Good thing BB isn't from California or he would have keeled over at this news.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110523/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_california_prisons
QuoteHigh court to Calif: Cut prison inmates by 33,000
By DON THOMPSON, Associated Press – Mon May 23, 7:48 pm ET
SACRAMENTO, Calif. – The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday that California must drastically reduce its prison population to relieve severe overcrowding that has exposed inmates to increased violence, disease and death.
The decision, however, doesn't mean the prison gates will swing open in an uncontrolled release.
The high court's decision calls on the state to cut the population to no more than 110,000 inmates, meaning California will have to shed some 33,000 inmates to comply over the next two years. State officials can accomplish that by transferring inmates to local jails or releasing them.
The 5-4 ruling revealed a sharp divide on the court between Justices Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia.
Kennedy wrote for the majority and described dismal conditions where prisoners are denied minimal care and suicidal inmates are held in "telephone-booth sized cages without toilets."
"A prison that deprives prisoners of basic sustenance, including adequate medical care, is incompatible with the concept of human dignity and has no place in civilized society," Kennedy wrote, joined by the court's four Democrat-appointed justices.
Scalia read a blistering dissent from the bench in which he called the ruling "perhaps the most radical injunction issued by a court in our nation's history" and said it would require the release of a "staggering number" of convicted felons.
The ruling also raised concerns among California lawmakers and attorneys general from 18 states who argued that a decision ordering the reduction of California's inmate population infringes on states' rights and could leave their prisons open to similar lawsuits.
It's "a historic attack on the constitutional rights of states and the liberty of all Californians," said former state Sen. George Runner, who had intervened in the lawsuit on behalf of legislative Republicans. It will result in "flooding our neighborhoods with criminals."
California has already been preparing for the ruling, driven as much by persistent multibillion dollar budget deficits as by fears for the well-being of prison inmates and employees. The state has sent inmates to other states. It plans to transfer jurisdiction over others to counties, though the state doesn't have the money to do it.
"Our goal is to not release inmates at all," said Matthew Cate, the state corrections secretary. Shorter term inmates will leave prison before the Supreme Court's deadline expires, and newly sentenced lower-level offenders would go to local jails under the plan.
Concerns over prison crowding and security grew over the weekend with a pair of riots that injured inmates.
A fight by nearly 200 inmates in a San Quentin State Prison dining hall Sunday left four men with stab or slash wounds. On Friday, six inmates were sent to hospitals, two of them with serious injuries, after about 150 inmates rioted at California State Prison, Sacramento.
A special panel of three judges based in different parts of California decided in 2009 to order the prison population reduction. Monday's order puts them in charge of how the state complies. The 2009 ruling grew out of lawsuits alleging unconstitutionally poor care for mentally and physically ill inmates. One case dates back 20 years.
The growth in the prison population in the nation's most populous state can be attributed in part to years of get-tough sentencing laws, including a three-strikes law that sends repeat offenders to prison for life. As of May 11, there were roughly 143,000 inmates in a 33 adult prison-system designed to hold 80,000.
At the peak of overcrowding in 2006, nearly 20,000 inmates were living in makeshift housing in gymnasiums and other common areas, often sleeping in bunks stacked three high. Prison doctors conducted examinations in shower stalls or in makeshift offices without running water, often in full view of other inmates.
One of the federal judges involved in the lower court ruling once blamed the prison system's poor medical care for causing the death of about one inmate every week due to neglect or medical malpractice.
The same judge in 2006 seized control of the prison health care system, putting it under the management of a federal receiver. A second judge in the case has blamed crowding for contributing to poor care for mentally ill inmates, leading some to kill themselves.
At the time, then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a public safety emergency because of the crowding. He then began shipping inmates to private prisons in Arizona, Mississippi and Oklahoma. More than 10,000 California inmates are now housed in private prisons out of state.
"They've made a lot of plans already," said Michael Bien, one of the attorneys who sought the ruling on behalf of mentally and physically ill inmates who suffered in severely crowded conditions. "We're sure it can be done safely and appropriately.
"What's more, it will save a lot of money," he said.
The ruling comes amid efforts in many states, accelerated by budget gaps, to send fewer people to prison in the first place. Proposals vary by state, but include ways to reduce sentences for lower-level offenders, direct some offenders to alternative sentencing programs and give judges more discretion in sentencing.
"There's a growing consensus that there are better ways to run criminal justice systems," said Michael Mushlin, an expert on prisoners' rights at Pace Law School in White Plains, N.Y.
In recent years, California legislators and Schwarzenegger tried to find ways to reduce prison time for those less likely to commit new crimes. Schwarzenegger signed legislation that increased early release credits and made it more difficult to send ex-convicts back to prison for parole violations. He signed another law that rewards county probation departments for keeping criminals out of state prisons.
One result of those changes is that the state has been able to do away with nearly two-thirds of its makeshift beds, although more than 7,000 inmates remain in temporary housing.
Gov. Jerry Brown sought and signed a bill this year that would reduce the prison population by about 40,000 inmates by transferring jurisdiction for many low-level offenders to counties. The law is stalled until the lawmakers or voters authorize money to pay for the transfer. Much of the money is intended to help counties handle the responsibility of housing convicts.
"As we work to carry out the Court's ruling, I will take all steps necessary to protect public safety," he said in a prepared statement.
Several organizations, from the state prison guards union to the California State Association of Counties, backed Brown's realignment plan — and the elusive funding — as the most practical way to comply with the court's mandate.
"If we don't do it smart, we could have all those people come back for additional crimes," said Chuck Alexander, executive vice president of the California Correctional Peace Officers Association.
Dissenters on the Supreme Court fear the worst, both in terms of public safety and what they described as a lower bar set for court intervention in how state's run their prison systems.
Justice Samuel Alito, in a dissent along with Chief Justice John Roberts, said he feared that the decision, "like prior prisoner release orders, will lead to a grim roster of victims. I hope that I am wrong. In a few years, we will see."
Aside from reducing the inmate population, the court said the state must continue to improve medical treatment in prison. Cate, the corrections secretary, and J. Clark Kelso, the federal receiver who now controls prison medical care, noted that construction of a new centralized medical facility south of the state capital is already under way.
The California dispute is the first high court case that reviewed a prisoner release order under a 1996 federal law that made it much harder for inmates to challenge prison conditions. The law was enacted after Republicans led by Newt Gingrich regained control of Congress and tried to rein in judicial interference in states' affairs, said Frank Zimring, a University of California, Berkeley law professor.
"This is also sort of an object lesson in be careful what you wish for," he said.
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Associated Press writer Mark Sherman in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.
Why not just execute 50,000 inmates?
Great, 33,000 more stoners in the general population.
Quote from: Neil on May 25, 2011, 06:20:00 AM
Why not just execute 50,000 inmates?
It would be illegal.
Quote from: The Brain on May 25, 2011, 06:29:52 AM
Quote from: Neil on May 25, 2011, 06:20:00 AM
Why not just execute 50,000 inmates?
It would be illegal.
Why would a government allow itself to be bound by the law?
Quote from: Neil on May 25, 2011, 06:32:41 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 25, 2011, 06:29:52 AM
Quote from: Neil on May 25, 2011, 06:20:00 AM
Why not just execute 50,000 inmates?
It would be illegal.
Why would a government allow itself to be bound by the law?
International Law demands it.
We need other ways of punishment for lesser crimes than prison. We have community service as one. Maybe we need more ideas. I don't think this is done but one idea I have is that people having to pay off their crimes in money over a length of time. Many may not have much in the way of finances but as part of their sentence and/or parole they could be required to have a job, start paying off the crime. Pay off the crime over time, and if they don't do so then they face prison time. That would free up prison space for serious offenders, and lowers the cost of the prisons by fewer inmates.
Isn't some part of Muslim law like that? Do we really want to be like them?
That seems rather archaic Kron. I don't really think it's possible, how are you going to get them all stable jobs that they can live on while garnishing their wages?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 25, 2011, 09:00:08 AM
That seems rather archaic Kron. I don't really think it's possible, how are you going to get them all stable jobs that they can live on while garnishing their wages?
Archaic to be putting them all in prison, for lesser crimes, isn't it? Plus we pay more taxes for more prison upkeep. Then some people become worse offenders after spending time in a prison environment. This way, as they work they can pay off their crime. I'm not talking an impossible amount to pay off. Legislation can decide on the amounts and such. Having to actually pay off the crime is probably just as big an incentive to NOT do crimes as going to prison is. We have community service, and some restitution being done in some cases. So this is just more of an expansion of that.
Just trying to think of other ways besides sending so many people to prison, and lessening the costs of that.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 25, 2011, 09:00:08 AM
That seems rather archaic Kron.
No so - restitution is already part of the suite of punishments that are to be imposed at sentencing (mandatory) for a variety of crimes, as least under the federal system.
I am amazed at the sheer number of prison inmates in California.
Quote from: Zanza2 on May 25, 2011, 10:54:12 AM
I am amazed at the sheer number of prison inmates in California.
It's the US. Something like 3% of the Adult Population is in Prison.
Need to more into prison.
Sounds like a pretty good time to commit not too serious crimes in Cali!
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 25, 2011, 11:05:56 AM
Need to more into prison.
But California cannot into prison! :(
Quote from: Berkut on May 25, 2011, 11:07:17 AM
Sounds like a pretty good time to commit not too serious crimes in Cali!
Let us know how that works out for you.
Quote from: grumbler on May 25, 2011, 12:27:17 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 25, 2011, 11:05:56 AM
Need to more into prison.
But California cannot into prison! :(
:blush:
Note to self: Don't post. :blush: :P
Quote from: KRonn on May 25, 2011, 08:05:17 AM
We need other ways of punishment for lesser crimes than prison.
Bring back flogging.
Quote from: dps on May 25, 2011, 06:53:26 PM
Quote from: KRonn on May 25, 2011, 08:05:17 AM
We need other ways of punishment for lesser crimes than prison.
Bring back flogging.
banishment. Commit a crime? we'll sned your ass to detriot.
Quote from: HVC on May 25, 2011, 07:27:24 PM
banishment. Commit a crime? we'll sned your ass to detriot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g09GtnWdBjc
Quote from: dps on May 25, 2011, 06:53:26 PM
Quote from: KRonn on May 25, 2011, 08:05:17 AM
We need other ways of punishment for lesser crimes than prison.
Bring back flogging.
I've always been of the mind that we should extend executions for serious offenders (rapists, murderers, major tax evaders), while rolling up punishment on the other end (decriminalizing drug use and traffick, minor punishments for minor A+B, etc.).
Quote from: dps on May 25, 2011, 06:53:26 PM
Quote from: KRonn on May 25, 2011, 08:05:17 AM
We need other ways of punishment for lesser crimes than prison.
Bring back flogging.
There's a little blonde hottie at work I would love to flog.
Quote from: dps on May 25, 2011, 06:53:26 PM
Quote from: KRonn on May 25, 2011, 08:05:17 AM
We need other ways of punishment for lesser crimes than prison.
Bring back flogging.
And the stocks. Public humiliation FTW!
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 25, 2011, 08:34:58 AM
Isn't some part of Muslim law like that? Do we really want to be like them?
Muslim law would execute them for some silly religious reason.
We would execute them all for sensible, fiscal reasons.
Quote from: HVC on May 25, 2011, 07:27:24 PM
banishment. Commit a crime? we'll sned your ass to detriot.
Is ass snedding painful? How much would it cost the state?
:)
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 25, 2011, 10:55:44 AM
Quote from: Zanza2 on May 25, 2011, 10:54:12 AM
I am amazed at the sheer number of prison inmates in California.
It's the US. Something like 3% of the Adult Population is in Prison.
That's not very many...percentage-wise.
Quote from: Strix on May 26, 2011, 11:58:06 AM
That's not very many...percentage-wise.
Considering how many responsible taxpaying citizens it takes to support the costs of imprisoning one inmate, 3% is a cripplingly large number.
How many inmates are non-citizens?
Quote from: The Brain on May 26, 2011, 03:29:18 PM
How many inmates are non-citizens?
Not nearly enough.
Properly legalise weed, legalise prostitution. A lot of the problem solved and California would prove itself to be truly the most advanced state all in one fell swoop.
Very doubtful. While states in general have a substantial number of inmates in prison on drug charges, given California's liberal attitude toward pot, I would suspect that they have very few prisoners in their system who are there because of pot (other drugs, yeah, but not pot). And a doubt that any state has a large number of people in prison on charges of prostitution. I could be wrong about this, but I'd need to see some numbers.
Good ruling. Read an excellent coverage of it in The Economist. Scalia is becoming more of a piece of shit with each breath he draws.