Me, I'm surprised, flabberghasted and shocked that there would be an expansion to HoI3. :o
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469855
QuoteParadox Announces Hearts of Iron 3: Semper Fi
NEW YORK – April 6th, 2010 – Paradox Interactive unveiled Hearts of Iron 3: Semper Fi, a downloadable expansion to its World War II grand strategy game. Semper Fi gives players more control over their country's warfare and politics, while pleasing history buffs with a variety of new features and events. Hearts of Iron 3: Semper Fi is scheduled for release during Q2 2010.
"Our vision for Semper Fi is to transport the player into World War II in a way that previous installments have not been able to do," said Henrik Fåhraeus, Associate Producer at Paradox Interactive. "For instance, negotiating and working with the allies was a huge part of WW2 and players are now able to experience that first hand. Also, our historical buffs have long been screaming for more historical accuracy in our games, and while the game still won't follow history to the letter, these historical events will create a stronger experience by giving you historical references and feedback alongside gameplay."
Semper Fi Features include:
* Player-determined hidden victory conditions that will keep opponents guessing
* Greater cooperation with allies, allowing players to request troops, convince their allies to attack a specific target and more
* Hundreds of new events added to immerse players in their own version of World War II, comparing the unfolding, alternate timeline to real history
* Vastly improved AI that will defend its territories valiantly, marshal large naval taskforces and launch multi-stage invasions
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http://www.paradoxplaza.com/games/hearts-of-iron-3-semper-fi
QuoteHearts of Iron 3: Semper Fi
It's time to dust off the field marshal's baton and take command of any nation in World War II; the largest conflict in history. The first expansion to the critically acclaimed Hearts of Iron III lets you take charge - or delegate - at any level, from divison to nation, through a variety of scenarios. Guide your country to glory from 1936 to 1948: wage war on the battlefields, in the factories, and at the negotiating table, in the grandest of all World War II strategy games ever made.
Features
* Players can now define their own Theatres with a simple dragbox system.
* The new Order of Battle Browser allows quick and easy reorganization of the entire Command Hierarchy.
* The Command Hierarchy is now directly represented on the map.
* A new Air Superiority map mode makes strategic air warfare easy.
* At game start, each country now gets to choose its own hidden Victory Conditions. Can your enemies guess your secret agenda?
* HQs under AI control now have separate aggressiveness stances for Land, Air and Naval operations.
* Countries can request specific actions from their allies for unprecedented cooperation.
* Technological progress can now be shared with your allies.
* Brigades can now be upgraded to more advanced types (e.g. Infantry to Motorized, or Artillery to Self Propelled Artillery.)
* New 1940 scenario fills a gap in the game's timeline.
* Hundreds of new events added to immerse players in their own versions of World War II, comparing the unfolding alternate timeline to real history.
* Mighty warships can be designated the Pride of the Fleet, which is both an opportunity and a risk.
* The AI has been improved in all areas, at all levels. It will defend in depth, marshal big naval taskforces and launch multi-stage invasions. It will perform more historical diplomacy and pursue a strategic production strategy.
* Multiplayer for up to 32 players
Q2 2010? That's right around the corner.
QuoteThe AI has been improved in all areas, at all levels. It will defend in depth, marshal big naval taskforces and launch multi-stage invasions. It will perform more historical diplomacy and pursue a strategic production strategy.
If that should not be the part of the vanilla game, I dont know what is
Quote from: Tamas on April 06, 2010, 10:42:09 AM
QuoteThe AI has been improved in all areas, at all levels. It will defend in depth, marshal big naval taskforces and launch multi-stage invasions. It will perform more historical diplomacy and pursue a strategic production strategy.
If that should not be the part of the vanilla game, I dont know what is
Wouldn't it have been awesome if they advertised that the AI would not do those things in the initial release of the game?
"The AI mostly sucks, but don't worry, it will be improved in the first expansion!"
Multiplayer for up to 32 players? What good does that do? "Gee this game would be great if only we had enough slots for someone to play Bhutan".
I don't see a "game will load in under five minutes" feature here. There honestly doesn't seem to be anything really new here. Just a handful of stuff that should have been in the initial release.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 06, 2010, 10:49:07 AM
Just a handful of stuff that should have been in the initial release.
That's really surprising. :yeahright:
When does the second expansion come out? Followed by HoI III Complete and then another expansion
I'm glad that I didn't buy HoI3 now. Oh, and I bet the frothing on the Paradox boards is delicious.
Quote from: Caliga on April 06, 2010, 11:20:06 AMOh, and I bet the frothing on the Paradox boards is delicious.
I imagine it's part frothing and part fapping
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 06, 2010, 11:20:03 AM
When does the second expansion come out? Followed by HoI III Complete and then another expansion
Probably late fall or next winter for the expansion.
I own HOI3 but have never played more then 20 minutes. Well if you don't include the load time and tutorial which is admittedly one of the stranger tutorials I've ever seen.
Quote from: Caliga on April 06, 2010, 11:20:06 AM
I'm glad that I didn't buy HoI3 now. Oh, and I bet the frothing on the Paradox boards is delicious.
It is actually rather reasonable ATM, of course it was only announced a couple of hours ago. There are the expected idiots and trolls on either side but most people are disappointed in the original game, understand that rewriting entire sections of the game can't be done for free and
hoping that the new expansion makes the game better.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 06, 2010, 10:49:07 AM
Multiplayer for up to 32 players? What good does that do? "Gee this game would be great if only we had enough slots for someone to play Bhutan".
I don't see a "game will load in under five minutes" feature here. There honestly doesn't seem to be anything really new here. Just a handful of stuff that should have been in the initial release.
There must be something wrong on your end. I just reinstalled the game from scratch, patched to 1.4 and it took about 90 seconds to load the first time. I changed the resolution settings, closed it and restarted it and it took 53 seconds to start.
Quote from: sbr on April 06, 2010, 11:54:14 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 06, 2010, 11:20:06 AM
I'm glad that I didn't buy HoI3 now. Oh, and I bet the frothing on the Paradox boards is delicious.
It is actually rather reasonable ATM, of course it was only announced a couple of hours ago. There are the expected idiots and trolls on either side but most people are disappointed in the original game, understand that rewriting entire sections of the game can't be done for free and hoping that the new expansion makes the game better.
I think that people there were mentally prepared for expansion thought.
Martinus at least will find it delicious then.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 06, 2010, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 06, 2010, 11:20:06 AMOh, and I bet the frothing on the Paradox boards is delicious.
I imagine it's part frothing and part fapping
:w00t:
But they still can't be bothered to update what is probably the least accurate and most disappointing map Paradox has ever done. :(
QuotePlayers can now define their own Theatres with a simple dragbox system.
Wasn't there some sort of excuse about this being impossible?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 06, 2010, 03:06:32 PM
QuotePlayers can now define their own Theatres with a simple dragbox system.
Wasn't there some sort of excuse about this being impossible?
I don't know that anything is impossible in a paid expansion. I think they just couldn't/didn't want to do it in a free patch.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 06, 2010, 03:06:32 PM
QuotePlayers can now define their own Theatres with a simple dragbox system.
Wasn't there some sort of excuse about this being impossible?
Impossible...for less than $20.
Quote from: Agelastus on April 06, 2010, 02:49:43 PM
But they still can't be bothered to update what is probably the least accurate and most disappointing map Paradox has ever done. :(
I loved how they had what looked like a perfect outline for a map of Poland but changed it because it looked unnatural to Johan :P
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 06, 2010, 03:06:32 PM
QuotePlayers can now define their own Theatres with a simple dragbox system.
Wasn't there some sort of excuse about this being impossible?
I thought someone was modding the map. If some bedroom programmer can do it then I suspect that a professional game developer can as well.
Oh, I am so glad I'm not a Paradox customer anymore.
I like HoI 3. I play it quite often and I consider it an unpolished gem, much like EU 3 vanilla. EU 3 wasn't fun until the second expansion, but then it became real good. I expect and hope for the same with HoI 3.
Weird they'd announce it now for a release within the next month or two- they noticed sales of vanilla drop through the floor when there's an expanded version due?
Quote from: dps on April 07, 2010, 12:26:32 AM
Oh, I am so glad I'm not a Paradox customer anymore.
EU3 is great.
And the people that froth on the Pdox fora are probably the first to buy the expansion. There isn't any reason for Paradox to not continue with the "expansion-strategy". :yuk:
Quote from: Threviel on April 07, 2010, 01:19:30 AM
I like HoI 3. I play it quite often and I consider it an unpolished gem, much like EU 3 vanilla. EU 3 wasn't fun until the second expansion, but then it became real good. I expect and hope for the same with HoI 3.
You say HoI 3 is like EU3.
You say EU3 was not fun
You say you like HoI 3
Conclusion: you like games that are not fun.
Let me know when this game becomes a polished gem that is actually fun to play
and it, along with all the expansions, can be purchased at the price of the original game. I am no longer willing to pay 3 times for a Paradox game.
Yeah, I can't be bothered to pay $80 over 3 years to play a game that is finally good. Their new 'strategy' sucks.
Meh. To each his own I guess. I like the model where they release the game, listens to the customer and then releases addons containing what the customers demand. I have payed for HoI 3 and it wasn't as good as I hoped (but still superior to EU3 vanilla). Instead of whining about it and never touching the game again I would be willing to pay a modest sum to get substantial improvements.
You are perfectly free to not buy the expansions if you don't like the system.
Quote from: Threviel on April 08, 2010, 03:15:37 PM
You are perfectly free to not buy the expansions if you don't like the system.
Yes, but for how long?
I like the system where they release a terrible game with a ton of potential. I ignore it because it sucks, but a bunch of fanbois buy it up and test it.
Then they improve the game, and thank the fanbois for testing for them by making them pay for the improvements. I continue to ignore it.
Rinse. Repeat.
Rinse. Repeat.
Rinse. Repeat.
Eventually a pretty damn good game emerges, and they package up all the "expansions" into one "complete" package that I then buy on sale for 50% of the original price for the broken game without any "expansions".
Really, keep up the good work people! Looking forward to this in another couple expansions...
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 08, 2010, 11:46:16 AM
Yeah, I can't be bothered to pay $80 over 3 years to play a game that is finally good. Their new 'strategy' sucks.
Which is why I waited to merely pay ~$23 for EU 3 : Complete and HTTT and have easily gotten my money's worth.
If you feel Paradox only releases a game that's decent after a couple of expansions (and I happen to agree with that sentiment), then just wait until they bring the price down. Only the fanbois are going to pay full price for the honor of beta-testing.
Unless it's Victoria 2.
Quote from: Berkut on April 08, 2010, 03:26:47 PM
Really, keep up the good work people! Looking forward to this in another couple expansions...
:yes:
Quote from: Berkut on April 08, 2010, 03:26:47 PM
Really, keep up the good work people! Looking forward to this in another couple expansions...
This. :contract:
For example, I recently bought Victoria + Revolutions for $10.
Every time I see this thread I think of Sten from Dragon Age saying "Unexpected" when you give him gifts. :thatsgay:
Nobody answered my query :(
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470483
I'd rather it worked as promised out of the box. You should be ashamed of yourself
Quote from: The Brain on April 08, 2010, 03:16:58 PM
Quote from: Threviel on April 08, 2010, 03:15:37 PM
You are perfectly free to not buy the expansions if you don't like the system.
Yes, but for how long?
We need someone to make the "buying a car without an engine, then getting the engine 9 months later" analogy, it is my favorite. :yes:
Quote from: sbr on April 09, 2010, 05:54:45 PM
We need someone to make the "buying a car without an engine, then getting the engine 9 months later" analogy, it is my favorite. :yes:
No, that analogy sucks.
Quote from: PDH on April 09, 2010, 07:00:16 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 09, 2010, 05:54:45 PM
We need someone to make the "buying a car without an engine, then getting the engine 9 months later" analogy, it is my favorite. :yes:
No, that analogy sucks.
It's more like buying one car, and then taking the engine out of it and putting it in an entirely new car nine months later.
The EU3 expansions were definitely worth their price. I guess I would have preferred to buy a complete game at a higher price, but that may not be feasible from a marketing and cashflow perspective for Paradox.
PC games are probably too cheap to make enough money. As far as I can tell, there was virtually no price inflation since the early 90s. That's why they need to make money on expansions.
I am surprised that they don't go for ancillary revenue more with say more downloadable content or selling services on their forum.
Quote from: Agelastus on April 09, 2010, 07:29:58 PM
Quote from: PDH on April 09, 2010, 07:00:16 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 09, 2010, 05:54:45 PM
We need someone to make the "buying a car without an engine, then getting the engine 9 months later" analogy, it is my favorite. :yes:
No, that analogy sucks.
It's more like buying one car, and then taking the engine out of it and putting it in an entirely new car nine months later.
Or buying what is supposed to be a six cylinder Honda and finding a four cylinder Kia with a transmission that is spotty and a side view mirror that is duct taped on.
Quote from: Threviel on April 08, 2010, 03:15:37 PM
Meh. To each his own I guess. I like the model where they release the game, listens to the customer and then releases addons containing what the customers demand. I have payed for HoI 3 and it wasn't as good as I hoped (but still superior to EU3 vanilla). Instead of whining about it and never touching the game again I would be willing to pay a modest sum to get substantial improvements.
You are perfectly free to not buy the expansions if you don't like the system.
I prefered the model they used when they released their first games. You know the one where they kept patching until they got the game to where they wanted it free of charge. We could have faith that even though the game was buggy on release - and it always was, we would eventually get our monies worth after several patches.
Now we have to sit back and wait a year or two while people like you continue to encourage them in this model where people pay for the priviledge of them fixing their game. Also, before you start talking Paradox Forum Fanboi trash you should realize that the folks here were among the original fan base that launched paradox back when Johan was programming out of his basement.
You might think it relevant that the type of gamers that where originally attracted to this gaming company will no longer buy their products on release.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 10, 2010, 11:09:42 PM
Quote from: Threviel on April 08, 2010, 03:15:37 PM
Meh. To each his own I guess. I like the model where they release the game, listens to the customer and then releases addons containing what the customers demand. I have payed for HoI 3 and it wasn't as good as I hoped (but still superior to EU3 vanilla). Instead of whining about it and never touching the game again I would be willing to pay a modest sum to get substantial improvements.
You are perfectly free to not buy the expansions if you don't like the system.
I prefered the model they used when they released their first games. You know the one where they kept patching until they got the game to where they wanted it free of charge. We could have faith that even though the game was buggy on release - and it always was, we would eventually get our monies worth after several patches.
But those days are gone. They are never, ever coming back, regardless of how many copies of the HOI3 expansion are sold. If it sells poorly their solution won't be to starting working for free to make up for it. Johan working on his own time to make nine patches for a game is an outdated business model, just like newspapers. Great while it lasted but mostly gone or going now.
QuoteNow we have to sit back and wait a year or two while people like you continue to encourage them in this model where people pay for the priviledge of them fixing their game. Also, before you start talking Paradox Forum Fanboi trash you should realize that the folks here were among the original fan base that launched paradox back when Johan was programming out of his basement.
Which part of that post is " Paradox Forum Fanboi trash"? The part where he likes the game and is willing to buy the expansion or the part where you don't have to if you don't want to?
QuoteYou might think it relevant that the type of gamers that where originally attracted to this gaming company will no longer buy their products on release.
There is no doubt of that. It is the way that PI has been going for what 4-5 years now, since the start of EU3 development. They have moved on to what they see as a bigger broader audience than they had for EU2 and Victoria. They must see enough new sales to offset the loss in sales of their old loyal customers or they likely wouldn't have started moving the direction they have.
I would love to see them put out 9 free patches for HOI3, but as has been said by many people that is not going to happen. SInce that is out i would prefer PI's current model of releasing a few $20 expansions for games than CA (or others) model of changing unit names, adding some new skins and pushing it out the door as a new $60 stand alone title. I can understand why others would not like that though. :)
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 10, 2010, 11:09:42 PM
Quote from: Threviel on April 08, 2010, 03:15:37 PM
Meh. To each his own I guess. I like the model where they release the game, listens to the customer and then releases addons containing what the customers demand. I have payed for HoI 3 and it wasn't as good as I hoped (but still superior to EU3 vanilla). Instead of whining about it and never touching the game again I would be willing to pay a modest sum to get substantial improvements.
You are perfectly free to not buy the expansions if you don't like the system.
I prefered the model they used when they released their first games. You know the one where they kept patching until they got the game to where they wanted it free of charge. We could have faith that even though the game was buggy on release - and it always was, we would eventually get our monies worth after several patches.
Now we have to sit back and wait a year or two while people like you continue to encourage them in this model where people pay for the priviledge of them fixing their game. Also, before you start talking Paradox Forum Fanboi trash you should realize that the folks here were among the original fan base that launched paradox back when Johan was programming out of his basement.
You might think it relevant that the type of gamers that where originally attracted to this gaming company will no longer buy their products on release.
I believe that EU3 with all the expansions is far superior to what EU3 patched 11 or 51 or whatever times would have been. I am willing to pay for the expansions, because they add to my experience and make their games more fun. If you are not then you don't have to. Start up a game company of your own if you think your business-model is so good.
I was one of the people that was on the forum before EU1 and hence part of the original fan base, and I have bought every Paradox game since then. EU3, Rome and HoI3 has changed my mind, I won't be buying every new game they make, but still. Expansions made EU3 into one of the best games I have ever played in a way that simple patching would never have done. Expansions made Rome into something that at least didn't make my eyes bleed. I hope that expansions will make HoI 3 the best game ever for me, and for that I am willing to pay a measly 20€ or whatever.
How many times you willing to pay that 30$ on top of the initial 50$ though? Three? Four?
EU3, In Nomine, Napoleons Ambition, Heir to the Throne..... How much of a money sink is that. I agree, it's great....but come on, they're milking us.
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(brain alert)
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Quote from: Alcibiades on April 11, 2010, 12:49:49 AM
How many times you willing to pay that 30$ on top of the initial 50$ though? Three? Four?
Depends on how much it adds to the game. If I get let's say 10-20 hours of fun out of a $30 add-on, that's fine for me. Still cheap compared to other alternatives for entertainment. So far I have not regretted any of the Paradox add-ons I bought pricewise as I have certainly played each of them for much more than 20 hours.
Paradox started this model with EU2. I remember asking then why we should pay full price for a new game that was at best an expansion, and at worst little more than a patch.
And EU3 with all the expansions is a great game; EU3 at its initial release was so crap that I didn't touch it again until HTTT came out!!!
I'm like Threviel. I precede the release of EUI on the Paradox forums. Haven't bought every game though...
What's the mod community like with this game?
HOI 2 had some pretty awesome ones.
Quote from: Zanza on April 11, 2010, 03:26:26 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 11, 2010, 12:49:49 AM
How many times you willing to pay that 30$ on top of the initial 50$ though? Three? Four?
Depends on how much it adds to the game. If I get let's say 10-20 hours of fun out of a $30 add-on, that's fine for me. Still cheap compared to other alternatives for entertainment. So far I have not regretted any of the Paradox add-ons I bought pricewise as I have certainly played each of them for much more than 20 hours.
I completely agree. The quality and quantity of things they add with their expansions is more than worth the price they charge, IMO. I have probably already spent close to 100 hours laying HttT between MP and SP. That is a pretty good deal for $20. I would love to see them put out ANOTHER EU3 expansion, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
I also know, unfortunately, that the only way that HOI3 is going to become worth a crap is an expansion or two. I am willing to pay for it though, based on their previous track record. I spent more time playing HOI2 than any other game ever, Morrowind and now EU3 are the only other competitors. I am more than willing to pay $80-100 ($40 pre-order and a handful of $20 expansions) over a 3-4 year period for the finished game I think it can be. I can understand why other people wouldn't want to do that, especially the people who "grew up" with Paradox, but again it is their choice; just don't buy the game until a bundle with the expansions comes out.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 11, 2010, 07:59:38 AM
What's the mod community like with this game?
HOI 2 had some pretty awesome ones.
I don't follow or play mods much but as far as I can tell most of the mods are either AI or map mods.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 11, 2010, 07:59:38 AM
What's the mod community like with this game?
HOI 2 had some pretty awesome ones.
I still haven't found any good mods, the last one I tried gave the SS battalion for battalion in events. Boring as hell.
One more thing about expansions, HoI3 is painfully slowon my computer, but so was EU3 back before the first expansions. I look forward to a much faster HoI after the expansion.
Quote from: Zanza on April 11, 2010, 03:26:26 AM
If I get let's say 10-20 hours of fun out of a $30 add-on, that's fine for me. Still cheap compared to other alternatives for entertainment.
Really? I generally find sex to be free. Much cheaper.
Quote from: garbon on April 11, 2010, 07:12:48 PM
Quote from: Zanza on April 11, 2010, 03:26:26 AM
If I get let's say 10-20 hours of fun out of a $30 add-on, that's fine for me. Still cheap compared to other alternatives for entertainment.
Really? I generally find sex to be free. Much cheaper.
That's because you're the girl.
Heh.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 11, 2010, 08:18:50 PM
That's because you're the girl.
Actually that's just a quaint heterosexual notion that the same male-female gender constraints are present in homosexual relations.
What about "Arsenal for Democracy"? Was that any good?
Quote from: Zanza on April 11, 2010, 03:26:26 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 11, 2010, 12:49:49 AM
How many times you willing to pay that 30$ on top of the initial 50$ though? Three? Four?
Depends on how much it adds to the game. If I get let's say 10-20 hours of fun out of a $30 add-on, that's fine for me. Still cheap compared to other alternatives for entertainment. So far I have not regretted any of the Paradox add-ons I bought pricewise as I have certainly played each of them for much more than 20 hours.
I don't have a problem with expansions that add new features--which so far, all of Paradox's expansions which I have paid for have added enough new features that they have justified the cost. The problem I have is that since they don't patch their games as much as they used to, preferring to release expansions instead, it's not possible to get bug fixes without getting the expansions.
Quote from: dps on April 13, 2010, 02:17:10 PM
Quote from: Zanza on April 11, 2010, 03:26:26 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 11, 2010, 12:49:49 AM
How many times you willing to pay that 30$ on top of the initial 50$ though? Three? Four?
Depends on how much it adds to the game. If I get let's say 10-20 hours of fun out of a $30 add-on, that's fine for me. Still cheap compared to other alternatives for entertainment. So far I have not regretted any of the Paradox add-ons I bought pricewise as I have certainly played each of them for much more than 20 hours.
I don't have a problem with expansions that add new features--which so far, all of Paradox's expansions which I have paid for have added enough new features that they have justified the cost. The problem I have is that since they don't patch their games as much as they used to, preferring to release expansions instead, it's not possible to get bug fixes without getting the expansions.
I dont mind "new" features. That after all would be a real expansion. What I cannot stand is your second point that they tend to use these expansions to fix things that should have been patched for free - like making the AI actually work.
I should have the choice of whether I want the new features - not whether I want the original game I purchased to work as first intended.
I meant to quote my lost post but deleted it by accident. <_<
Anyways, anyone have any advice on how to get the no time limit patch for HOI2 DD 1.3 to work? I'll post error specific info later tonight.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 14, 2010, 12:25:31 AM
I meant to quote my lost post but deleted it by accident. <_<
Anyways, anyone have any advice on how to get the no time limit patch for HOI2 DD 1.3 to work? I'll post error specific info later tonight.
How doesn't it work? Where did you get no time limit mod?
AFAIK this one should work with every version of HOI2
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8205397&postcount=21.
Quote from: sbr on April 14, 2010, 12:30:07 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 14, 2010, 12:25:31 AM
I meant to quote my lost post but deleted it by accident. <_<
Anyways, anyone have any advice on how to get the no time limit patch for HOI2 DD 1.3 to work? I'll post error specific info later tonight.
How doesn't it work? Where did you get no time limit mod?
AFAIK this one should work with every version of HOI2
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8205397&postcount=21.
I tried using the ones that came with the mods themselves. Not sure if it's the same as that one. Like I said, I'll update you with
the error message when I get home and have time to try again.
Okay, I tried that one already.
First I turn it to English.
Then I click on the no time limit button.
Then in the left hand box I click on C:/, then program files, then Paradox Interactive, then Modern Day Scenario 2.
Then HOI.exe pops up in the right hand box.
I click it, it highlights, and I click patch.
Then an error message says Runtime error 75, Path/File access error.
I have no idea why, if I click that button in the file the game starts, so it works. The game just immediately ends because it's past 1953.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 14, 2010, 08:11:10 AM
Okay, I tried that one already.
First I turn it to English.
Then I click on the no time limit button.
Then in the left hand box I click on C:/, then program files, then Paradox Interactive, then Modern Day Scenario 2.
Then HOI.exe pops up in the right hand box.
I click it, it highlights, and I click patch.
Then an error message says Runtime error 75, Path/File access error.
I have no idea why, if I click that button in the file the game starts, so it works. The game just immediately ends because it's past 1953.
If you're using Vista, have you altered the security settings of the HOI.exe file so it can be modified by a user? Which, strangely, you seem to have to do even if you are logged in with an administrator account.
Quote from: Agelastus on April 14, 2010, 08:28:31 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 14, 2010, 08:11:10 AM
Okay, I tried that one already.
First I turn it to English.
Then I click on the no time limit button.
Then in the left hand box I click on C:/, then program files, then Paradox Interactive, then Modern Day Scenario 2.
Then HOI.exe pops up in the right hand box.
I click it, it highlights, and I click patch.
Then an error message says Runtime error 75, Path/File access error.
I have no idea why, if I click that button in the file the game starts, so it works. The game just immediately ends because it's past 1953.
If you're using Vista, have you altered the security settings of the HOI.exe file so it can be modified by a user? Which, strangely, you seem to have to do even if you are logged in with an administrator account.
No, how do I do that?
I just noticed that Kaiserreich now requires Armageddon. I'm thinking it's worth the $4.95 just to play that mod.
What are the improvements to the regular game with it?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 14, 2010, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Agelastus on April 14, 2010, 08:28:31 AM
If you're using Vista, have you altered the security settings of the HOI.exe file so it can be modified by a user? Which, strangely, you seem to have to do even if you are logged in with an administrator account.
No, how do I do that?
Right click on the HOI.exe to bring up "properties". The third tab is security. You will probably find that "users..." does not have the boxes "full control" and "modify" ticked. You can change this via the "edit" button.
The fact that you have to do this even though, in the case of both the Vistas laptops I have had access to, you are logged in with administrator rights is one of the main things that infuriates me about Vista.
I guess I'm going to have to start installing games outside of program files soon... :(
edit: It is just possible that you may have to change permissions for the whole folder, rather than just the file to be modified.
It works, thanks. :)
Got the 1914 mod working. I think I'll play a game as the US 1911, and see how things go down before trying one of the main players.
I was unaware that Teddy Roosevelt was President and Williams Jennings Bryan his Secretary of State in 1911! :blink:
Well, he was.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 15, 2010, 08:40:44 AM
Well, he was.
You're Canadian, so...
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With the next expansion: A geographically correct map!
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/content.php?578-For-the-Motherland-Developer-Diary-12-World-Map
QuoteParadox has always worked very close with modders and I'v gotten a lot of help on For the Motherland from many of the betas that have gone above and beyond duty to make this a great project. In fact todays dev diary is written by Devildread (of I.C.E. fame) who is one of our betas, I hope you will enjoy it!
-- Podcat
Hi everyone and welcome to a new Dev Diary! This one will focus on something you spend most of your time on when playing Hearts of Iron III: namely, the world map.
Everyone noticed that the first version of HOI3 had a rather gameplay specific map, not really geographically correct but efficient about what it was designed for: grand strategy and multiple provinces tactics. This time now ends because you will play in the incoming For The Motherland expansion on an updated world map, with better accuracy and some nice features I am convinced you will love as much as we do.
Let's discover some part of it. Ladies and gentlemen: the new refined map!
(don't be afraid, you can click)
As a result of a cooperation between Paradox artist Aerie, the preliminary work from the Map Patch Project (from Van Diemen and Frank+Frei, helped by several contributors) and the re-work/merging process by me (Devildread), we are proud to introduce some of the new features you will be able to play with.
GENERAL REDESIGN
Rivers everywhere!!
Capital relocation (Paris-Berlin-Warsaw are one province south from vanilla), Bruxelles is no longer on the French border.
Relocation/renaming of hundreds of provinces in order to better match reality and new rivers paths.
Poland-Lithuania border historically redrawn (then Lithuania gain back its land after the fall of Poland)
Modders, everything is transparent! This is not like I.C.E. where you had to change all the province IDs history, rework the OOB and such. Paris moved but Paris ID didn't change.
Along with that, a lot of terrain have been reworked to better match geography. More urban, more marshes, more difficult terrain and defense spot. HOI3 map required you to think about what you are doing when you launch an attack. This new map will actually make you plan ahead. What about those engineers you never really used? Let's bridge some rivers guys!
Everyone knows about the bocage and how it was difficult to attack a position on this terrain. Now Normandy features 3 hills-terrain provinces, abstractly representing bocage and giving severe penalties to any attacker. Plan your attack and prepare your defense with the same environnement the leader of WWII had to deal with.
COASTLINES
As you can see in the world map linked above, a lot of coastlines have been reworked (if you don't believe me, you can compare with vanilla Semper Fi) so you can expect more realistic feeling from the map in some places such as Norway, USA, China or Japan.
Check all those lakes in Finland and Sweden. What about some Finland bottleneck defense in Winter War?
INLAND PORTS
Nothing much to say, how cool is that?
KIEL KANAL
You read me. Kiel Kanal is in the game now! Only crossable by the controller of Kiel and its allies. Bring some U-Boots and wreak havoc in the Atlantic while retreating your navy in the Baltic!
Check Hamburg inland port by the way.
ACTUAL SEPARATION OF EUROPE AND ASIA IN TURKEY
No more crossing the boshporus under ennemy fire without any penalty. Now this is real, you have a strait to cross and everyone knows how straits are hard to cross (and easy to defend).
And many more changes that I can't list here. You will see that in due time.
We hope this FTM feature will please you as much as we had fun making it and think about all the possibilities it brings on the table.
It still looks like shit. :rolleyes:
Those fake-Cyrillic labels are a real deal-breaker.
If I needed another one, that is.
I pre-ordered. :lol:
:hide:
Paradox is my abusive husband. I think this time he really means he loves me and wants to change. :sleep:
Quote from: Norgy on June 25, 2011, 08:30:13 AM
I pre-ordered. :lol:
:hide:
Paradox is my abusive husband. I think this time he really means he loves me and wants to change. :sleep:
The expansion? I assume they gave you a good deal for pre-ordering? Otherwise what is the point in pre-ordering a download only product?
Wow. Now with accurate maps. That's fucking mind blowing.
Quote from: sbr on June 25, 2011, 10:11:15 AM
The expansion? I assume they gave you a good deal for pre-ordering? Otherwise what is the point in pre-ordering a download only product?
Not really, but they may not make me walk into a door.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 25, 2011, 12:07:23 PM
Wow. Now with accurate maps. That's fucking mind blowing.
"Map won't suck anymore" seems like a good sales pitch.
Especially since you may take Antwerp as much as you'd like as the Allies and still have your supply routed through Gibraltar. :sleep:
QuotePlan your attack and prepare your defense with the same environnement the leader of WWII had to deal with.
Who was the leader of WWII?
Quote from: Drakken on June 25, 2011, 01:22:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 25, 2011, 12:07:23 PM
Wow. Now with accurate maps. That's fucking mind blowing.
"Map won't suck anymore" seems like a good sales pitch.
My thought is that more along the lines of "Why didn't you fix this a long time ago?". Map not accurate seems like a big fucking problem. And it's not like it's only a few problems with the map, the whole thing is completely bizarre.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 25, 2011, 07:51:18 PM
Quote from: Drakken on June 25, 2011, 01:22:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 25, 2011, 12:07:23 PM
Wow. Now with accurate maps. That's fucking mind blowing.
"Map won't suck anymore" seems like a good sales pitch.
My thought is that more along the lines of "Why didn't you fix this a long time ago?". Map not accurate seems like a big fucking problem. And it's not like it's only a few problems with the map, the whole thing is completely bizarre.
Yeah. Especially given as how when the game first came out, IIRC, they took the attitude of, "Hey, the map is fine. We don't want to hear any complaints about it.".
Quote from: Maladict on June 25, 2011, 07:56:34 AM
Those fake-Cyrillic labels are a real deal-breaker.
If I needed another one, that is.
No kidding. That shit was obnoxious enough in Defcon, but Defcon was a simple, goofy game that had no pretenses to being anything but dumb, disposable fun, and was in fact designed for anyone, including historically ignorant morons, to enjoy.
But then again, courting the historically ignorant moron market has been Paradox' business strategy since EU3.
I also didn't notice anything about "naval combat less like old people fucking" in the notes. Maybe I missed it.
Seems FTM is out now.
Now, does it make HOI3 suck less? We need reports.
Each Paradox game should have a megathread dedicated to it where only posts announcing new expansion packs are allowed.
I bet there will still be problems with the map. Just a guess.
What I found odd about HOI 3, was the implementation of shit that didn't work the first time and taken out of the second game. Like the crap research system and the crap diplomatic system. I hated those, and was happy when they were taken out of the second game. For some reason they felt the need to add them back in.
I'll report when I have tried it. I haven't had time yet. Swamped with work.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 28, 2011, 04:54:00 PM
I bet there will still be problems with the map. Just a guess.
What I found odd about HOI 3, was the implementation of shit that didn't work the first time and taken out of the second game. Like the crap research system and the crap diplomatic system. I hated those, and was happy when they were taken out of the second game. For some reason they felt the need to add them back in.
Paradox is fundamentally opposed to fixing things that are broken. I don't know if it's impossible or because it is boring, but it means that even this expansion will have a US that can't attack Japan.
Quote from: Faeelin on June 29, 2011, 08:59:15 AM
Paradox is fundamentally opposed to fixing things that are broken. I don't know if it's impossible or because it is boring, but it means that even this expansion will have a US that can't attack Japan.
Maybe they are just living up to their name.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 29, 2011, 01:01:24 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on June 29, 2011, 08:59:15 AM
Paradox is fundamentally opposed to fixing things that are broken. I don't know if it's impossible or because it is boring, but it means that even this expansion will have a US that can't attack Japan.
Maybe they are just living up to their name.
You know, that might just be it.
Blah blah just release CK2 so I can be massively dissapointed already.
Quote from: Valmy on June 29, 2011, 03:54:21 PM
Blah blah just release CK2 so I can be massively dissapointed already.
You don't need CK2 for that, but any recent Paradox release.
Quote from: sbr on June 29, 2011, 06:22:25 PM
You don't need CK2 for that, but any recent Paradox release.
I have to have expectations to be disappointed though :P
While I totally share the sentiment here (especially about HoI3), maybe it is worth some self-reflection to realize, that EU2, which got almost all of us to Paradox and here respectively, is inferior to recent Paradox games in every regard, except for the competition it faced in it's time, and our nostalgia.
Quote from: Tamas on June 30, 2011, 01:49:10 AM
inferior to recent Paradox games in every regard, except for the competition it faced in it's time, and our nostalgia.
Nah EU2 was fun, played quickly, and was pretty easy and intuitive.
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2011, 08:05:40 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 30, 2011, 01:49:10 AM
inferior to recent Paradox games in every regard, except for the competition it faced in it's time, and our nostalgia.
Nah EU2 was fun, played quickly, and was pretty easy and intuitive.
and slapped history in the face repeatedly
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2011, 08:26:35 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 30, 2011, 08:24:13 AM
and slapped history in the face repeatedly
So?
that's the exact same reason why we tear the recent Paradox games apart. And that's the only feature they share with EU2, they are superior in every other respect. They are even more historical than EU2
Quote from: Tamas on June 30, 2011, 08:32:23 AM
that's the exact same reason why we tear the recent Paradox games apart. And that's the only feature they share with EU2, they are superior in every other respect. They are even more historical than EU2
No we tear them apart because they are not fun, poorly designed, and unacceptably buggy.
Quote from: Tamas on June 30, 2011, 08:32:23 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2011, 08:26:35 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 30, 2011, 08:24:13 AM
and slapped history in the face repeatedly
So?
that's the exact same reason why we tear the recent Paradox games apart. And that's the only feature they share with EU2, they are superior in every other respect. They are even more historical than EU2
I can't really agree with this, at least not with regards to EUIII. EU2 had a bunch of historical straightjackets. Play Vijanayager (sp) in EU2, and on a certain date, you either have to give the Moguls most of your provinces, or suffer major penalties, no matter how well you were doing up to that point. Or play Castille, and as long as you keep good relations with Aragon, you're going to inherit them on a set date. Or, God forbid, play the Ming and play half the game with revolt risks of +15 or worse in all your provinces, with nothing you can do about it.
EUIII has a lot of improvements: it's more stable, the system of recruitment by regiments is an improvement IMO, etc., but it's also inferior in some ways. And in no way is it more historical, because it was designed to NOT have the historical straightjackets that EU2 had.
I actually liked EU3 better then EU2 because of the lack of historical straight jackets.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2011, 08:56:59 AM
I actually liked EU3 better then EU2 because of the lack of historical straight jackets.
EU3 played way too slowly for me. It was just no fun. I could see it was at least a decent design though.
Also I liked the Historical straightjackets. I could learn some history of the country while I played. And yes I could read a history book but the amount of history books on Rajputs are lacking at my local B&N.
Quote from: dps on June 30, 2011, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 30, 2011, 08:32:23 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2011, 08:26:35 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 30, 2011, 08:24:13 AM
and slapped history in the face repeatedly
So?
that's the exact same reason why we tear the recent Paradox games apart. And that's the only feature they share with EU2, they are superior in every other respect. They are even more historical than EU2
I can't really agree with this, at least not with regards to EUIII. EU2 had a bunch of historical straightjackets. Play Vijanayager (sp) in EU2, and on a certain date, you either have to give the Moguls most of your provinces, or suffer major penalties, no matter how well you were doing up to that point. Or play Castille, and as long as you keep good relations with Aragon, you're going to inherit them on a set date. Or, God forbid, play the Ming and play half the game with revolt risks of +15 or worse in all your provinces, with nothing you can do about it.
EUIII has a lot of improvements: it's more stable, the system of recruitment by regiments is an improvement IMO, etc., but it's also inferior in some ways. And in no way is it more historical, because it was designed to NOT have the historical straightjackets that EU2 had.
yes, EU3 is the exception, but it's not getting that much flak here, at all.
I gave the US a quick run. There are some new features that look nice. I have up in November 1936 when the election gave a Republican victory, yet Robert Wagner, of the well-known "no_minister_type" and Democratic party affiliation (according to HoI3) became head of state.
Time to demand patches and that heads will role and see temp bans fly.
There is another way that EU2 was superior to EU3: Map aesthetics.
Quote from: Norgy on June 30, 2011, 09:45:46 AM
I gave the US a quick run. There are some new features that look nice. I have up in November 1936 when the election gave a Republican victory, yet Robert Wagner, of the well-known "no_minister_type" and Democratic party affiliation (according to HoI3) became head of state.
Time to demand patches and that heads will role and see temp bans fly.
Robert Wagner? He was like six at the time.
Quote from: Neil on June 30, 2011, 11:23:14 AM
There is another way that EU2 was superior to EU3: Map aesthetics.
And music.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2011, 08:56:59 AM
I actually liked EU3 better then EU2 because of the lack of historical straight jackets.
I don't disagree, but you can't really plausibly claim that it makes EUIII more historical.
Quote from: Neil on June 30, 2011, 11:23:14 AM
There is another way that EU2 was superior to EU3: Map aesthetics.
Very much so. The aesthetics, even with map mods, just aren't the same. EU2 was like playing on an old, precious map.
I am not denying that EU3 is a better game overall. There are, however, "improvements" that weren't necessary.
Quote from: Norgy on June 30, 2011, 12:56:37 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 30, 2011, 11:23:14 AM
There is another way that EU2 was superior to EU3: Map aesthetics.
Very much so. The aesthetics, even with map mods, just aren't the same. EU2 was like playing on an old, precious map.
I am not denying that EU3 is a better game overall. There are, however, "improvements" that weren't necessary.
I think that the worst thing is, the way they have been since EUIII came out, or actually a bit before that, I don't trust what they say anymore.
For example, the whole move to 3D thing. The move was justified by saying that there were 2 main benefits. One was that some of the processing load could be shifted from the CPU to the video card, and the other was that it would make things easier for modders. OK, I'm not a computer expert, and even a lot of my general or theoretical computer knowledge is a quarter century or more out-of-date, but while the first reason, on the face of it, seems completely logical (though I don't actually
know it to be true), I have no idea why the second reason would possibly be true. (Note that I'm not saying it isn't true, just that, given my limited knowledge of computers, I see no reason why it would be true.) Now, if Paradox operated largely like they did back when EU I got 10 official patches, I'd trust that it was true, even though I don't understand it. But at this point, I trust them so little that if they say 2 + 3 = 5, I don't trust it until I verify the math. And ultimately, I don't want to spend my money with people I trust so little.
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2011, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 30, 2011, 11:23:14 AM
There is another way that EU2 was superior to EU3: Map aesthetics.
And music.
Yes, I miss that horrible shrieking song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwdnNyySDLI
Quote from: Norgy on June 30, 2011, 12:56:37 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 30, 2011, 11:23:14 AM
There is another way that EU2 was superior to EU3: Map aesthetics.
Very much so. The aesthetics, even with map mods, just aren't the same. EU2 was like playing on an old, precious map.
I am not denying that EU3 is a better game overall. There are, however, "improvements" that weren't necessary.
Agreed. Actually one of the things that bothers me about recent P'dox games is their failed attempt to appeal to aesthetics. Their games looked fine in 2-D. When they started aiming for these 3D graphics is when their look went down hill.
Patch out. And I am sure it fixes something. But mostly it seems to have added new bugs. The US starts out with three-year draft and war economy in 1936.
Quote from: Norgy on July 02, 2011, 04:10:48 AM
Patch out. And I am sure it fixes something. But mostly it seems to have added new bugs. The US starts out with three-year draft and war economy in 1936.
Christ.
Anyway, EU2 was a far more fun game. It was simpler, but that does not mean worse.
EU3 is sitting staring at a fucking screen, making money hand over fist, and not being able to use it to do anything remotely interesting, and the lack of straitjacketing means even dumber shit than could happen in EU2 is standard, like the animist England I posted once.
It's the Byzanteens and Incan Crunchies' fault.
"But, but, Byzantium could've survived. Oh, and the Incas would've landed on the moon in 1802!"