I don't think I'm going to be a fan. :(
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Accidental action boobage potential is rising...
Who is that?
Not so hot.
Didn't know they were doing this, thought it'd been cancelled.
Quote from: garbon on March 31, 2011, 12:35:59 PM
I don't think I'm going to be a fan. :(
:console: You can always dig up your old outfit from high school & be your own Wonder Woman. I'm sure it still fits.
Quote from: Tyr on March 31, 2011, 12:45:57 PM
Who is that?
Not so hot.
Didn't know they were doing this, thought it'd been cancelled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrianne_Palicki
Quote from: derspiess on March 31, 2011, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 31, 2011, 12:35:59 PM
I don't think I'm going to be a fan. :(
:console: You can always dig up your old outfit from high school & be your own Wonder Woman. I'm sure it still fits.
I don't think I had any superhero costumes.
Sorry not flick, tv show.
:hmm:
Well, I approve. Based on the pic, I plan to watch & record every episode.
Quote from: derspiess on March 31, 2011, 01:39:49 PM
Well, I approve. Based on the pic, I plan to watch & record every episode.
With the sound off, right?
Quote from: derspiess on March 31, 2011, 01:39:49 PM
Well, I approve. Based on the pic, I plan to watch & record every episode.
:x
She looks like a thinner version of Rosie O'Donnell.
Any chick can look like shit when she's running. The still shot in Time looked pretty good.
What I don't get...why the trousers?
Quote from: Tyr on March 31, 2011, 06:18:55 PM
What I don't get...why the trousers?
Because running around in a bikini everywhere is ridiculous?
I predict this will be almost as good as the Birds of Prey series.
Superheros today need to be dark and at least slightly plausible.. going camp is just silly... if you are going to do wonder woman you really really need to get rid of the costume
Not even dark, but plausible yeah. The Age of Adam West and the Shazam Hour are over.
I don't think Wonder Woman would work as a "serious" series. Her whole background is ridiculous.
At least it isn't Ellen Page.
Quote from: garbon on March 31, 2011, 07:58:19 PM
I don't think Wonder Woman would work as a "serious" series. Her whole background is ridiculous.
Indeed, same would go for an Aquaman series.
Quote from: garbon on March 31, 2011, 07:58:19 PM
I don't think Wonder Woman would work as a "serious" series. Her whole background is ridiculous.
The list of superheros without ridiculous backgrounds is rather low, yet that does not stop people from making serious movies/shows about them.
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Quote from: garbon on March 31, 2011, 07:58:19 PM
I don't think Wonder Woman would work as a "serious" series. Her whole background is ridiculous.
The list of superheros without ridiculous backgrounds is rather low, yet that does not stop people from making serious movies/shows about them.
Well, even Superman is ridiculous.
However...Superman is ridiculous but workable. Wonder Woman is ridiculous, but silly.
The only reason Wonder Woman is plausible, as a tv series, is big tits.
But then, the Hercules/Xena series's worked for a while....but this isn't the 90's anymore.
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 31, 2011, 08:03:14 PM
Wonder Woman is ridiculous, but silly.
:yes:
So if you leave out the camp and make it serious, you've pretty much made a whole new character.
Actually Wonder Woman seems perfect for a Xena-like series.
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 31, 2011, 08:05:10 PM
But then, the Hercules/Xena series's worked for a while....but this isn't the 90's anymore.
That's exactly what I was going to say. :hug:
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 31, 2011, 08:03:14 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 31, 2011, 08:01:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 31, 2011, 07:58:19 PM
I don't think Wonder Woman would work as a "serious" series. Her whole background is ridiculous.
The list of superheros without ridiculous backgrounds is rather low, yet that does not stop people from making serious movies/shows about them.
Well, even Superman is ridiculous.
However...Superman is ridiculous but workable. Wonder Woman is ridiculous, but silly.
Why? Aside from sexism?
Quote from: garbon on March 31, 2011, 07:58:19 PM
I don't think Wonder Woman would work as a "serious" series. Her whole background is ridiculous.
I agree. Which is why this will bomb whether they make it camp or as gritty as Battlestar Galactica.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 31, 2011, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 31, 2011, 08:03:14 PM
Well, even Superman is ridiculous.
However...Superman is ridiculous but workable. Wonder Woman is ridiculous, but silly.
Why? Aside from sexism?
Don't discount the importance of sexism. :P
But really, the magic bracelets and invisible plane do seem a bit goofier than innate superpowers.
Don't forget the lasso of truth.
A Sailor Moon movie would be about as ridiculous.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 31, 2011, 08:27:30 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 31, 2011, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 31, 2011, 08:03:14 PM
Well, even Superman is ridiculous.
However...Superman is ridiculous but workable. Wonder Woman is ridiculous, but silly.
Why? Aside from sexism?
Don't discount the importance of sexism. :P
But really, the magic bracelets and invisible plane do seem a bit goofier than innate superpowers.
She has plenty of natural superpowers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman#Post-Crisis
Wonder Woman's body is a mystical creation made from the clay surrounding Themyscira. Through divine means, her disembodied soul was nurtured in and retrieved from the Cavern of Souls.[24] Once the soul was placed into the body, it immediately came to life and was blessed with metahuman abilities by six Olympian deities.
Demeter, the goddess of agriculture and fertility, blessed Diana with strength drawn from the Earth spirit Gaea, making her one of the physically strongest heroes in the DC Universe.[25] She has been observed assisting in preventing large chunks of the Moon from crashing onto the Earth,[26] supporting the weight of bridges,[27] or hefting entire railroad trains.[27] Although stated as at least somewhat physically weaker and slower than, for example, Power Girl, Diana's superior warrior training more than makes up for it, and through this advantage she is able to overpower either Kara,[28] or her counterpart Supergirl.[29]
While not invulnerable, she is capable of withstanding great concussive force,[25] shrugging off high-powered rifle fire with some pain but little injury,[30] being knocked through a building, and even surviving a warp-core explosion.[31] She is durable enough to survive the rigors of space until she runs out of breath. While her superhuman strength affords her great resistance to blunt-force trauma, her skin can be cut by weapons if they are sharp enough. Her muscles do not produce lactic acids, giving her great stamina. This allowed her to once battle a clone of Doomsday.
Aphrodite, the goddess of love and beauty, blessed Diana with great beauty and a loving heart.
Pallas Athena, the goddess of wisdom and war, granted Diana great wisdom, intelligence, and military prowess. Athena's gift has enabled Diana to master over a dozen languages (including those of alien origin), multiple complex crafts, sciences and philosophies, as well as leadership, military strategy, and armed and unarmed combat. She can mimic voices, although it is more difficult for her to mimic a man's voice. More recently, Athena bound her own eyesight to Diana's, granting her increased empathy.[32]
Artemis, goddess of the hunt, animals, and the Moon, graced Diana with the Eyes of the Hunter and Unity with Beasts. The Eyes of the Hunter ability gives Diana a full range of enhanced senses, including enhanced sight and hearing. Unity with Beasts grants her the ability to communicate with all forms of animal life and to calm even the most ferocious of beasts.[27]
Hestia, goddess of hearth and home, granted Diana "sisterhood with fire, that it might open men's hearts to her." This power has been shown to control the "Fires of Truth," which Diana wields through her lasso, making anyone bound by it unable to lie. This ability also grants her resistance to both normal and supernatural fire.[citation needed]
Hermes, the messenger god of speed, granted Diana superhuman speed and the ability to fly. By concentrating, Diana can mystically defy the laws of gravity and propel herself through the air to achieve flight. She is capable of flying at speeds approaching half the speed of light.[25] She is swift enough to deflect bullets, lasers, and other projectiles with her virtually impenetrable bracelets. Her brain can process information at an incredibly fast rate.
Diana possesses the ability to relieve her body of physical injury and toxins by becoming one with the Earth's soil and then reforming her body whole again.[33] During John Byrne's run, it was stated that this is a ritual so sacred that it is used only in the most dire of circumstances.[34]
She is able to astrally project herself into various lands of myth.[35] Her physical body reacts to whatever happens to her on the mythical astral plane, leaving her body cut, bruised, or sometimes strengthened once her mind and body are reunited. She can apparently leave the planet through meditation, and did this once to rescue Artemis while she was in hell.
As for the invisible plane it's not really that big a deal these days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_plane#Current_history
I'd think her magic lasso of BDSM would be a much bigger objection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lasso_of_Truth
I guess Dark Angel was a series featuring a "superoheroine" in a sort of gritty setting/plot but even it got by a lot on campy humor.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 31, 2011, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 31, 2011, 08:03:14 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 31, 2011, 08:01:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 31, 2011, 07:58:19 PM
I don't think Wonder Woman would work as a "serious" series. Her whole background is ridiculous.
The list of superheros without ridiculous backgrounds is rather low, yet that does not stop people from making serious movies/shows about them.
Well, even Superman is ridiculous.
However...Superman is ridiculous but workable. Wonder Woman is ridiculous, but silly.
Why? Aside from sexism?
Sexism to defend Wonder Woman?
I'm pretty sure the number of comic superhero females that don't utilize a heavy exploitation of sex appeal is very tiny. And while sure, the males are often done in the same way...they're also not wearing banana-hammocks and trying to appeal to a fan base of teenage girls and their masturbation fantasies.
I approve of this thread. :perv: + :nerd: = :)
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 31, 2011, 09:03:37 PM
Sexism to defend Wonder Woman?
I'm pretty sure the number of comic superhero females that don't utilize a heavy exploitation of sex appeal is very tiny. And while sure, the males are often done in the same way...they're also not wearing banana-hammocks and trying to appeal to a fan base of teenage girls and their masturbation fantasies.
I'm just saying that male Superheros with ridiculous back stories are given a pass, but women aren't. I don't remember all this crying about ridiculous back stories when "Thor" got green lit, just bitching that one of the Norse gods was played by a black guy.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 31, 2011, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 31, 2011, 09:03:37 PM
Sexism to defend Wonder Woman?
I'm pretty sure the number of comic superhero females that don't utilize a heavy exploitation of sex appeal is very tiny. And while sure, the males are often done in the same way...they're also not wearing banana-hammocks and trying to appeal to a fan base of teenage girls and their masturbation fantasies.
I'm just saying that male Superheros with ridiculous back stories are given a pass, but women aren't. I don't remember all this crying about ridiculous back stories when "Thor" got green lit, just bitching that one of the Norse gods was played by a black guy.
The back story is the least offensive part...actually not at all. Nothing more silly about WW's Greek mythology background than Superman's alien one. In fact, arguably less so.
I'm thinking more name/costume/theme. In that sense, Thor is rather silly too, especially the comic portrayal.
Superman actually, would be rather silly if made today, but he gets a pass for being an American classic.
The Thor costume from the movie is a toned down version of the comic book one, the wonder woman one isn't. Thor went dark in the imagery. I personally think the free will issue related to the lasso might make for some interesting plotlines for a character that is a lawyer. Regarding her costume though, it does look like one of her boobs might pop out at any time.
Actually the Wonder Woman costume is pretty close to the current one in the comics.
Quote from: Viking on March 31, 2011, 06:43:50 PM
if you are going to do wonder woman you really really need to get rid of the costume
I'm on board with that. :perv:
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2011, 03:37:57 AM
Actually the Wonder Woman costume is pretty close to the current one in the comics.
Indeed:
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And they should include some bondage scenes, for old times sake:
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Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2011, 03:37:57 AM
Actually the Wonder Woman costume is pretty close to the current one in the comics.
Um, from the pics below...no.
Comic looks alright.
Tv show looks like gaudy 70/80's prostitute costume.
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 01, 2011, 08:12:23 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2011, 03:37:57 AM
Actually the Wonder Woman costume is pretty close to the current one in the comics.
Um, from the pics below...no.
Comic looks alright.
Tv show looks like gaudy 70/80's prostitute costume.
?
Tonitrus likes to pay prostitutes to dress up as Wonder Woman?
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2011, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 01, 2011, 08:12:23 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2011, 03:37:57 AM
Actually the Wonder Woman costume is pretty close to the current one in the comics.
Um, from the pics below...no.
Comic looks alright.
Tv show looks like gaudy 70/80's prostitute costume.
?
I don't think they really look alike at all? That wasn't clear?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 01, 2011, 08:31:22 PM
Tonitrus likes to pay prostitutes to dress up as Wonder Woman?
Do you happen to know any?
Less it is less gaudy with all the special tv lighting, it looks like a halloween costume.
Well the pics that Garbon posted to start thread are different from the one Larchie used.
They changed the pants because of the calls of Halloween costume.
And Toni is clearly delusional if he doesn't see the similarity from the current costume and the one debuted in comics by grumbler's favorite writer.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 31, 2011, 08:38:39 PM
A Sailor Moon movie would be about as ridiculous.
There was a live action Sailor Moon series. I've seen some episodes and that might actually be the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I don't remember the Wonder Woman TV show all that well, but I'm sure it was nowhere near that ridiculous.
I don't understand how you could make a movie based on an anime. Where are you going to find a cast of 13 year old girls with double E breasts and legs four feet long?
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
I don't understand how you could make a movie based on an anime. Where are you going to find a cast of 13 year old girls with double E breasts and legs four feet long?
The resemblances generally stop at weird-colored-hair. See: Death Note, Battle Royale.
I watched the live action Casshern movie in HD once. Never did a movie leave me so physically exhausted. All style, no substance, and 140 minutes of video clip style fast editing.
Was gorgeous to look at, though.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
I don't understand how you could make a movie based on an anime. Where are you going to find a cast of 13 year old girls with double E breasts and legs four feet long?
Disney has an army of them they created by eugenics. The early models (Lindsey Lohan, Britney Spears) proved unstable but soon they'll have all the bugs worked out and the world will be theirs.
She's cute, but the costume is still awful. And it should have been written by Joss Whedon :D
Open letter to David E. Kelly
(http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=635189)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 31, 2011, 08:13:43 PM
Why? Aside from sexism?
Wonder Woman, more than the other heroes from the era, is a product of the time of her creation (1940's America.) A Super Heroine was something completely different than anything anyone had seen; women in action movies or serials were the love interest or the spunky gal sidekick. She had to be from a completely different culture than any that existed on earth, but making her from outer space would have made her too much like Super Man. The Amazon back story, in my opinion, works out well since she has to defy the traditions of her own culture by coming to the world of men and also defy the authority figure; her mother the queen. This is a crucial part of her character since she's an outsider in the world of men and must continually defy the norms of that culture.
There are some goofy stories, but as a whole golden age Wonder Woman works well. Filthy Nazi spies were constantly threatening America and Wonder Woman had a knack for rooting them out. Bruce Wayne pretends to be a wastrel, Clark Kent pretends to be a coward, but Diana Princess has brains, moxy and gams; her alter ego is free to be true to herself since no one would expect anything more out of a woman. This further helped her since a woman is usually regarded as unthreatening by the filthy Nazis. She works as a secretary who is in love with her boss (as all fictional secretaries in the era were, it was a rule) but her boss is in love with Wonder Woman setting up an odd love triangle.
The problem that she faces now is that society has changed in the past 65 years; being a super heroine alone isn't so remarkable. She's not in the world of men in the sense she was in the golden age; that then draws attention to the silliness of her background story. Comic books have also evolved since then and the more realistic powers other heroes have (so far as comic book super heroes can be realistic) draws attention to the silliness of hers.
In my opinion it would work best if they would set the new series during the Second World War the way the first season of the original series was. Setting it in present day may prove more problematic, but maybe they can set up enough suspension of disbelief to make it work.
Quote from: Savonarola on April 04, 2011, 05:36:07 PM
The problem that she faces now is that society has changed in the past 65 years; being a super heroine alone isn't so remarkable. She's not in the world of men in the sense she was in the golden age; that then draws attention to the silliness of her background story. Comic books have also evolved since then and the more realistic powers other heroes have (so far as comic book super heroes can be realistic) draws attention to the silliness of hers.
Aside from the lasso what's so silly about her powers? She's one of the most powerful heroes in the DC Universe.
You write real purty for an engineer Sav.
Well, all superheroes are silly. I mean look at Superman. He's an alien (yet looks human). He one of the last survivors of his race, but since that race was a space faring one presumably lots of them should have survived. Yet they don't. The yellow sun is traditionally what makes Superman super, so why wouldn't there be a mass migration to solar systems with yellow suns? It's not something you should really worry to much about cause it's a comic book.
Quote from: viper37 on April 04, 2011, 05:34:32 PM
She's cute, but the costume is still awful. And it should have been written by Joss Whedon :D
Open letter to David E. Kelly
(http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=635189)
I don't get all the Joss Whedon love.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 04, 2011, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 04, 2011, 05:36:07 PM
The problem that she faces now is that society has changed in the past 65 years; being a super heroine alone isn't so remarkable. She's not in the world of men in the sense she was in the golden age; that then draws attention to the silliness of her background story. Comic books have also evolved since then and the more realistic powers other heroes have (so far as comic book super heroes can be realistic) draws attention to the silliness of hers.
Aside from the lasso what's so silly about her powers? She's one of the most powerful heroes in the DC Universe.
Well there is the invisible airplane.
She is too fat.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2011, 05:50:45 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 04, 2011, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 04, 2011, 05:36:07 PM
The problem that she faces now is that society has changed in the past 65 years; being a super heroine alone isn't so remarkable. She's not in the world of men in the sense she was in the golden age; that then draws attention to the silliness of her background story. Comic books have also evolved since then and the more realistic powers other heroes have (so far as comic book super heroes can be realistic) draws attention to the silliness of hers.
Aside from the lasso what's so silly about her powers? She's one of the most powerful heroes in the DC Universe.
Well there is the invisible airplane.
These days it's just a spoil of war from some aliens or evil alternate dimension batman depending on the story. She almost never uses it because she can fly.
Why wonder woman instead of supergirl?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 04, 2011, 06:23:05 PM
These days it's just a spoil of war from some aliens or evil alternate dimension batman depending on the story. She almost never uses it because she can fly.
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And none of that sounds silly to you?
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2011, 06:49:19 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 04, 2011, 06:23:05 PM
These days it's just a spoil of war from some aliens or evil alternate dimension batman depending on the story. She almost never uses it because she can fly.
And none of that sounds silly to you?
Of course not.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2011, 05:50:15 PM
Quote from: viper37 on April 04, 2011, 05:34:32 PM
She's cute, but the costume is still awful. And it should have been written by Joss Whedon :D
Open letter to David E. Kelly
(http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=635189)
I don't get all the Joss Whedon love.
He makes even teh stupidest and lamest concepts fun and entertaining - and occasionally dramatic. In a good way.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2011, 05:47:57 PM
Well, all superheroes are silly. I mean look at Superman. He's an alien (yet looks human). He one of the last survivors of his race, but since that race was a space faring one presumably lots of them should have survived. Yet they don't. The yellow sun is traditionally what makes Superman super, so why wouldn't there be a mass migration to solar systems with yellow suns? It's not something you should really worry to much about cause it's a comic book.
The point I was trying to make wasn't that Wonder Woman's origin was more silly than another super heroes; rather that as gender roles have changed the character of Wonder Woman isn't as extraordinary as she was during the golden age. This makes the character weaker and draws attention to her flaws.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 04, 2011, 05:39:22 PM
Aside from the lasso what's so silly about her powers? She's one of the most powerful heroes in the DC Universe.
The Lasso of Truth is specifically what I had in mind as well as the invisible jet. The bracelets too, they may not appear silly at fist; but that Amazons play "Bullets and Bracelets" where they take turn shooting guns at one another highlights why the concept is ludicrous.
I seem to be operating from a flawed premise here, though. What is it that you find so appealing about Wonder Woman, Tim? I mean more so than another strong woman heroine like Super Girl or Hawk Girl?
Quote from: Savonarola on April 04, 2011, 07:42:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 04, 2011, 05:39:22 PM
Aside from the lasso what's so silly about her powers? She's one of the most powerful heroes in the DC Universe.
The Lasso of Truth is specifically what I had in mind as well as the invisible jet. The bracelets too, they may not appear silly at fist; but that Amazons play "Bullets and Bracelets" where they take turn shooting guns at one another highlights why the concept is ludicrous.
I seem to be operating from a flawed premise here, though. What is it that you find so appealing about Wonder Woman, Tim? I mean more so than another strong woman heroine like Super Girl or Hawk Girl?
Love Greek mythology, so I love her back story. She's also willing to kill people unlike Batman and Superman.
Super Girl's just a female knockoff of Superman, Power Girl is literally Super Girl from another dimension, Hawk Girl... seriously? :rolleyes:
I like Zatanna and Black Canary. Not really a fan of other DC girls.
What's wrong with Hawkgirl/woman? :mad:
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 05, 2011, 01:09:03 AM
What's wrong with Hawkgirl/woman? :mad:
I just think the concept is lame.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 04, 2011, 07:08:24 PM
He makes even teh stupidest and lamest concepts fun and entertaining - and occasionally dramatic. In a good way.
I don't think there is anyone better at dialogue in the business. His plotting and storytelling aren't the same caliber, alas.
Quote from: grumbler on April 05, 2011, 11:15:19 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 04, 2011, 07:08:24 PM
He makes even teh stupidest and lamest concepts fun and entertaining - and occasionally dramatic. In a good way.
I don't think there is anyone better at dialogue in the business. His plotting and storytelling aren't the same caliber, alas.
Yeah, pair him with JMS and it would be gold.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 31, 2011, 06:31:56 PM
I predict this will be almost as good as the Birds of Prey series.
:yes:
For Whedon I think I lot of it is focus. When he concentrates on an episode or series it can be brilliant beyond just the dialogue. A great example is the Buffy episode Hush which has very little dialogue but is thoroughly entertaining even if a bit predictable. Unfortunately he has a tendency to get distracted and let his ideas get away from him.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 05, 2011, 11:41:00 AM
Yeah, pair him with JMS and it would be gold.
Agreed. They complement each other very well. JMS for the story and production, Whedon for dialogue and direction.
Quote from: frunk on April 05, 2011, 11:52:52 AM
For Whedon I think I lot of it is focus. When he concentrates on an episode or series it can be brilliant beyond just the dialogue. A great example is the Buffy episode Hush which has very little dialogue but is thoroughly entertaining even if a bit predictable. Unfortunately he has a tendency to get distracted and let his ideas get away from him.
Yes, I think he is great at the "tactics" of TV, but not so much the strategy. That worked for Buffy, but not anything since.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 05, 2011, 12:04:49 AM
Love Greek mythology, so I love her back story. She's also willing to kill people unlike Batman and Superman.
Super Girl's just a female knockoff of Superman, Power Girl is literally Super Girl from another dimension, Hawk Girl... seriously? :rolleyes:
I like Zatanna and Black Canary. Not really a fan of other DC girls.
The character Super Girl is fundamentally different from Super Man in that she grew up on Krypton and suffered the loss of her entire civilization; while Super Man came to earth as an infant - he's an outsider because of his super powers but didn't suffer the loss as she did. Also Super Girl lives in the shadow of Super Man and must try to establish her own identity. Plus she has a horse:
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What is it that you think is lame about Hawk Girl?
Quote from: grumbler on April 05, 2011, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 05, 2011, 11:41:00 AM
Yeah, pair him with JMS and it would be gold.
Agreed. They complement each other very well. JMS for the story and production, Whedon for dialogue and direction.
JMS always struck me as weak on dialogue. So it would be a great team.
Quote from: grumbler on April 05, 2011, 12:18:00 PM
Yes, I think he is great at the "tactics" of TV, but not so much the strategy. That worked for Buffy, but not anything since.
Angel was very good, mostly. Other shows were cancelled early, it's hard to tell.
Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2011, 12:50:42 PM
AngelCharisma Carpenter was very good, mostly. Other shows were cancelled early, it's hard to tell.
:perv:
Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2011, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 05, 2011, 12:18:00 PM
Yes, I think he is great at the "tactics" of TV, but not so much the strategy. That worked for Buffy, but not anything since.
Angel was very good, mostly. Other shows were cancelled early, it's hard to tell.
I think of Angel as being part of Buffy. Both parts of the series were good, I thought, though, from what I saw.
There is a reason why the others didn't last.
Quote from: grumbler on April 06, 2011, 01:33:32 PM
There is a reason why the others didn't last.
Had B5 been on Fox, it would have been cancelled before the end of the 1st season. Many of these episodes were very weak (TKO and Infection among others), and those that were good only truly shine once you know what comes after that.
Firefly was an excellent series. It should not have been cancelled.
Dollhouse had weak moments, and you can trace the difficulties of the show around the writer's strike, IIRC. And Fox moving/pre-hempting episodes, as usual. Same with Terminator, but that's not Whedon.
As I said, had JMS worked for Fox instead of Warner, B5 would never have existed in this way. Just look at what happenned with Crusade. Knowing JMS, you really think Crusade deserved its fate?
Quote from: Caliga on April 06, 2011, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2011, 12:50:42 PM
AngelCharisma Carpenter was very good, mostly. Other shows were cancelled early, it's hard to tell.
:perv:
this post is worthless without pics ;) :D
Fred > Cordy
Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2011, 01:55:05 PM
Had B5 been on Fox, it would have been cancelled before the end of the 1st season. Many of these episodes were very weak (TKO and Infection among others), and those that were good only truly shine once you know what comes after that.
Firefly was an excellent series. It should not have been cancelled.
Dollhouse had weak moments, and you can trace the difficulties of the show around the writer's strike, IIRC. And Fox moving/pre-hempting episodes, as usual. Same with Terminator, but that's not Whedon.
As I said, had JMS worked for Fox instead of Warner, B5 would never have existed in this way. Just look at what happenned with Crusade. Knowing JMS, you really think Crusade deserved its fate?
Nice red herring. What does Crusade of B5 have to do with Whedon's weakness at putting together a compelling show since Buffy/Angel?
If your aunt had had balls, she would have been your uncle.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 06, 2011, 02:28:27 PM
Fred > Cordy
Is that the chick who was a giant nerd when introduced in the show and suddenly became HOTT later? My memory of this show is starting to fade...
Quote from: Caliga on April 06, 2011, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 06, 2011, 02:28:27 PM
Fred > Cordy
Is that the chick who was a giant nerd when introduced in the show and suddenly became HOTT later? My memory of this show is starting to fade...
Amy Acker iirc, but, seriously... I wouldn't kick Amy Acker out of my bed, but Carpenter is Internett HOTT.
Quote from: Viking on April 06, 2011, 02:59:35 PM
Amy Acker iirc, but, seriously... I wouldn't kick Amy Acker out of my bed, but Carpenter is Internett HOTT.
Playboy HOTT actually. Hef got her to pose.
But Amy Acker is more my style. She's awesome.
Quote from: grumbler on April 06, 2011, 02:33:30 PM
Nice red herring. What does Crusade of B5 have to do with Whedon's weakness at putting together a compelling show since Buffy/Angel?
I disagree with you implied assertion that Joss Whedon produces poorly written shows and that would be the only, or main cause for their early disapearance from tv.
The success or failure of a TV show goes beyond the simple good or bad writing of the show. Voyager ran for 7 years on TV. That's 2 more than B5. There never was any threat of cancelling Voyager. It must mean that Voyager is better written than any other sci-fi series, save for TNG, DS9 and Stargate SG1.
You make simplistic assumptions based on your personal and very restrictive preferences. I don't think I remember seeing you appreciate a tv show since B5 ended. There are other writers in the universe beside JMS, you know ;)
Whedon certainly is very good at finding and cultivating talent. Especially hott babes.
Did you know his father and grandfather were also TV writers? Dad wrote Rockford Files and granddad wrote for Donna Reed and the Dick Van Dyke Show.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 06, 2011, 03:40:08 PM
Did you know his father and grandfather were also TV writers? Dad wrote Rockford Files and granddad wrote for Donna Reed and the Dick Van Dyke Show.
had no idea, and I don't even know these shows :D
I've started watching english tv only in my teens, c.a. 1986, IIRC, and that was mostly comics at first, then Star Trek since I had problems understanding the rest of the tv shows.
Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2011, 03:35:30 PM
I disagree with made up your implied assertion that Joss Whedon produces poorly written shows and that would be the only, or main cause for their early disapearance from tv.
Fixed your post. This stawman is far from my position.
QuoteThe success or failure of a TV show goes beyond the simple good or bad writing of the show. Voyager ran for 7 years on TV. That's 2 more than B5. There never was any threat of cancelling Voyager. It must mean that Voyager is better written than any other sci-fi series, save for TNG, DS9 and Stargate SG1.
An interesting argument, but I doubt that it holds water, since the success or failure of a TV show goes beyond the simple good or bad writing of the show, as you noted when you started this bit of oxymoronic "reasoning."
QuoteYou make simplistic assumptions based on your personal and very restrictive preferences. I don't think I remember seeing you appreciate a tv show since B5 ended. There are other writers in the universe beside JMS, you know ;)
I dare say the evidence is crystal-clear which of us is making simplistic assumptions about which shows are "better-written than any other sci-fi series, save for TNG, DS9 and Stargate SG1." Your crappy memory is not my responsibility, so don't blame
me for what you cannot remember. Given that my own argument is that Whedon writes better characters and dialogue than JMS, I'd say you have your head up your ass and are looking at this thread through your bellybutton.
If you ever get you head out of your ass, you might want to use it to consider if maybe Whedon has some flaws like everyone else. Three flops in a row are not unheard-of in the business, but maybe are some cause for re-examination of basic assumptions.
Quote from: grumbler on April 06, 2011, 06:32:10 PMsince the success or failure of a TV show goes beyond the simple good or bad writing of the show
Exibit B: Grace Under Fire lasted 5 seasons.
Quote from: The Larch on April 01, 2011, 06:16:28 AM
Indeed:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F0%2F06%2FAdrianne_Palicki_as_Wonder_Woman.jpg&hash=a87d8839eb8af106858a563ff34bea8574330ca6)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F4%2F42%2FWonder_Woman_by_Don_Kramer.jpg&hash=41d3920985ef2cd572b610bb199b1bc016d0e189)
What shocks me here is that the comic book WW actually looks more physically capable than the actress. WW looks like a standard comic book heroine, whereas the actress has pipe-cleaners for arms. It's interesting because I remember the Image revolution in the 90s and watching comic book art produce women that seemed too skinny to function, while maintaining their huge busts. It seems like real life has one-upped comic books in that regard.
That arm in the photo looks like a bad air brushing job. Her arm doesn't look as toothpick like in the photos that I'd posted.
Quote from: grumbler on April 06, 2011, 06:32:10 PM
If you ever get you head out of your ass, you might want to use it to consider if maybe Whedon has some flaws like everyone else. Three flops in a row are not unheard-of in the business, but maybe are some cause for re-examination of basic assumptions.
that's beside the point. I love JMS, but since Babylon 5, he hasn't produced any interesting tv series or movies. I'm going to see Thor mainly because he's the writer.
So, what are these tv shows you liked since B5 ended?
She is too fat.
Quote from: Siege on April 06, 2011, 08:43:42 PM
She is too fat.
she's older than 12, I'll give you that.
Seeb, if her waist were any smaller she'd have to eat peas one at a time.
Quote from: viper37 on April 06, 2011, 07:34:56 PM
that's beside the point.
It seems to be your point. If we aren't talking about Joss Whedon, what are we talking about?
QuoteI love JMS, but since Babylon 5, he hasn't produced any interesting tv series or movies.
JMS hasn't
tried to produce any TV sries or movies in years. He is too busy writing. that's what he is; a writer. He's done Changeling, Thor, Ninja Assassin, World War Z, a coupla Murder She Wrote scripts, something that looks pretty campy called Underworld: New Dawn, and some other stuff. He is definitely an A-list writer, whether you want him to be or not.
QuoteSo, what are these tv shows you liked since B5 ended?
Your memory is so crappy you'd forget what I told you even if I had the inclination to perform on demand. Look at some of the threads on TV shows, and you will find my comments.
I must be too old, but I remember wonder woman as being a bit naff, the only plus points being, well the plus points. :D
Quote from: grumbler on April 07, 2011, 06:28:49 AM
He is too busy writing. that's what he is; a writer. He's done Changeling, Thor, Ninja Assassin, World War Z, a coupla Murder She Wrote scripts, something that looks pretty campy called Underworld: New Dawn, and some other stuff. He is definitely an A-list writer, whether you want him to be or not.
First, when I said "produced", I meant it in the larger sense, i.e. including writing most of the script, not simply having the title "Producer".
World War Z and Underworld have not been made into films yet.
Thor is not yet released and I did told you I would see it because he's writing the script.
Murder She Wrote is boring.
I haven't seen Changeling but I hear it's good.
Ninja Assassin was a fun bd flick, nothing extraordinary.
I never said he wasn't a good writer, I said he ain't the only good writer in the universe, and I disagreed with your statement that Whedon's shows got cancelled because of poor writing. If that's not what you meant when you said "there is a reason why all his shows get cancelled", than explain, instead of dodging the questions asked.
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Your memory is so crappy you'd forget what I told you even if I had the inclination to perform on demand. Look at some of the threads on TV shows, and you will find my comments.
as I suspected, you are, again, arguing for the sake of arguing, without any kind of arguments.
Murder She Wrote :wub:
Changeling :wub:
Though not sure if any of those listed titles really marks one as an A-list writer.
Quote from: garbon on April 07, 2011, 02:58:06 PM
Murder She Wrote :wub:
I liked the episode where someone got killed in Cabot Cove and Jessica solved the murder. :)
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2011, 03:14:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 07, 2011, 02:58:06 PM
Murder She Wrote :wub:
I liked the episode where someone got killed in Cabot Cove and Jessica solved the murder. :)
:P
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2011, 03:14:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 07, 2011, 02:58:06 PM
Murder She Wrote :wub:
I liked the episode where someone got killed in Cabot Cove and Jessica solved the murder. :)
I like the one where the guest star did it.
Quote from: Viking on April 07, 2011, 03:26:02 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2011, 03:14:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 07, 2011, 02:58:06 PM
Murder She Wrote :wub:
I liked the episode where someone got killed in Cabot Cove and Jessica solved the murder. :)
I like the one where the guest star did it.
In violent deaths per capita, Cabot Cove is worse than Stalingrad.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 07, 2011, 03:28:05 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 07, 2011, 03:26:02 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 07, 2011, 03:14:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 07, 2011, 02:58:06 PM
Murder She Wrote :wub:
I liked the episode where someone got killed in Cabot Cove and Jessica solved the murder. :)
I like the one where the guest star did it.
In violent deaths per capita, Cabot Cove is worse than Stalingrad.
It reminded me of Stephen King's Castlerock. This idyllic small town that has some dark quality that drives 3 out of 5 of its inhabitants to murder.
I still say SuperGirl would have been a better investment.
Quote from: viper37 on April 07, 2011, 02:38:51 PM
First, when I said "produced", I meant it in the larger sense, i.e. including writing most of the script, not simply having the title "Producer".
Fisrt, in that case JMS has "produced" a large number of very highly regarded scripts.
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World War Z and Underworld have not been made into films yet.
This would only be a meaningful comment if "produced" meant "producer," which you say it doesn't. Whether something is a movie yet doesn't depend on the writer, but the Producer.
QuoteThor is not yet released and I did told you I would see it because he's writing the script.
Not relevant.
QuoteMurder She Wrote is boring.
Now you are just being argumentative. I'll bet you haven't even seen the movies JMS wrote.
QuoteI haven't seen Changeling but I hear it's good.
Ninja Assassin was a fun bd flick, nothing extraordinary.
None of this seems relevant to anything.
QuoteI never said he wasn't a good writer, I said he ain't the only good writer in the universe,
Well, I guess you are all set to counter the claim that JMS is the only writer in the universe, if that claim is ever made. That's just a strawman for now, though.
Quoteand I disagreed with your statement that Whedon's shows got cancelled because of poor writing.
Since that's not what I said, this is another strawman.
QuoteIf that's not what you meant when you said "there is a reason why all his shows get cancelled", than explain, instead of dodging the questions asked.
I said why his shows got cancelled and his movies flopped: because he is great at writing dialogue and characters ("the "tactics" of the genre) but not so good at the stories and the character development (the "strategy"). If you don't get it, then you don't get it.
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Your memory is so crappy you'd forget what I told you even if I had the inclination to perform on demand. Look at some of the threads on TV shows, and you will find my comments.
as I suspected, you are, again, arguing for the sake of arguing, without any kind of arguments.
This isn't an argument at all. It is a statement: I don't perform on demand, and you admit that you have such a shitty memory you cannot even remember recent discussions here in which i have praised shows. Neither of these statements are at all controversial and so there are no arguments to be made.