Is the latest incarnation stable enough for MP yet?
I'm afraid the design is still not stable enough. There is still some major rejiggering happening with every beta patch. It sucks when our game has to be abandoned midway through because the new patch came out.
Don't think so. Each patch breaks something new. Looks like the latest increased naval maintenance to the point it bankrupts the AI. I ran a hands off game the other day and found that by 1530 nobody had colonized anything. Spain formed (and ate Portugal) and took colonial ventures but not Quest for the New World.
In another game one of the Japanese Daimyos converted to Catholicism and became a Republican Dictatorship. Curiously some of the Japanese provinces were Hindu. I have no idea why.
What a hassle...I just got this game a few weeks ago, playing it for the first time. <_< Oh well, these first few games are learning games anyway, as I guess I'm waiting for the next patch.
1 - cascading alliances and AI alliance building means that every war is against ALL neighbors.
2 - horde idiocy means that all 70k golden horde troops are attritting at 7% inside player territory
3 - i don't care how powerful defensive slider settings are, AI blitz sieging means that 1 AI regiment takes a level 2 fort faster than my 15 regiments take a level 1 fort.
4 - if my 5 maneuver general can't catch a leaderless regiment which doesn't start moving until the 5 man general has used half his move then the game is broken, not my gameplay (note that gripe 3 means that by the time I actually catch that regiment in the invisible map caché maneuver well I have lost the bulk of my small country to 1 regiment siege stacks)(note 2 chasing the other 1 regiment siege stacks is just as pointless)
5 - I have yet to see a non-vassal ally join in any offensive war and rarely see them join in defensive wars
Starting out as a small or medium sized country in DW is all but impossible in medium difficulty or above if you have a large neighbor. Playing as muscovy with very low ai aggressiveness at very easy difficulty still sees my 10 province muscovy ending up at war with half of europe because the golden horde's 50k army wipes mine out and novgorod decides to declare war. Novgorod is allied to denmark which has scandinavia in PU, TO and Lithuania guarantee pskov, which is allied to novgorod. Poland guarantees lithuania and is allied to austria and hungary. Austria is in the empire. Bohemia is emperor. Then algiers declares war for shits and giggles, I still don't have a port.
I don't advise SP, it just makes me want to rip my hair out.
Cascading alliances basically means that player controlled countries must grow massive quickly or the will be killed.
Horde rules need serious play testing and rebalancing (I've added a -1.00 colonist for all countries without QFNW, that seems to fix the most aggregious steamrolling)
The AI movement bit from victoria just means that there is more ping-pong, or rather pre-ping-pong where you just can't catch an enemy army. The solution to this is exactly the same as the solution to
ping pong, herding. If you don't herd, you will have to chase until the AI regiment reaches the local movement well. It's very very annoying since the chasing requires micro management which allows the AI to spread out 1 regiment deep and blitz siege all "off camera areas"
SP just pisses me off right now. I'm going back to HTTT 4.1b
I don't see how 4 is an issue at all, I never had any problems with it.
The distances between neighboring provinces are different. If province A borders province B and C, it's logical that A-B might be longer than A-C. If you're heading into A from B, why shouldn't the enemy be able to leave A for C at the last possible moment and avoid you?
The reason it's not an issue is because AI literally does wait for the last possible moment, planning its move so that you'll miss him by a day. That just means that it won't take long before you catch him; he doesn't need to hit the "well", he just needs to break the cycle of having provinces with ever shorter distances to go to.
I think the horde changes were a mistake. The only countries they might make sense for are the North American natives, but they weren't included. :wacko:
At this point it might be better to just wait for Magna Mundi.
Has anyone played the game with the latest patch? How does auto-rebel whacking work? Rebels are a bane of my existence whenever I colonize large tracts of America.
The last Divine Wind game I played had Sokoto force converting England to animism. That's an inspired kind of stupid.
How is that possible? :huh: Aren't there limits to force conversions? You can force-convert someone from Catholic to Protestant, but not to Sunni, for example.
Quote from: DGuller on March 12, 2011, 03:33:24 AM
How is that possible? :huh: Aren't there limits to force conversions? You can force-convert someone from Catholic to Protestant, but not to Sunni, for example.
Well, I inferred it: England wound up animist, and had been fighting a war with Sokoto. It might've happened some other way, I suppose, but I don't know how.
I wound up reloading from an earlier save because as a seagoing Austria-Netherlands, I wanted my opponent in top shape.
Oh, looking at the SS I took, it might've been Songhai instead of Sokoto. Iirc, those lime green provinces on Ireland's west coast are Ottoman and Muslim, but that's the regular EU kind of stupid.
Quote from: DGuller on March 12, 2011, 01:13:41 AM
I don't see how 4 is an issue at all, I never had any problems with it.
The distances between neighboring provinces are different. If province A borders province B and C, it's logical that A-B might be longer than A-C. If you're heading into A from B, why shouldn't the enemy be able to leave A for C at the last possible moment and avoid you?
The reason it's not an issue is because AI literally does wait for the last possible moment, planning its move so that you'll miss him by a day. That just means that it won't take long before you catch him; he doesn't need to hit the "well", he just needs to break the cycle of having provinces with ever shorter distances to go to.
What I mean by the maneuver well is.. the chased regiment moves not along it's supply lines, but rather in a direction where movement is shorter than the province you come from. This continues until it reaches a province where the direction you are attacking from has the shortest movement time. That is the well, there is only one opening in or out of that province.
Quote from: DGuller on March 12, 2011, 01:31:30 AM
Has anyone played the game with the latest patch? How does auto-rebel whacking work? Rebels are a bane of my existence whenever I colonize large tracts of America.
rebel whacking is a good thing, but it is not as useful as it could be. It is not very useful to contiguous empires. The rebel hunter stays within your borders but roams freely. Best used for limited sized areas like large islands. Make your rebel whacker as big as the lowest supply limit in the contiguous area and only use one rebel hunter.
note regarding rebel hunters, they do not count retreating rebels as rebels. So with large countries with two rebels, each on either side of the country just results in the rebel hunter forcing one to retreat and then marches all the way across the country to force the other rebel to retreat before marching all the way back.
Basically they act just like AI armies.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 11, 2011, 12:29:25 PM
Don't think so. Each patch breaks something new. Looks like the latest increased naval maintenance to the point it bankrupts the AI. I ran a hands off game the other day and found that by 1530 nobody had colonized anything. Spain formed (and ate Portugal) and took colonial ventures but not Quest for the New World.
In another game one of the Japanese Daimyos converted to Catholicism and became a Republican Dictatorship. Curiously some of the Japanese provinces were Hindu. I have no idea why.
I played a Japan game a few months back and there does seem to be an awful lot of contact and wars between the Asian nations.
IIRC Shinto and Hinduism are counted as being in the same religious group (along with some others I can't remember...buddhism?) so have a habit of getting particularly involved with each other.
Did anyone here give a shit about the new patch that was released?
Nope.
I installed it. :unsure:
I miss blaming all my failures on DG. When can we start again?
Quote from: DGuller on April 01, 2011, 10:10:51 AM
Did anyone here give a shit about the new patch that was released?
Downloaded it, but haven't installed.
Looks good. With the last betapatch I actually finished my first EU3 game ever.
Quote from: Berkut on April 01, 2011, 03:13:35 PM
I miss blaming all my failures on DG. When can we start again?
I am up for a go :)
Quote from: DGuller on April 01, 2011, 10:10:51 AM
Did anyone here give a shit about the new patch that was released?
Updater says no patch available....
My bad, beta patch.
What's it do?
Unfucks naval maintenance.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 02, 2011, 01:57:09 PM
Unfucks naval maintenance.
And in all likelihood, breaks something else.
So, is there any consensus from those who have played the expansion?
Are there still problems that make MP not desirable?
Quote from: Berkut on April 07, 2011, 03:22:47 PM
So, is there any consensus from those who have played the expansion?
Are there still problems that make MP not desirable?
My feeling is that the game design is not even close to being worked out yet. Too many new things are either overpowered or underpowered.
Quote from: DGuller on April 07, 2011, 03:58:29 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 07, 2011, 03:22:47 PM
So, is there any consensus from those who have played the expansion?
Are there still problems that make MP not desirable?
My feeling is that the game design is not even close to being worked out yet. Too many new things are either overpowered or underpowered.
:( damn I miss Wednesday nights...
Tried the latest beta patch as England. With the new horde takeover mechanics, hordes grow huge early on. Golden Horde swallowed up all of Russia and reached Finland, central Hungary, and Ragusa by 1450, while Timurids took over the Levant. Thankfully with their tech penalty, western countries are now slowly taking stuff back, but I don't see AI Russians ever surviving the early game, and Ottomans are likely to be fucked too when they have a border with both hordes, because Golden Horde *will* swallow Moldavia and Wallachia.
1492 is looking more and more like the best start date.
The new HRE rule also changed the game.(Emperor request a country from a conqueror).
I will play.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 09, 2011, 05:34:31 AM
Tried the latest beta patch as England. With the new horde takeover mechanics, hordes grow huge early on. Golden Horde swallowed up all of Russia and reached Finland, central Hungary, and Ragusa by 1450, while Timurids took over the Levant. Thankfully with their tech penalty, western countries are now slowly taking stuff back, but I don't see AI Russians ever surviving the early game, and Ottomans are likely to be fucked too when they have a border with both hordes, because Golden Horde *will* swallow Moldavia and Wallachia.
1492 is looking more and more like the best start date.
In 1492 Austria starts with 107k army.
I f you want to play, 1453 is better starting date.
So we got 3 willing to play.. Spooky, Me and Berkut... anyone else?
I'm willing to give this a shot, but not before May 5.
Quote from: Shade on April 19, 2011, 11:43:10 PM
So we got 3 willing to play.. Spooky, Me and Berkut... anyone else?
If you play at weekend too I can join.
I can play during mid-May (about the 9th) onward.
So, is Divine Wind worth it?
Quote from: Anatron on April 20, 2011, 09:30:08 AM
Quote from: Shade on April 19, 2011, 11:43:10 PM
So we got 3 willing to play.. Spooky, Me and Berkut... anyone else?
If you play at weekend too I can join.
Same, I can join a game at Euro-friendly times.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 21, 2011, 05:32:25 AM
Quote from: Anatron on April 20, 2011, 09:30:08 AM
Quote from: Shade on April 19, 2011, 11:43:10 PM
So we got 3 willing to play.. Spooky, Me and Berkut... anyone else?
If you play at weekend too I can join.
Same, I can join a game at Euro-friendly times.
I think that after may 9th we could have a nice weekend game going :) So far we have 6? (Sol, Anatron, Me, Spooky, Berkut, and Jonas) hopefully ok to play weekends Any others more the merrier :)
Nah, I cannot play on weekends. Not consistently.
Can't do weekends either. I can't commit to killing the best part of Sunday every week.
Is there a Euro friendly time that is a week day?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 21, 2011, 03:25:43 AM
So, is Divine Wind worth it?
Most mods, like MEIOU, Magna Mundi, and SRI don't support DW yet, so if you play with mods, no. I haven't tried vanilla DW yet.
Quote from: Shade on April 21, 2011, 02:40:19 PM
Is there a Euro friendly time that is a week day?
Most Euro-evenings should work for me. In other words, roughly the same times we played on Sundays.
Yeah, there was a reason we had a US-centric evening game and a EU friendly weekend game.
HttT 4.1 patch kills the game for me. Crashes immediately after the intro videos play. <_<
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 24, 2011, 03:00:44 AM
HttT 4.1 patch kills the game for me. Crashes immediately after the intro videos play. <_<
Did you have it installed before on your machine?
No. However I followed the advice from Paradox and it works now.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 24, 2011, 07:10:47 AM
No. However I followed the advice from Paradox and it works now.
It can be a pain in the ass to install, especially if you've had EU3 installed on there before. Using the CrapCleaner program can really help.
So I started playing around with DW last night since the March 29 beta patcha has been out for awhile, and of course I played as Byzantium. Tried a 1403 start to take advantage of the Ottoman civil war.
Why the hell did they give the Ottomans 3 warships? It makes it pretty damn impossible to outbuild their navy and simply shut down the straight if they do that. :mad:
Quote from: Barrister on May 04, 2011, 05:56:14 PM
So I started playing around with DW last night since the March 29 beta patcha has been out for awhile, and of course I played as Byzantium. Tried a 1403 start to take advantage of the Ottoman civil war.
Why the hell did they give the Ottomans 3 warships? It makes it pretty damn impossible to outbuild their navy and simply shut down the straight if they do that. :mad:
Army and navy sizes are created based on various factors, I believe, and aren't preset in the game files. So a country of the Ottoman's size, tech levels, sliders, etc. get that many warships.
Also, the Byzantines were screwed by that point. Give it up and join the dark side. :osama:
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 04, 2011, 10:51:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 04, 2011, 05:56:14 PM
So I started playing around with DW last night since the March 29 beta patcha has been out for awhile, and of course I played as Byzantium. Tried a 1403 start to take advantage of the Ottoman civil war.
Why the hell did they give the Ottomans 3 warships? It makes it pretty damn impossible to outbuild their navy and simply shut down the straight if they do that. :mad:
Army and navy sizes are created based on various factors, I believe, and aren't preset in the game files.
That's my understanding as well, if you pick a random date to start. IIRC, the pre-set dates are supposed to have more accurate force levels, but some of the research is iffy at best.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 04, 2011, 10:51:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 04, 2011, 05:56:14 PM
So I started playing around with DW last night since the March 29 beta patcha has been out for awhile, and of course I played as Byzantium. Tried a 1403 start to take advantage of the Ottoman civil war.
Why the hell did they give the Ottomans 3 warships? It makes it pretty damn impossible to outbuild their navy and simply shut down the straight if they do that. :mad:
Army and navy sizes are created based on various factors, I believe, and aren't preset in the game files. So a country of the Ottoman's size, tech levels, sliders, etc. get that many warships.
Also, the Byzantines were screwed by that point. Give it up and join the dark side. :osama:
I think they pick up a few provinces for a short period of time before that. Even the AI Byzantium does well sometimes, which kind of takes some of the fun out of it. Now the country that game can't run properly is France. Which either implodes or is eaten by Burgundy. It's not uncommon to see Guyenne to become a major power.
Reading this thread makes me so glad that I chose not to buy "Divine Wind".
Quote from: Razgovory on May 05, 2011, 11:27:00 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on May 04, 2011, 10:51:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 04, 2011, 05:56:14 PM
So I started playing around with DW last night since the March 29 beta patcha has been out for awhile, and of course I played as Byzantium. Tried a 1403 start to take advantage of the Ottoman civil war.
Why the hell did they give the Ottomans 3 warships? It makes it pretty damn impossible to outbuild their navy and simply shut down the straight if they do that. :mad:
Army and navy sizes are created based on various factors, I believe, and aren't preset in the game files. So a country of the Ottoman's size, tech levels, sliders, etc. get that many warships.
Also, the Byzantines were screwed by that point. Give it up and join the dark side. :osama:
I think they pick up a few provinces for a short period of time before that. Even the AI Byzantium does well sometimes, which kind of takes some of the fun out of it. Now the country that game can't run properly is France. Which either implodes or is eaten by Burgundy. It's not uncommon to see Guyenne to become a major power.
Aye - the 1403 start gives you an extra province or two, AND an Otto civil war.
There's a new May 10 beta patch.
Quote from: JonasSalk on May 12, 2011, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 12, 2011, 01:46:39 PM
There's a new May 10 beta patch.
Wut it do?
Probably fixes bugs and adds functionality while breaking other things, if history is any lesson.
Quote- Implemented a system for giving countries a yearly random event.
- Rearranged alot of events internally for easier overview for developers.
- Lots of events that had multiple versions depending on your size, now use one event and scale the actual effects on your income/tech etc.
- Reworked the current random events to be used by the new system.
- Event 9012 no longer changes your tech group to western.
- Fixed a tech problem with naval_maintenance spiking a little bit early.
- Fixed a few spelling errors.
- Docks now are rather more useful.
- Updated some tooltips to correct reference to buildings.
- Reworked country adjectives to fit better.
- Krakow given more realistic government types through history, instead of Constitutional Republic from game start.
- Corrected capital of Byzantine Empire from Roma to Thrace in some parts of the history.
- Heavy Frigate textures corrected.
- Corrected Beijing province # to 1816 twice in ManuchuDecisions.txt
- Changed La Mancha and Cadiz from castillian to andalucian culture
- Added missing text size statements for many provinces to /map/positions.txt
- /missions/american_missions.txt - added NOT = { war_with = FRA } to ALLOW condition of the_united_states_france_relations to stop infinite loop - did equivalent with the_united_states_rev_france_relations too.
- added nomad = no to Allow condition of royal_marriage_mission in /missions/diplomatic.txt .
- added government = monarchy to trigger conditions of event 754 in /events/MoreRandomEvents.txt
- duplicated the DECLWAR_MAP line as DECLWAROTHER_MAP in /localisation/httt.csv
- in /missions/Hansa_Missions.txt changed Allow and Abort conditions as per the bug reporter's suggestion
- added Thematic army and fleet names to /common/countries/ByzantineEmpire.txt
- corrected text for Master of Mint text in /localisation/in_nomine_text.csv
- changed localised name of ali_bey_reformed_infantry from infantry to cavalry for all languages in text.csv (as it is actually cav by description)
- fixed Prussian Nation decision so nations with Prussian culture can form Prussia
- In /history/countries/sib - sibir.txt the Sibir are made into a steppe_horde and in the nomad tech group, like their neighbours
- corrected tax amounts in tooltip for vote_on_gemeinerpfennig_desc in httt.csv
- corrected factor=10000 to factor=1000 in Annex Egypt mission in Turkish_Missions.txt . Added any_neighbor_country = { tag = MAM } to Allow and Abort code, removed exists=MAM from both as redundant.
- Added regency=no to triggers of event 9463 in dynastic.txt
- in /history/provinces/863 - suma.txt corrected 1709 capital change to read Chihuahua, not Chicuahua
- In /common/countries/Hindustan.txt changed graphical_culture = chinesegfx to graphical_culture = indiangfx
- fixed spelling of guerrilla and ethiopian in several places in text.csv
- corrected text of Rival Navy mission in /localisation/2nd_inn.csv from "no more than" to "less than" in English and German
- removed duplicate entry for Afonso V as leader from /history/countries/por - portugal.txt
- Charles Middleton removed as an admiral and added as an advisor
- Moved war_college = yes from /common/technologies/government.txt to land.txt .
- changed option A and B text in /localisation/rotw.csv to better reflect the effects of the choices: 'Grant autonomy' and 'Slower Westernization' respectively
- Update burgundian_missions.txt for Liege and Brabant to grant cores to all of those nations, plus set new effects (the any_owned/previous_owner allows it to handle any provinces that they might have acquired instead of only their original ones) - which in turn required a new modifier to be defined in event_modifiers.txt .
- Modified Braveheart event in /events/MoreRandomEvents.txt to have all forces always spawn in Province 252 Highlands, instead of anywhere in the Highlands region.
- Modify Infamy parameters in The Hanami Festival - Sign from above (event 10009 /events/JapanEvents.txt ) to match the ones in event 10008 The Hanami Festival - Ill omen in the sense that they should grade from 0.1-0.5 instead of all being 0.1 , which makes little sense.
Quote from: Barrister on May 04, 2011, 05:56:14 PM
So I started playing around with DW last night since the March 29 beta patcha has been out for awhile, and of course I played as Byzantium. Tried a 1403 start to take advantage of the Ottoman civil war.
Why the hell did they give the Ottomans 3 warships? It makes it pretty damn impossible to outbuild their navy and simply shut down the straight if they do that. :mad:
Take out some of your OPM neighbors first before fighting the Ottomans.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 12, 2011, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 04, 2011, 05:56:14 PM
So I started playing around with DW last night since the March 29 beta patcha has been out for awhile, and of course I played as Byzantium. Tried a 1403 start to take advantage of the Ottoman civil war.
Why the hell did they give the Ottomans 3 warships? It makes it pretty damn impossible to outbuild their navy and simply shut down the straight if they do that. :mad:
Take out some of your OPM neighbors first before fighting the Ottomans.
When was the last time you tried playing as Byzantium?
All the OPMs start the game with guarantees of independence from one power or another. Your only real option is to go after the Ottos first.
Yeah, that's been a problem since DW came out. Cascading alliances. Epirus goes to war with Naples and a World War breaks out.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 12, 2011, 10:51:28 PM
Yeah, that's been a problem since DW came out. Cascading alliances. Epirus goes to war with Naples and a World War breaks out.
But the OPM guarantees were introduced in HTTT.
Pre HTTT the best strategy as Byz was probably to take out a bunch of OPMs before hitting the Ottos. Tim probably hasn't played as Byz for a couple of years.
I rarely see Ottomans getting anywhere. That area is usually full of minors. Including a pretty decent Byzantium
France, Ottomans, and Russia are basket cases much more often than not in DW. AI just cannot handle them for whatever reason.
Bohemia and Lithuania on the other hand, they do really well. Spain rarely forms but Castile has a great interest in North Africa, and typically conquer Egypt.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 13, 2011, 12:43:16 PM
Spain rarely forms but Castile has a great interest in North Africa, and typically conquer Egypt.
That's been true since NA at least, maybe even before then.
Quote from: DGuller on May 13, 2011, 11:35:14 AM
France, Ottomans, and Russia are basket cases much more often than not in DW. AI just cannot handle them for whatever reason.
For Ottos and Russia that reason is insanely powerful hordes in 1399. In one game I've had GH annex everything up to Finland/Poland/Austria. They changed things from hordes not being able to expand to them expanding a bit too well.
So I'm thinking about playing EU3 again. It's probably been over a year and a half, probably longer,maybe even two years since my last confession play.
The last XP i have is IN. Any reason to get the other two. Thinking about HTTT first.
HttT adds a lot to the game and is definitely worth it, in my opinion. I haven't got DW yet and don't plan on it until I can find it for 50% off or better.
Quote from: sbr on May 15, 2011, 05:20:24 PM
HttT adds a lot to the game and is definitely worth it, in my opinion. I haven't got DW yet and don't plan on it until I can find it for 50% off or better.
Seconded, except for the fact that I currently have no intention of getting Divine Wind at all.
I tried playing DW with the latest beta patch, and I came to realization that I'm not feeling it at all for EU3 anymore. I don't know if it's due to DW changes breaking the game, or just general fatigue with the game, but I was just meh.
oK, So downloaded HttT and the patch1.4, I think it is.
Just to test it out I started a 1453 game as England. Within 5 seconds I had my first problem. :( Whenever my cursor hovers over a sea zone I get a list of a whole bunch of ships (most of which I think are from undiscovered countries) like Aceh, for example. Will these go away?
Delete the map cache.
the entire folder?
Sure.
Great. That worked. Thanks. Also fixed the "crash upon exiting" issue I also had.
Now I think I remembered why I stopped playing P'dox games all those months ago... ;) let's see what else comes up...
Quote from: Agelastus on May 16, 2011, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: sbr on May 15, 2011, 05:20:24 PM
HttT adds a lot to the game and is definitely worth it, in my opinion. I haven't got DW yet and don't plan on it until I can find it for 50% off or better.
Seconded, except for the fact that I currently have no intention of getting Divine Wind at all.
Yeah, I don't have any real intention of getting it but I am a sucker for huge discounts so I can't guarantee I would pass it up if I could get it for a few dollars.
Another patch came out, they nerfed the hordes some.
QuoteBeta of 5.1 - 17th May 2011
- Increased the time it takes for horde to conquer non-core territory.
- Harsh terrain makes it slower for hordes to destroy buildings.
- Forts in mountains and hills now take a slightly longer time to siege.
- Techgroup affects how quickly a province falls to horde building destruction.
- Fixed a crashbug in the outliner.
- Nomads can no longer be part of a union.
- Added 35 new random events for yearly pulse, a majority of them positive.
- Fixed the broken colored flags and inability to select units at zoom out from last beta.
- Changed yearly pulse to bi-yearly, reducing frequency by half.
- Create general/admiral/explorer/conquistador now picks a female name if the level is <0 in an event effect.
They seem to have unregistered all my games :mellow:
Could access the support forum a couple days ago. Now there are no games on my account.
Quote from: Maximus on May 17, 2011, 05:27:44 PM
They seem to have unregistered all my games :mellow:
Could access the support forum a couple days ago. Now there are no games on my account.
Are you sure that you were properly logged in. I checked, and all of my registered games show up as being successfullly registered.
BTW, what the heck is Europa Universalis: Chronicles?
Yes I was able to register games I had not previously registered. eg magicka.
Any chance anyone could upload the beta patch?
Quote from: dps on May 17, 2011, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: Maximus on May 17, 2011, 05:27:44 PM
They seem to have unregistered all my games :mellow:
Could access the support forum a couple days ago. Now there are no games on my account.
Are you sure that you were properly logged in. I checked, and all of my registered games show up as being successfullly registered.
BTW, what the heck is Europa Universalis: Chronicles?
A collection of EU3 and all of the expansions including the newest one Divine Wind.
Quote from: Solmyr on May 17, 2011, 05:16:29 AM
Another patch came out, they nerfed the hordes some.
QuoteBeta of 5.1 - 17th May 2011
- Added 35 new random events for yearly pulse, a majority of them positive.
This one looks nice!
What exactly is this yearly pulse?
EU is and always has been a MP game with SP functionality.
Quote from: Solmyr on May 18, 2011, 04:56:47 AM
What exactly is this yearly pulse?
it is the end of the year events that ways crop up i think... Like the benign neglect and such...?
Quote from: Slargos on May 18, 2011, 05:44:31 AM
EU is and always has been a MP game with SP functionality.
Actually, many of the versions were completely unplayable in MP because of instability.
Though that does seem to be the one thing that Paradox does right nowdays--most of their stuff anymore is quite stable. In fact, some of it is almost inert--i.e., EU: Rome.
Quote from: Slargos on May 18, 2011, 05:44:31 AM
EU is and always has been a MP game with SP functionality.
Especially that SP button that says "Quit Game" while leaving the other 9-10 players active, right?
Quote from: Habbaku on May 18, 2011, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 18, 2011, 05:44:31 AM
EU is and always has been a MP game with SP functionality.
Especially that SP button that says "Quit Game" while leaving the other 9-10 players active, right?
WAD
Quote from: dps on May 18, 2011, 02:24:07 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 18, 2011, 05:44:31 AM
EU is and always has been a MP game with SP functionality.
Actually, many of the versions were completely unplayable in MP because of instability.
Though that does seem to be the one thing that Paradox does right nowdays--most of their stuff anymore is quite stable. In fact, some of it is almost inert--i.e., EU: Rome.
If a car is shipped with faulty breaks, does that mean it's not a car?
You can play chess against a computer aswell, but fundamentally it is a multiplayer game. :hmm:
Quote from: Habbaku on May 18, 2011, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 18, 2011, 05:44:31 AM
EU is and always has been a MP game with SP functionality.
Especially that SP button that says "Quit Game" while leaving the other 9-10 players active, right?
We've been over this. I didn't realize what scale of dickery would take place in that game, or I would never have joined it.
Quote from: Slargos on May 18, 2011, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on May 18, 2011, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 18, 2011, 05:44:31 AM
EU is and always has been a MP game with SP functionality.
Especially that SP button that says "Quit Game" while leaving the other 9-10 players active, right?
We've been over this. I didn't realize what scale of dickery would take place in that game, or I would never have joined it.
What happened?
Quote from: Shade on May 18, 2011, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 18, 2011, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on May 18, 2011, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 18, 2011, 05:44:31 AM
EU is and always has been a MP game with SP functionality.
Especially that SP button that says "Quit Game" while leaving the other 9-10 players active, right?
We've been over this. I didn't realize what scale of dickery would take place in that game, or I would never have joined it.
What happened?
It was not pretty. You can certainly understand why slargos was forced to quit the game once the facts become clear.
There was a war. And he...well....he lost.
Quote from: Berkut on May 18, 2011, 09:39:19 PM
Quote from: Shade on May 18, 2011, 07:34:31 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 18, 2011, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on May 18, 2011, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 18, 2011, 05:44:31 AM
EU is and always has been a MP game with SP functionality.
Especially that SP button that says "Quit Game" while leaving the other 9-10 players active, right?
We've been over this. I didn't realize what scale of dickery would take place in that game, or I would never have joined it.
What happened?
It was not pretty. You can certainly understand why slargos was forced to quit the game once the facts become clear.
There was a war. And he...well....he lost.
:lol:
Right. That's all there was to it. :hug:
Slarg = one of those guys who cannot play Diplomacy.
Quote from: The Brain on May 19, 2011, 02:15:06 AM
Slarg = one of those guys who cannot play Diplomacy.
:lol:
Fuck. You.
I will admit that my cooperation with Tamas fell apart, but it was mainly because I was stupefied at his behaviour.
Quote from: Slargos on May 19, 2011, 02:23:50 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 19, 2011, 02:15:06 AM
Slarg = one of those guys who cannot play Diplomacy.
:lol:
Fuck. You.
I will admit that my cooperation with Tamas fell apart, but it was mainly because I was stupefied at his behaviour.
This is normal for any attempted cooperation with Tamas.
Quote from: Solmyr on May 19, 2011, 05:04:56 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 19, 2011, 02:23:50 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 19, 2011, 02:15:06 AM
Slarg = one of those guys who cannot play Diplomacy.
:lol:
Fuck. You.
I will admit that my cooperation with Tamas fell apart, but it was mainly because I was stupefied at his behaviour.
This is normal for any attempted cooperation with Tamas.
Even I know that... do not trust the gypsies correct?
Quote from: Solmyr on May 19, 2011, 05:04:56 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 19, 2011, 02:23:50 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 19, 2011, 02:15:06 AM
Slarg = one of those guys who cannot play Diplomacy.
:lol:
Fuck. You.
I will admit that my cooperation with Tamas fell apart, but it was mainly because I was stupefied at his behaviour.
This is normal for any attempted cooperation with Tamas.
:XD:
Quote from: Slargos on May 19, 2011, 02:23:50 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 19, 2011, 02:15:06 AM
Slarg = one of those guys who cannot play Diplomacy.
:lol:
Fuck. You.
I will admit that my cooperation with Tamas fell apart, but it was mainly because I was stupefied at his behaviour.
You'd know, had you played any Here I Stand languish game. :D
I think it's just something in the water. No one from Europe seems to get along with Tamas in games, whereas the American contingent merely treat him as a curiosity akin to a court jester with the potential to wreck your plans. Ideally, he is best pointed in a direction away from you or, better, allied with your enemies.
Quote from: Habbaku on May 23, 2011, 12:27:23 PM
I think it's just something in the water. No one from Europe seems to get along with Tamas in games, whereas the American contingent merely treat him as a curiosity akin to a court jester with the potential to wreck your plans. Ideally, he is best pointed in a direction away from you or, better, allied with your enemies.
Really, when he demanded Egypt in order to help OE against Spain and Austria, and JOINED YOU when he didn't get it, I simply couldn't continue playing.
If I jump into a FPS server where there's a TKer on my team I don't tough it out, I simply leave and join a new server. This is a nearly analogous situation.
Any France player with even a spitball's worth of intelligence knows better than to make the moves Tamas did.
:lol: priceless
1st of all, Slargos' tantrum and shitty play in that first game has become a legend, and all harm I did was to join the coalition of Everyone Else, after he showed he was impossible to live with.
And of course Habs appears to be still sour that despite I let his Brandenburg grow up, he still could not tackle central european mastery for himself, as I orchestrated at least 3 different coalitions against him :P
Quote from: Slargos on May 23, 2011, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on May 23, 2011, 12:27:23 PM
I think it's just something in the water. No one from Europe seems to get along with Tamas in games, whereas the American contingent merely treat him as a curiosity akin to a court jester with the potential to wreck your plans. Ideally, he is best pointed in a direction away from you or, better, allied with your enemies.
Really, when he demanded Egypt in order to help OE against Spain and Austria, and JOINED YOU when he didn't get it, I simply couldn't continue playing.
If I jump into a FPS server where there's a TKer on my team I don't tough it out, I simply leave and join a new server. This is a nearly analogous situation.
Any France player with even a spitball's worth of intelligence knows better than to make the moves Tamas did.
oh fuck no, you dont want to restart this shit.
you DEMANDED that I help you, which would had meant dying with you, because you were the shittiest un-diplomatic berzerk player I have ever seen. you will not rose-paint this into something else
Jesus, Tamas or slargos?
That is a damn hard choice right there.
:pope:
Quote from: Berkut on May 25, 2011, 02:24:50 PM
Jesus, Tamas or slargos?
That is a damn hard choice right there.
I'll go with Jesus.
I'm getting nostalgic now. When are we starting a new game? I'd even let Tamas play, for shits and giggles.
veery funny, you bandwagon-jumping sorry excuses for strategy gamers :rolleyes:
Quote from: Tamas on May 25, 2011, 01:28:24 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 23, 2011, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on May 23, 2011, 12:27:23 PM
I think it's just something in the water. No one from Europe seems to get along with Tamas in games, whereas the American contingent merely treat him as a curiosity akin to a court jester with the potential to wreck your plans. Ideally, he is best pointed in a direction away from you or, better, allied with your enemies.
Really, when he demanded Egypt in order to help OE against Spain and Austria, and JOINED YOU when he didn't get it, I simply couldn't continue playing.
If I jump into a FPS server where there's a TKer on my team I don't tough it out, I simply leave and join a new server. This is a nearly analogous situation.
Any France player with even a spitball's worth of intelligence knows better than to make the moves Tamas did.
oh fuck no, you dont want to restart this shit.
you DEMANDED that I help you, which would had meant dying with you, because you were the shittiest un-diplomatic berzerk player I have ever seen. you will not rose-paint this into something else
:lol:
I've been playing EU MP ever since it was stable enough to realistically run games, and I've never, ever in my dozens upon dozens of campaigns seen such stupid maneuvering as from you in that game. The only one comes close is Ebbsen during his "RP" whims when he'd pick a silly persona and run with it.
Quote from: Slargos on May 25, 2011, 04:52:43 PM
The only one comes close is Ebbsen during his "RP" whims when he'd pick a silly persona and run with it.
I think if I played an EU 3 MP game these days, I'd almost certainly do the same. Maybe pick a few personalities and roll a die every monarch.
Quote from: Slargos on May 25, 2011, 04:52:43 PM
I've been playing EU MP ever since it was stable enough to realistically run games
That makes your performance (bulldoze through the AIs ad infinitum until WE just finishes you off, repeatedly refusing to negotiate with others, then throwing a hissy fit when I abandon your lost cause in which the only incentive I got from you was that according to you, my country was only on the map to serve the Ottomans without question) even more embarrassing.
Really, the last thing you want is dig up that embarrasment of yours.
Quote from: Tamas on May 25, 2011, 01:28:24 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 23, 2011, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on May 23, 2011, 12:27:23 PM
I think it's just something in the water. No one from Europe seems to get along with Tamas in games, whereas the American contingent merely treat him as a curiosity akin to a court jester with the potential to wreck your plans. Ideally, he is best pointed in a direction away from you or, better, allied with your enemies.
Really, when he demanded Egypt in order to help OE against Spain and Austria, and JOINED YOU when he didn't get it, I simply couldn't continue playing.
If I jump into a FPS server where there's a TKer on my team I don't tough it out, I simply leave and join a new server. This is a nearly analogous situation.
Any France player with even a spitball's worth of intelligence knows better than to make the moves Tamas did.
oh fuck no, you dont want to restart this shit.
you DEMANDED that I help you, which would had meant dying with you, because you were the shittiest un-diplomatic berzerk player I have ever seen. you will not rose-paint this into something else
Well as I see you naturally let your allys die.I felt the same like Slargos did when you let Habbaku banish me out from North America (with Holland).Not calculating the consequences of your allys weakening not a good strategy I think.I understand the first priority in your play is yourself but that means others cant count on you in their long term strategy.Thats why I will not create alliances with you again .Sorry Tom! ;-)
But I also waiting for play EU in MP again.
Except of course, that I was keeping England off your back for quite a while before that. You grew up to be a power under the Spanish umbrella.
Then my master plan of the dutch-portugese-spanish triple alliance fell apart because the Portugese grew paranoid :P
Keeping that alliance together while it lasted was no easy work let me tell you. But it worked beautifully for me. I had a clear separation of spheres of influence with the Portugese, the two of you delayed each other in Asia, not to mention doing the same to England. Your quick expansion in North America cornered the English into opposing you, but they could not do much while the triple alliance lasted.
Once the alliance was clearly beyond repair, you two started to dash for other allies, and I had to let one of you go. Keeping Portugal as ally was the obvious choice for various reasons, most notably the alternative which was an English-Portugese alliance, with France probably thrown in for good measure due to your early-game hsaber-rattling with them.
I did stay neutral in the conflict between you two, don't forget that :P
You guys that actually remember what happened in years-ago EU3 games worry me.
Quote from: ulmont on May 26, 2011, 12:40:47 PM
You guys that actually remember what happened in years-ago EU3 games worry me.
if you ever try to keep a nervously collapsing Jaron together with a guy who is not used to being around Jaron, without them jumping at each other's throats, you WILL remember it I can assure you :P
I remember that game as well. It was about the only game where things went well from me from start to finish.
Quote from: DGuller on May 26, 2011, 01:09:50 PM
I remember that game as well. It was about the only game where things went well from me from start to finish.
Well ,that was the first game where colonial powers really fought for colonies. :)
Man, we really need to start another game. New Thread time? Ulmont you know you are going to need something to do this fall, as you will likely have no NFL to watch.
Isn't Divine Wind still brokerered?
It is. Not sure it's worth starting a game until it's fixed just a little.
DW is still quite t3h brokene and there's no way in hell I'm playing with it in the current state.
Quote from: Tamas on May 26, 2011, 01:41:59 AM
Quote from: Slargos on May 25, 2011, 04:52:43 PM
I've been playing EU MP ever since it was stable enough to realistically run games
That makes your performance (bulldoze through the AIs ad infinitum until WE just finishes you off, repeatedly refusing to negotiate with others, then throwing a hissy fit when I abandon your lost cause in which the only incentive I got from you was that according to you, my country was only on the map to serve the Ottomans without question) even more embarrassing.
Really, the last thing you want is dig up that embarrasment of yours.
:lol:
I negotiated with everyone but Habbaku. In fact, I was negotiating actively with Austria when the attack came. That my negotiations were unsuccessful and that I was backstabbed by several of the involved parties is perhaps a severe indictment on my skills of diplomacy, but it is certainly not an embarrassment. I was largely satisfied with the game as such and even the loss of the war was acceptable (though infuriating, since I hadn't calculated on the navies being so effective against me) but when you not only joined but thought to make territorial gains against me, I realized there was nothing for me in the game and so I left.
Frankly, the losses I suffered were minor in comparison to the riches I stood to gain with a continued eastern policy and an alliance with Russia, but as I've noted every time this subject comes up and every time I've been accused of ragequitting over losing a war, the reasons for my leaving were related to players, not the game.
Quote from: ulmont on May 26, 2011, 12:40:47 PM
You guys that actually remember what happened in years-ago EU3 games worry me.
I've been slandered over it on numerous occasions, and Habbaku's sig is a constant reminder, so it's going to be hard to forget. :lol:
But then again, I can at least recall the rough outline of most every campaign I've been in, and this one is just one of the most recent.
You deserve every ounce of ire you get though.
You can talk until the cows come home about he said, she said, who did what. But there is one thing that is indisputably true:
Slargos is the one who threw the tantrum and quit.
The truth is always a valid defense against a charge of slander.
Quote from: Slargos on May 26, 2011, 02:03:04 PM
Habbaku's sig is a constant reminder
Thanks, I didnt know what "Asshat of the Year Award : Slargos, for great strides in the art of petulance." meant. Now it can be a constant reminder to us all.
Quote from: Berkut on May 26, 2011, 02:28:47 PM
You deserve every ounce of ire you get though.
You can talk until the cows come home about he said, she said, who did what. But there is one thing that is indisputably true:
Slargos is the one who threw the tantrum and quit.
The truth is always a valid defense against a charge of slander.
:lol:
Fair enough.
I guess I shouldn't beat my head against that wall anyway.
It wasn't a tantrum, however, and I don't know why you'd need to try to frame it that way. I said I would quit, and I did.
But re-tell a lie often enough, and it becomes truth.
So yeah, it was a tantrum in a sense, I guess. Narrative is 9/10ths of Reality, after all.
Quote from: Slargos on May 26, 2011, 02:03:04 PMHabbaku's sig is a constant reminder
Profile -> Modify Profile -> Look and Layout -> check "Don't show users' signatures." -> click "Change profile". Done.
Quote from: ulmont on May 26, 2011, 03:03:08 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 26, 2011, 02:03:04 PMHabbaku's sig is a constant reminder
Profile -> Modify Profile -> Look and Layout -> check "Don't show users' signatures." -> click "Change profile". Done.
Meh. I'd know it's there anyway. But thanks, I didn't know about that function. :hmm:
Quote from: Habbaku on May 26, 2011, 01:50:31 PM
DW is still quite t3h brokene and there's no way in hell I'm playing with it in the current state.
What exactly is wrong with DW right now that they haven't fixed yet?
Quote from: Solmyr on May 26, 2011, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on May 26, 2011, 01:50:31 PM
DW is still quite t3h brokene and there's no way in hell I'm playing with it in the current state.
What exactly is wrong with DW right now that they haven't fixed yet?
Cascading wars, for one. Hordes also.
Does naval warfare work yet? I haven't played in quite a while.
Quote from: DGuller on May 26, 2011, 04:26:21 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on May 26, 2011, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on May 26, 2011, 01:50:31 PM
DW is still quite t3h brokene and there's no way in hell I'm playing with it in the current state.
What exactly is wrong with DW right now that they haven't fixed yet?
Cascading wars, for one. Hordes also.
I hate going to war with a OPM without allies or guarantors and then two weeks later finding myself at war with the bulk of europe. This is a problem. Hordes have been nerfed a bit, but they can be nerfed a bit more.
Quote from: Slargos on May 26, 2011, 02:48:48 PM
It wasn't a tantrum
It was a tantrum. You refused to abide by the terms of peace immediately after they had been negotiated, then you proceeded to whine a few moments. Then you advanced to "So, we're done here?"
Then you quit.
You can call it a hissy fit, if that helps.
Quote from: DGuller on May 26, 2011, 04:26:21 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on May 26, 2011, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on May 26, 2011, 01:50:31 PM
DW is still quite t3h brokene and there's no way in hell I'm playing with it in the current state.
What exactly is wrong with DW right now that they haven't fixed yet?
Cascading wars, for one. Hordes also.
These shouldn't be a big problem in MP. Especially if we pick a later start date.
Quote from: Solmyr on May 26, 2011, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 26, 2011, 04:26:21 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on May 26, 2011, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on May 26, 2011, 01:50:31 PM
DW is still quite t3h brokene and there's no way in hell I'm playing with it in the current state.
What exactly is wrong with DW right now that they haven't fixed yet?
Cascading wars, for one. Hordes also.
These shouldn't be a big problem in MP. Especially if we pick a later start date.
I am fine with a later start date, rare is the issue we cannot address. Cascading wars should be mitigated by less countries on the board. Are there any other issues?
Cascading wars are still a problem for the player starting with a smaller country. This pretty much limits us to great power starting countries.
Quote from: Habbaku on May 26, 2011, 06:18:40 PM
Quote from: Slargos on May 26, 2011, 02:48:48 PM
It wasn't a tantrum
It was a tantrum. You refused to abide by the terms of peace immediately after they had been negotiated, then you proceeded to whine a few moments. Then you advanced to "So, we're done here?"
Then you quit.
You can call it a hissy fit, if that helps.
Nonsense. I tried to make peace several times and we reached terms, yet you continued the war obliterating several armies in the process. At that point I didn't see a big reason to be helpful.
But if it makes you feel better, keep up with the bullshit.
An interesting start date could be the onset of the 30 years war.
eg. we could actually go until 1820.
Quote from: DGuller on May 26, 2011, 11:37:23 PM
Cascading wars are still a problem for the player starting with a smaller country. This pretty much limits us to great power starting countries.
We pretty much play great powers anyway.
Another option (depending on the number of players) is to play only western techgroup countries. That would concentrate players into a smaller area with less danger from cascading wars and hordes being further east.
That's an idea. With the super-duper buildings, there is less advantage to the periphery powers being able to gobble up their way to the east.
I am game!
Sounds like there's interest.
I caved in and bought HTTT and DW because they are only about 3 euros each.
Am I going to be: disappointed again?
Quote from: Maladict on June 09, 2011, 02:18:49 PM
I caved in and bought HTTT and DW because they are only about 3 euros each.
Am I going to be: disappointed again?
Eu3 has been a constant disappointment, so I'm not sure why you'd think these might not be.
Quote from: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 02:20:42 PM
Eu3 has been a constant disappointment, so I'm not sure why you'd think these might not be.
:(
First impression: it is definitely easier on the eyes.
Second impression: none so far.
For 3 euros each? I'd say it's worth it. HTTT is good by now, and DW will get there eventually.
eugame.exe crashes on exit every time. WAD?
Quote from: Solmyr on June 09, 2011, 04:12:26 PM
For 3 euros each? I'd say it's worth it. HTTT is good by now, and DW will get there eventually.
They never did fix the problem where HTTT crashes when you look in the ledger.
Quote from: Maladict on June 09, 2011, 04:16:45 PM
eugame.exe crashes on exit every time. WAD?
Yeah. And avoid the ledger.
Otherwise I think HTTT is pretty good. Haven't gotten wind of DW yet, but I never play as Asians anyways. I may pick it up for 4 bucks though.
If we end up ever getting a MP game going I feel as though it will be well worth it
Quote from: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: Maladict on June 09, 2011, 02:18:49 PM
I caved in and bought HTTT and DW because they are only about 3 euros each.
Am I going to be: disappointed again?
Eu3 has been a constant disappointment, so I'm not sure why you'd think these might not be.
Since when?
I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of EU3. I admit I haven't played much with Divine Wind, but my hilariously mis-named EU3: Complete, then EU3: HTTT were great games.
HTTT is great. DW sucks.
Quote from: Barrister on June 09, 2011, 05:52:15 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: Maladict on June 09, 2011, 02:18:49 PM
I caved in and bought HTTT and DW because they are only about 3 euros each.
Am I going to be: disappointed again?
Eu3 has been a constant disappointment, so I'm not sure why you'd think these might not be.
Since when?
I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of EU3. I admit I haven't played much with Divine Wind, but my hilariously mis-named EU3: Complete, then EU3: HTTT were great games.
Since release.
For you uncritical SP-tards, I'm sure it's a blast, but the MP game was totally ruined.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 09, 2011, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on June 09, 2011, 04:12:26 PM
For 3 euros each? I'd say it's worth it. HTTT is good by now, and DW will get there eventually.
They never did fix the problem where HTTT crashes when you look in the ledger.
:huh: When was this? I don't recall the ledger ever crashing.
Quote from: Solmyr on June 10, 2011, 05:12:09 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 09, 2011, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on June 09, 2011, 04:12:26 PM
For 3 euros each? I'd say it's worth it. HTTT is good by now, and DW will get there eventually.
They never did fix the problem where HTTT crashes when you look in the ledger.
:huh: When was this? I don't recall the ledger ever crashing.
Go to page 17.
Quote from: Slargos on June 10, 2011, 03:44:31 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 09, 2011, 05:52:15 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: Maladict on June 09, 2011, 02:18:49 PM
I caved in and bought HTTT and DW because they are only about 3 euros each.
Am I going to be: disappointed again?
Eu3 has been a constant disappointment, so I'm not sure why you'd think these might not be.
Since when?
I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of EU3. I admit I haven't played much with Divine Wind, but my hilariously mis-named EU3: Complete, then EU3: HTTT were great games.
Since release.
For you uncritical SP-tards, I'm sure it's a blast, but the MP game was totally ruined.
Wow, I sure had an incredible amount of fun playing that completely ruined MP game for weeks upon weeks.
Quote from: Josephus on June 10, 2011, 07:12:13 AM
Go to page 17.
I assume it's fixed in DW then, because it doesn't crash. And I am pretty sure I looked at page 17 (list of your armies) many times in HTTT without crashing.
Quote from: Solmyr on June 10, 2011, 08:43:01 AM
Quote from: Josephus on June 10, 2011, 07:12:13 AM
Go to page 17.
I assume it's fixed in DW then, because it doesn't crash. And I am pretty sure I looked at page 17 (list of your armies) many times in HTTT without crashing.
I only ever saw it happen in MP with HTTT - and usually when flipping to the list of CoTs.
Quote from: Berkut on June 10, 2011, 07:17:01 AM
Wow, I sure had an incredible amount of fun playing that completely ruined MP game for weeks upon weeks.
You didn't get your ass handed to you though like poor Slargos.
Quote from: ulmont on June 10, 2011, 09:01:21 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on June 10, 2011, 08:43:01 AM
Quote from: Josephus on June 10, 2011, 07:12:13 AM
Go to page 17.
I assume it's fixed in DW then, because it doesn't crash. And I am pretty sure I looked at page 17 (list of your armies) many times in HTTT without crashing.
I only ever saw it happen in MP with HTTT - and usually when flipping to the list of CoTs.
CTDs for me all the time in SP with HTTT.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 10, 2011, 09:05:33 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 10, 2011, 07:17:01 AM
Wow, I sure had an incredible amount of fun playing that completely ruined MP game for weeks upon weeks.
You didn't get your ass handed to you though like poor Slargos.
This is true. My Holy Roman Empire dominated Europe. It was all a uniform shade of glorious White when everyone else surrendered...
Quote from: Berkut on June 10, 2011, 07:17:01 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 10, 2011, 03:44:31 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 09, 2011, 05:52:15 PM
Quote from: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: Maladict on June 09, 2011, 02:18:49 PM
I caved in and bought HTTT and DW because they are only about 3 euros each.
Am I going to be: disappointed again?
Eu3 has been a constant disappointment, so I'm not sure why you'd think these might not be.
Since when?
I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of EU3. I admit I haven't played much with Divine Wind, but my hilariously mis-named EU3: Complete, then EU3: HTTT were great games.
Since release.
For you uncritical SP-tards, I'm sure it's a blast, but the MP game was totally ruined.
Wow, I sure had an incredible amount of fun playing that completely ruined MP game for weeks upon weeks.
Did you play much Eu2 MP?
I simply found it much more enjoyable than Eu3 which felt like a giant step back in immersion even though it was obviously a superior product in terms of stability and functionality.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 10, 2011, 09:05:33 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 10, 2011, 07:17:01 AM
Wow, I sure had an incredible amount of fun playing that completely ruined MP game for weeks upon weeks.
You didn't get your ass handed to you though like poor Slargos.
The Ottoman Empire was in excellent shape when I left it, and I could've dropped Africa and the Balkans like a hot potato and invested my time fully in India instead. I wouldn't call it an ass-handing. :sleep:
Then why did you ragequit?
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 10, 2011, 02:56:53 PM
Then why did you ragequit?
:D
You sons of bitches. :moon:
I preferred the time when Mother Russia owned half of India.
I miss the time when Ottoman's owned Sicily... oh wait... damn Hansa! :mad:
:lol:
Fucking pwned
I miss the Mughal Empire. :)
Can we just get a HttT game going again?
Quote from: Berkut on June 11, 2011, 12:05:35 PM
Can we just get a HttT game going again?
LOL can I be: Ottoman Empire?
I call: Russia.
I tried a game today playing as a HRE minor, I'd heard changes had been made to the HRE along with Japan in the last mod. Result: :yawn:
I could try Spain...
Quote from: Shade on June 12, 2011, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: JonasSalk on June 11, 2011, 01:25:26 AM
:lol:
Fucking pwned
UGH...! :yuk:
There, there. It's not your fault Austria wasn't doing its job and keeping Hansa under control. Instead, it was too busy losing to Milan.
Quote from: JonasSalk on June 12, 2011, 05:48:57 PM
Quote from: Shade on June 12, 2011, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: JonasSalk on June 11, 2011, 01:25:26 AM
:lol:
Fucking pwned
UGH...! :yuk:
There, there. It's not your fault Austria wasn't doing its job and keeping Hansa under control. Instead, it was too busy losing to Milan.
Ugh I learned so much about how to play and NOT to play ottoman's from that game... hell from that one encounter
Honestly, if you'd planned it right and Geno wasn't a tardo, you guys would have fucked me hard.
I like how my Ottomans were set to inherit the Mamluks and nobody noticed. :osama:
Yeah, that was pretty ridic.
Make sure you are paying attention to what CBs people are DOWing with. :P
You mean seeing that the Ottomans are declaring war on the Mamlukes with a personal union CB is bad?
Ya but they can be the hardest ones to submit... so damn big usually
Usually have to take them out in a few wars, yeah. Or maybe call for western assistance and have France grab Jerusalem.
I dunno, usually their armies fold after you get a couple of land tech levels as the Ottomans.
Quote from: Solmyr on June 15, 2011, 04:57:42 AM
I dunno, usually their armies fold after you get a couple of land tech levels as the Ottomans.
Yes but to make them submit you need to have a few wars to take them out slowly. I had them down to just their African provs (which unfortunately spread down most of the east coast) And I needed a war score of 140 to PU them... it was VERY annoying.
I just got done playing the first session of an MP game. Everything seemed to go alright; there were some cascading alliances but human alliances were able to deal with those for the most part. The horde mechanic is the biggest pain in the ass. I am Novgorod and can't do much at all against the Golden Horde yet. They have a much bigger army than me (I have seen 50+ regiments, and I only have 24). They have swallowed most of Muscowy and Ryazan. It is going to require a big multi-human effort to break them the first time, if that even.
Does anyone have any pointers or tips on how to fight PvP wars? That is really the only hole in my game; I understand the mechanics, am able to use diplomacy with other humans, can usually curb-stomp AI countries that aren't ridiculously more powerful than I but I just cannot win a PvP war for the life of me.
I think I tend to be too aggressive. I usually end up merging a bunch of stacks into a couple huge doomstacks that take huge attrition loses and I also seem to push the attacks too far. If I win a battle I will almost always advance with the losing army trying to poof it and end up too deep into enemy territory and unable to reinforce. It seems to me that is how others fight too but I must be doing something wrong because I just can't seem to beat another player if the odds are even close to even.
I finally bought the complete EU3 for seven dollars.
To beat the Golden Horde, start in 1453.
Expanding against the Horde, and other nomads, is incredibly slow. You have to siege the province then colonize it, once it gets to 1000 pop it defects to you. I smashed the Horde armies quickly enough but between the ~25d cost, the ~60 day travel time, the horrible luck I had colonizing (I swear I failed 50% pf my 70% chances) and the time it takes to collect colonists you have to be at war with the Horde for years and are lucky to get 2 provinces out of the deal.
:hmm: Sounds like a good way to nerf Russia/Ottomans.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 03, 2011, 03:27:21 PM
:hmm: Sounds like a good way to nerf Russia/Ottomans.
It hasn't seemed to slow the Turks down much. I was too busy fighting but they seemed to be going crazy as usual.
Here is the world map from Feb 1471
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Here's the map from Feb 1432
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PvP fighting is part science, part artform.
There's no one strategy to employ, and tactics vary wildly between the different tech levels.
As a general rule,
- Remember that in a battle with equal numbers in manpower, the side with the 5 fresh regiments hits harder than the one with 10 half-strength. Top up your troops before combat if possible.
- Attrition is murder. Learn to understand this, and find ways to trick your opponent into fighting where he will be hit harder by it than you.
- The size of the manpower pool decides wars, all else being equal.
Neat. The Czechs aren't a superpower. That's good.
Quote from: Slargos on July 03, 2011, 03:43:57 PM
PvP fighting is part science, part artform.
There's no one strategy to employ, and tactics vary wildly between the different tech levels.
As a general rule,
- Remember that in a battle with equal numbers in manpower, the side with the 5 fresh regiments hits harder than the one with 10 half-strength. Top up your troops before combat if possible.
- Attrition is murder. Learn to understand this, and find ways to trick your opponent into fighting where he will be hit harder by it than you.
- The size of the manpower pool decides wars, all else being equal.
I also suggest WE. I once lost a multiplayer war as a unified germany with thousands of ducats in the bank, hundreds of thousands of MP and regiments in production in every single province but those damn 6 shock turkish generals that struck me fresh with me having suffered a decade of war already with my WE rising slowly but surely. Habbaku's (he was turkey) initial invasion caught me out of position (I was returning from destroying Katmai's France for the second time during the war) and was able to deal with my field army piecemeal. He was able to chase down and destroy much of my army helped by the reduced morale of high WE. Most damaging, however, was the fact that WE meant that build time for regiments was well over a year so I could not replace my lost army before the turks had overrun most of austria, bohemia and bavaria when I realized that I was not going to be able to beat him and had to surrender humiliatingly to avoid total defeat.
Something in your story doesn't track, Viking.
You're saying France and OE cooperated?
Inconceivable.
Quote from: Slargos on July 03, 2011, 05:33:28 PM
Something in your story doesn't track, Viking.
You're saying France and OE cooperated?
Inconceivable.
I did all the reforms and created the HRE. Everybody (except DGuller's Spain, who was supposed to be on my side) cooperated against me. To be honest, everybody was needed to take me down.
I don't think everybody was necessary to take you down. A competent France (sorry Katmai!) combined with my Turks would've been enough to at least stalemate you. Add in a third, minor power (like Britain) and you'd have fallen.
If DG had jumped in on your side like he promised you, the war would've been over before it had begun.
Quote from: Viking on July 03, 2011, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: Slargos on July 03, 2011, 05:33:28 PM
Something in your story doesn't track, Viking.
You're saying France and OE cooperated?
Inconceivable.
I did all the reforms and created the HRE. Everybody (except DGuller's Spain, who was supposed to be on my side) cooperated against me. To be honest, everybody was needed to take me down.
Well. You ARE a rather copious fellow.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 03, 2011, 05:45:22 PM
I don't think everybody was necessary to take you down. A competent France (sorry Katmai!) combined with my Turks would've been enough to at least stalemate you. Add in a third, minor power (like Britain) and you'd have fallen.
If DG had jumped in on your side like he promised you, the war would've been over before it had begun.
DG didn't promise me to join. I told him that if my agreement with Katmai held and France would not join any wars against HRE then he would not have to. Katmai obviously did not keep to my agreement with him. I was selling him the wallonian provinces for 0 ducats each when he declared war on me. He didn't even wait until I had sold him all the provinces I promised him, which I found very very amusing at the time. If he had waited a few weeks (gametime) he would have gotten 4 more valuable french culture group provinces from me, one per week. Beating france was easy, but I broke Katmai in the SP method and taking out France happened quickly and efficiently, but at high WE cost. I kicked you out of austria after that and fiddled around with trying to invade you using my access to hungary without much success. After the truce with France expired Katmai attacked again and I smote him again and accepted a white peace again. Only by that time you had your 6 shock generals, I had my 20 WE so I couldn't really build new units due to the time delay due to WE. Your shock generals annhillated too many of my armies and iirc I was down to about 50 regiments against your 100+ inside my territory with your leader and tech advantage and every single one of my provinces building (very slowly) new regiments I thought that by the time I could fight back Katmai would have declared war on me for the third time. At that point I appealed to DGuller to stop your transport of men to venice, he then declared that he had made an agreement with you to stay neutral and, anyway, didn't have the fleet to fight you at all. My gripe with DGuller was that he made that deal with you and was unwilling and unable to break it. What I regret is making peace with Katmai the first time, I should have just occupied all of france and waited built my strength going. I also regret not maximizing my army when I had the change in the inter-bellum.
Fun game. I was rebuilding the HRE to the best of my ability, but staying up all night playing EU3 on a weeknight was just too much for me.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 03, 2011, 05:45:22 PM
I don't think everybody was necessary to take you down. A competent France (sorry Katmai!)
no offense taken. Between taking over from sub in conjunction with my own ineptitude didn't help anybody but Viking. :D
Paragraph breaks are your friend.
Quote from: Viking on July 03, 2011, 06:11:00 PM
Fun game. I was rebuilding the HRE to the best of my ability, but staying up all night playing EU3 on a weeknight was just too much for me.
Why I quit the weekend games. Getting up at 6:30am on day off to play game just got to be too much.
Quote from: Habbaku on July 03, 2011, 06:24:57 PM
Paragraph breaks are your friend.
:(
Didn't realize two sentences needed a paragraph break.
:P
Quote from: katmai on July 03, 2011, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on July 03, 2011, 05:45:22 PM
I don't think everybody was necessary to take you down. A competent France (sorry Katmai!)
no offense taken. Between taking over from sub in conjunction with my own ineptitude didn't help anybody but Viking. :D
What I don't get is why you didn't wait until I had handed over all my french culture provinces before declaring war on me?
Fuck if I remember the particulars of that. :)
Quote from: katmai on July 03, 2011, 06:50:20 PM
Fuck if I remember the particulars of that. :)
We made a deal
I give you 7 French and Walloon provinces the HRE will own after the formation.
You stay at peace with me for the inevitable war of Habbakuite Aggression.
I formed the HRE and ceded you the first 3 provicnes, selling them one per week. Before I could give you the remaining four Habbaku convinced you to join the war against me and you declared war on me.
Good generals appear to be important in MP wars. I'm still stumped on how to get a lot of them at one time, though - army tradition is just so damn slow.
And we really need to start a new game. I'm open to almost any day and hour. Really, EU3 is quite playable now (there was another beta patch recently too).
Quote from: Viking on July 03, 2011, 06:11:00 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on July 03, 2011, 05:45:22 PM
I don't think everybody was necessary to take you down. A competent France (sorry Katmai!) combined with my Turks would've been enough to at least stalemate you. Add in a third, minor power (like Britain) and you'd have fallen.
If DG had jumped in on your side like he promised you, the war would've been over before it had begun.
DG didn't promise me to join. I told him that if my agreement with Katmai held and France would not join any wars against HRE then he would not have to. Katmai obviously did not keep to my agreement with him. I was selling him the wallonian provinces for 0 ducats each when he declared war on me. He didn't even wait until I had sold him all the provinces I promised him, which I found very very amusing at the time. If he had waited a few weeks (gametime) he would have gotten 4 more valuable french culture group provinces from me, one per week. Beating france was easy, but I broke Katmai in the SP method and taking out France happened quickly and efficiently, but at high WE cost. I kicked you out of austria after that and fiddled around with trying to invade you using my access to hungary without much success. After the truce with France expired Katmai attacked again and I smote him again and accepted a white peace again. Only by that time you had your 6 shock generals, I had my 20 WE so I couldn't really build new units due to the time delay due to WE. Your shock generals annhillated too many of my armies and iirc I was down to about 50 regiments against your 100+ inside my territory with your leader and tech advantage and every single one of my provinces building (very slowly) new regiments I thought that by the time I could fight back Katmai would have declared war on me for the third time. At that point I appealed to DGuller to stop your transport of men to venice, he then declared that he had made an agreement with you to stay neutral and, anyway, didn't have the fleet to fight you at all. My gripe with DGuller was that he made that deal with you and was unwilling and unable to break it. What I regret is making peace with Katmai the first time, I should have just occupied all of france and waited built my strength going. I also regret not maximizing my army when I had the change in the inter-bellum.
Fun game. I was rebuilding the HRE to the best of my ability, but staying up all night playing EU3 on a weeknight was just too much for me.
I remember that one, it was my first game, and my second session. There was a crucial miscommunication in my agreement with you, which kinda led me to believe I didn't have to fight when you expected me to fight. I though that your agreement with me was for the purpose of keeping Spain out of the gangbang. I also didn't reach any deals with Habbaku, I merely informed him of my intended neutrality, and he told all the allies to get off my back (I was technically in a state of war throughout). In hindsight, my actions were kinda noobish.
man that game was epic
I also remember my first PvP war. It was against Ottomans, after they went too far into northern Africa. Me and Berkut's Britain decided to attack him in a limited war, without drawing in the other three big powers. When Habbaku learned that only us two would be attacking him, he LOLed. As it turns out, he LOLed for a good reason.
Well how do people think of playing on a weekend night? that way no need for people to get little sleep before work, and we can get a kick ass game going.
I'm game. Fridays, Saturdays, whatever?
Quote from: Viking on July 03, 2011, 06:53:16 PM
Quote from: katmai on July 03, 2011, 06:50:20 PM
Fuck if I remember the particulars of that. :)
We made a deal
I give you 7 French and Walloon provinces the HRE will own after the formation.
You stay at peace with me for the inevitable war of Habbakuite Aggression.
I formed the HRE and ceded you the first 3 provicnes, selling them one per week. Before I could give you the remaining four Habbaku convinced you to join the war against me and you declared war on me.
It's easy. Katmai doesn't honour agreements.
But then, he IS a filthy Mexican.
I just don't honor agreements with scandi-tards. ^_^
Quote from: JonasSalk on July 05, 2011, 12:56:26 AM
I'm game. Fridays, Saturdays, whatever?
Fridays might be best... I do know that I leave for vacation through Last week of July. Think we leave Saturday but I would miss a game... for those of of you that remember playing with me last summer the condo's internet sucks balls!
Quote from: JonasSalk on July 05, 2011, 12:56:26 AM
I'm game. Fridays, Saturdays, whatever?
I'd go for Friday or Saturday night (I presume in US eastern coast terms). It'll be night-early morning for me but a weekend so it's ok.
Quote from: katmai on July 05, 2011, 01:09:43 AM
I just don't honor agreements with scandi-tards. ^_^
Noted.
Quote from: Solmyr on July 05, 2011, 09:39:18 AM
Quote from: JonasSalk on July 05, 2011, 12:56:26 AM
I'm game. Fridays, Saturdays, whatever?
I'd go for Friday or Saturday night (I presume in US eastern coast terms). It'll be night-early morning for me but a weekend so it's ok.
would this time frame work for others? perhaps even older veterans who haven't played a Languish Europa MP in a while?...
Anyone? Habs? Guller? Berkut?
I'm out. I sadly have neither desire, not regular availability at the times in question.
Yeah, Friday night is a deal breaker for me. Only realistic shot I would have would be something like Tuesdays or something.
The last patch is now official, fwiw. I bought DW but haven't installed it. Not sure if I will yet. I like HttT.
It has some interesting ideas but in true Paradox fashion they are poorly executed. I wouldn't recommend DW if you only play SP, I only got it to play an MP game and the expansion itself isn't doing a whole lot for me.
I like the new way of constructing buildings. I like the map a lot more. This being languish I would never say the map is good of course. I just like it more.
I agree they are nice changes, they aren't worth $20 for me though. I'm not interested in Asia and three of the main selling points-new Japan, new China and hordes are all broken.
I'm looking for EU3 suggestions (mostly because I'm not in court today, instead am bored in my office).
I started playing a game as Scotland couple days ago. Basic plan is to not expand into Great Britain, but stay as a more-or-less recognizable Scotland, and just try and trade / colonize my way to wealth.
But I figured first things first I needed to bring England down to size. England got into an immediate war with France. I waited a couple years, then allied with France (and a bunch of Irish minors) and started my own war. That war went swimmingly - all English forces were on the continent and were destroyed. France took everything but Calais, while I took Cumbria and Northumberland (which is all I ever want from England), while liberating Wales and Cornwall.
So here's my question: now that I have two English cores is there any way to avoid having England DOW me like clockwork every five years? Will joining them in an alliance work? Will force vassalizing them work (or am I still too small to be able to do it)?
You can force them to give up their cores on you after the next war. I imagine, though, that they're going to keep getting missions that would put you in their path.
BB, there is also a cultural unity option you can use with magistrates which removes foreign cores from those territories - but I think you also need to have cores there yourself.
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 05, 2011, 12:31:25 PM
BB, there is also a cultural unity option you can use with magistrates which removes foreign cores from those territories - but I think you also need to have cores there yourself.
Not sure how it works, as I did get an option for cultural unity on Northumberland (but not Cumbria). Now to see how long it takes to fire.
But as DG points out, the bigger problem will probably be the anti-Scottish mission they get.
I'm not sure just how much this might be changed in HttT, but before that expansion, even if you win another war and force them to give up the cores on your provinces, they were likely to get them back sooner or later by random event.
As for force-vassalizing them, it doesn't matter much how big or how small you are, what matters is that they have to be big enough that the force-vassalize peace option is worth no more than 100% war score. I don't remember exactly, but I think they probably need to lose at least a couple more provinces before you can force-vassalize them. Of course, you could take a couple of provinces that you don't want and then sell them to Wales or Cornwall. That means yet another war to force-vassalize them, of course, but at that point they won't be so tough anymore.
Getting them in an alliance will work in theory, but there are some problems. First, it'll take a good bit of money to get relations up to where they have even a chance to agree. That's not too big a problem, but once you do get relations up, it'll still be impossible to get them to agree it either you or they have too many allies already. And if you do get an alliance with them, if you declare war on another country too soon, they'll just break the alliance. And even after that, they may break it at some point for no apparant reason.
Again, all of that is pre-HttT.
The cultural unity decision will ony remove the cores of countries that don't exist yet.
Cultural unity on Northumberland will remove the Northumberlan core but not the English core. Also you don't have to wait for an event to fire, just get two magistrates and enacht the decision.
It also requires NF.
BTW, does EU: Rome still suck?
Probably.
Given how exciting it's wiki article is, I'd guess yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Universalis:_Rome
Quote from: garbon on August 15, 2011, 11:09:22 AM
Given how exciting it's wiki article is, I'd guess yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_Universalis:_Rome
Can you summarize...I really don't have time to read all that.
The reception section is really telling. :lol:
Quote from: DGuller on August 15, 2011, 11:12:05 AM
The reception section is really telling. :lol:
:lol:
It really does sum up the gameplay experience.
I just installed EU Complete. Give me play tips.
Tried playing Qara Koyunlu. Hordes suck. I hate them.
And the Fun2EU (http://sites.google.com/site/fun2paradox/fun2eu) mod is pretty fun, making things more detailed and balanced (especially the NI) while avoiding the tons of restrictive and irritating crap that Magna Mundi adds.
so I suppose that we are never to play an MP of this game again...
So, any current tips for MP warfare? I'm starting a MP game on Sunday and wouldn't mind some help from pros. I'll be playing France, we also have England, Spain, Austria and Venice!Italy as players.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 11, 2011, 04:57:15 PM
I just installed EU Complete. Give me play tips.
Is that with Divine Wind or not?
I have no fucking clue. I haven't played EU of any brand in years, and couldn't get into Vicky. So just tell me what to do and stop asking questions.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 21, 2011, 01:14:39 PM
I have no fucking clue. I haven't played EU of any brand in years, and couldn't get into Vicky. So just tell me what to do and stop asking questions.
Don't buy anything labeled complete made by Paradox. It's false advertising.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 21, 2011, 04:39:25 AM
So, any current tips for MP warfare? I'm starting a MP game on Sunday and wouldn't mind some help from pros. I'll be playing France, we also have England, Spain, Austria and Venice!Italy as players.
You're France?
Rape England out of Europe ASAP. Get on Spain's good side. Rape as much of Italy as possible. Also, rape.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2011, 05:36:19 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 11, 2011, 04:57:15 PM
I just installed EU Complete. Give me play tips.
Is that with Divine Wind or not?
No, it only has the first three expansions.
The one with DW and HTTT is "Chronicles".
Quote from: JonasSalk on September 22, 2011, 11:21:11 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on September 21, 2011, 04:39:25 AM
So, any current tips for MP warfare? I'm starting a MP game on Sunday and wouldn't mind some help from pros. I'll be playing France, we also have England, Spain, Austria and Venice!Italy as players.
You're France?
Rape England out of Europe ASAP. Get on Spain's good side. Rape as much of Italy as possible. Also, rape.
England consented to the rape and will likely be selling their French provinces to me anyway. I'm considering the possibilities of an early rape of Burgundy, before it annexes all the OPMs and while it still doesn't have huge armies. The only problem is that HRE Bohemia will come in on Burgundy's side.
So? A mostly-united France should have no problem kicking the shit out of them unless you're Kleves or Tamas.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 23, 2011, 09:29:23 AM
So? A mostly-united France should have no problem kicking the shit out of them unless you're Kleves or Tamas.
:pinch:
Quote from: DGuller on September 23, 2011, 09:55:08 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 23, 2011, 09:29:23 AM
So? A mostly-united France should have no problem kicking the shit out of them unless you're Kleves or Tamas.
:pinch:
Or Katmai.
I didn't know katmai played EU3. :huh: He was France in my first game, but I wouldn't classify that as playing.
Quote from: DGuller on September 23, 2011, 10:19:54 AM
I didn't know katmai played EU3. :huh: He was France in my first game, but I wouldn't classify that as playing.
Yes, I remember blitzing katmai twice in 5 years....
Quote from: Viking on September 23, 2011, 10:30:47 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 23, 2011, 10:19:54 AM
I didn't know katmai played EU3. :huh: He was France in my first game, but I wouldn't classify that as playing.
Yes, I remember blitzing katmai twice in 5 years....
Which was, really, the only way you could've won that war, though the writing was on the wall as soon as England hopped in and Spain hopped out. I always did the same thing when playing the ogre power, myself--pick the weakest link and pound them to dust using everything you have.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 23, 2011, 04:52:03 AM
England consented to the rape and will likely be selling their French provinces to me anyway.
To comment further on this, your English player is a buffoon. I am decidedly of the opinion that it is one of the largest mistakes the English can make to sell/concede the French provinces without much of a fight. The further they retreat into their little island/colonial chain, the more irrelevant that they become outside of acting as a spoiler.
Quote from: Habbaku on September 23, 2011, 02:41:30 PM
Quote from: Viking on September 23, 2011, 10:30:47 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 23, 2011, 10:19:54 AM
I didn't know katmai played EU3. :huh: He was France in my first game, but I wouldn't classify that as playing.
Yes, I remember blitzing katmai twice in 5 years....
Which was, really, the only way you could've won that war, though the writing was on the wall as soon as England hopped in and Spain hopped out. I always did the same thing when playing the ogre power, myself--pick the weakest link and pound them to dust using everything you have.
meh, my true mistake was to delay building a monster army. I thought I was doing well until your invasion started. At that point I started building troops. The problem was that it my first troops would have taken two years to build my regiments accross all of germany... that and your shock generals.
Yeah, I think I had, what, four shock 6 generals at one point? And plenty of cavalry.
Doesn't matter how fast you build when your armies disappear in a month due to that. :licklips:
Quote from: Habbaku on September 23, 2011, 09:29:23 AM
So? A mostly-united France should have no problem kicking the shit out of them unless you're Kleves or Tamas.
The problem here is combining "mostly-united France" and "early", since France can only annex one vassal every 10 years.
Also, what is a good army composition to use early on? 4 cav and 8 inf?
Best first NI I assume is +1 morale. And an army tradition guy for an advisor?
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 06:04:48 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on September 23, 2011, 09:29:23 AM
So? A mostly-united France should have no problem kicking the shit out of them unless you're Kleves or Tamas.
The problem here is combining "mostly-united France" and "early", since France can only annex one vassal every 10 years.
Don't be afraid of getting a bit of BB for annexing the militarily.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 06:04:48 AM
Also, what is a good army composition to use early on? 4 cav and 8 inf?
That depends, what is the maintenance level in the province you expect to be standing in.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 06:04:48 AM
Best first NI I assume is +1 morale. And an army tradition guy for an advisor?
For France probably, thought large army or increased manpower ones are possible as well. You might also do pretty well with patron of the arts which gives you good advisers.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 06:04:48 AM
The problem here is combining "mostly-united France" and "early", since France can only annex one vassal every 10 years.
You can only diplo-annex one every ten years. Last I checked, France starts with cores on all its vassals. What's to stop you from canceling the vassalization and mil-annexing them one after the other?
True. It might ring some alarm bells, though.
I should mention that the players of England and Castile haven't played MP before, which is probably why England caved in so easily. I'm sure I will be fine, but I wouldn't mind learning some MP intricacies (and I'm still secretly hoping for a new Languish game).
When do you think France should enter the colonization game? ASAP, or wait a while. Basically, when to take QftNW?
Also, is there any reason to move your NF anymore, with province decisions gone? Other than to help with conversion, possibly.
Quote from: Viking on September 24, 2011, 06:31:04 AM
For France probably, thought large army or increased manpower ones are possible as well. You might also do pretty well with patron of the arts which gives you good advisers.
I would go with the +1 morale or Patron of the Arts, most likely the +1 morale as France. With that extra bit of morale you don't have to worry about a unit wiping if you are at low maintenance and have a rebel spawn on top of you.
PotA was probably my favorite Idea in HttT, a 6 star Master of Mint gives -.12 inflation, National bank is -.10. The same is true for every Idea that has a corresponding adviser, so 3 6 star advisers is like 3 extra Ideas. I don't think I like it as much in DW since you can only have one of each type of adviser, though I haven't decided if that makes PotA more powerful or less. :hmm:
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 11:20:29 AM
Also, is there any reason to move your NF anymore, with province decisions gone? Other than to help with conversion, possibly.
Or colonization. Or to screw with an opponent, assuming they still get a penalty if an enemy NF is affecting their province.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 11:20:29 AM
True. It might ring some alarm bells, though.
It's not like they are expecting you to leave them unannexed. If they are going to object now they will do so later as well, only they will be stronger then (having annexed scotland, aragon, portugal, naples and ireland). Do it now, while these countries as AI can resist England and Castille.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 11:20:29 AM
I should mention that the players of England and Castile haven't played MP before, which is probably why England caved in so easily. I'm sure I will be fine, but I wouldn't mind learning some MP intricacies (and I'm still secretly hoping for a new Languish game).
Eurotime game?
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 11:20:29 AM
When do you think France should enter the colonization game? ASAP, or wait a while. Basically, when to take QftNW?
"If" not "When".
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 11:20:29 AM
Also, is there any reason to move your NF anymore, with province decisions gone? Other than to help with conversion, possibly.
Settlement policies, income boost etc. RR reduction (iirc). Event related. Many reasons.
In between building sprees, you can usually spend magistrates on cultural tradition. The random events from universities and fine arts academies can also give you CT. So I don't think PotA is essential for that.
NF only helps with colonial growth, which is mostly achieved by spending colonists anyway, and you can only move it once per 30 years, so I think it's inefficient for helping colonization. It does reduce tax income by 50% for your neighbors.
Quote from: Viking on September 24, 2011, 11:31:59 AM
Eurotime game?
For a Languish game I'm willing to be flexible regarding times. My schedule doesn't depend on early mornings atm.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 11:33:41 AM
In between building sprees, you can usually spend magistrates on cultural tradition. The random events from universities and fine arts academies can also give you CT. So I don't think PotA is essential for that.
NF only helps with colonial growth, which is mostly achieved by spending colonists anyway, and you can only move it once per 30 years, so I think it's inefficient for helping colonization. It does reduce tax income by 50% for your neighbors.
Early on you will have more magistrates than money and will need to spend them on CT to avoid wasting them. After 100 years or so any decent sized country will be wishing for more magistrates so they can build more buildings.
Quote from: sbr on September 24, 2011, 11:37:48 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 11:33:41 AM
In between building sprees, you can usually spend magistrates on cultural tradition. The random events from universities and fine arts academies can also give you CT. So I don't think PotA is essential for that.
NF only helps with colonial growth, which is mostly achieved by spending colonists anyway, and you can only move it once per 30 years, so I think it's inefficient for helping colonization. It does reduce tax income by 50% for your neighbors.
Early on you will have more magistrates than money and will need to spend them on CT to avoid wasting them. After 100 years or so any decent sized country will be wishing for more magistrates so they can build more buildings.
Thats what lvl6 government buildings are for.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 11:20:29 AM
I should mention that the players of England and Castile haven't played MP before, which is probably why England caved in so easily.
When do you think France should enter the colonization game? ASAP, or wait a while. Basically, when to take QftNW?
In this position, never take QftNW. Instead, vassalize German minors, support Scotland and Aragon and generally make a complete menace of yourself until the whole board teams against you. It may cause some to ragequit, it may end up with you being obliterated some time in the 1500s, but oh will it be fun.
Quote from: Viking on September 24, 2011, 11:50:06 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 24, 2011, 11:37:48 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 11:33:41 AM
In between building sprees, you can usually spend magistrates on cultural tradition. The random events from universities and fine arts academies can also give you CT. So I don't think PotA is essential for that.
NF only helps with colonial growth, which is mostly achieved by spending colonists anyway, and you can only move it once per 30 years, so I think it's inefficient for helping colonization. It does reduce tax income by 50% for your neighbors.
Early on you will have more magistrates than money and will need to spend them on CT to avoid wasting them. After 100 years or so any decent sized country will be wishing for more magistrates so they can build more buildings.
Thats what lvl6 government buildings are for.
More magistrates?
That is the level 5 Government building and there are a few problems with that. You can only have one level 5 or 6 building in any province and I would much rather have almost any other branch, outside of Naval, than that. Also where do you get the magistrates to build that many buildings? Are you building nothing but Gov buildings anywhere? The +0.05 mags fro level 5 don't seem to be worth it. You are also losing a lot of income ignoring the Production and Trade buildings.
Gov:
Level 5:
local_revolt_risk = -2
local_spy_defence = 0.25
spies = 0.05
officials = 0.05
Level 6:
stability_investment = 10
local_spy_defence = 0.25
local_missionary_placement_chance = 0.01
missionaries = 0.05
Land:
Level 5:
regiment_recruit_speed = -0.3
local_manpower_modifier = 0.3
local_manpower = 5
land_forcelimit = 5
Production:
Level 5:
local_tax_modifier = 0.5
Level 6:
tax_income = 5 #increase tax with 5$
Trade:
Level 5:
global_trade_income_modifier = 0.01
Level 6:
trade_efficiency = 0.01
Quote from: sbr on September 24, 2011, 12:06:01 PM
More magistrates?
That is the level 5 Government building and there are a few problems with that. You can only have one level 5 or 6 building in any province and I would much rather have almost any other branch, outside of Naval, than that. Also where do you get the magistrates to build that many buildings? Are you building nothing but Gov buildings anywhere? The +0.05 mags fro level 5 don't seem to be worth it. You are also losing a lot of income ignoring the Production and Trade buildings.
Gov:
Level 5:
local_revolt_risk = -2
local_spy_defence = 0.25
spies = 0.05
officials = 0.05
With Russia I got to 15ish magistrates per year. Maxed the crappy provinces to 4 in everything, then switched the high level government buildings to other stuff. But that is a short term cost for a long term benefit.
Quote from: Viking on September 24, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 24, 2011, 12:06:01 PM
More magistrates?
That is the level 5 Government building and there are a few problems with that. You can only have one level 5 or 6 building in any province and I would much rather have almost any other branch, outside of Naval, than that. Also where do you get the magistrates to build that many buildings? Are you building nothing but Gov buildings anywhere? The +0.05 mags fro level 5 don't seem to be worth it. You are also losing a lot of income ignoring the Production and Trade buildings.
Gov:
Level 5:
local_revolt_risk = -2
local_spy_defence = 0.25
spies = 0.05
officials = 0.05
With Russia I got to 15ish magistrates per year. Maxed the crappy provinces to 4 in everything, then switched the high level government buildings to other stuff. But that is a short term cost for a long term benefit.
Could you give me more info on this because it seems pretty far-fetched to me, especially considering my experience with Russia in my current MP game in which it is the mid 1600s?
So you are saying you built nothing but Gov buildings until you had Colleges (level 5) in every province, which sounds impossible to me but whatever, then started building the other buildings with the few extra magistrates you got? Each College gives you +0.05 magistrates. To get an extra 10 per year, which still wouldn't get
me to 15, you would need to build 200 Colleges.
I am at about the historic borders for Russia and only have ~140 provinces, but that isn't important. Each College would require 5 magistrates, for a total of 1000. Now assuming you were collecting the magistrates at the 15 per year max you claim that might be possible, but remember you needed to start at the beginning. I will give the benefit of the doubt and give 3 per year to start, which is
really high but makes the math easier.
Each College takes 6 years to build, again to make the math easier we will go in groups of 20 (each group of 20 would give you +1 magistrate). The first group of twenty would take about 40 years (240 months total and building 3 per year). The next would be around 30 years. I don't want to continue the math but I suppose it is possible to get there in 400 years.
You then destroyed those Colleges and started building new Trade and Production buildings?
Just to get back to the original topic, you then had extra magistrates to increase Cultural Tradition? :huh:
EDIT: My math on the number of year to build 20 is really wrong give me a minute or two.
EDIT EDIT: Maybe it is right, I have confused myself.
I had russian borders plus 6 scan provinces, Baltic coast down to east prussia, Lithuania, all GH and steppe nomad provinces, Iran, Caucasus, North India, Inland SEAsia provinces China and Korea plus colonizing the entire corridor by 1650, when the holy war CB ran out. So, I had well more than 200 provinces. I beelined for magistrates.
Once I got caught up with the basic four levels of buildings (not forts and remember most provinces in inland asia get ports) I trashed the colleges and started building other buildings. I didn't play out the game though, too much of a hassle running all of asia.
Edit: At some point I also stopped building MP buildings, I had much more manpower than I could spend or use. Colleges take 24 months to build, not 6 years.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 24, 2011, 11:35:24 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 24, 2011, 11:31:59 AM
Eurotime game?
For a Languish game I'm willing to be flexible regarding times. My schedule doesn't depend on early mornings atm.
I am young and would be willing to play at anytime I was not working.....
Quote from: Viking on September 24, 2011, 12:51:11 PM
I had russian borders plus 6 scan provinces, Baltic coast down to east prussia, Lithuania, all GH and steppe nomad provinces, Iran, Caucasus, North India, Inland SEAsia provinces China and Korea plus colonizing the entire corridor by 1650, when the holy war CB ran out. So, I had well more than 200 provinces. I beelined for magistrates.
Once I got caught up with the basic four levels of buildings (not forts and remember most provinces in inland asia get ports) I trashed the colleges and started building other buildings. I didn't play out the game though, too much of a hassle running all of asia.
Edit: At some point I also stopped building MP buildings, I had much more manpower than I could spend or use. Colleges take 24 months to build, not 6 years.
I meant from the start, a province that had no gov building would take 6 years to get to College.
On the subject of CT, you can also take Church Attendance Duty (always nice for large multicultural empires) and enact Gilded Iconography, it gives the same +3 CT and a bunch of other stuff. Also, once you build fine arts academies, PotA becomes irrelevant.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 25, 2011, 04:25:37 AM
Also, once you build fine arts academies, PotA becomes irrelevant.
True, though how long does it take to build that many FAAs? Anyhoo a lot of Ideas become irrelevant later in the game; if you are the only one running around with 3 6 star advisers in the 1400's you will have a huge advantage on everyone else for a very long time.
Anyhow, in last night's game France managed to destroy both Brittany and Burgundy almost by accident. I was happily declaring war on Orleans, when it called Brittany into the war, who then called Burgundy. Luckily my other vassals zerg-rushed Burgundy while I was occupying Brittany. The Burgundian armies spent their time chasing tiny one-regiment armies, allowing them to spread out and occupy their shit. When Burgundy went bankrupt it was all over. Rape of Burgundy by 1403 ftw.
One further question, which do people think is the better early cavalry unit, latin knights or chevauchee? I'm still somewhat fuzzy on the exact effects of all the offensive/defensive unit stats.
Played for the first time with the illegal territory mechanic. Tried Milan... wow bad choice. How do you gain territory in the empire now anyway, is inheritance the only way?
Quote from: Maximus on September 27, 2011, 10:54:35 AM
Played for the first time with the illegal territory mechanic. Tried Milan... wow bad choice. How do you gain territory in the empire now anyway, is inheritance the only way?
You can get occasional event driven cores but inheritance is much more important there than anywhere else.
Quote from: Maximus on September 27, 2011, 10:54:35 AM
Played for the first time with the illegal territory mechanic. Tried Milan... wow bad choice. How do you gain territory in the empire now anyway, is inheritance the only way?
Inheritance is definitely the best way, and a very good way at that. You gain cores on every HRE territory you inherit, not just the same cultural union as you. For that reason, Milan is actually a pretty good game choice, you will have plenty of opportunities to inherit deep into German lands.
Well that's good, but inheritance is a slow and unreliable method. Or I'm doing it wrong. I can see if you force countries into personal unions maybe but that seems reputation-costly.
Quote from: Maximus on September 27, 2011, 01:14:25 PM
Well that's good, but inheritance is a slow and unreliable method. Or I'm doing it wrong. I can see if you force countries into personal unions maybe but that seems reputation-costly.
Definitely force them into personal unions. Analyze the ledger for the neighbors with low legitimacy, and start looking for obscure papers.
:yeahright: My paper on post-coital behavior of Cro-Magnon Man was very well received.
:lol:
As a member of the empire you really need to choose if you want to become emperor, colonize/trade, expand outside the empire or leave.
So, you can as Pommerania or Hansa invade and conquer in the baltic, as burgundy in france etc.
Powermongering in the empire involves vassalizing the electors and become permanent emperor and then reform, upgrade and unify the fucker and conquer europe. I once unified the Empire as Milan/Italy with an Austria which joined which had managed to conquer all the balkans and the steppes as far as rostov on don, but only had 4 provinces in the empire. At that point I just quit... no point.
Yea, I did that too, as Holland/Netherlands, but that was under the old rules when conquest was an option.
Quote from: The Brain on September 27, 2011, 02:27:39 PM
:yeahright: My paper on post-coital behavior of Cro-Magnon Man was very well received.
What the ...?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 30, 2011, 01:09:45 AM
Quote from: The Brain on September 27, 2011, 02:27:39 PM
:yeahright: My paper on post-coital behavior of Cro-Magnon Man was very well received.
What the ...?
It was the only languish worth science article you didn't post here last year. Damnit Timmay your slipping, missing that one. I was pretty proud of The Brain as well, nary a mention of bestiality.
I think the joke may have gone over Tim's head.
:hmm:
:homestar:
Quote from: Habbaku on September 30, 2011, 12:47:48 PM
I think the joke may have gone over Tim's head.
Which is funny because even I got it.