Chechens?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8592190.stm
QuoteDeadly explosions on Moscow Metro system
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At least 37 people are reported to have been killed in two explosions on the Metro system in central Moscow.
The first blast happened at the city's central Lubyanka station killing 25, reports quoting security sources said.
A second explosion less than an hour afterwards happened at the Park Kultury station killing 12, Russian news agency Tass reported.
Ten people were injured in the first blast and 12 in the second, Tass said, quoting police and officials.
An emergencies ministry spokeswoman said that at Lubyanka 14 people were killed in the train and 11 on the platform.
"The blast hit the second carriage of a metro train that stopped at Lubyanka, at 0756 (0356 GMT)," Irina Andrianova said.
"There was no fire. Rescuers of the Moscow emergencies department and firefighters are now working at the site," she added.
The headquarters of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), is located just above the station.
The second blast came about 40 minutes later, at 0838 (0438 GMT).
Looks like Putin needs a pretext to seize more power.
Lubyanka is the site of the infamous KGB prison, where countless people were tortured to death.
QuoteOfficials: Suicide bombs kill 35 on Moscow subway
By DAVID NOWAK, Associated Press
MOSCOW – Two female suicide bombers blew themselves up on Moscow's subway system as it was jam-packed with rush-hour passengers Monday, killing at least 35 people and wounding more than 30, the city's mayor and other officials said.
Emergency Ministry spokeswoman Svetlana Chumikova said 23 people were killed at the Lubyanka station in central Moscow. The station is underneath the building that houses the main offices of the Federal Security Service, or FSB, the KGB's main successor agency.
A second explosion hit the Park Kultury station about 45 minutes later. Chumikova said at least 12 were dead there.
Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov said both explosions were believed to have been set off by female suicide bombers as the trains entered the stations. In the first case, officials said the explosion was on the train; there was no immediate information on the location of the second blast.
"The first data that the FSB has given us is that there were two female suicide bombers," Luzhkov told reporters at the Park Kultury site.
Russia's top investigative body also said terrorism was suspected.
The last confirmed terrorist attack in Moscow was in August 2004, when a suicide bomber blew herself up outside a city subway station, killing 10 people.
Responsibility for that blast was claimed by Chechen rebels and suspicion in Monday's explosions is likely to focus on them and other separatist groups in the restive North Caucasus region.
The Moscow subway system is one of the world's busiest, carrying around 7 million passengers on an average workday, and is a key element in running the sprawling and traffic-choked city.
The blasts practically paralyzed movement in the city center as emergency vehicles sped to the stations. Helicopters hovered over the Park Kultury station area, which is near the renowned Gorky Park.
Passengers, many of them in tears, streamed out of the station, one man exclaiming over and over "This is how we live!"
At least a dozen ambulances were on the scene.
Associated Press Writer Jim Heintz in Moscow contributed to this report.
Reactionary capitalist scum. :mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5PfXBL3huU
Quote from: Kleves on March 29, 2010, 01:15:26 AM
Looks like Putin needs a pretext to seize more power.
So you are the American version of those Euros, Russians, and Arabs who claimed that 9/11 was a plot for Bush to seize power.
Quote from: Alexandru H. on March 29, 2010, 02:59:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5PfXBL3huU
Wow, that was some bomb. It blew them back to 2004.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 29, 2010, 03:31:59 AM
So you are the American version of those Euros, Russians, and Arabs who claimed that 9/11 was a plot for Bush to seize power.
I wouldn't put false-flag operations below Putin. Frankly, there isn't much I'd put below him.
Quote from: Martinus on March 29, 2010, 01:49:04 AM
Lubyanka is the site of the infamous KGB prison, where countless people were tortured to death.
You don't know that. Stop jumping to conclusions.
Quote from: Queequeg on March 29, 2010, 03:46:22 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 29, 2010, 03:31:59 AM
So you are the American version of those Euros, Russians, and Arabs who claimed that 9/11 was a plot for Bush to seize power.
I wouldn't put false-flag operations below Putin. Frankly, there isn't much I'd put below him.
A mine?
Quote from: Queequeg on March 29, 2010, 03:46:22 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 29, 2010, 03:31:59 AM
So you are the American version of those Euros, Russians, and Arabs who claimed that 9/11 was a plot for Bush to seize power.
I wouldn't put false-flag operations below Putin. Frankly, there isn't much I'd put below him.
Don't be such a douchebag. Putin's false-flag operations would be much more sensational. Like invading little neighboring foreign countries.
Just when we thought the Chechens were done.
Quote from: Tyr on March 29, 2010, 05:04:52 AM
Just when we thought the Chechens were done.
Unless you kill all the Mooselimbs, there's always going to be a Mooselimb around trying to kill you.
Quote from: Tyr on March 29, 2010, 05:04:52 AM
Just when we thought the Chechens were done.
Who thought that?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on March 29, 2010, 05:19:01 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 29, 2010, 05:04:52 AM
Just when we thought the Chechens were done.
Who thought that?
The Russians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8001495.stm
The Chechens have made a tactical mistake. Putin doesnt actually care if russian civilians die.
Maybe it was the Jews of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast?
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 29, 2010, 06:54:27 AM
Maybe it was the Jews of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast?
:lol: I thought most of them left for Israel after the USSR collapsed.
Quote from: Caliga on March 29, 2010, 07:05:15 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 29, 2010, 06:54:27 AM
Maybe it was the Jews of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast?
:lol: I thought most of them left for Israel after the USSR collapsed.
They did, and if wiki is to believe there is around 2000 of them left. But it would be a change of pace, This Tchechens BS isn't interesting anymore.
This is a very sad event :cry:
I'll see what I can find out. Definitely Chechen Black Widows.
Quote from: Tyr on March 29, 2010, 05:51:06 AM
The Russians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8001495.stm
Yeah, IIRC there were Chechen units gleefully taking part in the conflict against Georgia in '08. I figured after that point Chechnya was pacified.
Quote from: Martim Silva on March 29, 2010, 07:18:27 AM
This is a very sad event :cry:
I'll see what I can find out. Definitely Chechen Black Widows.
Your ability to solve a crime committed thousands of miles away is truly remarkable. :worship:
Clearly Chechens are the prime suspects, but until there's some proof - who knows?
I think one of the problems in the US perception of Russia is that while both the US and Russia are superpowers that tend to be perceived by various Rest of the World countries as evil, Russia actually *is* evil but some Americans tend to have a sort of unwarranted sympathy (or at least, a grudging respect) for it.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 29, 2010, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: Kleves on March 29, 2010, 01:15:26 AM
Looks like Putin needs a pretext to seize more power.
So you are the American version of those Euros, Russians, and Arabs who claimed that 9/11 was a plot for Bush to seize power.
It's a far less inconceivable scenario for the Russian secret police. After all, it's an agency that killed millions of its fellow citizens directly, and that's staffed with trained sociopaths even today.
This act doesn't sound like a false flag operation, but apartment building bombings that happened at a very convenient time in 1999 are suspicious. This particular incident is mainly what fuels the conspiracy theories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Ryazan_incident .
Do they, Martinus? Every american I know down here who thinks anything at all of Russia has an extremely phobic and hateful opinion.
Concensus is that they are corrupt, violent, and treacherous schemers, who are plotting for world domination and must be dealt with.
I am amused at this concept of evil nations. I thought this kind of thinking went out with the collapse of the USSR, but clearly it lingers in some benighted places like Poland and Mississippi.
That there are evil deeds goes without saying. That there are evil people is arguable. That there are evil nations is risible.
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
I am amused at this concept of evil nations. I thought this kind of thinking went out with the collapse of the USSR, but clearly it lingers in some benighted places like Poland and Mississippi.
That there are evil deeds goes without saying. That there are evil people is arguable. That there are evil nations is risible.
Calling an entire nation 'evil' - don't think that's fair.
But to call a regime/system of government evil? I could go along with that. North Korea's government would seem to fit that title.
Quote from: DGuller on March 29, 2010, 12:41:01 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 29, 2010, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: Kleves on March 29, 2010, 01:15:26 AM
Looks like Putin needs a pretext to seize more power.
So you are the American version of those Euros, Russians, and Arabs who claimed that 9/11 was a plot for Bush to seize power.
It's a far less inconceivable scenario for the Russian secret police. After all, it's an agency that killed millions of its fellow citizens directly, and that's staffed with trained sociopaths even today.
This act doesn't sound like a false flag operation, but apartment building bombings that happened at a very convenient time in 1999 are suspicious. This particular incident is mainly what fuels the conspiracy theories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Ryazan_incident .
I'm not big into conspiracy theories. While Russia (and the Soviet union have done many unscrupulous things they tend to be very ham handed about it.
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2010, 02:22:27 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
I am amused at this concept of evil nations. I thought this kind of thinking went out with the collapse of the USSR, but clearly it lingers in some benighted places like Poland and Mississippi.
That there are evil deeds goes without saying. That there are evil people is arguable. That there are evil nations is risible.
Calling an entire nation 'evil' - don't think that's fair.
But to call a regime/system of government evil? I could go along with that. North Korea's government would seem to fit that title.
Indeed.
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
I am amused at this concept of evil nations. I thought this kind of thinking went out with the collapse of the USSR, but clearly it lingers in some benighted places like Poland and Mississippi.
That there are evil deeds goes without saying. That there are evil people is arguable. That there are evil nations is risible.
The Pipple's Republic of China is an evil nation.
Speaking of Russians, did anyone catch the 60 Minutes story on the Russian oligarch who is trying to buy the New Jersey Nets and move them to Brooklyn? The man has very nice taste in bimbos.
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2010, 02:22:27 PM
But to call a regime/system of government evil? I could go along with that. North Korea's government would seem to fit that title.
You can call anything you like evil. Generally, I will laugh at you for it. "Evil" is too simplistic a concept to fit any but the simplest actions at all snugly.
Even the North Korean government has done
some good. People in it have committed many evil
actions, for sure. But believe in "evil" governments (and even in the North Korean government as "evil") if that makes you feel better. I will only object if you try to argue that your "evil government" idea is at all an intellectual concept.
Quote from: Martinus on March 29, 2010, 04:48:13 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2010, 02:22:27 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 02:21:00 PM
I am amused at this concept of evil nations. I thought this kind of thinking went out with the collapse of the USSR, but clearly it lingers in some benighted places like Poland and Mississippi.
That there are evil deeds goes without saying. That there are evil people is arguable. That there are evil nations is risible.
Calling an entire nation 'evil' - don't think that's fair.
But to call a regime/system of government evil? I could go along with that. North Korea's government would seem to fit that title.
Indeed.
Why does this agreement not surprise me in the slightest?
Calling Timmay! Hans, you too!
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
Even the North Korean government has done some good.
How does that have anything to do with whether a government is evil or not?
Quote from: Razgovory on March 29, 2010, 04:43:40 PM
I'm not big into conspiracy theories. While Russia (and the Soviet union have done many unscrupulous things they tend to be very ham handed about it.
If FSB did plant the bombs, then they did stumble. They got caught red-handed by an unusually competent police. I don't know whether it really was the bomb in Ryazan, but it's really dangerous to discount the Russian secret police. They were always by far the most competent state organ for more than a century, and they're utterly ruthless. In 1999, with Yeltzin about to be out of power, the stakes were very high.
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2010, 02:22:27 PM
But to call a regime/system of government evil? I could go along with that. North Korea's government would seem to fit that title.
You can call anything you like evil. Generally, I will laugh at you for it. "Evil" is too simplistic a concept to fit any but the simplest actions at all snugly.
Even the North Korean government has done some good. People in it have committed many evil actions, for sure. But believe in "evil" governments (and even in the North Korean government as "evil") if that makes you feel better. I will only object if you try to argue that your "evil government" idea is at all an intellectual concept.
You may object all you like if it pleases you.
I will remind you that I have one of the 50 best presidents in US history agreeing with me that North Korea has an evil regime. :contract:
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
You can call anything you like evil. Generally, I will laugh at you for it. "Evil" is too simplistic a concept to fit any but the simplest actions at all snugly.
Unfortunately for you, things MUST be labeled, and 'evil' is a perfectly adequate label for those whose actions and motivations oppose our own.
Quote from: Martinus on March 29, 2010, 11:54:04 AM
I think one of the problems in the US perception of Russia is that while both the US and Russia are superpowers that tend to be perceived by various Rest of the World countries as evil, Russia actually *is* evil but some Americans tend to have a sort of unwarranted sympathy (or at least, a grudging respect) for it.
Not sure what you're referring to in terms of sympathy. A lot of Americans still view the Russians in the same light as they viewed the Soviets. A lot of other don't give two shits about the Russians, either way.
Personally, I've been of the opinion that it falls within our national interests to have a somewhat-strong Russia (though preferably a less anti-American Russia from what we've seen). A weak Russia would mean a power vacuum in certain regions that could have all sorts of nasty, unpredictable consequences. It was for that reason that I supported Russia in the Chechnya conflict.
Having said that, I think we need to be a little more cautious and a little less gracious when dealing with Putinvedev & Russia than we have been in the past decade. I don't think the Bush administration was as naive as they appeared, but I think Russia mistook its gentle approach for naivite & weakness.
The Obama administration has no policy with Russia, so hopefully they have a supply of mis-translated reset buttons for the times things go wrong.
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2010, 06:36:31 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2010, 02:22:27 PM
But to call a regime/system of government evil? I could go along with that. North Korea's government would seem to fit that title.
You can call anything you like evil. Generally, I will laugh at you for it. "Evil" is too simplistic a concept to fit any but the simplest actions at all snugly.
Even the North Korean government has done some good. People in it have committed many evil actions, for sure. But believe in "evil" governments (and even in the North Korean government as "evil") if that makes you feel better. I will only object if you try to argue that your "evil government" idea is at all an intellectual concept.
You may object all you like if it pleases you.
I will remind you that I have one of the 50 best presidents in US history agreeing with me that North Korea has an evil regime. :contract:
Not hard to be one of the 50 best presidents in US history when there's only been 44.
Quote from: derspiess on March 29, 2010, 06:44:31 PM
Putinvedev
:bleeding: That has to be one of the worst mergers of names yet. Besides, this is a highly misleading merger. Given their share of power, their combined name should be Putin. Medvedev is a very nice and enlightened guy, but he is unfortunately a complete joke, and has no real power.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2010, 06:47:09 PM
Not hard to be one of the 50 best presidents in US history when there's only been 44.
Good catch.
Quote from: DGuller on March 29, 2010, 06:50:48 PM
:bleeding: That has to be one of the worst mergers of names yet. Besides, this is a highly misleading merger. Given their share of power, their combined name should be Putin. Medvedev is a very nice and enlightened guy, but he is unfortunately a complete joke, and has no real power.
Why didn't you bite on my 'reset button' remark :angry:
Quote from: derspiess on March 29, 2010, 06:55:15 PM
Why didn't you bite on my 'reset button' remark :angry:
What's the point? People who want to believe that the reset button was stupidly mis-translated want to believe it because it makes them feel better. I'm sure anyone interested on my own take of the translation difficulties involved are already aware of my opinion on the matter.
Lectures poles for thinking russia is evil from the safety of northern canada is awful convenient.
Russia is culturally inclined to displays of force, and totalitarianism; they put insufficient value on russian lives, much less the lives of those nationalities unlucky enough to border them.
Russia is an evil nation. There is no shame in recognizing evil when it exists in the world; a smug relativism that thinks everything is negotiable and there are no absolutes is the greater shame.
Quote from: garbon on March 29, 2010, 06:05:41 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
Even the North Korean government has done some good.
How does that have anything to do with whether a government is evil or not?
I don't know. I don't think governments can be evil. I suppose you could simply define your way around the problem, but what would that solve?
Quote from: Neil on March 29, 2010, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
You can call anything you like evil. Generally, I will laugh at you for it. "Evil" is too simplistic a concept to fit any but the simplest actions at all snugly.
Unfortunately for you, things MUST be labeled, and 'evil' is a perfectly adequate label for those whose actions and motivations oppose our own.
:facepalm:
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on March 29, 2010, 09:11:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 29, 2010, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
You can call anything you like evil. Generally, I will laugh at you for it. "Evil" is too simplistic a concept to fit any but the simplest actions at all snugly.
Unfortunately for you, things MUST be labeled, and 'evil' is a perfectly adequate label for those whose actions and motivations oppose our own.
:facepalm:
You shouldn't facepalm when I speak, because I traffic in the truth.
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 08:38:25 PM
I don't know. I don't think governments can be evil. I suppose you could simply define your way around the problem, but what would that solve?
I think an entity can be evil and still take some good actions.
Quote from: garbon on March 29, 2010, 09:40:57 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 08:38:25 PM
I don't know. I don't think governments can be evil. I suppose you could simply define your way around the problem, but what would that solve?
I think an entity can be evil and still take some good actions.
Hitler and highways and whatnot.
Quote from: Neil on March 29, 2010, 09:50:08 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 29, 2010, 09:40:57 PM
I think an entity can be evil and still take some good actions.
Hitler and highways and whatnot.
Mussolini and railroads, China and cheap shit.
France and art.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2010, 06:47:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2010, 06:36:31 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2010, 02:22:27 PM
But to call a regime/system of government evil? I could go along with that. North Korea's government would seem to fit that title.
You can call anything you like evil. Generally, I will laugh at you for it. "Evil" is too simplistic a concept to fit any but the simplest actions at all snugly.
Even the North Korean government has done some good. People in it have committed many evil actions, for sure. But believe in "evil" governments (and even in the North Korean government as "evil") if that makes you feel better. I will only object if you try to argue that your "evil government" idea is at all an intellectual concept.
You may object all you like if it pleases you.
I will remind you that I have one of the 50 best presidents in US history agreeing with me that North Korea has an evil regime. :contract:
Not hard to be one of the 50 best presidents in US history when there's only been 44.
:face:
Which of our presidents was you referring to, boy?
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 08:38:25 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 29, 2010, 06:05:41 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
Even the North Korean government has done some good.
How does that have anything to do with whether a government is evil or not?
I don't know. I don't think governments can be evil. I suppose you could simply define your way around the problem, but what would that solve?
I dunno, you do this all the time. What does it do for you?
Quote from: derspiess on March 29, 2010, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 29, 2010, 11:54:04 AM
I think one of the problems in the US perception of Russia is that while both the US and Russia are superpowers that tend to be perceived by various Rest of the World countries as evil, Russia actually *is* evil but some Americans tend to have a sort of unwarranted sympathy (or at least, a grudging respect) for it.
Not sure what you're referring to in terms of sympathy. A lot of Americans still view the Russians in the same light as they viewed the Soviets. A lot of other don't give two shits about the Russians, either way.
Personally, I've been of the opinion that it falls within our national interests to have a somewhat-strong Russia (though preferably a less anti-American Russia from what we've seen). A weak Russia would mean a power vacuum in certain regions that could have all sorts of nasty, unpredictable consequences. It was for that reason that I supported Russia in the Chechnya conflict.
Having said that, I think we need to be a little more cautious and a little less gracious when dealing with Putinvedev & Russia than we have been in the past decade. I don't think the Bush administration was as naive as they appeared, but I think Russia mistook its gentle approach for naivite & weakness.
The Obama administration has no policy with Russia, so hopefully they have a supply of mis-translated reset buttons for the times things go wrong.
I think even on the American right (not all of it but some) there is this sort of feeling of connection with Russia, sort of "tough guys vs. the Euro pussies". A good example of it was the famous quote by Bush about looking into Putin's eyes.
Also in the news: grumbler boggles down a thread in another retarded discussion about semantics. Film at 11.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 29, 2010, 04:43:40 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 29, 2010, 12:41:01 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 29, 2010, 03:31:59 AM
Quote from: Kleves on March 29, 2010, 01:15:26 AM
Looks like Putin needs a pretext to seize more power.
So you are the American version of those Euros, Russians, and Arabs who claimed that 9/11 was a plot for Bush to seize power.
It's a far less inconceivable scenario for the Russian secret police. After all, it's an agency that killed millions of its fellow citizens directly, and that's staffed with trained sociopaths even today.
This act doesn't sound like a false flag operation, but apartment building bombings that happened at a very convenient time in 1999 are suspicious. This particular incident is mainly what fuels the conspiracy theories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Ryazan_incident .
I'm not big into conspiracy theories. While Russia (and the Soviet union have done many unscrupulous things they tend to be very ham handed about it.
That may be true. But in terms of pure motivations, I like to think that if faced with a possibility of killing 3,000 Americans and getting away with it, just to score some political points, Bush and Cheney would at least think twice, whereas if Putin had the same opportunity, only with 3,000 Russians he would do it right away.
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I think even on the American right (not all of it but some) there is this sort of feeling of connection with Russia, sort of "tough guys vs. the Euro pussies". A good example of it was the famous quote by Bush about looking into Putin's eyes.
There's a certain amount of truth to it. Also that I think Americans (until pretty recently at least) tended to think of Russians as more or less our equals on the other side of the spectrum, with the Europeans being silly and depending on either Soviet or American assistance for everything.
That said, Bill Kristol, the American Far Right's Cappo de Retardi, recently came out with an interview defending Chechen suicide bombers , here. (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/03/the-blame-russia-first-crowd.php) Apparently Palestinian suicide bombers are war criminals bent upon the annihilation of everything right and true in the Universe, while their Chechen counterparts valiantly defend their nation's honor by blowing themselves up on Moscow subways, killing a bunch of babushkas, tourists and kids in the process.
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That may be true. But in terms of pure motivations, I like to think that if faced with a possibility of killing 3,000 Americans and getting away with it, just to score some political points, Bush and Cheney would at least think twice, whereas if Putin had the same opportunity, only with 3,000 Russians he would do it right away.
I don't think there is a lot I'd put past post-9/11 Cheney, but besides their relative innocence compared to Putin, I really don't think for a second that they would be
competent enough to kill 3,000 people with a massive, coordinated faux-terrorist attack and only have a few retard dropouts find out the truth. I think Putin and the FSB are probably more than smart enough to pull off a few strategically timed bombings, though.
I don't necessarily believe that the FSB is responsible, but I just find it far, far more plausible than anything the "Truthers" are spewing.
Quote from: Queequeg on March 30, 2010, 08:36:09 AM
I really don't think for a second that they would be competent enough to kill 3,000 people with a massive, coordinated faux-terrorist attack and only have a few retard dropouts find out the truth.
Competency isn't the issue, but rather the nature of the United States.
Quote from: Neil on March 30, 2010, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on March 30, 2010, 08:36:09 AM
I really don't think for a second that they would be competent enough to kill 3,000 people with a massive, coordinated faux-terrorist attack and only have a few retard dropouts find out the truth.
Competency isn't the issue, but rather the nature of the United States.
Competency is always an issue. The Gulf of Tonkin thing is a good example.
Quote from: Martinus on March 30, 2010, 02:13:28 AM
I think even on the American right (not all of it but some) there is this sort of feeling of connection with Russia, sort of "tough guys vs. the Euro pussies". A good example of it was the famous quote by Bush about looking into Putin's eyes.
I think the American right generally dislikes Russia.
Dislike and grudging respect aren't mutually exclusive. Relationship can probably be seen as somewhat similar to that between Carthage and Rome; Romans thought of Hannibal as a monster, and his City as a bunch of child-murdering shiftless merchants, but there was also the recognition that they were the only enemy that, in Rome's long history, was a truly worthy opponent and equal.
:lol: to the timing of this.
It turns out a friend of mine is booked for a trip to Russia starting tomorrow.
Quote from: Tyr on March 30, 2010, 05:10:26 PM
:lol: to the timing of this.
It turns out a friend of mine is booked for a trip to Russia starting tomorrow.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.starcraftmazter.net%2F4chan%2Fcommie%2Fcool_story_bro.jpg&hash=ac1fe6eef2f39e182223d8b0565c48fefed07c37)
Quote from: Queequeg on March 30, 2010, 08:36:09 AM
I really don't think for a second that they would be competent enough to kill 3,000 people with a massive, coordinated faux-terrorist attack and only have a few retard dropouts find out the truth.
Meaning someone else would? :mellow:
Quote from: Queequeg on March 30, 2010, 08:36:09 AM
That said, Bill Kristol, the American Far Right's Cappo de Retardi, recently came out with an interview defending Chechen suicide bombers , here. (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/03/the-blame-russia-first-crowd.php) Apparently Palestinian suicide bombers are war criminals bent upon the annihilation of everything right and true in the Universe, while their Chechen counterparts valiantly defend their nation's honor by blowing themselves up on Moscow subways, killing a bunch of babushkas, tourists and kids in the process.
Thing is, the original Chechnyan independence movement, as we knew it with General Dudayev, is all but dead. It's been co-opted by Islamofascists.
Quote from: Martinus on March 30, 2010, 02:13:28 AM
I think even on the American right (not all of it but some) there is this sort of feeling of connection with Russia, sort of "tough guys vs. the Euro pussies". A good example of it was the famous quote by Bush about looking into Putin's eyes.
Wrong. There is no "feeling of connection" whatsoever. I don't think Bush was as sincere in that quote as you guys assume.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 30, 2010, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on March 30, 2010, 08:36:09 AM
That said, Bill Kristol, the American Far Right's Cappo de Retardi, recently came out with an interview defending Chechen suicide bombers , here. (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/03/the-blame-russia-first-crowd.php) Apparently Palestinian suicide bombers are war criminals bent upon the annihilation of everything right and true in the Universe, while their Chechen counterparts valiantly defend their nation's honor by blowing themselves up on Moscow subways, killing a bunch of babushkas, tourists and kids in the process.
Thing is, the original Chechnyan independence movement, as we knew it with General Dudayev, is all but dead. It's been co-opted by Islamofascists.
Indeed. And Russia is to blame for that in its brutal quelling of the original Chechen rebellion.
Quote from: Queequeg on March 30, 2010, 08:36:09 AM
That said, Bill Kristol, the American Far Right's Cappo de Retardi, recently came out with an interview defending Chechen suicide bombers , here. (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/03/the-blame-russia-first-crowd.php) Apparently Palestinian suicide bombers are war criminals bent upon the annihilation of everything right and true in the Universe, while their Chechen counterparts valiantly defend their nation's honor by blowing themselves up on Moscow subways, killing a bunch of babushkas, tourists and kids in the process.
I wouldn't go as far, but whenever a Russian days, it's score 1 for Poland, and whenever an Islamotard dies it's score 1 for the West, so either way it's a win-win.
Whenever a Russian days?
Spelling 1, Poland 0
Quote from: derspiess on March 30, 2010, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 30, 2010, 02:13:28 AM
I think even on the American right (not all of it but some) there is this sort of feeling of connection with Russia, sort of "tough guys vs. the Euro pussies". A good example of it was the famous quote by Bush about looking into Putin's eyes.
Wrong. There is no "feeling of connection" whatsoever. I don't think Bush was as sincere in that quote as you guys assume.
So he's a liar?
Well, Moscow is frustrated and angered at this. There is really no true idea on how to handle the situation in the North Caucasus, nor how to stop further attacks. And there seems to be a lot more terrorists active in the country.
In the last few years there was an attempt to invest in the region to improve the living standards, but local corruption ate almost all the money. And there is little interest in removing the local governments, as those places are dangerous and there are few who are willing to take them.
As a result, basically all the talk in Moscow is about clamping down and using force against the muslim separatists. Weather this will solve anything in the long run is anybodys' guess. :(
Quote from: Martim Silva on March 31, 2010, 07:01:28 AMIn the last few years there was an attempt to invest in the region to improve the living standards, but local corruption ate almost all the money. And there is little interest in removing the local governments, as those places are dangerous and there are few who are willing to take them.
Well, who would have thought murdering any moderate local politician and then installing a local mafia boss on a KGB pay as a President, only because he was loyal to his masters in Moscow, could backfire so badly for Russia!
Fuck Russia over this. They have blood on their hands and they pushed the region into the arms of the muslim extremists. Russia deserves any deaths it gets as a result.
Quote from: Queequeg on March 30, 2010, 08:36:09 AM
That said, Bill Kristol, the American Far Right's Cappo de Retardi, recently came out with an interview defending Chechen suicide bombers , here. (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/03/the-blame-russia-first-crowd.php) Apparently Palestinian suicide bombers are war criminals bent upon the annihilation of everything right and true in the Universe, while their Chechen counterparts valiantly defend their nation's honor by blowing themselves up on Moscow subways, killing a bunch of babushkas, tourists and kids in the process.
Interesting that you could read
QuoteBut obviously that's no excuse for being a suicide bomber.
and conclude that this is defending suicide bombers. :wacko:
It is also interesting that you polemics are far more over the top than his! :lol:
If he is a
Cappo de Retardi, and your words are more retarded than his are, what title should we give you?
Recto de Retardi?
Quote from: Martinus on March 31, 2010, 07:29:21 AM
Fuck Russia over this. They have blood on their hands and they pushed the region into the arms of the muslim extremists. Russia deserves any deaths it gets as a result.
I am thinking this goes back to the bumper-sticker-mentality "nations/regimes are evil" argument you made in an earlier thread, but whatever "Russia deserves" (whatever "Russia"
means), no Russian civilians "deserve" to be killed by suicide bombers.
Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2010, 07:41:00 AM
It is also interesting that you polemics are far more over the top than his! :lol:
If he is a Cappo de Retardi, and your words are more retarded than his are, what title should we give you? Recto de Retardi?
Dude, Spellus's schtick is that he is over the top on
everything. Everything is either the greatest thing of all time (or, as he would put it "very, very, very good") or the worst abomination EVAR. It's what makes him a unique snowflake. :)
That, and his fear and hatred of women in powerful roles. :contract:
Quote from: Caliga on March 31, 2010, 08:07:52 AM
Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2010, 07:41:00 AM
It is also interesting that you polemics are far more over the top than his! :lol:
If he is a Cappo de Retardi, and your words are more retarded than his are, what title should we give you? Recto de Retardi?
That, and his fear and hatred of women in powerful roles. :contract:
Elaborate
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 31, 2010, 08:16:56 AM
Elaborate
Spellus was apoplectic in his opposition to both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. While I can fully understand the latter, for the same person to be so enraged about both politicians strikes me as pathological in nature. :)
OTOH, he is either enraged or ecstatic about every topic, so maybe with the Spellus filter off he was just mildly annoyed about both women, which I *can* understand. :hmm:
Both women reminded him of the daughter's of Constantine VIII in the twilight of the Macedonian dynasty. Their misrule and intrigues set the empire on a course that would wreck the empire. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH <insert further Spellus ranting with references to several works>
I just can't copy his long winded Imperial rantings. :(
Quote from: Caliga on March 31, 2010, 11:49:31 AM
Spellus was apoplectic in his opposition to both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. While I can fully understand the latter, for the same person to be so enraged about both politicians strikes me as pathological in nature. :)
There are other reasons for his hatred of those two women. As an extremely partisan Democrat, Spellus hates all Republicans, and the further they diverge from the Democratic party's plank, the more Spellus hates them. As for Clinton, Spellus is from Chicago and worships Obama like a god. Hillary's participation in the primary might have been forgiveable, but the fact that she actually ran a campaign and didn't just lie down for Obama is not.
In my opinion, Spellus' picking a new ethnicity with which to obsess every year or two is much more amusing.
Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2010, 07:41:00 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on March 30, 2010, 08:36:09 AM
That said, Bill Kristol, the American Far Right's Cappo de Retardi, recently came out with an interview defending Chechen suicide bombers , here. (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/03/the-blame-russia-first-crowd.php) Apparently Palestinian suicide bombers are war criminals bent upon the annihilation of everything right and true in the Universe, while their Chechen counterparts valiantly defend their nation's honor by blowing themselves up on Moscow subways, killing a bunch of babushkas, tourists and kids in the process.
Interesting that you could read QuoteBut obviously that's no excuse for being a suicide bomber.
and conclude that this is defending suicide bombers. :wacko:
It is also interesting that you polemics are far more over the top than his! :lol:
If he is a Cappo de Retardi, and your words are more retarded than his are, what title should we give you? Recto de Retardi?
Cappo
di Retardi.
You fail at spelling too.
Quote from: Siege on March 31, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Cappo di Retardi.
You fail at spelling too.
:rolleyes: Not everything is about you, Siege. I don't care
how you spell your name; it isn't you we are referring to.
Quote from: Siege on March 31, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2010, 07:41:00 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on March 30, 2010, 08:36:09 AM
That said, Bill Kristol, the American Far Right's Cappo de Retardi, recently came out with an interview defending Chechen suicide bombers , here. (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/03/the-blame-russia-first-crowd.php) Apparently Palestinian suicide bombers are war criminals bent upon the annihilation of everything right and true in the Universe, while their Chechen counterparts valiantly defend their nation's honor by blowing themselves up on Moscow subways, killing a bunch of babushkas, tourists and kids in the process.
Interesting that you could read QuoteBut obviously that's no excuse for being a suicide bomber.
and conclude that this is defending suicide bombers. :wacko:
It is also interesting that you polemics are far more over the top than his! :lol:
If he is a Cappo de Retardi, and your words are more retarded than his are, what title should we give you? Recto de Retardi?
Cappo di Retardi.
You fail at spelling too.
:face:
Quote from: grumbler on March 31, 2010, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: Siege on March 31, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Cappo di Retardi.
You fail at spelling too.
:rolleyes: Not everything is about you, Siege. I don't care how you spell your name; it isn't you we are referring to.
I'll make you do push ups!
Quote from: Siege on March 31, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Cappo di Retardi.
You fail at spelling too.
Capo di Retardi. You all fucking fail at Italian.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 31, 2010, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: Siege on March 31, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Cappo di Retardi.
You fail at spelling too.
Capo di Retardi. You all fucking fail at Italian.
:bleeding:
Quote from: Habbaku on March 31, 2010, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: Siege on March 31, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Cappo di Retardi.
You fail at spelling too.
Capo di Retardi. You all fucking fail at Italian.
Capo della Ritarda. :contract:
Who cares? It's Italian. That's a language on par with Bulgarian and Tocharian.
Speaking of languages, I recently read a reference in a Wikipedia article referring to a man being possibly fluent in Calitornian. I can't find a reference to it anywhere, and everywhere else I've found it it's just a typo of Californian. What is it? Obscure or typo? There is no Californian language I'm aware of and this is really intriguing me.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 31, 2010, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: Siege on March 31, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Cappo di Retardi.
You fail at spelling too.
Capo di Retardi. You all fucking fail at Italian.
Bar bar bar, you say? Are you sure? It sounded more like bar bar bar to me.
Quote from: Neil on March 31, 2010, 06:56:23 PM
Who cares? It's Italian. That's a language on par with Bulgarian and Tocharian.
Tocharian?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 31, 2010, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 31, 2010, 06:56:23 PM
Who cares? It's Italian. That's a language on par with Bulgarian and Tocharian.
Tocharian?
Dead language.