http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100079703/why-is-there-no-looting-in-japan/
QuoteThe landscape of parts of Japan looks like the aftermath of World War Two; no industrialised country since then has suffered such a death toll. The one tiny, tiny consolation is the extent to which it shows how humanity can rally round in times of adversity, with heroic British rescue teams joining colleagues from the US and elsewhere to fly out. And solidarity seems especially strong in Japan itself. Perhaps even more impressive than Japan's technological power is its social strength, with supermarkets cutting prices and vending machine owners giving out free drinks as people work together to survive. Most noticeably of all, there has been no looting, and I'm not the only one curious about this (http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1472&bih=634&q=why%20no%20looting%20japan&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw).
This is quite unusual among human cultures, and it's unlikely it would be the case in Britain. During the 2007 floods in the West Country (http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2011/03/dont-these-reactors-have-control-rods.html) abandoned cars were broken into and free packs of bottled water were stolen. There was looting in Chile after the earthquake last year – so much so that troops were sent in; in New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina saw looting on a shocking scale.
Why do some cultures react to disaster by reverting to everyone for himself, but others – especially the Japanese – display altruism even in adversity?
When they ask me, "Why'd you do it, Slargos? Why'd you post that thread? Are you some sort of racism junkie?" I won't say a goddamned thing, because they won't understand.
Looting in the West Country - an area known for its ethnic diversity. :D
There isn't any blacks or arabs in Chile either.
1. When they say "no looting," I'm going to assume that to mean, "looting is not widespread." It's happening, and it's just either not widespread enough to be significant, or else coverage of looting is embargoed because it'd be a national embarrassment, which brings me to point #2.
2. It's not exactly a secret that cultures like the Japanese have a greater effect of societal responsibility. Places aren't being looted, but shop-owners are giving stuff out. When that popped up in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina here, it made news as an oddity. Less pressure on the supply side eases pressure on the demand side.
Quote from: Warspite on March 15, 2011, 12:40:36 PM
Looting in the West Country - an area known for its ethnic diversity. :D
cider-crazed inbreds :D
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 15, 2011, 12:44:00 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 15, 2011, 12:40:36 PM
Looting in the West Country - an area known for its ethnic diversity. :D
cider-crazed inbreds :D
Good point. The West Country doesn't just lack ethnic diversity, it lacks genetic diversity.
I'm not sure if you were aware of this Slargos, but the Japanese aren't white...
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2011, 12:47:19 PM
I'm not sure if you were aware of this Slargos, but the Japanese aren't white...
Now that you mention it... :hmm:
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2011, 12:47:19 PM
I'm not sure if you were aware of this Slargos, but the Japanese aren't white...
They are honorary Aryans :mad:
Quote from: Slargos on March 15, 2011, 12:50:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2011, 12:47:19 PM
I'm not sure if you were aware of this Slargos, but the Japanese aren't white...
Now that you mention it... :hmm:
According to apartheid-era South Africa they were ;)
Their whiteness is of course of no importance.
They are of the civilized peoples, and their society is not broken by the kult of multi. Therefore they do not loot. QED.
See, Haiti and New Orleans.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 15, 2011, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: Slargos on March 15, 2011, 12:50:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2011, 12:47:19 PM
I'm not sure if you were aware of this Slargos, but the Japanese aren't white...
Now that you mention it... :hmm:
According to apartheid-era South Africa they were ;)
Really? I would have imagined that they would have been considered "coloured".
I believe the Duque is correct, South Koreans too IIRC, but not those grubby North Koreans.
Quote from: Warspite on March 15, 2011, 12:57:50 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 15, 2011, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: Slargos on March 15, 2011, 12:50:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2011, 12:47:19 PM
I'm not sure if you were aware of this Slargos, but the Japanese aren't white...
Now that you mention it... :hmm:
According to apartheid-era South Africa they were ;)
Really? I would have imagined that they would have been considered "coloured".
You are unimaginative like most of your kind.
Quote from: Slargos on March 15, 2011, 12:57:29 PM
Their whiteness is of course of no importance.
They are of the civilized peoples, and their society is not broken by the kult of multi. Therefore they do not loot. QED.
See, Haiti and New Orleans.
I thought Chile was both civilized and not particularily multicultural...
Quote from: Slargos on March 15, 2011, 12:57:29 PM
Their whiteness is of course of no importance.
They are of the civilized peoples, and their society is not broken by the kult of multi. Therefore they do not loot. QED.
See, Haiti and New Orleans.
Yet Brits, even if they are from the West Country, are by definition more civilised than Scandinavians. In a part of the UK untouched by the kult of multi, they resorted to looting, and have therefore disproved your thesis, if not your very existence.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 15, 2011, 01:00:38 PM
I believe the Duque is correct, South Koreans too IIRC, but not those grubby North Koreans.
After some research, Taiwanese were as well it seems. The status of the other Chinese seems to have varied.
Quote from: Warspite on March 15, 2011, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Slargos on March 15, 2011, 12:57:29 PM
Their whiteness is of course of no importance.
They are of the civilized peoples, and their society is not broken by the kult of multi. Therefore they do not loot. QED.
See, Haiti and New Orleans.
Yet Brits, even if they are from the West Country, are by definition more civilised than Scandinavians. In a part of the UK untouched by the kult of multi, they resorted to looting, and have therefore disproved your thesis, if not your very existence.
When working from such faulty axioms, it's no wonder your conclusions come out so crazy. :lmfao:
I noticed the lack of looting, or lack of large scale looting, and was impressed but not overly surprised. Japanese society seems to have a very different attitude or something, and it's certainly better in some ways to what we'd find in the US or many other nations in similar hardships.
Quote from: KRonn on March 15, 2011, 01:15:32 PM
I noticed the lack of looting, or lack of large scale looting, and was impressed but not overly surprised. Japanese society seems to have a very different attitude or something, and it's certainly better in some ways to what we'd find in the US or many other nations in similar hardships.
Perhaps the tsunami has simply washed away whatever there was left to loot.
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2011, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: Slargos on March 15, 2011, 12:57:29 PM
Their whiteness is of course of no importance.
They are of the civilized peoples, and their society is not broken by the kult of multi. Therefore they do not loot. QED.
See, Haiti and New Orleans.
I thought Chile was both civilized and not particularily multicultural...
:lol:
Sprung from the least white of the European tribes and today a 50/50 mix of "white" and mestizo, I don't think Chile qualifies as "civilized".
Quote from: Warspite on March 15, 2011, 12:57:50 PM
Really? I would have imagined that they would have been considered "coloured".
I don't find it too surprising. It's not without precedent that Japanese were held above other Asians by Western racialists.
Blackhawk Down was meh.
It's cute when Slargos starts threads like this asking a question he knows (or thinks he knows) the answer to. :)
Anyway, the reason the Japanese are not looting is because they are in Japan. If they were in China, watch out brother. :cool:
Another reason might be because everything worth looting was washed out to sea.
Quote from: Caliga on March 15, 2011, 01:23:29 PM
It's cute when Slargos starts threads like this asking a question he knows (or thinks he knows) the answer to. :)
Anyway, the reason the Japanese are not looting is because they are in Japan. If they were in China, watch out brother. :cool:
It's a rhetorical question. Duh. Your negrindian ancestry betrays you again. :rolleyes:
My what now?
Here's a comprehensive list of my ancestry, in alphabetical order for your convenience: Dutch, English, French, German, Scottish, Swiss.
Quote from: citizen k on March 15, 2011, 01:26:58 PM
Another reason might be because everything worth looting was washed out to sea.
Or got wet. Robots tend to malfunction when they get wet. You know if there were perfectly-functioning robots to loot, the Japanese would be all over that.
Quote from: Caliga on March 15, 2011, 01:47:12 PM
My what now?
Here's a comprehensive list of my ancestry, in alphabetical order for your convenience: Dutch, English, French, German, Scottish, Swiss.
Don't worry. I doubt there will ever be enough time to waste on enforcing the one-drop rule on your peoples. :hug:
Quote from: Slargos on March 15, 2011, 12:57:29 PM
Their whiteness is of course of no importance.
They are of the civilized peoples, and their society is not broken by the kult of multi. Therefore they do not loot. QED.
See, Haiti and New Orleans.
Haiti is multicultural?
Quote from: Jacob on March 15, 2011, 01:51:17 PM
Quote from: Slargos on March 15, 2011, 12:57:29 PM
Their whiteness is of course of no importance.
They are of the civilized peoples, and their society is not broken by the kult of multi. Therefore they do not loot. QED.
See, Haiti and New Orleans.
Haiti is multicultural?
I listed qualities of peoples and examples in the same order. I'm sure you can figure it out. :hug:
Japan is a very shame oriented culture. To be looting at a time like this...very shameful. According to Hoffstede's index its also a very collectivist culture vs the more naturally individualistic anglo cultures.
So why aren't the Japanese looting? They're socialists.
Quote from: Sahib on March 15, 2011, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 15, 2011, 12:47:19 PM
I'm not sure if you were aware of this Slargos, but the Japanese aren't white...
They are honorary Aryans :mad:
HonorAryans?
Quote from: Slargos on March 15, 2011, 12:57:29 PM
Their whiteness is of course of no importance.
They are of the civilized peoples, and their society is not broken by the kult of multi. Therefore they do not loot. QED.
See, Haiti and New Orleans.
I seem to recall the Germans had a bad habit of looting during WWII.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 15, 2011, 03:40:52 PM
Quote from: Slargos on March 15, 2011, 12:57:29 PM
Their whiteness is of course of no importance.
They are of the civilized peoples, and their society is not broken by the kult of multi. Therefore they do not loot. QED.
See, Haiti and New Orleans.
I seem to recall the Germans had a bad habit of looting during WWII.
Sources?
Or do you consider it looting when one skins a deer as well?
Really, some people..
Quote from: Tyr on March 15, 2011, 02:25:13 PM
Japan is a very shame oriented culture. To be looting at a time like this...very shameful. According to Hoffstede's index its also a very collectivist culture vs the more natural individualistic anglo cultures.
So why aren't the Japanese looting? They're socialists.
Even more, they're Japanese. It's their very Japaneseness that has been holding them together.
Well, talking to friends in the shit there as it were, it seems most people are genuinely concerned for their friends and neighbors and what not. People there pitch in and help out when bad shit happens (This may be the worst stuff to happen, but it's not the first time, nor will it be the last. (6.something quake near Mt. Fuji this morning for example.) The Japanese People are all about Enduring. If I had to be somewhere that all that same shit was happening, I'd pick Japan.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on March 15, 2011, 08:54:25 PMIf I had to be somewhere that all that same shit was happening, I'd pick Japan.
Yeah, as absolutely catastrophic this nuclear crisis is, on top of a fucking 9.0 quake and a tsunami that'll claim tens of thousands when the numbers are in, I can't think of any other place that could handle it as well as they have. The Japs know their nukes and their emergency management.
Can you imagine if this sort of nuclear accident occured in a country with marginal nuclear expertise like Croatia, Romania or the Ukraine? Or the Russians again? Think they'll tell anybody the next time, or do we have to wait for the Swedes to discover it? And just wait until those goofball Iranian batshit fuckers try to bring their shit online.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 15, 2011, 11:19:36 PM
And just wait until those goofball Iranian batshit fuckers try to bring their shit online.
They won't even have time to fuck it up on there own. The Mossad will sabotage it with another virus and cause a catastrophic meltdown.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 15, 2011, 11:28:03 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 15, 2011, 11:19:36 PM
And just wait until those goofball Iranian batshit fuckers try to bring their shit online.
They won't even have time to fuck it up on there own. The Mossad will sabotage it with another virus and cause a catastrophic meltdown.
Go fucking die under someone's porch, shitball.
My own theory is that, whenever Japanese face a prisoner's dilemma with another Japanese, they always, always cooperate. That only applies to Japanese though. Japanese treat their own and foreigners very differently.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 15, 2011, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 15, 2011, 11:28:03 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 15, 2011, 11:19:36 PM
And just wait until those goofball Iranian batshit fuckers try to bring their shit online.
They won't even have time to fuck it up on there own. The Mossad will sabotage it with another virus and cause a catastrophic meltdown.
Go fucking die under someone's porch, shitball.
Did I say I disapproved?
Japanese also self-enforce their social norms. They don't just obey rules. They actively enforce them. If you ride a train in Japan, you'll notice that the people are very quiet. They don't talk, and they turn their phones to silent mode. Any talking above whispering level is immediately frowned upon. In (busy) Japanese restaurants, there is usually a row of chairs outside. This is the waiting area. The next available table is given to the party who sit closest to the door. When that party gets up, the people "waiting in line" are supposed to move to the empty chairs in turn. Anybody who is not aware of this system will receive barks from the normally impeccably polite restaurant staff.
Quote from: Monoriu on March 16, 2011, 12:59:30 AM
Japanese also self-enforce their social norms. They don't just obey rules. They actively enforce them. If you ride a train in Japan, you'll notice that the people are very quiet. They don't talk, and they turn their phones to silent mode.
What a commuter's paradise. :weep:
I have admired the Japanese queues and orderly panic-stricken 'traffic jams'.
I think Mono's probably right and I'd say it's probably the cohesion and sense of togethernes, that people have said has held Japan's economy back, that's helped and will help in their response.
Japan's emperor makes a public address.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/16/japan-emperor-nuclear-fears
The Earthquake situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage. :(
Quote from: Syt on March 16, 2011, 02:46:10 AM
What a commuter's paradise. :weep:
It's also considered good manners to feel up any women you're squashed next to. :)
Wait, what? :hmm:
Not really good manners, but it's not that unusual for attractive women to get pelvic exams during rush hour.
You've never heard about this?
BBC reports Anime convention canceled. At least one good thing happened in this shitstorm.
Too bad the convention didn't get a killing dose of rads and nobody else.
@Yi I've seen an article or two yeah, but is this like accepted behavior there?
Quote from: Caliga on March 16, 2011, 07:07:11 AM
@Yi I've seen an article or two yeah, but is this like accepted behavior there?
People rarely go to the police over anything short of murder/grand larceny. You're supposed to suffer in silence and fix your own problems.
Ok, if I ever get laid off my next job will be teaching Engrish to the Japanese. :cool:
I want to use those panty vending machines.
I thought even Slargos had conceded that his was a boring a stupid schtick that needed replacing. Why is he posting more epic fail when even he knows better, and why are people responding to it when even they know better?
Quote from: grumbler on March 16, 2011, 08:24:09 AM
I thought even Slargos had conceded that his was a boring a stupid schtick that needed replacing. Why is he posting more epic fail when even he knows better, and why are people responding to it when even they know better?
Boredom?
Quote from: Caliga on March 16, 2011, 08:36:00 AM
Boredom?
Yes, and more boring as it progresses. there are a few flashes of amusing petulance, but that's about it.
We will all have a jolly laugh when he bones a mud person and has a mud baby.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 16, 2011, 08:07:00 AM
I want to use those panty vending machines.
For five quid I'll send you a pair of mine. Saves on laundry.
Quote from: grumbler on March 16, 2011, 08:24:09 AM
I thought even Slargos had conceded that his was a boring a stupid schtick that needed replacing. Why is he posting more epic fail when even he knows better, and why are people responding to it when even they know better?
:lol:
At least my schtick serves a utility by provoking debate. Yours just serves to muddy it.
Quote from: Brazen on March 16, 2011, 10:00:30 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 16, 2011, 08:07:00 AM
I want to use those panty vending machines.
For five quid I'll send you a pair of mine. Saves on laundry.
How much is a quid?
A pound
Ok, so at current rates a pair of your undies costs $8.03? In that case I'll take three. :cool:
I can just ask my wife's friends for them. Free is better.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 16, 2011, 05:00:40 PM
I can just ask my wife's friends for them. Free is better.
The 20 year stretch you'll do for soliciting 8th graders for their panties might be free, but it would also be costly. :hmm:
Quote from: Slargos on March 16, 2011, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 16, 2011, 05:00:40 PM
I can just ask my wife's friends for them. Free is better.
The 20 year stretch you'll do for soliciting 8th graders for their panties might be free, but it would also be costly. :hmm:
Is that what you got? I got community service. :lmfao: