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Title: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 07:48:50 PM
Yep, we got free beer for the superbowl. Two beers per.
Everybody is watching the damn superbawl and drinking beer.
Me, I took my ration, plus the ration for all the underage joes in my squad, which I reported as in drinking age, and I'm here posting on Languish!  :menace:

Fuck stupid american football. Real football is played with a round ball.

And fuck joes that are old enough to kill and die, but not old enough to drink.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Caliga on February 07, 2010, 07:53:05 PM
Totally agree... the US drinking age is ridiculous.  It should be zero, not 21.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Viking on February 07, 2010, 08:01:13 PM
is this actual beer or light "beer"?
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 08:03:23 PM
It should be 18 but it would kill the magic for older losers in college who get to party by being the beer supplier.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: Viking on February 07, 2010, 08:01:13 PM
is this actual beer or light "beer"?

Canned american beer. Miller Genuine Draft, Miller Lite, Budweiser, Bud Light, etc.

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Viking on February 07, 2010, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:08:01 PM
Quote from: Viking on February 07, 2010, 08:01:13 PM
is this actual beer or light "beer"?

Canned american beer. Miller Genuine Draft, Miller Lite, Budweiser, Bud Light, etc.

ok, light "beer" and yellow fizzy water then.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:15:50 PM
Wow, I'm drinking beer with my M4 right next to me.

I need to take a picture of this.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 07, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
Watch the fucking game you communist.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:35:40 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 07, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
Watch the fucking game you communist.

I'll stab you in your ass with my 12 inches long honeybread.

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Barrister on February 07, 2010, 08:37:24 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:35:40 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 07, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
Watch the fucking game you communist.

I'll stab you in your ass with my 12 inches long honeybread.

Homo.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on February 07, 2010, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 08:03:23 PM
It should be 18 but it would kill the magic for older losers in college who get to party by being the beer supplier.
Probably kill a lot of the party scene, just like legalizing dope.  The kids like to rebel by doing that shit.  Make it socially acceptable and it would be lame.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 08:40:52 PM
Beer is disgusting anyways.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on February 07, 2010, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 08:40:52 PM
Beer is disgusting anyways.
If you's gonna drink, boy, you gonna drink.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Barrister on February 07, 2010, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 08:40:52 PM
Beer is disgusting anyways.

Homo.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 08:45:50 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 07, 2010, 08:45:10 PM
Quote from: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 08:40:52 PM
Beer is disgusting anyways.

Homo.

NOT! Just could never get used to the taste. It smells bad, tastes bad, has a horrible aftertaste.

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 07, 2010, 08:49:04 PM
Drinking shitty beer and whining about "real" football while watching the Superbowl?

Siege:
No class?  No taste?  No problem.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:50:33 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg33.imageshack.us%2Fimg33%2F1817%2Fdsc03203y.jpg&hash=ee918a827248cdcb5daa80d6471899ea77a0b977)

Whoa, that was kind of fast, for Iraq.

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 08:51:05 PM
Don't shoot yourself. :P
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:59:47 PM
Quote from: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 08:51:05 PM
Don't shoot yourself. :P

Nah, there is still a lot of good that I can do to Islam in this world.

Come on, do the math. I deployed to Iraq in 2007 as the main effort of Teh Surge, and we won. I deployed again in 2009, and it is a done deal. While in the meantime there is a Surge in Afghanistan without me. Guess what, it ain't going to be succesful until I get there. I am America's Greatest Weapon Of War.

Afghanistan, you are next!

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 09:21:53 PM
After a few bbeers:


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Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: DGuller on February 07, 2010, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:59:47 PM
Quote from: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 08:51:05 PM
Don't shoot yourself. :P

Nah, there is still a lot of good that I can do to Islam in this world.

Come on, do the math. I deployed to Iraq in 2007 as the main effort of Teh Surge, and we won. I deployed again in 2009, and it is a done deal. While in the meantime there is a Surge in Afghanistan without me. Guess what, it ain't going to be succesful until I get there. I am America's Greatest Weapon Of War.

Afghanistan, you are next!
Wow, you really have no alcohol tolerance at all.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 09:23:47 PM
Afyter a lor of beeers:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg97.imageshack.us%2Fimg97%2F4738%2Fdsc03221o.jpg&hash=c6b670e3c8ed7cd9dbdbc3d3a4115168a71cfae0)
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Neil on February 07, 2010, 09:24:20 PM
Miller Lite is not kosher.  Siege is:  Defiled.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 09:25:31 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 07, 2010, 09:22:58 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:59:47 PM
Quote from: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 08:51:05 PM
Don't shoot yourself. :P

Nah, there is still a lot of good that I can do to Islam in this world.

Come on, do the math. I deployed to Iraq in 2007 as the main effort of Teh Surge, and we won. I deployed again in 2009, and it is a done deal. While in the meantime there is a Surge in Afghanistan without me. Guess what, it ain't going to be succesful until I get there. I am America's Greatest Weapon Of War.

Afghanistan, you are next!
Wow, you really have no alcohol tolerance at all.

Af course nat, flucker.
I havent seeen a beer since las Septemver.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 09:27:09 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 07, 2010, 09:24:20 PM
Miller Lite is not kosher.  Siege is:  Defiled.

Fuck You, Neil!!!!

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And all Miller beers are kosher supervised. Look on the side the little "K" within a circle.

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Neil on February 07, 2010, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 07, 2010, 09:27:09 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 07, 2010, 09:24:20 PM
Miller Lite is not kosher.  Siege is:  Defiled.

Fuck You, Neil!!!!

And all Miller beers are kosher supervised. Look on the side the little "K" within a circle.
You do realize that's a trap, right?  Non-religious Jews like myself are spitting in our religious tribe-mates' faces.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 09:45:42 PM
Neil, you suck my helmet. (Worst than sucking my dick, since my helmet is so nasty with sweat)


Tell Me Something I Don't Know   3:20   Selina Gomez   Another Cinderella Story   2008   Soundtrack      11   1/14/2010 4:38 PM   

Ooops. Wrong cut and paste.

Here we go again:

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Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 09:48:57 PM
Fuck man, I am sexy as fuck.

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: katmai on February 07, 2010, 09:53:06 PM
Selena-oy vey
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 09:54:24 PM
Ohh it says "Fuck you Neil"

I thought it said "Fuck you HEIL"
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Grey Fox on February 07, 2010, 09:55:29 PM
Drunk Siegy is so awesome.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: FunkMonk on February 07, 2010, 09:56:08 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Viking on February 07, 2010, 09:59:33 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:15:50 PM
Wow, I'm drinking beer with my M4 right next to me.

I need to take a picture of this.

Drinking and Shooting probably isn't good for bystanders.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 10:01:01 PM
Quote from: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 09:54:24 PM
Ohh it says "Fuck you Neil"

I thought it said "Fuck you HEIL"

You are just jealouss that I don't use the "Fuck U Jaron" anymor.  :blurgh:



Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 10:01:36 PM
I'm not jealous. I'm sure you tacked it onto some dead Muslims face. :P  :homestar:
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Alcibiades on February 07, 2010, 10:04:00 PM
:mellow:
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: Viking on February 07, 2010, 09:59:33 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:15:50 PM
Wow, I'm drinking beer with my M4 right next to me.

I need to take a picture of this.

Drinking and Shooting probably isn't good for bystanders.

Shut up biatch, and introduce me to that hott indian girl friend of yours.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Viking on February 07, 2010, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 07, 2010, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: Viking on February 07, 2010, 09:59:33 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 07, 2010, 08:15:50 PM
Wow, I'm drinking beer with my M4 right next to me.

I need to take a picture of this.

Drinking and Shooting probably isn't good for bystanders.

Shut up biatch, and introduce me to that hott indian girl friend of yours.

look in the biggus dickus thread
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 10:15:45 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 07, 2010, 10:04:00 PM
:mellow:

What? You didn;t have beer issued to you in Irak?

Or is it that i am drinking underage joes' beer?

Are you a joe lover?

I really hate brand new joes.
They don't know shit, and think they know everything.
They join up either to go to college or to "kill somebody".
Mothefuckers have not fucking idea what the fuck war is about.
They think it is about killing, and don;t realize that it is about dying, and doing stupid fucked up missions officers fart out.

They come to me like "Hey sergeant, I heard you killed a lot of hajjis last deployment."
And I'm like "And I will fucking kill you too, mothefucker, if you don't fucking do whatever the fuck I tell you to fucking do, fucker."

Very professional.  :lol:
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on February 07, 2010, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 07, 2010, 09:55:29 PM
Drunk Siegy is so awesome.

Yeah pretty much.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: garbon on February 07, 2010, 10:27:37 PM
-_-
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Sheilbh on February 07, 2010, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on February 07, 2010, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 07, 2010, 09:55:29 PM
Drunk Siegy is so awesome.

Yeah pretty much.
'I don't know what effect these men will have on the enemy, but by God, they terrify me.'
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 10:31:48 PM
Ok, I am officially drun.
OK, I'm about o pass out.

So I say goodby with my las picture taken yesterday

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Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 10:38:38 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 07, 2010, 10:04:00 PM
:mellow:

Oh, I get it.

You are just jealous that I gott a PAC 15 and a Eotech Holosight on my weapon instead of those bulky Peq 2s and M68s.
Dude, I traded my ACOG for the Eotech Holosight.

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Alcibiades on February 07, 2010, 10:43:18 PM
Acog's are better.  And Eotechs suck.

I had a SAW so I don't care. :p

You shouldn't be taking pictures and you know it.   :shutup:
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 07, 2010, 10:43:18 PM
Acog's are better.  And Eotechs suck.

I had a SAW so I don't care. :p

You shouldn't be taking pictures and you know it.   :shutup:

You had a SAW with a M145?
That sucks.

ACOGs are better for long range engagements.
What was your farthest shot last deployment?
I fired a 300m once. Everything else was under 175m.

the reason I prefer the Eotech is becaus I got to do some cross training with the SFs guys based here in Taji, and they ALL use Eotechs. They say that Eotechs are great, M68 is good, and ACOGs are for pogs. Pogs do improve a lot by using ACOGs.

And bout the pictures, fuck it. What are you afraid of? OPSEC?
I ain't giving anything away.

Or is it that you are jealous that I am still fighting hte good fight while you are home wasting your life?

Or maybe is it that I am HOTTER than you.

OK that's it. Post your deployment pictures. I know you have them.


After all, when we are old and senile, these pictures are all that are going to be left of our glory days.

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Jaron on February 07, 2010, 10:55:54 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 07, 2010, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 07, 2010, 10:43:18 PM
Acog's are better.  And Eotechs suck.

I had a SAW so I don't care. :p

You shouldn't be taking pictures and you know it.   :shutup:

You had a SAW with a M145?
That sucks.

ACOGs are better for long range engagements.
What was your farthest shot last deployment?
I fired a 300m once. Everything else was under 175m.

the reason I prefer the Eotech is becaus I got to do some cross training with the SFs guys based here in Taji, and they ALL use Eotechs. They say that Eotechs are great, M68 is good, and ACOGs are for pogs. Pogs do improve a lot by using ACOGs.

And bout the pictures, fuck it. What are you afraid of? OPSEC?
I ain't giving anything away.

Or is it that you are jealous that I am still fighting hte good fight while you are home wasting your life?

Or maybe is it that I am HOTTER than you.

OK that's it. Post your deployment pictures. I know you have them.


After all, when we are old and senile, these pictures are all that are going to be left of our glory days.


:)
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 07, 2010, 10:57:30 PM
Fuck you Jaron.

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Alcibiades on February 07, 2010, 10:59:21 PM
Lol you wish.  My farthest shot(s) was about 1500m, had to look over the sights to shoot about 60 rounds and walk them in to strafe a rooftop of a 20 story building. 

M145 is best sight for the SAW.  You should know that, NCO.
Acog's are very effective in far off engagements, and equally effective in close range.  168s are just a hassle and ineffective.

Our pogues all got 68's except for the ones who thought they were big shots.

Not supposed to be drinking in uniform, and its kinda hush hush about drinking overseas while on duty.  Though I guess you aren't doing anything over there any more.  :lol:

The 'good fight' ended when my company crushed the Mahdi Militia.

Here's my references:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFXyJck1dHI

That's my platoon ;)


And I'm better looking than you  :P 

And going to school so I can give you orders, NCO.   :P
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: DGuller on February 08, 2010, 01:39:55 AM
Yeah, I heard there was supposed to be no alcohol in Iraq.  The Muslims would be offended and shit.  Did I hear wrong?
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: The Larch on February 08, 2010, 03:51:46 AM
Quote from: Siege on February 07, 2010, 07:48:50 PMFuck stupid american football. Real football is played with a round ball.

And fuck joes that are old enough to kill and die, but not old enough to drink.

At least you have some redeeming features after all.  :P
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Josquius on February 08, 2010, 05:28:36 AM
A drinking age of 21 is indeed loopy, 18 is silly enough. It should be 16 for beer at least.

Quote from: DGuller on February 08, 2010, 01:39:55 AM
Yeah, I heard there was supposed to be no alcohol in Iraq.  The Muslims would be offended and shit.  Did I hear wrong?
I read a article not too long ago about a guy running a liquor shop there, I'm pretty sure its legal for the non-muslims there.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Zanza on February 08, 2010, 05:57:53 AM
The German soldiers in Afghanistan may drink a liter of beer every day. :cheers:
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 08, 2010, 07:17:08 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 07, 2010, 10:59:21 PM
Lol you wish.  My farthest shot(s) was about 1500m, had to look over the sights to shoot about 60 rounds and walk them in to strafe a rooftop of a 20 story building. 

M145 is best sight for the SAW.  You should know that, NCO.
Acog's are very effective in far off engagements, and equally effective in close range.  168s are just a hassle and ineffective.

Our pogues all got 68's except for the ones who thought they were big shots.

Not supposed to be drinking in uniform, and its kinda hush hush about drinking overseas while on duty.  Though I guess you aren't doing anything over there any more.  :lol:

The 'good fight' ended when my company crushed the Mahdi Militia.

Here's my references:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFXyJck1dHI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFXyJck1dHI)

That's my platoon ;)


And I'm better looking than you  :P 

And going to school so I can give you orders, NCO.   :P


1500m with a SAW?  :o

Let's see:

1- Maximum effective range of the SAW on a bipod is 600m for point targets and 800m for area targets. From a tripod, and I am 100% sure you weren't using a tripod for a SAW, is 800m for point targets and 1000m for area targets.

2- Trace burn-out is at 900m, so beyond that distance, you are not going to see shit, not even round splash, to walk the rounds into the target. Only way you gonna walk your rounds into a target at that distance is by having an sniper spotter with a 40x power scope spotting for you. So at 1500m if you "look over your sights" you ain't gonna see shit.

3- The roof of a 20 story building? I have never seen a 20 story building here in Iraq, but of course that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. So let's continue. A 20 story building is about 80m high. That's an angular shot. Though at that distance the angle would be really small. I'd say about 5 degrees. So no biggie.

4- At 1500m bullet velocity for a 5.56x45 would be dropping like hell. I have not idea how effective it would be on a target, because I have not even heard of anybody trying to shoot something at that range with 5.56mm. I guess it would be like getting hit by a very fast flying very small little rock. I doubt it would penetrate somebody's skull or go through a rib. But I don't really know.

So, in conclussion, me thinks you were firing at the air in the general direction of a tall building. Or maybe your 1500m were hobbit meters, something like 800 real meters or so? How good are you at range estimation? I'm not doubting you, just asking you.  :P

The big question though, is why didn't your platoon engage that target with the .50 cals and Mk 19s...



M145 is not better for anything. I even have one of my M240B with a Eotech. The M145 is just a heavy piece of shit mounted on the feed tray cover that slows down the reload time for my gunners. Believe me, I have tested this with an stop watch. For long range engagements we have M2 .50 cal machineguns, Mk 19 40mm automatic grenade launchers, and sniper rifles. The rest of our weapon systems have to be lethal in medium to close ranges.

ACOGs are great between 200 and 600m. Under 200m, which is where hajji fire becomes effective, the ACOG is slow to adquire target. Under 50m, the ACOG can get you killed, because how slow it is compared to an Eotech or M68.

You do realize that I use the Eotech with both eyes open, right? I just bring my weapon up until I see the red dot on my target, and squeeze. The time between target detection, target adquisition, and target engagement, is almost zero. Eotech holosights are fast as fuck. With the ACOG, on the other hand, you have to bring your weapon all the way up, get your face at the right distance from the eye relief, close one eye, adquire the target, and then engage. I can do all this pretty fast, but nowhere as fast as with an Eotech.

My point is, ACOGs are only necesary over 300m. Over that distance, hajj start shooting at us, and I walk around, give my gunners the 3 Ds, direction, distance and description, method of fire, command to fire. Now, if hajj pops out of a window and start shooting at us from 50m away, I better take that fucker out before he can shoot one of my boys. And for that, not weapon sight I have ever seen is better than the Eotech Holosight.

Now, you say the M68 is a hassle and innefective?
Are you out of your mind? Why is it a hassle? Because joe snoopy forgets to turn it on before a mission, and to turn it off after coming back inside the wire?
Innefective? How? You can drop that bitch as many times as you want and its not gonna lose its zero. Its not as good or as fast as the Eotech, because of the tubular design, but its a decent red dot sight.

Now, this is the way I play in arab lands, based in my experience. When I deploy to Afghanistan, I will re-evaluate all this because that is a very diferent war against a people that have actual marksmanship traditions. They are all muslims and shit, but their war traditions and cultural view of warfare are diferent. Arabs aint worth shit on the battlefield, Afghanis, are a diferent ball game.

And you are not better looking than me!  :mad:
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Alcibiades on February 08, 2010, 09:18:58 AM
Dude, believe it or not you can keep your eye open when you look through an acog, guess what happens.  You see the target as if you're not looking through a site, and there is a magical red dot where the target is.  Neat really.   :rolleyes:

And I would say my range estimation is pretty good and it was between 1000m and 1500m, you couldn't walk the tracers in all the way, 900m and all, but you can see the rounds kick up dust on the top of the building.  Definitely was doing that with my squad leader over my shoulder helping me adjust it as he looked through his acog.

And we're talking Baghdad here, Sadr City, not some slum village like you're used to.  So yes, about 15-20 stories.  And it was dusk, not mid-day.

We didn't have mk.19s there, and the Bradleys weren't in a position to take a shot at that time.  So as a precaution, since we kept hearing sniper fire from that direction, he had me but a few bursts at possible sitting positions.  And yeah the angle wasn't too high, but enough that I had to look over my sights to walk it in with the tracers instead of looking down my site.  Ranks within the top 3 coolest things I've ever done.

And with how prevalent snipers are, I can't see why you wouldn't choose a 145 for the even slight magnification for your gunners, eotechs provide no magnification, I feel like it's a must to be able to see tiny details from windows from so far, but I only have first hand knowledge with full on urban fighting, not villages and the like....where it would seem to be even more needed I would think.


And I'm also a fanboi of the Acog, but personally I just can't see why you wouldn't want the magnification of the Acog.  Later today, go grab one of your Joe's Acogs, look down it with both eyes open and you'll see what im talking about, it's no different than an eotech except when you close your left eye you have magnification. 


I await your rebuttal.   :mad:

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: DGuller on February 08, 2010, 10:28:23 AM
Wow, real life is almost like COD Modern Warfare 2.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Duque de Bragança on February 08, 2010, 11:14:48 AM
Quote from: Zanza on February 08, 2010, 05:57:53 AM
The German soldiers in Afghanistan may drink a liter of beer every day. :cheers:

Let's hope for them it's real beer ;)
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Syt on February 08, 2010, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on February 08, 2010, 11:14:48 AM
Quote from: Zanza on February 08, 2010, 05:57:53 AM
The German soldiers in Afghanistan may drink a liter of beer every day. :cheers:

Let's hope for them it's real beer ;)

Probably Warsteiner or Bitburger. :(
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: DGuller on February 08, 2010, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 08, 2010, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on February 08, 2010, 11:14:48 AM
Quote from: Zanza on February 08, 2010, 05:57:53 AM
The German soldiers in Afghanistan may drink a liter of beer every day. :cheers:

Let's hope for them it's real beer ;)

Probably Warsteiner or Bitburger. :(
No Pißwasser?
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: The Brain on February 08, 2010, 12:52:58 PM
I love Siege. :)
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Barrister on February 08, 2010, 01:02:35 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 08, 2010, 12:52:58 PM
I love Siege. :)

In a forum filled with memorable characters, he is certainly the most unique.   :)
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Syt on February 08, 2010, 01:11:10 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 08, 2010, 11:32:42 AM

No Pißwasser?

No. :P
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 08, 2010, 03:30:48 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on February 08, 2010, 09:18:58 AM
Dude, believe it or not you can keep your eye open when you look through an acog, guess what happens.  You see the target as if you're not looking through a site, and there is a magical red dot where the target is.  Neat really.   :rolleyes:

And I would say my range estimation is pretty good and it was between 1000m and 1500m, you couldn't walk the tracers in all the way, 900m and all, but you can see the rounds kick up dust on the top of the building.  Definitely was doing that with my squad leader over my shoulder helping me adjust it as he looked through his acog.

And we're talking Baghdad here, Sadr City, not some slum village like you're used to.  So yes, about 15-20 stories.  And it was dusk, not mid-day.

We didn't have mk.19s there, and the Bradleys weren't in a position to take a shot at that time.  So as a precaution, since we kept hearing sniper fire from that direction, he had me but a few bursts at possible sitting positions.  And yeah the angle wasn't too high, but enough that I had to look over my sights to walk it in with the tracers instead of looking down my site.  Ranks within the top 3 coolest things I've ever done.

And with how prevalent snipers are, I can't see why you wouldn't choose a 145 for the even slight magnification for your gunners, eotechs provide no magnification, I feel like it's a must to be able to see tiny details from windows from so far, but I only have first hand knowledge with full on urban fighting, not villages and the like....where it would seem to be even more needed I would think.


And I'm also a fanboi of the Acog, but personally I just can't see why you wouldn't want the magnification of the Acog.  Later today, go grab one of your Joe's Acogs, look down it with both eyes open and you'll see what im talking about, it's no different than an eotech except when you close your left eye you have magnification. 


I await your rebuttal.   :mad:




Yeah, this is getting nasty!  :lol:

QuoteDude, believe it or not you can keep your eye open when you look through an acog, guess what happens.  You see the target as if you're not looking through a site, and there is a magical red dot where the target is.  Neat really.

ACOG with both eyes opens: It doesn't work that well. Reason is, because we see with our brains, and with both eyes open, you have an eye looking at a 3.5 power magnified target, and the other looking at a plain sight. So what you are actually seing, is the plain sight target, with the red chevron magnified from the ACOG on top of the plain sight image from your unmagnified eye. What that means in practice, is that your brain is going to see the target fuzzier than looking at it with either eye alone. But my main reason against the ACOG, is that because of its tubular design, you have to bring it all the way up to your face to adquire the target, making it that much slower compared to an Eotech.

As I said, ACOGs are great between 200 and 600m. Farther than that they don't have mils to calculate elevation, shorter than that they are too slow to adquire the target.


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And I would say my range estimation is pretty good and it was between 1000m and 1500m

Really? Your range estimation is pretty good but you can't tell where between 1000 and 1500m a 20 story building is? You are using a 33% for range variable. You are only allowed 15% for the naked eye, and you had a M145. With the M145 you should be able to get your range variable within 10%. That's plus/minus a 100m for a target a 1000m away.

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Definitely was doing that with my squad leader over my shoulder helping me adjust it as he looked through his acog.


Your squad leader didn't have binos? M22 binos have 7x magnification. Beats the hell out of the 3.5 in the ACOGs. And they have actual mil-dots to range the target, not just the little 100m tick marks up to 600m that are in the ACOGs.

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So yes, about 15-20 stories.

Ok. I'm seing a clearer picture now. Most people tend to over estimate ranges, so my professional guess, based in what you have told us, is that the building was between 8 and 10 stories high, and was between 800 and 1000m away.


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And it was dusk, not mid-day.

You saw dirt kicked out by your 5.56mm rounds over a 1000m away, while looking over your sights, at dusk?

What was the direction of the sun from your position?

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So as a precaution, he had me but a few bursts at possible sitting positions.

Yeah, I miss the days when you didn't need PID to fire a couple bursts. Recon-by-fire for the win.


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since we kept hearing sniper fire from that direction,

Sniper fire or spot shots from some random hajj with a buttstock-less AK-47?
Were the bullets cracking or zipping over your position?

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And yeah the angle wasn't too high, but enough that I had to look over my sights to walk it in with the tracers instead of looking down my site.

Yeah, if you were walking the tracers that would put your building within my 800-1000m estimate, because of the 900m burn-out range for tracers.

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And with how prevalent snipers are, I can't see why you wouldn't choose a 145 for the even slight magnification for your gunners, eotechs provide no magnification, I feel like it's a must to be able to see tiny details from windows from so far, but I only have first hand knowledge with full on urban fighting, not villages and the like....where it would seem to be even more needed I would think.


Its beacuse of the way we mount the M240B on the strykers. There is no way you can fired from your shoulder, let alone bring the M145 up to your face. From the stryker mounts you have to fire with one hand on the pistol grip and one on the end of the buttstock, where your shoulder is suppossed to go. With the Eotech, you can see the red dot on the target without having to bring the gun to your face for eye relief distance. I have one M240B with the M145, and is the one gun we dismount for SKTs, foot patrols, and the sort.


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And I'm also a fanboi of the Acog, but personally I just can't see why you wouldn't want the magnification of the Acog.

And this is the real reason, isn't it? You, like far too many other infantrymen I've seen, don't like to carry binos, and use the damn ACOG as a bino to look at all kinds of shit, doesn't matter if they are a target or not. You see a couple dudes farming over there, and you look at them with your ACOG, aiming your damn weapon at them, whether they have weapons or not, whether they look suspicious or not. I don't need to tell you, this do wonders for our Hearts and Minds campaign. Lets go and aim our weapons at random people. Hey, I don't really care, but I am a professional soldier and I have been order to wage the damn Hearts and Minds campaign. So no aiming your weapon at civilians to look through your ACOG.

Me, I have a set of 10x power magnified binos, not the crappy M22 or M24 7x binos the Army issues.


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Later today, go grab one of your Joe's Acogs, look down it with both eyes open and you'll see what im talking about, it's no different than an eotech except when you close your left eye you have magnification. 


If you see any of my recent pictures, you would see that I had an ACOG until last month when I came over to this platoon and with now. Here is one below:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg46.imageshack.us%2Fimg46%2F4803%2Fdsc02690h.jpg&hash=2451f59a26623206ec3e75a5dc8f0f207641da53)



Anyway, this is all the trouble you get into for telling me to not drink in uniform and to not post pictures.  :P
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Siege on February 08, 2010, 03:37:25 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 08, 2010, 12:52:58 PM
I love Siege. :)

Fag.

Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: The Brain on February 08, 2010, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 08, 2010, 03:37:25 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 08, 2010, 12:52:58 PM
I love Siege. :)

Fag.

Sorry. I love fag. :)
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: DGuller on February 08, 2010, 03:46:24 PM
Damn, killing people sounds way more complicated and involved than I imagined.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: citizen k on February 08, 2010, 03:50:56 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 08, 2010, 03:46:24 PM
Damn, killing people sounds way more complicated and involved than I imagined.

It's the 21st century and we've been at it for thousands of years. We've got it down to a science.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: DGuller on February 08, 2010, 03:56:10 PM
Things were so much simpler when we just had human waves.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Berkut on February 08, 2010, 04:22:34 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 08, 2010, 03:56:10 PM
Things were so much simpler when we just had human waves.

I can see DG ancestors arguing about the finer points of human wave tactics just a few decades ago...

Nameless Soviet Officer #1: WTF Comrade, I see you have deployed your wave using the outmoded Wedge Relieved formation. You are: newbass.
DGsGrandad: Bite me, you stupid Georgian peasant! I have been sending thousands to their death longer than you have been pissing in Comrade Joe's boot! The relieved Wedge when facing concentrated artillery over broken ground i still the most effective formation under cloudy conditions where Fascist air support is not available!
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Alcibiades on February 08, 2010, 06:36:08 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 08, 2010, 03:30:48 PM


QuoteReally? Your range estimation is pretty good but you can't tell where between 1000 and 1500m a 20 story building is? You are using a 33% for range variable. You are only allowed 15% for the naked eye, and you had a M145. With the M145 you should be able to get your range variable within 10%. That's plus/minus a 100m for a target a 1000m away.
It was nearly 2 years ago now, giving the benefit of the doubt.

QuoteYour squad leader didn't have binos? M22 binos have 7x magnification. Beats the hell out of the 3.5 in the ACOGs. And they have actual mil-dots to range the target, not just the little 100m tick marks up to 600m that are in the ACOGs.

We arent some recon squad, heavy mechanized infantry squad.  We didn't have time to just sit on our butts and just glance down an alley like we werent being seen, we were being constantly engaged.  Look at the video, it was like that at all times of the when it would flare up as they fired 4 rpgs at once and opened up on us with PKC's for 3 hours straight.


QuoteOk. I'm seing a clearer picture now. Most people tend to over estimate ranges, so my professional guess, based in what you have told us, is that the building was between 8 and 10 stories high, and was between 800 and 1000m away.

  :rolleyes:

QuoteYou saw dirt kicked out by your 5.56mm rounds over a 1000m away, while looking over your sights, at dusk?

What was the direction of the sun from your position?


Building was north, sun set in the west, so left.  Was to the point my eyepro was off, nods mounted, but not on my face.



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Sniper fire or spot shots from some random hajj with a buttstock-less AK-47?
Were the bullets cracking or zipping over your position?

They had dragunov and actually had a Barrett .50 cal which they used to penetrate the the thick glass on the windows of route clearance and our MRAPs.  Hadj with only their Ak-47s also managed to shoot off 2 stingers at the Apaches too.

QuoteYeah, if you were walking the tracers that would put your building within my 800-1000m estimate, because of the 900m burn-out range for tracers.

It was certainly over 1000m.



QuoteAnd this is the real reason, isn't it? You, like far too many other infantrymen I've seen, don't like to carry binos, and use the damn ACOG as a bino to look at all kinds of shit, doesn't matter if they are a target or not. You see a couple dudes farming over there, and you look at them with your ACOG, aiming your damn weapon at them, whether they have weapons or not, whether they look suspicious or not. I don't need to tell you, this do wonders for our Hearts and Minds campaign. Lets go and aim our weapons at random people. Hey, I don't really care, but I am a professional soldier and I have been order to wage the damn Hearts and Minds campaign. So no aiming your weapon at civilians to look through your ACOG.

No time to whip out binos every 5 seconds to scan windows and far away crevices, much more efficient to use your acog as a bino and if its a hostile entity, oh hey guess what youre looking through your weapon sights already.  Enemy won't always be Hadj who will give you time to shoot at him.  And security comes first, they all have guns, hell a lot of them have probably fired them at us, I think they're fine being scanned with my machine gun, as long as I don't shoot.  Safety comes first, Hadj second.  Sucks for you if your chain of command doesn't see it that way.  Where abouts roughly you stationed any way, they let you patrol any more or you just sit on a fob?

QuoteAnyway, this is all the trouble you get into for telling me to not drink in uniform and to not post pictures.  :P

Not supposed to be drinking while deployed, your on duty 24/7 and should be available to leave the wire at a moments notice hence why pictures are even worse, be a professional. ;)  Not to mentioned you requisitioned more than your allotted amount.  :contract:
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Grey Fox on February 08, 2010, 08:43:23 PM
Siegy is unbelievable.

The guy doesn't understand sarcasm but can do math and analyze a freaking rifle sight in 10mins.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 08, 2010, 08:52:42 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 08, 2010, 08:43:23 PM
Siegy is unbelievable.

The guy doesn't understand sarcasm but can do math and analyze a freaking rifle sight in 10mins.
Sniper school. :contract:
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: The Brain on February 09, 2010, 02:50:00 AM
Nice military foreplay between Siege and Alci.
Title: Re: Free beer in Iraq to watch the superbowl
Post by: Duque de Bragança on February 09, 2010, 03:37:32 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 08, 2010, 11:15:20 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on February 08, 2010, 11:14:48 AM
Quote from: Zanza on February 08, 2010, 05:57:53 AM
The German soldiers in Afghanistan may drink a liter of beer every day. :cheers:

Let's hope for them it's real beer ;)

Probably Warsteiner or Bitburger. :(

Is Weißbier more haram than the above mentioned two ?  :osama: