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Title: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 03:36:07 AM
 :mad:

Last friday my wife came driving along a well traveled street in our local town. it was dark, after 5, and traffic was rush hour home bound the opposite way.

She turned left at the light of an intersection and started the low uphill towards home, the on coming traffic was stalled in line waiting for the lights in the intersection to change in their favour

WHAM. From a small side street, comes a an elderly man trying to go straight across. My wife brakes, she isn't going very fast, but she still hits his rear end at an angle as he almost makes it across.

Pulingto the curve he accepts all fault (as he should, coming from the side street he has cross an equivalent to full stop unto the larger road.) Witnesses ensure everyone is OK, she takes name and number and heads home.

The car, our belowed Golf GTI 95 has a huge dent in the bumber, front light is smashed, helmet is buckling slightly, front grille thrashed :(

In daylight it looks even worse. Got a call from the mechanic... first estimate before insurance has seen it, 24K... if the car is damaged for more than 65% they write it off :( so it will be touch and go.

With that luck the next thing will be the old man contest his responsibility, despite accepting full fault at the time :( My wife didn't get names or phone numbers from the witnesses :(

*crosses fingers*

V
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 04:23:11 AM
24k in damages? That's like buying a new car. Start browsing for new models.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 04:31:15 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 04:23:11 AM
24k in damages? That's like buying a new car. Start browsing for new models.

This is Denmark, the car is worth 50K, plus the 7+K spent in repairs just recently to bring it fully up to form :(

V
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 04:33:17 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 04:31:15 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 04:23:11 AM
24k in damages? That's like buying a new car. Start browsing for new models.

This is Denmark, the car is worth 50K, plus the 7+K spent in repairs just recently to bring it fully up to form :(

V

In which currency are we speaking? I had $/€ in mind.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Cecil on March 02, 2010, 04:43:38 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 04:33:17 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 04:31:15 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 04:23:11 AM
24k in damages? That's like buying a new car. Start browsing for new models.

This is Denmark, the car is worth 50K, plus the 7+K spent in repairs just recently to bring it fully up to form :(

V



In which currency are we speaking? I had $/€ in mind.

Repairs worth 25k euro would mean the car have been reduced to atoms.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 04:45:37 AM
Quote from: Cecil on March 02, 2010, 04:43:38 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 04:33:17 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 04:31:15 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 04:23:11 AM
24k in damages? That's like buying a new car. Start browsing for new models.

This is Denmark, the car is worth 50K, plus the 7+K spent in repairs just recently to bring it fully up to form :(

V

In which currency are we speaking? I had $/€ in mind.

Repairs worth 25k euro would mean the car have been reduced to atoms.

I knew V was Scandinavian, prices are crazy over there, specially with cars.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 05:32:41 AM
Its in Danish Kr. Thats 7.6 or so to the Euro, making it roughly 3K euros

In Denmark the registry tax on cars is 180% making used cars equally expensive

V
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 05:34:06 AM
Well, that's something else. How old is the car?

And that tax is crazy, can't you register it somewhere else and just take it to Denmark?
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 05:51:20 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 03:36:07 AM
The car, our belowed Golf GTI 95

1995,

And no, because they'll just tax the import proportionally so the import will cost roughly the same.

There are loopholes for used cars in the high end of the price range, cause extras are written of quicker than the actual car, so finding a highend German car with loads of extras and then importing it can save some money..

V
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Caliga on March 02, 2010, 06:02:45 AM
1995?  That's ancient.  Dude did you a favor.  :cool:
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Josquius on March 02, 2010, 06:24:59 AM
Stupid old men shouldn't drive indeed.
Men under 25 get a lot of crap from insurance companies and all the blame for accidents...but its usually OAPs that are to blame.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 06:37:23 AM
Quote from: Caliga on March 02, 2010, 06:02:45 AM
1995?  That's ancient.  Dude did you a favor.  :cool:

Thats the whole point... a 1995 GTI is 115 HP to 1000 kg or so... like driving a gokart compared to modern cars..

The modern equivalent is expensive and over done

V

EDIT, and 1995 old car is alot of value for money, except in a situation like this where the trade value is far below the drivng value :(
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Grey Fox on March 02, 2010, 06:51:43 AM
I have a Sunfire 1996, wanna trade?
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2010, 06:58:22 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 05:34:06 AMAnd that tax is crazy, can't you register it somewhere else and just take it to Denmark?

:lol:  "No, officer, this is my mother's car. From New Hampshire."
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 08:00:01 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2010, 06:58:22 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 05:34:06 AMAnd that tax is crazy, can't you register it somewhere else and just take it to Denmark?

:lol:  "No, officer, this is my mother's car. From New Hampshire."

Surely there must be some EU regulation that should allow for that.  :P
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 08:04:54 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 06:37:23 AM
Quote from: Caliga on March 02, 2010, 06:02:45 AM
1995?  That's ancient.  Dude did you a favor.  :cool:

Thats the whole point... a 1995 GTI is 115 HP to 1000 kg or so... like driving a gokart compared to modern cars..

The modern equivalent is expensive and over done

V

EDIT, and 1995 old car is alot of value for money, except in a situation like this where the trade value is far below the drivng value :(

Anyway, you should still repair it. If there's no damage to the engine and it's just the body and lights, it could be done easily as you don't have to replace pieces that for old models may be difficult to get. Buying a new car would be much more expensive.

I'm actually planning to buy a new car in the Golf range, in case you want some tips.  ;)
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 08:39:12 AM
Golf itself is over priced.... but vey nice..

For the same tech at lower price you could get a skoda or seat, or in similar vein an Opel :)

V
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 08:42:10 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 08:39:12 AM
Golf itself is over priced.... but vey nice..

For the same tech at lower price you could get a skoda or seat, or in similar vein an Opel :)

V

Friend of mine talks quite well of the Honda Civic, but I've yet to check its price in dealerships over here.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: KRonn on March 02, 2010, 09:13:49 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2010, 06:58:22 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 05:34:06 AMAnd that tax is crazy, can't you register it somewhere else and just take it to Denmark?

:lol:  "No, officer, this is my mother's car. From New Hampshire."
We used to have a lot of that going on, here in Massachusetts!    <_<   
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Neil on March 02, 2010, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 05:32:41 AM
In Denmark the registry tax on cars is 180% making used cars equally expensive
Wow.  No wonder Denmark looked so fucked up while I was there, with bicycles chained to every upright structure in sight.

Failed state.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 02, 2010, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: KRonn on March 02, 2010, 09:13:49 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2010, 06:58:22 AM
Quote from: The Larch on March 02, 2010, 05:34:06 AMAnd that tax is crazy, can't you register it somewhere else and just take it to Denmark?

:lol:  "No, officer, this is my mother's car. From New Hampshire."
We used to have a lot of that going on, here in Massachusetts!    <_<  
I never got that.  A lot of people who did it didn't want to have any sort of insurance, not just to have the cheaper insurance of small town New Hampshire. 

Only a lunatic would go without auto insurance in a place like Mass.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Ed Anger on March 02, 2010, 09:56:44 AM
Just do what I did with my old AMC Pacer back in the day:

Duct tape the parts back on. Nobody will notice.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: DGuller on March 02, 2010, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 02, 2010, 06:24:59 AM
Stupid old men shouldn't drive indeed.
Men under 25 get a lot of crap from insurance companies and all the blame for accidents...but its usually OAPs that are to blame.
Bullshit.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
Quote from: Neil on March 02, 2010, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 05:32:41 AM
In Denmark the registry tax on cars is 180% making used cars equally expensive
Wow.  No wonder Denmark looked so fucked up while I was there, with bicycles chained to every upright structure in sight.

Failed state.

I agree the tax is ridiculus, but the bikes is as much a convenience. Distances are short, Urban traffic lowered and parking is cheap for a bike.

On that particullar aspect Aleberta and Denmark are in very different places, geographically.

V
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 10:15:06 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 02, 2010, 09:56:44 AM
Just do what I did with my old AMC Pacer back in the day:

Duct tape the parts back on. Nobody will notice.

If only :(

But corrosion would kill it in two seasons :)

V
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Razgovory on March 02, 2010, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 02, 2010, 10:04:33 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 02, 2010, 06:24:59 AM
Stupid old men shouldn't drive indeed.
Men under 25 get a lot of crap from insurance companies and all the blame for accidents...but its usually OAPs that are to blame.
Bullshit.

Oh so now the guy who knows something about the subject interjects huh? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Razgovory on March 02, 2010, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
Quote from: Neil on March 02, 2010, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 05:32:41 AM
In Denmark the registry tax on cars is 180% making used cars equally expensive
Wow.  No wonder Denmark looked so fucked up while I was there, with bicycles chained to every upright structure in sight.

Failed state.

I agree the tax is ridiculus, but the bikes is as much a convenience. Distances are short, Urban traffic lowered and parking is cheap for a bike.

On that particullar aspect Aleberta and Denmark are in very different places, geographically.

V

People live in Denmark for one thing.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Ed Anger on March 02, 2010, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 10:15:06 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 02, 2010, 09:56:44 AM
Just do what I did with my old AMC Pacer back in the day:

Duct tape the parts back on. Nobody will notice.

If only :(

But corrosion would kill it in two seasons :)

V

Considering the Pacer, that would be a blessing.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Gambrinus on March 02, 2010, 11:28:53 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
parking is cheap for a bike.
You have to pay for parking a bike?  :huh:
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Barrister on March 02, 2010, 11:54:44 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
Quote from: Neil on March 02, 2010, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 05:32:41 AM
In Denmark the registry tax on cars is 180% making used cars equally expensive
Wow.  No wonder Denmark looked so fucked up while I was there, with bicycles chained to every upright structure in sight.

Failed state.

I agree the tax is ridiculus, but the bikes is as much a convenience. Distances are short, Urban traffic lowered and parking is cheap for a bike.

On that particullar aspect Aleberta and Denmark are in very different places, geographically.

V

:yes:

Denmark = huge parking lot
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Neil on March 02, 2010, 12:13:28 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
I agree the tax is ridiculus, but the bikes is as much a convenience. Distances are short, Urban traffic lowered and parking is cheap for a bike.

On that particullar aspect Aleberta and Denmark are in very different places, geographically.
True.  I also think that Denmark's long series of evil governments have had a great interest in reducing the personal freedom and mobility of the citizenry, for social reasons.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Barrister on March 02, 2010, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 02, 2010, 11:54:44 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
Quote from: Neil on March 02, 2010, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 05:32:41 AM
In Denmark the registry tax on cars is 180% making used cars equally expensive
Wow.  No wonder Denmark looked so fucked up while I was there, with bicycles chained to every upright structure in sight.

Failed state.

I agree the tax is ridiculus, but the bikes is as much a convenience. Distances are short, Urban traffic lowered and parking is cheap for a bike.

On that particullar aspect Aleberta and Denmark are in very different places, geographically.

V

:yes:

Denmark = huge small parking lot

Fixed my own post.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: crazy canuck on March 02, 2010, 03:45:48 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 02, 2010, 06:24:59 AM
Stupid old men shouldn't drive indeed.
Men under 25 get a lot of crap from insurance companies and all the blame for accidents...but its usually OAPs that are to blame.

Apparently not.

QuoteTeenage Driver Facts:
Deaths. Each Year over 5,000 teens ages 16 to 20 Die due to Fatal injuries caused Car accidents. About 400,000 drivers age 16 to 20 will be seriously injured.

Risks. The risk of being involved in a car accident the highest for drivers aged 16- to 19-year-olds than it is for any other age group. For each mile driven, teen drivers ages 16 to 19 are about four times more likely than other drivers to crash.

Stats. Teenagers are about 10 percent of the US Population but account for 12 percent all Fatal Car Crashes.

Costs. Drivers (both male and female) under age 24 account for 30% - $26 billion Dollars of the total costs of Car accidents in the US.

Male Versus Female. The car accident death rate for teen male drivers and passengers is more than one and a half times female teen driver (19.4 killed per 100,000 male drivers compared with 11.1 killed per 100,000 female drivers.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 03:49:37 PM
Quote from: Gambrinus on March 02, 2010, 11:28:53 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
parking is cheap for a bike.
You have to pay for parking a bike?  :huh:

Nope, hence the very cheap parking :D

Barrister, compared to Alberta Denmark is a VERY small parking lot, 42.000 sq km or so :) and far denser populated :)

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Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 03:52:06 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 02, 2010, 12:13:28 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 02, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
I agree the tax is ridiculus, but the bikes is as much a convenience. Distances are short, Urban traffic lowered and parking is cheap for a bike.

On that particullar aspect Aleberta and Denmark are in very different places, geographically.
True.  I also think that Denmark's long series of evil governments have had a great interest in reducing the personal freedom and mobility of the citizenry, for social reasons.

Possibly, but they still amange to maintain a comparably large foce in Afghanistan without have to resign the government, or running away with the tail between its legs...

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Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: garbon on March 02, 2010, 03:57:42 PM
If your wife hadn't been driving, this wouldn't have happened.
Title: Re: Stupid old men shouldn't drive
Post by: Habbaku on March 02, 2010, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 02, 2010, 10:16:18 AM
People live in Denmark for one thing.

Danish women?  Pastries?