wanted, and didn't want at all the freedoms we enjoy in the West.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of chinese are perfectly happy with their regime, the same way that most mormons would be happy with a "Mormon Republic of Utah".
As a Russian, DG don't you also wish for the soft caress of the whip and the loving embrace of chains?
Did I just use the word "perfectly" three times in the same post?
Quote from: Siege on April 18, 2009, 10:57:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2009, 03:16:18 PM
Some cultures are more disposed to autocracy than democracy.
Please see: Russians, Arabs, Monoriu
Indeed. People calling for freedom in authoritary societies forget that in those societies, whoever believe in their flavor of autocracy, is perfectly "free". Back in the Soviet Union, russians that believed in comunism were perfectly "free" and happy. They had what they wanted, and didn't want at all the freedoms we enjoy in the West.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of chinese are perfectly happy with their regime, the same way that most mormons would be happy with a "Mormon Republic of Utah".
Clearly not all Russians wanted that since the Soviet Union did collapse.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 18, 2009, 10:59:17 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 18, 2009, 10:57:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2009, 03:16:18 PM
Some cultures are more disposed to autocracy than democracy.
Please see: Russians, Arabs, Monoriu
Indeed. People calling for freedom in authoritary societies forget that in those societies, whoever believe in their flavor of autocracy, is perfectly "free". Back in the Soviet Union, russians that believed in comunism were perfectly "free" and happy. They had what they wanted, and didn't want at all the freedoms we enjoy in the West.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of chinese are perfectly happy with their regime, the same way that most mormons would be happy with a "Mormon Republic of Utah".
Clearly not all Russians wanted that since the Soviet Union did collapse.
Not because the russians rebelled though.
The Chinese are worrying.
Sure they're under faux-communist totalitarianism kinda stuff now but...
they're so alien its hard to know if they think the way we do about this being bad....
Fingers crossed I suppose....
Quote from: Siege on April 18, 2009, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 18, 2009, 10:59:17 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 18, 2009, 10:57:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2009, 03:16:18 PM
Some cultures are more disposed to autocracy than democracy.
Please see: Russians, Arabs, Monoriu
Indeed. People calling for freedom in authoritary societies forget that in those societies, whoever believe in their flavor of autocracy, is perfectly "free". Back in the Soviet Union, russians that believed in comunism were perfectly "free" and happy. They had what they wanted, and didn't want at all the freedoms we enjoy in the West.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of chinese are perfectly happy with their regime, the same way that most mormons would be happy with a "Mormon Republic of Utah".
Clearly not all Russians wanted that since the Soviet Union did collapse.
Not because the russians rebelled though.
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10 years ago then Swedish PM Göran Persson praised the "stability" of China. Him and Jackie should date.
Of course my personal opinion is that Chinese democracy should indeed be pretty low on our list of priorities. Even though I think China maybe could handle a switch to freedom the cost of failure would be enormous.
Also, fuck Axl Pose and his irrelevant music.
Quote from: Siege on April 18, 2009, 10:57:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2009, 03:16:18 PM
Some cultures are more disposed to autocracy than democracy.
Please see: Russians, Arabs, Monoriu
Indeed. People calling for freedom in authoritary societies forget that in those societies, whoever believe in their flavor of autocracy, is perfectly "free". Back in the Soviet Union, russians that believed in comunism were perfectly "free" and happy. They had what they wanted, and didn't want at all the freedoms we enjoy in the West.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of chinese are perfectly happy with their regime, the same way that most mormons would be happy with a "Mormon Republic of Utah".
This is circular logic - most people anywhere would be perfectly happy to live in a society ruled by the fiat of the majority they belong to. The purpose of freedom is not to make "majority of people happy" - it's to allow people who are in the minority to be happy, and thus stimulate the growth of the society through diversity of ideas and opinions.
Once again you fail to grasp the basics of the Western society. Go back to your culture, Arab.
Quote from: Siege on April 18, 2009, 11:00:14 PM
Not because the russians rebelled though.
Neither did Germans in the Third Reich. What's your point?
Quote from: Martinus on April 19, 2009, 05:14:24 AM
Quote from: Siege on April 18, 2009, 11:00:14 PM
Not because the russians rebelled though.
Neither did Germans in the Third Reich. What's your point?
Uh... Didn't some though?
Quote from: Razgovory on April 19, 2009, 05:31:30 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 19, 2009, 05:14:24 AM
Quote from: Siege on April 18, 2009, 11:00:14 PM
Not because the russians rebelled though.
Neither did Germans in the Third Reich. What's your point?
Uh... Didn't some though?
Are you trying to say the Third Reich fell because the Germans rebelled? :lol:
Resistance to the regime was present both in Germany and in Russia, and I'd say it was definitely more robust in Russia than in Germany. Ever heard of Soviet gulags and political prisons?
Quote from: Martinus on April 19, 2009, 05:11:14 AM
Quote from: Siege on April 18, 2009, 10:57:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2009, 03:16:18 PM
Some cultures are more disposed to autocracy than democracy.
Please see: Russians, Arabs, Monoriu
Indeed. People calling for freedom in authoritary societies forget that in those societies, whoever believe in their flavor of autocracy, is perfectly "free". Back in the Soviet Union, russians that believed in comunism were perfectly "free" and happy. They had what they wanted, and didn't want at all the freedoms we enjoy in the West.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of chinese are perfectly happy with their regime, the same way that most mormons would be happy with a "Mormon Republic of Utah".
This is circular logic - most people anywhere would be perfectly happy to live in a society ruled by the fiat of the majority they belong to. The purpose of freedom is not to make "majority of people happy" - it's to allow people who are in the minority to be happy, and thus stimulate the growth of the society through diversity of ideas and opinions.
Once again you fail to grasp the basics of the Western society. Go back to your culture, Arab.
Truly you are a paragon of diversity and tolerance Marty.
What's so wacky about this? Freedom isn't for all peoples, especially the numerous third-world types.
Real freedom can't be given. It must be taken.
Quote from: Martinus on April 19, 2009, 05:47:07 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 19, 2009, 05:31:30 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 19, 2009, 05:14:24 AM
Quote from: Siege on April 18, 2009, 11:00:14 PM
Not because the russians rebelled though.
Neither did Germans in the Third Reich. What's your point?
Uh... Didn't some though?
Are you trying to say the Third Reich fell because the Germans rebelled? :lol:
Resistance to the regime was present both in Germany and in Russia, and I'd say it was definitely more robust in Russia than in Germany. Ever heard of Soviet gulags and political prisons?
No just our gulags. You said the Germans didn't rebel. Some did though.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 18, 2009, 10:57:33 PM
As a Russian, DG don't you also wish for the soft caress of the whip and the loving embrace of chains?
Only in the bedroom I'm sure.
Quote from: The Brain on April 19, 2009, 09:26:44 AM
Real freedom can't be given. It must be taken.
Now, this is a quote worth quoting.
Who's quote is this?
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 19, 2009, 04:23:26 PM
Only in the bedroom I'm sure.
Where does the president's penis factor in?
Quote from: Martinus on April 19, 2009, 05:11:14 AM
Quote from: Siege on April 18, 2009, 10:57:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2009, 03:16:18 PM
Some cultures are more disposed to autocracy than democracy.
Please see: Russians, Arabs, Monoriu
Indeed. People calling for freedom in authoritary societies forget that in those societies, whoever believe in their flavor of autocracy, is perfectly "free". Back in the Soviet Union, russians that believed in comunism were perfectly "free" and happy. They had what they wanted, and didn't want at all the freedoms we enjoy in the West.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of chinese are perfectly happy with their regime, the same way that most mormons would be happy with a "Mormon Republic of Utah".
This is circular logic - most people anywhere would be perfectly happy to live in a society ruled by the fiat of the majority they belong to. The purpose of freedom is not to make "majority of people happy" - it's to allow people who are in the minority to be happy, and thus stimulate the growth of the society through diversity of ideas and opinions.
Once again you fail to grasp the basics of the Western society. Go back to your culture, Arab.
Dude, I was just saying how THOSE people see it.
A muslim woman that follows the Taliban is perfectly happy wearing a burka.
She even find some advantages in wearing that piece of crap. She can wear whatever she wants underneath, "saving" a lot of money, can look at whatever she wants in perfect anonimity, since nobody can tell what she is looking at, or can even tell who is under the burka, etc.
I read a list of the "advantages" for women of following islam and covering their bodies, but I forgot most of it.
PTSD, you know.
Anyway, get off your high horse. I know perfectly well how western democracy works.
Unlike you, I was born in one.
Isn't it cute how Siegy operates under the delusion that he's from a western country, but chides Marty for having the same delusion?
Quote from: dps on April 19, 2009, 08:49:46 PM
Isn't it cute how Siegy operates under the delusion that he's from a western country, but chides Marty for having the same delusion?
:lol:
Well said.
Quote from: Neil on April 19, 2009, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: dps on April 19, 2009, 08:49:46 PM
Isn't it cute how Siegy operates under the delusion that he's from a western country, but chides Marty for having the same delusion?
:lol:
Well said.
:mad:
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Little do we know that rifle is pointed at a school.
He is an idiot. Why anyone should care what idiots say is beyond me.
Quote from: Monoriu on April 20, 2009, 08:10:25 PM
He is an idiot. Why anyone should care what idiots say is beyond me.
Aren't you getting a little above yourself here? After all, Chan has a better colour of credit card than you do. How are you fit to judge him?
Jackie Chan interviews are fun to listen to. I remember this one where he was talking about getting a severe injury (I think broken ribs) on a set and he described it as "I cannot breef any more." :cool:
Siegy carries that sign around everywhere now. I love it. :lol:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 21, 2009, 12:31:18 PM
Siegy carries that sign around everywhere now. I love it. :lol:
Yeah, it's cool. That way we will know it's him when he makes the headlines. :D
Police are still looking for the mysterious Neil person the attacker had apparently had a grudge against.
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2009, 12:35:08 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 21, 2009, 12:31:18 PM
Siegy carries that sign around everywhere now. I love it. :lol:
Yeah, it's cool. That way we will know it's him when he makes the headlines. :D
Police are still looking for the mysterious Neil person the attacker had apparently had a grudge against.
:lol:
Heh, I wonder if he or CdM will make headlines first - or maybe Mono will finally crack. :D
Really, there is stiff Languish competition on that score. :lol:
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2009, 12:35:08 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 21, 2009, 12:31:18 PM
Siegy carries that sign around everywhere now. I love it. :lol:
Yeah, it's cool. That way we will know it's him when he makes the headlines. :D
Police are still looking for the mysterious Neil person the attacker had apparently had a grudge against.
:D Classic
Quote from: Martinus on April 21, 2009, 12:35:08 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 21, 2009, 12:31:18 PM
Siegy carries that sign around everywhere now. I love it. :lol:
Yeah, it's cool. That way we will know it's him when he makes the headlines. :D
Police are still looking for the mysterious Neil person the attacker had apparently had a grudge against.
The bidding on the rights to my story start at $4 million.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2009, 11:16:11 PM
Little do we know that rifle is pointed at a school.
You are just jealous that I don't have a "Fuck U CdM" sign in that pic.