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Poll
Question: Assume you walk into into Starbucks and want to take a seat. Would you:
Option 1: take a free seat at an otherwise occupied table. votes: 1
Option 2: take a free seat at an otherwise occupied table, but only if there were no free tables. votes: 17
Option 3: take a free seat only at an unoccupied table or at the bar. votes: 19
Option 4: Sit next to them, and make silent farts.  Then walk away. votes: 1
Title: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Martinus on January 03, 2010, 06:16:32 AM
Ok, maybe it's me but I have encountered people - usually foreigners - who would attempt to take a seat at my table while there are other free tables, since I am alone and thus apparently would not mind to have someone at my table.

WTF is with that? How rude.  :mad:

So this question is aimed at determining whether we have people like this on this board too. :P
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Martinus on January 03, 2010, 06:18:08 AM
I used Starbucks as an example of the type of establishment I mean - which is somewhere between McDonald's and a restaurant.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Caliga on January 03, 2010, 06:19:44 AM
In America virtually nobody is going to take a free seat at a table with a complete stranger.  I think here we'd assume such a person was mentally ill.  My understanding is that in some countries, people do that all the time though and it's cool.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Martinus on January 03, 2010, 06:20:30 AM
Quote from: Caliga on January 03, 2010, 06:19:44 AM
In America virtually nobody is going to take a free seat at a table with a complete stranger.  I think here we'd assume such a person was mentally ill.  My understanding is that in some countries, people do that all the time though and it's cool.

Another proof that Poland is like America. :P

We are religious, like individualism and the entrepreneurial spirit, tend towards mild libertarianism, distrust the government and dislike strangers. :P
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: syk on January 03, 2010, 06:21:49 AM
People usually wouldn't sit down at an occupied table here either. Maybe if the place was full and there are only free chairs at occupied tables.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Caliga on January 03, 2010, 06:23:07 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 03, 2010, 06:20:30 AM
We are religious, like individualism and the entrepreneurial spirit, tend towards mild libertarianism, distrust the government and dislike strangers. :P
Interesting.  One thing we do not do in America, however, is put screen doors on submarines.  :)
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Martinus on January 03, 2010, 06:24:05 AM
Quote from: Caliga on January 03, 2010, 06:23:07 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 03, 2010, 06:20:30 AM
We are religious, like individualism and the entrepreneurial spirit, tend towards mild libertarianism, distrust the government and dislike strangers. :P
Interesting.  One thing we do not do in America, however, is put screen doors on submarines.  :)

But you lynch the blacks. :P
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 06:24:19 AM
People who hang out at tables in coffee shops are attention whores anyway, so fuck 'em.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: The Brain on January 03, 2010, 06:27:36 AM
Only the insane choose an occupied table over an unoccupied one.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on January 03, 2010, 06:29:30 AM
Weird behaviour by English standards too. What nationality are these foreigners you mention?

Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Martinus on January 03, 2010, 06:30:46 AM
Not sure. The guy looks Scandinavian to me. He is about 50-60, with a laptop and looks like some crazy hippy backpacker person.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: The Brain on January 03, 2010, 06:31:30 AM
He's probably gay.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Martinus on January 03, 2010, 06:33:32 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 03, 2010, 06:31:30 AM
He's probably gay.

Think he was hitting on me? Well, that would explain it.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: The Brain on January 03, 2010, 06:35:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 03, 2010, 06:33:32 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 03, 2010, 06:31:30 AM
He's probably gay.

Think he was hitting on me? Well, that would explain it.

Told you he was insane.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2010, 06:37:12 AM
Quote from: Caliga on January 03, 2010, 06:19:44 AM
In America virtually nobody is going to take a free seat at a table with a complete stranger.  I think here we'd assume such a person was mentally ill.  My understanding is that in some countries, people do that all the time though and it's cool.
Well, if there were no unoccupied tables, I would, but I would ask the person already at the table if I they minded first.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 03, 2010, 06:42:43 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 03, 2010, 06:24:05 AM
But you lynch the blacks. :P

:secret:

He was insulting Polish intelligence there.

(Been looking for an excuse to use that smilie.  :D)
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Sheilbh on January 03, 2010, 07:01:32 AM
If there's no free tables left I will - though I ask first.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: DisturbedPervert on January 03, 2010, 07:10:27 AM
If there are no free tables I'd go somewhere else or get takeaway.   Don't really want to sit in a starbucks anyway.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Viking on January 03, 2010, 07:28:35 AM
meh....

Don't drink coffee and I hate people I don't know.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 07:56:19 AM
Quote from: syk on January 03, 2010, 06:21:49 AM
People usually wouldn't sit down at an occupied table here either. Maybe if the place was full and there are only free chairs at occupied tables.

This.

Although I (and I think this goes for a lot of Swedes in general) will generally choose another establishment if there are no empty tables.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Gambrinus on January 03, 2010, 08:13:14 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 07:56:19 AM
Quote from: syk on January 03, 2010, 06:21:49 AM
People usually wouldn't sit down at an occupied table here either. Maybe if the place was full and there are only free chairs at occupied tables.

This.

Although I (and I think this goes for a lot of Swedes in general) will generally choose another establishment if there are no empty tables.
If there is a similar one in the vicinity. Btw, the same goes for an establishment with only empty tables.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Josquius on January 03, 2010, 08:19:35 AM
You sit at a table you own the table. Nobody else can sit there.
Even to ask you if they can sit there is very weird and only to be done in the most dire of circumstances. To do it without asking is insanity.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Iormlund on January 03, 2010, 08:25:33 AM
Only if there is no empty table. And I would ask as well.

That been said, I do find weird how reserved you guys are in most circumstances. Guess it's the lack of sunshine.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 08:27:55 AM
I'm amused by the fuckers wanting the ketchup bottle on the table. FUCK YOU, YOU WHORE. Ask the shitty staff, bitch.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 08:31:18 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on January 03, 2010, 08:25:33 AM
Only if there is no empty table. And I would ask as well.

That been said, I do find weird how reserved you guys are in most circumstances. Guess it's the lack of sunshine.

The personal sphere is a lot more powerful here than in a lot of other countries, it's just how we roll.

I think it's a general population density cultural thing more than anything else.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Sheilbh on January 03, 2010, 08:38:52 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on January 03, 2010, 08:25:33 AM
Only if there is no empty table. And I would ask as well.

That been said, I do find weird how reserved you guys are in most circumstances. Guess it's the lack of sunshine.
I'm English and I agree it's weird.  If there's no empty table, you ask and you sit.  There's no point going to another cafe.

It also depends on the place.  In some places you're going to have to sit next to people - for example some caffs or places with just benches - in which case no need to ask.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: merithyn on January 03, 2010, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 03, 2010, 08:38:52 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on January 03, 2010, 08:25:33 AM
Only if there is no empty table. And I would ask as well.

That been said, I do find weird how reserved you guys are in most circumstances. Guess it's the lack of sunshine.
I'm English and I agree it's weird.  If there's no empty table, you ask and you sit.  There's no point going to another cafe.

It also depends on the place.  In some places you're going to have to sit next to people - for example some caffs or places with just benches - in which case no need to ask.

I'm American, and I agree, as well. If the place is packed and there is nowhere else to sit, I ask if I can join someone at a table that has room. I don't generally engage them in conversation unless they seem interested in it, though. Generally, I just eat my food/drink my coffee/read my book.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Monoriu on January 03, 2010, 10:55:52 AM
The generally accepted rule in HK is -

If there are empty tables, take them first.
If all the tables are occupied, AND the place looks like the kind of place where sharing of tables is allowed (e.g. food court, cheap place, the waiters direct people to share tables, Starbucks etc), ask politely if the empty seats are "available". 
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Mr.Penguin on January 03, 2010, 12:32:33 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 03, 2010, 10:55:52 AM
The generally accepted rule in HK is -

If there are empty tables, take them first.
If all the tables are occupied, AND the place looks like the kind of place where sharing of tables is allowed (e.g. food court, cheap place, the waiters direct people to share tables, Starbucks etc), ask politely if the empty seats are "available".

I think that is pretty much standard, just about anywhere in the civilized world...
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: citizen k on January 03, 2010, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on January 03, 2010, 12:32:33 PM
I think that is pretty much standard, just about anywhere in the civilized world...

Marty is still learning.  ;)

Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 05:08:14 PM
Quote from: citizen k on January 03, 2010, 03:58:25 PM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on January 03, 2010, 12:32:33 PM
I think that is pretty much standard, just about anywhere in the civilized world...

Marty is still learning.  ;)

Marty's one of those pretentious bitches that wants to be "seen" at a coffee shop, doing cool stuff like surfing HRW websites. 
Fuck him, sit right next to his ass.  And make silent farts.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Camerus on January 03, 2010, 06:48:03 PM
Coffee shops are good places for doing homework or personal study, as it's more fun than staying at home or going to the library.  Which means I almost never want to be disturbed there, so I will choose another place if there is no free table.  If a stranger sits down at my table, I will feel vaguely awkward and hope he doesn't try to bother me.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 06:50:13 PM
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on January 03, 2010, 06:48:03 PM
Coffee shops are good places for doing homework or personal study,

Then you're a retarded attention whore, too.  Go to a fucking library.

Studying in a fucking retail store.  No wonder undergraduate grade inflation is necessary.  Idiots.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 06:50:13 PM
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on January 03, 2010, 06:48:03 PM
Coffee shops are good places for doing homework or personal study,

Then you're a retarded attention whore, too.  Go to a fucking library.

Studying in a fucking retail store.  No wonder undergraduate grade inflation is necessary.  Idiots.

Ever been shushed by those twerps? I have. I talk louder.

Kollege kids are funny.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Camerus on January 03, 2010, 06:58:21 PM
And here comes the Angry Old Man Brigade.   :P
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on January 03, 2010, 06:58:21 PM
And here comes the Angry Old Man Brigade.   :P

I call it the Bitter White Man brigade. Just need to add Neil for the trifecta.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: DisturbedPervert on January 03, 2010, 07:02:40 PM
Never studied in a coffee shop or library before, unless I needed a specific book they wouldn't lend out.  Bars on the other hand...
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: DontSayBanana on January 03, 2010, 07:06:15 PM
Coffee shops tend to be high-volume places.  I refuse to bring my laptop on principle because it pisses me off no end to see people sitting and taking up tables with cold sludge in their cups while they read through the last 35 posts of their favorite bloggers when I've got hot stuff in my hands.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on January 03, 2010, 06:58:21 PM
And here comes the Angry Old Man Brigade.   :P

I call it the Bitter White Man brigade. Just need to add Neil for the trifecta.

Angry you can't be one of us with that natural tan of yours?
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:16:05 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on January 03, 2010, 06:58:21 PM
And here comes the Angry Old Man Brigade.   :P

I call it the Bitter White Man brigade. Just need to add Neil for the trifecta.

Angry you can't be one of us with that natural tan of yours?

Not at all :P
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 07:26:28 PM
I feel your anger.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:12:11 PM
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on January 03, 2010, 06:58:21 PM
And here comes the Angry Old Man Brigade.   :P

Yeah, whatever Mister LULZ I LIKE TO DO HOMEWORK IN TRAIN STATIONS AT RUSH HOUR
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: HVC on January 03, 2010, 10:36:13 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 06:50:13 PM
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on January 03, 2010, 06:48:03 PM
Coffee shops are good places for doing homework or personal study,

Then you're a retarded attention whore, too.  Go to a fucking library.

Studying in a fucking retail store.  No wonder undergraduate grade inflation is necessary.  Idiots.

Ever been shushed by those twerps? I have. I talk louder.

Kollege kids are funny.
I did once. we moved to a closer table and talked louder.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 10:37:22 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 06:56:22 PM
Ever been shushed by those twerps? I have. I talk louder.

Kollege kids are funny.

I don't think I've ever been shushed by anybody in public.
Maybe it's the hint of my shoulder holster.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Caliga on January 04, 2010, 08:12:18 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 03, 2010, 07:02:40 PM
Never studied in a coffee shop or library before, unless I needed a specific book they wouldn't lend out.  Bars on the other hand...
It's less about actually studying and more about "OMG LOOK AT ME IM SO IMPORTENT AND GENIOUS" attention whoring. :contract:
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on January 04, 2010, 08:27:38 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 03, 2010, 07:06:15 PM
Coffee shops tend to be high-volume places.  I refuse to bring my laptop on principle because it pisses me off no end to see people sitting and taking up tables with cold sludge in their cups while they read through the last 35 posts of their favorite bloggers when I've got hot stuff in my hands.

That's when you "accidentally" trip and spill your coffee all over them and their laptop.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Sheilbh on January 04, 2010, 08:30:09 AM
Quote from: Caliga on January 04, 2010, 08:12:18 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 03, 2010, 07:02:40 PM
Never studied in a coffee shop or library before, unless I needed a specific book they wouldn't lend out.  Bars on the other hand...
It's less about actually studying and more about "OMG LOOK AT ME IM SO IMPORTENT AND GENIOUS" attention whoring. :contract:
Actually it wasn't for me.  I'd always go to a coffee shop to make notes and read or re-read articles/books etc and to draft essays.  I just found it easier to work in a slightly more active atmosphere.  Similarly even when I'm not studying I get my best reading done in cafes.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Camerus on January 04, 2010, 08:47:20 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 04, 2010, 08:30:09 AM
Quote from: Caliga on January 04, 2010, 08:12:18 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 03, 2010, 07:02:40 PM
Never studied in a coffee shop or library before, unless I needed a specific book they wouldn't lend out.  Bars on the other hand...
It's less about actually studying and more about "OMG LOOK AT ME IM SO IMPORTENT AND GENIOUS" attention whoring. :contract:
Actually it wasn't for me.  I'd always go to a coffee shop to make notes and read or re-read articles/books etc and to draft essays.  I just found it easier to work in a slightly more active atmosphere.  Similarly even when I'm not studying I get my best reading done in cafes.

:yes:
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Brazen on January 04, 2010, 08:54:33 AM
No "I don't go to coffee shops" option. What a waste of time and money. Should I be forced to, I'd do the British thing and sit at the mathematically furthest point from any other individual possible.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 04, 2010, 09:30:20 AM
Quote from: Brazen on January 04, 2010, 08:54:33 AM
No "I don't go to coffee shops" option. What a waste of time and money. Should I be forced to, I'd do the British thing and sit at the mathematically furthest point from any other individual possible.

That is my policy in any type of public space.
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: Martinus on January 04, 2010, 09:47:20 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 04, 2010, 08:30:09 AM
Quote from: Caliga on January 04, 2010, 08:12:18 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 03, 2010, 07:02:40 PM
Never studied in a coffee shop or library before, unless I needed a specific book they wouldn't lend out.  Bars on the other hand...
It's less about actually studying and more about "OMG LOOK AT ME IM SO IMPORTENT AND GENIOUS" attention whoring. :contract:
Actually it wasn't for me.  I'd always go to a coffee shop to make notes and read or re-read articles/books etc and to draft essays.  I just found it easier to work in a slightly more active atmosphere.  Similarly even when I'm not studying I get my best reading done in cafes.

Same. When I was studying for my bar exam (no pun intended :P), I studied mainly in coffee shops and parks.

And yes, you can make jokes about the quality of my legal training. :P
Title: Re: Starbucks tables - taking a free chair
Post by: The Brain on January 04, 2010, 09:48:45 AM
I thought you graduated from the school of hard cocks?