A lot of people on this board seem to enjoy grunge, but hate emo music. Is this only because they are old? Because the music is pretty much the same, only grunge musicians wore more flannel and less eyeliner.
Discuss. -_-
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:34:05 AM
A lot of people on this board seem to enjoy grunge, but hate emo music. Is this only because they are old? Because the music is pretty much the same, only grunge musicians wore more flannel and less eyeliner.
Discuss. -_-
You're a fucking moron, and have no idea about music so take your retarded ideas and listen to ABBA douchebag.
How was that?
Well that was the reaction I was hoping for with this thread. :lol:
Cobain was a major emo yes. But Pearl Jam has some fucking masterpieces and even the notion of comparing them to the total suckage of emo is blasphemy.
Anyway, to speak more seriously, isn't the punk -> grunge -> emo the way this music genre evolved?
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:44:37 AM
Anyway, to speak more seriously, isn't the punk -> grunge -> emo the way this music genre evolved?
No. Emo has its roots in Goth.
Quote from: Brazen on April 17, 2009, 04:48:11 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:44:37 AM
Anyway, to speak more seriously, isn't the punk -> grunge -> emo the way this music genre evolved?
No. Emo has its roots in Goth.
Oh right. Then it's rock -> metal -> goth -> emo?
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:44:37 AM
Anyway, to speak more seriously, isn't the punk -> grunge -> emo the way this music genre evolved?
Not really Punk->hardcore+Pop Punk->Emo
Punk->hardcore+Metal->Grunge
Quote from: Brazen on April 17, 2009, 04:48:11 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:44:37 AM
Anyway, to speak more seriously, isn't the punk -> grunge -> emo the way this music genre evolved?
No. Emo has its roots in Goth.
Not really, the fashion has been influenced from goth a little but, but musically it's Hardcore Punk.
Quote from: katmai on April 17, 2009, 04:52:43 AM
Not really, the fashion has been influenced from goth a little but, but musically it's Hardcore Punk.
Pfft. It's subject matter is pure Goth. All vampires and suicidal love affairs.
Quote from: katmai on April 17, 2009, 04:52:43 AM
Not really, the fashion has been influenced from goth a little but, but musically it's Hardcore Punk.
Yeah but the age and mind-problem defined demographic groups who were goth in the past become emo nowadays.
Quote from: Brazen on April 17, 2009, 05:16:24 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 17, 2009, 04:52:43 AM
Not really, the fashion has been influenced from goth a little but, but musically it's Hardcore Punk.
Pfft. It's subject matter is pure Goth. All vampires and suicidal love affairs.
:huh:
Fuck you, you shitlicking analrobbing assbandit. If I could, I would skullfuck you with a rusty, serrated iron reinforcement bar.
Given that I cannot, it shall have to suffice to wish a horrible death on you and yours, and a rapid end to all your wordly relationships except the ones that are causing you physical or mental anguish.
:punk: :bash: :cthulu:
Quote from: Slargos on April 17, 2009, 05:25:26 AM
Fuck you, you shitlicking analrobbing assbandit. If I could, I would skullfuck you with a rusty, serrated iron reinforcement bar.
Given that I cannot, it shall have to suffice to wish a horrible death on you and yours, and a rapid end to all your wordly relationships except the ones that are causing you physical or mental anguish.
Yeah, lyrics like that.
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:34:05 AM
Because the music is pretty much the same,
:lol:
I suppose they are both guitar based.
Quote from: Brazen on April 17, 2009, 05:27:13 AM
Quote from: Slargos on April 17, 2009, 05:25:26 AM
Fuck you, you shitlicking analrobbing assbandit. If I could, I would skullfuck you with a rusty, serrated iron reinforcement bar.
Given that I cannot, it shall have to suffice to wish a horrible death on you and yours, and a rapid end to all your wordly relationships except the ones that are causing you physical or mental anguish.
Yeah, lyrics like that.
Granma plz! :P
Fuck Kurt Cobain.
People have been somewhat upset long before emo.
Goth FTW.
I can't be arsed to properly explain the musical differences but:
Goth- Driving rhythem section, somber
Grunge- Distortion guitars, anger, low-fi
Emo- Power chords, teenage bitching, over produced
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:34:05 AM
A lot of people on this board seem to enjoy grunge, but hate emo music. Is this only because they are old? Because the music is pretty much the same, only grunge musicians wore more flannel and less eyeliner.
I would say that most music directed at teenagers and twentysomethings has been rather whiny, ever since Gen-X started coming up. Sure, they might be totally different from a technical, musical standpoint. However, from a content standpoint, huge swathes of music add up to 'Nobody understands me, so I'm going to cut myself/react violently/put a shotgun in my mouth'. Emo is just the purest of the breed.
Quote from: Neil on April 17, 2009, 07:16:08 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:34:05 AM
A lot of people on this board seem to enjoy grunge, but hate emo music. Is this only because they are old? Because the music is pretty much the same, only grunge musicians wore more flannel and less eyeliner.
I would say that most music directed at teenagers and twentysomethings has been rather whiny, ever since Gen-X started coming up. Sure, they might be totally different from a technical, musical standpoint. However, from a content standpoint, huge swathes of music add up to 'Nobody understands me, so I'm going to cut myself/react violently/put a shotgun in my mouth'. Emo is just the purest of the breed.
I read somewhere that 95% of great music deals with either
1: Love
2: Depression.
Weird that emo sucks then.....
Quote from: Tyr on April 17, 2009, 07:19:09 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 17, 2009, 07:16:08 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:34:05 AM
A lot of people on this board seem to enjoy grunge, but hate emo music. Is this only because they are old? Because the music is pretty much the same, only grunge musicians wore more flannel and less eyeliner.
I would say that most music directed at teenagers and twentysomethings has been rather whiny, ever since Gen-X started coming up. Sure, they might be totally different from a technical, musical standpoint. However, from a content standpoint, huge swathes of music add up to 'Nobody understands me, so I'm going to cut myself/react violently/put a shotgun in my mouth'. Emo is just the purest of the breed.
I read somewhere that 95% of great music deals with either
1: Love
2: Depression.
Weird that emo sucks then.....
99.9% of pop music has dealt with love, requited or otherwise.
The reason that emo sucks is probably the reason that most forms of metal suck: Too much screaming, too self-indulgent and the musicians and fans are freaks.
Just listened to Pearl Jam's "Alive" on my way home in the car. The end section (when the singer shuts up) on near-max volume while going as fast on a country road as it permits it, is what rock is about. :cool:
To compare this to emo is just.... wrong.
As an aside; punk had its origins in garage bands from the mid to late 60s. Lenny Kaye (rock historian and Patti Smith's guitartist) put together a collection of this music in the 70s called Nuggets: Original Artyfacts From the First Psychedelic Era that allegedly was a favorite among the punk rockers in the 70s. The original double album has since been expanded into a box set of 3 chords and no talent. I strongly recommend it:
http://www.amazon.com/Nuggets-Original-Artyfacts-Psychedelic-1965-1968/dp/B00000AFWZ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1239972394&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Nuggets-Original-Artyfacts-Psychedelic-1965-1968/dp/B00000AFWZ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1239972394&sr=8-1)
Quote from: Savonarola on April 17, 2009, 07:50:02 AM
As an aside; punk had its origins in garage bands from the mid to late 60s. Lenny Kaye (rock historian and Patti Smith's guitartist) put together a collection of this music in the 70s called Nuggets: Original Artyfacts From the First Psychedelic Era that allegedly was a favorite among the punk rockers in the 70s. The original double album has since been expanded into a box set of 3 chords and no talent. I strongly recommend it:
http://www.amazon.com/Nuggets-Original-Artyfacts-Psychedelic-1965-1968/dp/B00000AFWZ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1239972394&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Nuggets-Original-Artyfacts-Psychedelic-1965-1968/dp/B00000AFWZ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1239972394&sr=8-1)
Duly noted and added to the Amazon wishlist. Thank you :hug:
L.
Quote from: katmai on April 17, 2009, 04:51:10 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:44:37 AM
Anyway, to speak more seriously, isn't the punk -> grunge -> emo the way this music genre evolved?
Not really Punk->hardcore+Pop Punk->Emo
Punk->hardcore+Metal->Grunge
Yeah.
What pisses me off most about Emo is that it by association taints Bad Brains, Fugazi/Minor Threat and The Misfits.
Grunge is crap. GOD DAMN SEATTLE
Quote from: The Brain on April 17, 2009, 11:14:07 AM
Grunge is crap. GOD DAMN SEATTLE
Are you an emosexual?
Quote from: Queequeg on April 17, 2009, 09:43:07 AM
Yeah.
What pisses me off most about Emo is that it by association taints Bad Brains, Fugazi/Minor Threat and The Misfits.
WTF are you talking about?
Quote from: fahdiz on April 17, 2009, 12:16:03 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 17, 2009, 09:43:07 AM
Yeah.
What pisses me off most about Emo is that it by association taints Bad Brains, Fugazi/Minor Threat and The Misfits.
WTF are you talking about?
A part of me hears Emo when I listen to Hardcore and especially Post-Hardcore these days.
It is awful but I can't help it. Not even 13 Songs is safe anymore. :(
Quote from: Queequeg on April 17, 2009, 12:17:15 PM
A part of me hears Emo when I listen to Hardcore and especially Post-Hardcore these days.
It is awful but I can't help it. Not even 13 Songs is safe anymore. :(
That's your problem, not the bands' problem. :P
I'm not sure about emo's place in the musical evolution; it's most closely related to punk, but it seems to be a major stripping down of it; taking away overarching themes like anti-establishment, and replacing them with harlequin crap like unrequited love, sexual comedies... it wouldn't be hard to imagine an emo song about moshing.
Grunge: Tamas is gonna have a conniption fit about this, but Cobain was absolutely an emo, Eddie Vedder skirted the line. The band's since grown up, but c'mon... "Jeremy?" The whole debacle about MTV refusing to air the video, and Pearl Jam's response? Pearl Jam teetered on the edge of emo for a bit before going with more mellow lyrics that I think tie more closely into slacker rock.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 17, 2009, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on April 17, 2009, 12:17:15 PM
A part of me hears Emo when I listen to Hardcore and especially Post-Hardcore these days.
It is awful but I can't help it. Not even 13 Songs is safe anymore. :(
That's your problem, not the bands' problem. :P
Couldn't agree more.
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:34:05 AM
A lot of people on this board seem to enjoy grunge, but hate emo music. Is this only because they are old? Because the music is pretty much the same, only grunge musicians wore more flannel and less eyeliner.
Discuss. -_-
are you retarded? ummm no relation. Grunge is simply a bunch of punks who dress like Canadians. :contract: Emo is the unholy abortion satan childe of goth and actual music. only gen Why Me can endure it. (so yes age is a factor.)
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 17, 2009, 12:25:02 PM
Grunge: Tamas is gonna have a conniption fit about this, but Cobain was absolutely an emo, Eddie Vedder skirted the line. The band's since grown up, but c'mon... "Jeremy?" The whole debacle about MTV refusing to air the video, and Pearl Jam's response? Pearl Jam teetered on the edge of emo for a bit before going with more mellow lyrics that I think tie more closely into slacker rock.
Yes, Cobain was a total emo, I did say it so in this very thread. I quite hate the guy. And I am not an insane Pearl Jam fan, I just generally like their music, with a couple of noted masterpiece among it.
Paint It Black by the Stones. First ever Emo track?
Quote from: Brazen on April 18, 2009, 05:04:46 AM
Paint It Black by the Stones. First ever Emo track?
Wouldn't a lot of Blues/Country be emo?
Quote from: Brazen on April 18, 2009, 05:04:46 AM
Paint It Black by the Stones. First ever Emo track?
:mad:
Quote from: Syt on April 18, 2009, 05:32:36 AM
Wouldn't a lot of Blues/Country be emo?
Robert Johnson sold his soul to the devil; he was totally goth. :cool:
I'm confused. Did he destroy Rome or preserve it?
Quote from: The Brain on April 18, 2009, 06:58:04 AM
I'm confused. Did he destroy Rome or preserve it?
There's not a consensus among experts in the field.
Emo? I'll show you emo. I'll cut your face.
I don't ever recall any movie quotes like "You know how I know you're gay? You listen to Alice In Chains."
My Chemical Romance and Coldplay = Emo
Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Afghan Whigs, Beat Happening = Not Emo
Go die, Martinus, before I find you and slash you to pieces with your Barbara Streisand CDs, you filthy ass cocknibbler faggot fuckstick.
Quote from: katmai on April 17, 2009, 04:42:04 AM
You're a fucking moron, and have no idea about music so take your retarded ideas and listen to ABBA douchebag.
I agree with my esteemed Alaskan aged-to-perfection grungee and the angry man above me's post.
Emo music is retardedness branded and boxed and marketed; grunge was, like, pure and unsoiled, man! :mad:
It'll be hillarious once the emo kids turn 30 or 40, and their kids have taken some new whiny style of music. They'll go on about how the new style is terrible and how emo was 'pure'.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on April 18, 2009, 01:10:04 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2009, 04:34:05 AM
A lot of people on this board seem to enjoy grunge, but hate emo music. Is this only because they are old? Because the music is pretty much the same, only grunge musicians wore more flannel and less eyeliner.
Discuss. -_-
are you retarded?
This is Martinus. The answer to that supposedly rhetorical question is clearly yes.
Emo for me quite clearly grew out of pop punk.
When I was 15 or so I remember Blink 182 and all that sort of thing enjoyed a surge of populairty, a few years later emo appeared. Similar stuff only gayer.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2009, 07:55:39 AM
Emo? I'll show you emo. I'll cut your face.
I don't ever recall any movie quotes like "You know how I know you're gay? You listen to Alice In Chains."
My Chemical Romance and Coldplay = Emo
Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Afghan Whigs, Beat Happening = Not Emo
Go die, Martinus, before I find you and slash you to pieces with your Barbara Streisand CDs, you filthy ass cocknibbler faggot fuckstick.
Coldplay isn't emo. Its just standard radio friendly indiesque music for the over 40s.