Poll
Question:
Which do you prefer?
Option 1: Classic Who (1st 7 Doctors)
votes: 9
Option 2: Nu Who (9th thru 11th Doctors)
votes: 17
Option 3: I haven't seen enough of 1 or the other to make an informed selection
votes: 6
Option 4: I'm a hipster poser who'd never admit to liking anything popular
votes: 1
Option 5: I'm an iconclast, so I'll vote for the 8th Doctor!
votes: 0
Option 6: Don't know anything about Doctor Who, I'm just a retard who likes voting in polls (Jaron option)
votes: 7
So, which do you like better?
Nu Who's, particularly Tennant but this new guy is pretty good too.
New.
When I was a kid I found old too slow paced, now I find it a bit dated.
Quote from: Tyr on May 03, 2011, 06:19:33 PM
New.
When I was a kid I found old too slow paced, now I find it a bit dated.
I can see finding the old stuff kind of dated now, but as for the pace, I think some of the new episodes feel too rushed. The second episode of the new series really went too fast IMO.
Haven't seen old Who, but tv from that period is just lackluster in general.
Quote from: dps on May 03, 2011, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: Tyr on May 03, 2011, 06:19:33 PM
New.
When I was a kid I found old too slow paced, now I find it a bit dated.
I can see finding the old stuff kind of dated now, but as for the pace, I think some of the new episodes feel too rushed. The second episode of the new series really went too fast IMO.
Totally agreed that lots of the new ones are way too rushed.
I could well see myself as a kid loving it though wheras with the old ones...I just wanted them to finish with the talking and lead up and actually get down to business,
I liked the older episodes. Tom Baker is Dr. Who. Part of the fun was how bad the production values were.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 03, 2011, 08:04:19 PM
I liked the older episodes. Tom Baker is Dr. Who. Part of the fun was how bad the production values were.
I was amused by the whole block of old british shows on the PBS station. Dr. Who, Space:1999, Monty Python and that stupid show set in a department store. And Taggart.
Space: 1999 wasn't a British show AFAIK.
And frankly, I'm surprised that it's running anywhere nowdays. It pretty much was a flop, and only lasted 2 seasons IIRC.
EDIT: I checked, and, I was mistaken in that it was a British show, but was correct that it only ran 2 years.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 03, 2011, 08:07:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 03, 2011, 08:04:19 PM
I liked the older episodes. Tom Baker is Dr. Who. Part of the fun was how bad the production values were.
I was amused by the whole block of old british shows on the PBS station. Dr. Who, Space:1999, Monty Python and that stupid show set in a department store. And Taggart.
I know exactly what you mean! :lol: "Are You Being Served?" I think was the name of it. There was also the awful comedy of about the annoying fat old woman. Then another show where there was an annoying fat woman who wasn't as old but was a priest or something.
All I know it, when Judi Dench was on screen, my pants came off.
I find the new Dr. Who stuff to be nothing short of boring.
Then again, I found the old stuff the same.
The 10th Doctor. It's limited what I have seen of the 8th Doctor, so for me is it at choice between the 9th and the 10th Doctor...
They did show the 4th Doctor on danish TV back when I was a kid, but for some reason did I find it silly back then...
Voted 3rd option. I can only remember the 4th doctor from PBS reruns, whereas i've seen all three of the new doctors. Ergo, not informed enough.
So, for someone who has so far watched NONE of the Doctors ... which would be considered essential watching?
Quote from: Syt on May 04, 2011, 02:12:24 AM
... which would be considered essential watching?
The Tom Baker years followed by the Jon Pertwee years.
Quote from: citizen k on May 04, 2011, 02:16:39 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 04, 2011, 02:12:24 AM
... which would be considered essential watching?
The Tom Baker years followed by the Jon Pertwee years.
No, without some context they'll just look like horribly dated, underfunded crap. David Tenant is probably most accessible, THEN followed by Tom Baker.
I can't possibly select given the options available. I'd need some sort of proportional representation. Individual doctor-wise I'd go:
David Tenant=Tom Baker
Christopher Eccleston
Jon Pertwee
And a special mention for Paul McGann.
Torchwood is better.
Quote from: Martinus on May 04, 2011, 06:13:44 AM
Torchwood is better.
Let me guess. Because one of the characters is gay?
Quote from: Razgovory on May 04, 2011, 06:22:09 AM
Let me guess. Because one of the characters is gay?
Every character is... flexible.
But aside from Marty's preoccupations, it's a more grown up take on the Who universe. Less campy, less deus ex machinae, less ridiculous moralizing. OTOH, just about every episode is set in the modern world and those are always the weakest Who episodes. It lacks much of the whimsy and sense of adventure that make the original show.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 04, 2011, 06:22:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 04, 2011, 06:13:44 AM
Torchwood is better.
Let me guess. Because one of the characters is gay?
Out of six main characters, two are gay/bi men (who end up in a relationship, even though one of them is an omni-sexual playboy from future, who pretty much fucks everything he meets), and one is a les.
Quote from: Martinus on May 04, 2011, 08:38:56 AM
Out of six main characters, two are gay/bi men (who end up in a relationship, even though one of them is an omni-sexual playboy from future, who pretty much fucks everything he meets), and one is a les.
You know you do not have to hold on to this schtick with such a grip of iron.
Six main characters? Are you counting Rhys, or did they add somebody after season 1?
I didnt like torchwood. I can ignore the stupid plotlines with doctor who cause it's campy but torchwood took itself seriously so it didn't work (for me)
Torchwood is a bit much of a 16 year old boy's take on grown up. Keep it juvenile but add some sex, swearing and guns.
With added homosexuality.
Its decent and watchable but...myeh. Dr Who knows its silly and mad. Torchwood has a bit of a pretense of being a serious show.
Quote from: Brazen on May 04, 2011, 03:59:34 AM
Quote from: citizen k on May 04, 2011, 02:16:39 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 04, 2011, 02:12:24 AM
... which would be considered essential watching?
The Tom Baker years followed by the Jon Pertwee years.
No, without some context they'll just look like horribly dated, underfunded crap. David Tenant is probably most accessible, THEN followed by Tom Baker.
I dont see anything wrong with starting right from episode 1 of the new Who. That way he gets to see the transformation at the end of the first season and he can get right into the Who lore quickly.
I picture David Tennant whenever I think of Dr. Who so I guess I vote New Who.
Quote from: Tyr on May 04, 2011, 10:49:14 AM
Torchwood is a bit much of a 16 year old boy's take on grown up. Keep it juvenile but add some sex, swearing and guns.
With added homosexuality.
I said
more grown up than Dr Who. The guns alone are enough to do that; the Doctor's pacifism is so extreme at times as to insult the intelligence(though that may be changing with season 6, his treatment of the Silence seemed unwontedly cold-blooded). It's still a far cry from Fringe or the X-Files I'll grant you.
Mission Impossible was better then all this modern crap.
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 04, 2011, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: Brazen on May 04, 2011, 03:59:34 AM
Quote from: citizen k on May 04, 2011, 02:16:39 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 04, 2011, 02:12:24 AM
... which would be considered essential watching?
The Tom Baker years followed by the Jon Pertwee years.
No, without some context they'll just look like horribly dated, underfunded crap. David Tenant is probably most accessible, THEN followed by Tom Baker.
I dont see anything wrong with starting right from episode 1 of the new Who. That way he gets to see the transformation at the end of the first season and he can get right into the Who lore quickly.
Yeah, if you're going to check out the new stuff, might as well start right at the beginning.
OTOH, if the question is more along the lines of, "If there's one episode of this show that's must-see TV, which is it?" then I'd suggest the episode "The Empty Child" (which is technically the first of a 2-parter, so I guess you'd have to watch the second part "The Doctor Dances"). Creepiest thing I've ever seen on tv, though if you don't know your Who lore, you might not realize just how creepy it is when the phone rings the first time.
Is that the one with all the people in gas masks? I didn't care for it. :mellow:
The Indiana Light series with whatshername from Wayne's World was a true masterpiece of the television.
The question's not fair, as I rate Tennant (10) as the second best Doctor after Pertwee (3) but I had to vote for the first option due to my dislike of the current Doctor "whoever-ugly-talentless-guy-he-is" (11).
If you do start watching Doctor Who start anywhere except Tom Baker's later years, Colin Baker (6) or with the current one.
Quote from: Agelastus on May 05, 2011, 02:33:40 PM
The question's not fair, as I rate Tennant (10) as the second best Doctor after Pertwee (3) but I had to vote for the first option due to my dislike of the current Doctor "whoever-ugly-talentless-guy-he-is" (11).
Lol. I'm not that down on Matt Smith, but that echoes my general sentiments.
QuoteIf you do start watching Doctor Who start anywhere except Tom Baker's later years, Colin Baker (6) or with the current one.
SF Debris just posted a "Doctor Who 101" video, and he suggests one of 4 starting points. His 2 primary recommendations are either with Eccleston's or Baker's first episodes. His other 2 choices were either Pertwee's first episode (which avoids the issue of missing episodes you get with the first 2 Doctors, but unfortunately the first 2 years of Pertwee's run were atypical of the show, what with him being stuck on contemporay Earth and not having use of the Tardis) or all the way back to the very first episode (which on one hand is a great way to do it, but it has some problems aside from the missing episodes--really cheesy effects at times, pacing, dialogue and plots written for audience sensibilities that are quite different from todays, plus the Hartnell version of the Doctor starts off awfully cranky and you might not find him very likable).
Quote from: dps on May 05, 2011, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on May 05, 2011, 02:33:40 PM
The question's not fair, as I rate Tennant (10) as the second best Doctor after Pertwee (3) but I had to vote for the first option due to my dislike of the current Doctor "whoever-ugly-talentless-guy-he-is" (11).
Lol. I'm not that down on Matt Smith, but that echoes my general sentiments.
QuoteIf you do start watching Doctor Who start anywhere except Tom Baker's later years, Colin Baker (6) or with the current one.
SF Debris just posted a "Doctor Who 101" video, and he suggests one of 4 starting points. His 2 primary recommendations are either with Eccleston's or Baker's first episodes. His other 2 choices were either Pertwee's first episode (which avoids the issue of missing episodes you get with the first 2 Doctors, but unfortunately the first 2 years of Pertwee's run were atypical of the show, what with him being stuck on contemporay Earth and not having use of the Tardis) or all the way back to the very first episode (which on one hand is a great way to do it, but it has some problems aside from the missing episodes--really cheesy effects at times, pacing, dialogue and plots written for audience sensibilities that are quite different from todays, plus the Hartnell version of the Doctor starts off awfully cranky and you might not find him very likable).
Way, way back in the day I would come home from school and watch Doctor Who on YTV. Unfortunately at some point they ran out of episodes, and had to start again back in the 60s.
Those early, early episodes were extremely painful to watch. It wasn't so much the bad special effects (I mean doctor who always had bad effects), it was just, so, boring...
Some day I'd like to go and start watching a whole crapload of back episodes of Doctor Who in order, but the decision where to start is a tough one. The show generally got better as you went through time, but then you miss so much of the backstory...
Tom Baker is Doctor Who.
On reflection, I think the best thing to do is to cherry-pick a few Troughton series (probably "Tomb of the Cybermen", "The Seeds of Death", and "The Wargames") and then start watching continuously from the start of the Pertwee era to the end of the Davison era; then you need to check reviews to cherry pick the best (Colin) Baker and McCoy stories, skip the "movie", and then watch continuously from Eccleston.
Troughton's "The Wargames" is essential to view simply because it explains why Pertwee is stuck on Earth for three seasons.
Quote from: Agelastus on May 05, 2011, 04:22:58 PM
On reflection, I think the best thing to do is to cherry-pick a few Troughton series (probably "Tomb of the Cybermen", "The Seeds of Death", and "The Wargames") and then start watching continuously from the start of the Pertwee era to the end of the Davison era; then you need to check reviews to cherry pick the best (Colin) Baker and McCoy stories, skip the "movie", and then watch continuously from Eccleston.
Troughton's "The Wargames" is essential to view simply because it explains why Pertwee is stuck on Earth for three seasons.
I liked Colin Baker and McCoy though. :huh:
Quote from: Barrister on May 05, 2011, 04:28:24 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on May 05, 2011, 04:22:58 PM
On reflection, I think the best thing to do is to cherry-pick a few Troughton series (probably "Tomb of the Cybermen", "The Seeds of Death", and "The Wargames") and then start watching continuously from the start of the Pertwee era to the end of the Davison era; then you need to check reviews to cherry pick the best (Colin) Baker and McCoy stories, skip the "movie", and then watch continuously from Eccleston.
Troughton's "The Wargames" is essential to view simply because it explains why Pertwee is stuck on Earth for three seasons.
I liked Colin Baker and McCoy though. :huh:
Each to their own... :huh:
Actually, although (Colin) Baker's "arrogant psycho in a scarf" interpretation of the part was awful, I quite like McCoy myself - unfortunately, the majority of the stories of his three seasons are crap. "Battlefield" and "The Curse of Fenric" are probably the only exceptions.
Quote from: Barrister on May 05, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
Some day I'd like to go and start watching a whole crapload of back episodes of Doctor Who in order, but the decision where to start is a tough one. The show generally got better as you went through time, but then you miss so much of the backstory...
You can rent Doctor Who on dvd and start with episode 1, "Unearthly Child".
I think watching through Dr.Who in order from some early period is something i'll have to do when I go away to the land of no British TV again. My childhood Who watching was very spotty with scatterings of episodes from all over the place - though mainly the 70s.
Quote from: Agelastus on May 05, 2011, 04:52:13 PM
Actually, although (Colin) Baker's "arrogant psycho in a scarf" interpretation of the part was awful
I don't think that was Baker's fault, though, so much as the writers and especially the showrunners. But, truth be told, I've seen very little of the 6th and 7th Doctors' runs--my local PBS station quit carrying the show partway through Davison's run.
Old series for me. Matt Smith is turning into one of my favorite Doctors, and one of the most versatile they've had on the show in a long time, but the scripts are still so self-referential and/or fanwanky and/or plain ol' goofy that it keeps the show from clearing the last hurdle as far as becoming my favorite.
Going with Pertwee as fave for now, BTW- the dude had more class than the rest of the Doctors rolled up together. Plus, Roger Delgado >>> John Simm as the Master.
Quote from: dps on May 06, 2011, 03:11:01 AM
I don't think that was Baker's fault, though, so much as the writers and especially the showrunners. But, truth be told, I've seen very little of the 6th and 7th Doctors' runs--my local PBS station quit carrying the show partway through Davison's run.
Nah, you pretty much nailed it. Same deal with McCoy- the "Cartmel Plan" went over like a wet fart in a church full of weeping mourners. The show might have still been going if they hadn't tried to run with it.
Baker, then Ecclestone.
So what do people think of the new series, series 6 largely set in the USA ?
I've downloaded it, legally, and I'm thinking of watching it.
Quote from: jamesww on May 15, 2011, 07:46:20 PM
So what do people think of the new series, series 6 largely set in the USA ?
I've downloaded it, legally, and I'm thinking of watching it.
The 1st episode, which was the first of a 2-parter, was very good, very creepy. Unfortunately, the 2nd part was a let-down IMO. About a third of it was great stuff, set in an abandoned orphanage, but otherwise it was too rushed. Really, I felt like there were a couple of parts missing. Also, it seemed like there was a lot of stuff that was just being set up for the future.
The 3rd episode I thought was very good, but most people seem to think was pretty weak. To me it actually felt more like classic Who that most of New Who.
The 4th episode I thought was kind meh. The dialogue was crisp, and the performances were good, but I thought that the story was a big letdown. I seem to be in the minority, though--most people seem to like it a lot better than I did.
I had high hopes for this week's Gaiman-penned episode, but it let me down :(
This week's episode was the Nu Who version of Threshold.
Quote from: jamesww on May 15, 2011, 07:46:20 PM
So what do people think of the new series, series 6 largely set in the USA ?
I've downloaded it, legally, and I'm thinking of watching it.
Utter crap.
Quote from: Agelastus on May 16, 2011, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: jamesww on May 15, 2011, 07:46:20 PM
So what do people think of the new series, series 6 largely set in the USA ?
I've downloaded it, legally, and I'm thinking of watching it.
Utter crap.
Going to have to agree with you. So far very disappointing. Did they change writers or something?
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 16, 2011, 12:01:32 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on May 16, 2011, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: jamesww on May 15, 2011, 07:46:20 PM
So what do people think of the new series, series 6 largely set in the USA ?
I've downloaded it, legally, and I'm thinking of watching it.
Utter crap.
Going to have to agree with you. So far very disappointing. Did they change writers or something?
Producer. Steven Moffat took over from Davies last year. To be fair to him he did write some of the best episodes of the Davies years (such as the superlative "Blink") but in my opinion his "style" does not work when applied to every episode week in, week out. Moreover he seems to be determined to try and top the already over-the-top season finales of Davies; last year this resulted in the series descending into completely illogical bilge water as it progressed. This year the rot has continued.
Quote from: Agelastus on May 16, 2011, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 16, 2011, 12:01:32 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on May 16, 2011, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: jamesww on May 15, 2011, 07:46:20 PM
So what do people think of the new series, series 6 largely set in the USA ?
I've downloaded it, legally, and I'm thinking of watching it.
Utter crap.
Going to have to agree with you. So far very disappointing. Did they change writers or something?
Producer. Steven Moffat took over from Davies last year. To be fair to him he did write some of the best episodes of the Davies years (such as the superlative "Blink") but in my opinion his "style" does not work when applied to every episode week in, week out. Moreover he seems to be determined to try and top the already over-the-top season finales of Davies; last year this resulted in the series descending into completely illogical bilge water as it progressed. This year the rot has continued.
While my view of Moffat probably isn't as negative as what you expressed in this post, I do agree with the general sentiment. There is way to much emphasis put on trying to top what went before as opposed to just telling good stories IMO.
Quote from: Agelastus on May 16, 2011, 12:08:03 PM
Producer. Steven Moffat took over from Davies last year. To be fair to him he did write some of the best episodes of the Davies years (such as the superlative "Blink") but in my opinion his "style" does not work when applied to every episode week in, week out. Moreover he seems to be determined to try and top the already over-the-top season finales of Davies; last year this resulted in the series descending into completely illogical bilge water as it progressed. This year the rot has continued.
So he's the Brannon Braga of British sci-fi?
:lol: neil
Quote from: Neil on May 16, 2011, 01:10:47 PM
So he's the Brannon Braga of British sci-fi?
Actually, that seems a pretty apt comparison. I enjoyed his stuff (The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Blink, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead) so much more when he was being kept in line with RTD. I enjoyed the Gaiman episode over the weekend, but I also thought it was overhyped and not the "BEST EPISODE EVAH!" the media blitz was making it out to be.
Quote from: Neil on May 16, 2011, 01:10:47 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on May 16, 2011, 12:08:03 PM
Producer. Steven Moffat took over from Davies last year. To be fair to him he did write some of the best episodes of the Davies years (such as the superlative "Blink") but in my opinion his "style" does not work when applied to every episode week in, week out. Moreover he seems to be determined to try and top the already over-the-top season finales of Davies; last year this resulted in the series descending into completely illogical bilge water as it progressed. This year the rot has continued.
So he's the Brannon Braga of British sci-fi?
Did Braga actually write any good episodes before his apotheosis? :hmm:
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 16, 2011, 03:01:42 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 16, 2011, 01:10:47 PM
So he's the Brannon Braga of British sci-fi?
Actually, that seems a pretty apt comparison. I enjoyed his stuff (The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Blink, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead) so much more when he was being kept in line with RTD. I enjoyed the Gaiman episode over the weekend, but I also thought it was overhyped and not the "BEST EPISODE EVAH!" the media blitz was making it out to be.
Steven Moffat - great writer (and on reflection I think the "Silence in the Library"/"Forest of the Dead" two parter may be better than "Blink" - and they
are the three standout episodes of "New Who") but crap producer.
What do you call the style of that episode?
Sort of...Victorian Tim Burtonish French revolutiony gothic.....god knows what. I've seen the style before, Sweeny Todd sort of had it (Idris put me very in mind of Helena Botham Carter), but can't place its origin.
Quote from: Agelastus on May 16, 2011, 03:25:01 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 16, 2011, 01:10:47 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on May 16, 2011, 12:08:03 PM
Producer. Steven Moffat took over from Davies last year. To be fair to him he did write some of the best episodes of the Davies years (such as the superlative "Blink") but in my opinion his "style" does not work when applied to every episode week in, week out. Moreover he seems to be determined to try and top the already over-the-top season finales of Davies; last year this resulted in the series descending into completely illogical bilge water as it progressed. This year the rot has continued.
So he's the Brannon Braga of British sci-fi?
Did Braga actually write any good episodes before his apotheosis? :hmm:
He was a staff writer on TNG and did the First Contact movie. So long as he had guys keeping him in line, he was alright. Then he showed what he could do on his own by driving Voyager off a cliff.
The rather nice northern lass who played Idris/the Tardis:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnationalspectator.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F03%2F20258_suranneslide2_459x61_97372a_122_252lo.jpg&hash=ec3491a8af50dd2a93cf298cdea26c21690bbfbc)
Not the best of photos, but google seems to emphasize her Corry characteristics. :hmm:
Quote from: Tyr on May 16, 2011, 05:27:44 PM
What do you call the style of that episode?
Sort of...Victorian Tim Burtonish French revolutiony gothic.....god knows what. I've seen the style before, Sweeny Todd sort of had it (Idris put me very in mind of Helena Botham Carter), but can't place its origin.
The asteroid setting seemed to have some elements of steampunk, but I don't think that's exactly right, either.
Quote from: mongers on May 17, 2011, 12:58:13 PM
The rather nice northern lass who played Idris/the Tardis:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnationalspectator.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F03%2F20258_suranneslide2_459x61_97372a_122_252lo.jpg&hash=ec3491a8af50dd2a93cf298cdea26c21690bbfbc)
Not the best of photos, but google seems to emphasize her Corry characteristics. :hmm:
What does her best photo look like?
She suffers from what I like to call 'weird English female nose'.
Nice boobs though. I bet they are fake. I'd need a touch test to confirm though.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 17, 2011, 05:51:05 PM
She suffers from what I like to call 'weird English female nose'.
Nice boobs though. I bet they are fake. I'd need a touch test to confirm though.
Funny. I didn't even notice that she had a nose.
Boobs are nice... but if they have English horse face, it is points off.
Agree with Ed. Great body shape, face not up to Hollywood standards.
:D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt3qZYUPi2Y&feature
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 16, 2011, 09:03:38 AM
:ph34r:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt3qZYUPi2Y&feature
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