Let the Counter-Reformation begin. :pope:
QuoteTexas Conservatives Win Curriculum Change
By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr.
AUSTIN, Tex. — After three days of turbulent meetings, the Texas Board of Education on Friday approved a social studies curriculum that will put a conservative stamp on history and economics textbooks, stressing the superiority of American capitalism, questioning the Founding Fathers' commitment to a purely secular government and presenting Republican political philosophies in a more positive light.
The vote was 10 to 5 along party lines, with all the Republicans on the board voting for it.
The board, whose members are elected, has influence beyond Texas because the state is one of the largest buyers of textbooks. In the digital age, however, that influence has diminished as technological advances have made it possible for publishers to tailor books to individual states.
In recent years, board members have been locked in an ideological battle between a bloc of conservatives who question Darwin's theory of evolution and believe the Founding Fathers were guided by Christian principles, and a handful of Democrats and moderate Republicans who have fought to preserve the teaching of Darwinism and the separation of church and state.
Since January, Republicans on the board have passed more than 100 amendments to the 120-page curriculum standards affecting history, sociology and economics courses from elementary to high school. The standards were proposed by a panel of teachers.
"We are adding balance," said Dr. Don McLeroy, the leader of the conservative faction on the board, after the vote. "History has already been skewed. Academia is skewed too far to the left."
Battles over what to put in science and history books have taken place for years in the 20 states where state boards must adopt textbooks, most notably in California and Texas. But rarely in recent history has a group of conservative board members left such a mark on a social studies curriculum.
Efforts by Hispanic board members to include more Latino figures as role models for the state's large Hispanic population were consistently defeated, prompting one member, Mary Helen Berlanga, to storm out of a meeting late Thursday night, saying, "They can just pretend this is a white America and Hispanics don't exist."
"They are going overboard, they are not experts, they are not historians," she said. "They are rewriting history, not only of Texas but of the United States and the world."
The curriculum standards will now be published in a state register, opening them up for 30 days of public comment. A final vote will be taken in May, but given the Republican dominance of the board, it is unlikely that many changes will be made.
The standards, reviewed every decade, serve as a template for textbook publishers, who must come before the board next year with drafts of their books. The board's makeup will have changed by then because Dr. McLeroy lost in a primary this month to a more moderate Republican, and two others — one Democrat and one conservative Republican — announced they were not seeking re-election.
There are seven members of the conservative bloc on the board, but they are often joined by one of the other three Republicans on crucial votes. There were no historians, sociologists or economists consulted at the meetings, though some members of the conservative bloc held themselves out as experts on certain topics.
The conservative members maintain that they are trying to correct what they see as a liberal bias among the teachers who proposed the curriculum. To that end, they made dozens of minor changes aimed at calling into question, among other things, concepts like the separation of church and state and the secular nature of the American Revolution.
"I reject the notion by the left of a constitutional separation of church and state," said David Bradley, a conservative from Beaumont who works in real estate. "I have $1,000 for the charity of your choice if you can find it in the Constitution."
They also included a plank to ensure that students learn about "the conservative resurgence of the 1980s and 1990s, including Phyllis Schlafly, the Contract With America, the Heritage Foundation, the Moral Majority and the National Rifle Association."
Dr. McLeroy, a dentist by training, pushed through a change to the teaching of the civil rights movement to ensure that students study the violent philosophy of the Black Panthers in addition to the nonviolent approach of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He also made sure that textbooks would mention the votes in Congress on civil rights legislation, which Republicans supported.
"Republicans need a little credit for that," he said. "I think it's going to surprise some students."
Mr. Bradley won approval for an amendment saying students should study "the unintended consequences" of the Great Society legislation, affirmative action and Title IX legislation. He also won approval for an amendment stressing that Germans and Italians as well as Japanese were interned in the United States during World War II, to counter the idea that the internment of Japanese was motivated by racism.
Other changes seem aimed at tamping down criticism of the right. Conservatives passed one amendment, for instance, requiring that the history of McCarthyism include "how the later release of the Venona papers confirmed suspicions of communist infiltration in U.S. government." The Venona papers were transcripts of some 3,000 communications between the Soviet Union and its agents in the United States.
Mavis B. Knight, a Democrat from Dallas, introduced an amendment requiring that students study the reasons "the founding fathers protected religious freedom in America by barring the government from promoting or disfavoring any particular religion above all others."
It was defeated on a party-line vote.
After the vote, Ms. Knight said, "The social conservatives have perverted accurate history to fulfill their own agenda."
In economics, the revisions add Milton Friedman and Friedrich von Hayek, two champions of free-market economic theory, among the usual list of economists to be studied, like Adam Smith, Karl Marx and John Maynard Keynes. They also replaced the word "capitalism" throughout their texts with the "free-enterprise system."
"Let's face it, capitalism does have a negative connotation," said one conservative member, Terri Leo. "You know, 'capitalist pig!' "
In the field of sociology, another conservative member, Barbara Cargill, won passage of an amendment requiring the teaching of "the importance of personal responsibility for life choices" in a section on teenage suicide, dating violence, sexuality, drug use and eating disorders.
"The topic of sociology tends to blame society for everything," Ms. Cargill said.
Even the course on world history did not escape the board's scalpel.
Cynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term "separation between church and state.")
"The Enlightenment was not the only philosophy on which these revolutions were based," Ms. Dunbar said.
:frusty:
not the only philosophy to inspire a revolution? WTF, The Enlightenment is the one that inspired the American Revolution!!!
Idiots.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/12/texas-education-board-cuts-thomas-jefferson-out-of-its-textbooks/
QuoteTexas Board of Education cuts Thomas Jefferson out of its textbooks.
thomas-jefferson-big copy The Texas Board of Education has been meeting this week to revise its social studies curriculum. During the past three days, "the board's far-right faction wielded their power to shape lessons on the civil rights movement, the U.S. free enterprise system and hundreds of other topics":
– To avoid exposing students to "transvestites, transsexuals and who knows what else," the Board struck the curriculum's reference to "sex and gender as social constructs."
– The Board removed Thomas Jefferson from the Texas curriculum, "replacing him with religious right icon John Calvin."
– The Board refused to require that "students learn that the Constitution prevents the U.S. government from promoting one religion over all others."
– The Board struck the word "democratic" from the description of the U.S. government, instead terming it a "constitutional republic."
As the nation's second-largest textbook market, Texas has enormous leverage over publishers, who often "craft their standard textbooks based on the specs of the biggest buyers." Indeed, as The Washington Monthly has reported, "when it comes to textbooks, what happens in Texas rarely stays in Texas."
-DJ Carella
The bold one is funny because it's sad.
QuoteTo avoid exposing students to "transvestites, transsexuals and who knows what else,"
Can we get Poles added to that list?
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 13, 2010, 07:02:30 PM
QuoteTo avoid exposing students to "transvestites, transsexuals and who knows what else,"
Can we get Poles added to that list?
Is that the gay tellytubby in your avatar?
Quote from: Viking on March 13, 2010, 07:03:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 13, 2010, 07:02:30 PM
QuoteTo avoid exposing students to "transvestites, transsexuals and who knows what else,"
Can we get Poles added to that list?
Is that the gay tellytubby in your avatar?
A purple hippo
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 13, 2010, 07:06:24 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 13, 2010, 07:03:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 13, 2010, 07:02:30 PM
QuoteTo avoid exposing students to "transvestites, transsexuals and who knows what else,"
Can we get Poles added to that list?
Is that the gay tellytubby in your avatar?
A purple hippo
Is it the gay purple hippo?
Is there another kind?
Quote from: Maximus on March 13, 2010, 07:31:46 PM
Is there another kind?
You know me, I don't like to make assumptions.
It's telling that Viking is more concerned about the accurate description of the US as a republic, than about the omission of Thomas Jefferson in favor of that crypto-fuckwit, John Calvin. WTF, Texas? As secessionists, you should be promoting the cult of Jefferson. As Americans, you should be promoting American philosopher presidents over racist misogynists. As Baptists, you should not be promoting a predestinationist!
Americans are retarded. Film at 11.
Quote from: Scipio on March 13, 2010, 07:39:21 PM
It's telling that Viking is more concerned about the accurate description of the US as a republic, than about the omission of Thomas Jefferson in favor of that crypto-fuckwit, John Calvin. WTF, Texas? As secessionists, you should be promoting the cult of Jefferson. As Americans, you should be promoting American philosopher presidents over racist misogynists. As Baptists, you should not be promoting a predestinationist!
No, a highly politicised school board newspeaks out the name of the other party. The science bit is sad, the redefinition of the USA is just funny.
Quote from: Viking on March 13, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
...the redefinition of the USA is just funny.
What part of the description of the USA as a "constitutional republic" do you object to? It's a far more accurate description than the generic usage of the term "Democracy", and probably better than the more narrow usage of "Democracy" - you do not govern yourself in the fashion of ancient Athens, after all.
Quote from: Agelastus on March 13, 2010, 09:16:31 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 13, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
...the redefinition of the USA is just funny.
What part of the description of the USA as a "constitutional republic" do you object to? It's a far more accurate description than the generic usage of the term "Democracy", and probably better than the more narrow usage of "Democracy" - you do not govern yourself in the fashion of ancient Athens, after all.
I don't have any issue with the factual accuracy of the statement. I just find a panel being criticized for being highly politicized changing a factually correct description of the USA including the name of the party accused of not being favoured by the panel to another factually correct description of the USA including the name of the party accused of being favoured by the panel humorous.
Good Job, Valmy.
Quote from: Agelastus on March 13, 2010, 09:16:31 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 13, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
...the redefinition of the USA is just funny.
What part of the description of the USA as a "constitutional republic" do you object to? It's a far more accurate description than the generic usage of the term "Democracy", and probably better than the more narrow usage of "Democracy" - you do not govern yourself in the fashion of ancient Athens, after all.
Look at the kind of people who insist that the US is not a "democracy" and you'll understand why. No one has used democracy in the exclusively "narrow" sense since about, well, the modern era in any case.
Texas :lol:
Quote from: Warspite on March 13, 2010, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on March 13, 2010, 09:16:31 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 13, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
...the redefinition of the USA is just funny.
What part of the description of the USA as a "constitutional republic" do you object to? It's a far more accurate description than the generic usage of the term "Democracy", and probably better than the more narrow usage of "Democracy" - you do not govern yourself in the fashion of ancient Athens, after all.
Look at the kind of people who insist that the US is not a "democracy" and you'll understand why. No one has used democracy in the exclusively "narrow" sense since about, well, the modern era in any case.
A democracy is a country in which power is obtained by the freely given consent of the citizenry.
Quote from: Warspite on March 13, 2010, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on March 13, 2010, 09:16:31 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 13, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
...the redefinition of the USA is just funny.
What part of the description of the USA as a "constitutional republic" do you object to? It's a far more accurate description than the generic usage of the term "Democracy", and probably better than the more narrow usage of "Democracy" - you do not govern yourself in the fashion of ancient Athens, after all.
Look at the kind of people who insist that the US is not a "democracy" and you'll understand why. No one has used democracy in the exclusively "narrow" sense since about, well, the modern era in any case.
Yeah. They tend to act like grumbler. :yuk:
Not his fault. Being a citizen was a big thing back then and he doesn't want anyone to demean his status.
That Calvin thing is sectarian against Catholics <_<
I think Texas needs to rename their National Guard to Republican Guard.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 13, 2010, 10:13:45 PM
That Calvin thing is sectarian against Catholics <_<
There was only one Catholic to sign the declaration. :(
Quote from: Viking on March 13, 2010, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 13, 2010, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on March 13, 2010, 09:16:31 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 13, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
...the redefinition of the USA is just funny.
What part of the description of the USA as a "constitutional republic" do you object to? It's a far more accurate description than the generic usage of the term "Democracy", and probably better than the more narrow usage of "Democracy" - you do not govern yourself in the fashion of ancient Athens, after all.
Look at the kind of people who insist that the US is not a "democracy" and you'll understand why. No one has used democracy in the exclusively "narrow" sense since about, well, the modern era in any case.
A democracy is a country in which power is obtained by the freely given consent of the citizenry.
The Texas school board is smarter than you. Gratz.
It's funny. Conservative Americans appear to be even dumber than conservative Poles. :lol:
Americans are deeply, aggressively stupid. The whole "America isn't a democracy" thing makes them the laughing stock of the world.
What's the end political purpose in insisting that America is a constitutional republic rather than a democracy?
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on March 14, 2010, 07:39:28 AM
What's the end political purpose in insisting that America is a constitutional republic rather than a democracy?
Settle touchy people's pet peeve when it is refered to as a democracy. I guess we can no long refer to ourselves as The Arsenal of Democracy. :(
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on March 14, 2010, 07:39:28 AM
What's the end political purpose in insisting that America is a constitutional republic rather than a democracy?
Has connotations of "Democrats".
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 14, 2010, 08:14:46 AM
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on March 14, 2010, 07:39:28 AM
What's the end political purpose in insisting that America is a constitutional republic rather than a democracy?
Settle touchy people's pet peeve when it is refered to as a democracy. I guess we can no long refer to ourselves as The Arsenal of Democracy. :(
There there, the Arsenal of Constitutional Republicanism isn't bad.
Quote from: Scipio on March 13, 2010, 07:39:21 PM
It's telling that Viking is more concerned about the accurate description of the US as a republic, than about the omission of Thomas Jefferson in favor of that crypto-fuckwit, John Calvin. WTF, Texas? As secessionists, you should be promoting the cult of Jefferson.
At first, I misread "John Calvin" in both this and the OP as "John Calhoun" and wondered why, as secessionists, they wouldn't want to promote Calhoun. Then I adjusted my screen size, and realized who it was you were talking about.
lol
Quote from: dps on March 14, 2010, 09:11:20 AM
Quote from: Scipio on March 13, 2010, 07:39:21 PM
It's telling that Viking is more concerned about the accurate description of the US as a republic, than about the omission of Thomas Jefferson in favor of that crypto-fuckwit, John Calvin. WTF, Texas? As secessionists, you should be promoting the cult of Jefferson.
At first, I misread "John Calvin" in both this and the OP as "John Calhoun" and wondered why, as secessionists, they wouldn't want to promote Calhoun. Then I adjusted my screen size, and realized who it was you were talking about.
lol
So did I. Thought it was ridiculous. Course, so is Calvin.
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on March 14, 2010, 07:39:28 AM
What's the end political purpose in insisting that America is a constitutional republic rather than a democracy?
I'm going to wager a stupid guess: it's Republicans vs. Democrats? I wouldn't be surprised if it was something as moronic as this behind this all.
Quote from: Scipio on March 13, 2010, 07:39:21 PM
It's telling that Viking is more concerned about the accurate description of the US as a republic, than about the omission of Thomas Jefferson in favor of that crypto-fuckwit, John Calvin. WTF, Texas? As secessionists, you should be promoting the cult of Jefferson. As Americans, you should be promoting American philosopher presidents over racist misogynists. As Baptists, you should not be promoting a predestinationist!
This is what happens when illiterates take over school boards.
they probably think that Thomas Hobbes was Calvin's stuffed animal.
Quote from: The Brain on March 14, 2010, 05:23:47 AM
Americans Texans are deeply, aggressively stupid. The whole "America isn't a democracy" thing makes them the laughing stock of the world.
Fixed
QuoteCynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term "separation between church and state.")
"The Enlightenment was not the only philosophy on which these revolutions were based," Ms. Dunbar said.
It's funny because it's sad.
My Texas. :cry:
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 14, 2010, 01:12:29 PM
My Texas. :cry:
As long as the food stays good, Texas is still OK.
As long as it pisses off the liberals, it's OK in my book.
Quote from: Fate on March 14, 2010, 05:38:35 PM
As long as it pisses off the liberals, it's OK in my book.
The problem is that it used to be the ideologues were mostly sidelined. Now they run the fucking country.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 14, 2010, 05:59:02 PM
Quote from: Fate on March 14, 2010, 05:38:35 PM
As long as it pisses off the liberals, it's OK in my book.
The problem is that it used to be the ideologues were mostly sidelined. Now they run the fucking country.
Fate Rule violation!
Quote from: grumbler on March 16, 2010, 08:06:00 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 14, 2010, 05:59:02 PM
Quote from: Fate on March 14, 2010, 05:38:35 PM
As long as it pisses off the liberals, it's OK in my book.
The problem is that it used to be the ideologues were mostly sidelined. Now they run the fucking country.
Fate Rule violation!
FUCK!
I am not really sure what this is a reaction against...I took all the AP History classes and so forth and nowhere did it say the American Revolution was a purely secular thing and we talked about Christianity all the time, and nowhere did it say anything about Capitalism being bad in some way...in fact I would say the classes tended to favor the traders and industrialists over the reactionary agriculturally based Lettows of the world. And all that when I was attending class in the most left wing Godless city in the South.
So I guess I fail to see what exactly the point of all that is. If the kids learn history at all in our crap schools I will be happy.
Seriously was the problem they were learning a non-ideologically correct history? That is the joke of the century.
Besides if the teacher is good enough to care, and thus a teacher the students will actually learn something from, it will that teachers opinions they will ultimately learn not whatever some moronic curriculum designers decide.
Quote from: Martinus on March 14, 2010, 04:41:40 AM
It's funny. Conservative Americans appear to be even dumber than conservative Poles. :lol:
Let me just say I voted in the Republican Primary recently and the party platform choices were so ludicrious it made me die a little bit inside.
I used to think the right wing was the party of sanity, not anymore. Now I get to pick which band of irresponsible idiots I want to ruin my country.
Quote from: Valmy on March 16, 2010, 08:17:10 AM
I am not really sure what this is a reaction against...I took all the AP History classes and so forth and nowhere did it say the American Revolution was a purely secular thing and we talked about Christianity all the time, and nowhere did it say anything about Capitalism being bad in some way...in fact I would say the classes tended to favor the traders and industrialists over the reactionary agriculturally based Lettows of the world. And all that when I was attending class in the most left wing Godless city in the South.
So I guess I fail to see what exactly the point of all that is. If the kids learn history at all in our crap schools I will be happy.
Seriously was the problem they were learning a non-ideologically correct history? That is the joke of the century.
Heh, just about the only way to get kids interested in history these days is to hook them on historically based computer games. :D
"I just played Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and I'm all fired up to learn about medieval Chinese history ... !"
Quote from: Malthus on March 16, 2010, 09:03:06 AM
Heh, just about the only way to get kids interested in history these days is to hook them on historically based computer games. :D
"I just played Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and I'm all fired up to learn about medieval Chinese history ... !"
Exactly. Kids learn history by being engaged in some way and finding it fun and entertaining. They retain essentially nothing from what some class tries to brainwash them into thinking.
You would think the usually individualist Texas right wing would understand that. But anyway this makes them happy so more power to them I guess.
Quote from: Valmy on March 16, 2010, 09:08:27 AM
Quote from: Malthus on March 16, 2010, 09:03:06 AM
Heh, just about the only way to get kids interested in history these days is to hook them on historically based computer games. :D
"I just played Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and I'm all fired up to learn about medieval Chinese history ... !"
Exactly. Kids learn history by being engaged in some way and finding it fun and entertaining. They retain essentially nothing from what some class tries to brainwash them into thinking.
You would think the usually individualist Texas right wing would understand that. But anyway this makes them happy so more power to them I guess.
My favorite history text for kids is the
Cartoon History of the Universe. History from the POV of a former '60s underground comix artist; it's a hoot. :D