Ok, I wish people really learned this shit, since I'm tired of getting a bottle of wine as a gift only to find it has become undrinkable.
People seem to think that every kind of wine gets better the longer it stays in a bottle. It doesn't. Get the memo. :rolleyes:
Depends on the wine troglodyte
Quote from: The Brain on December 25, 2009, 09:36:28 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:35:13 AM
Depends on the wine troglodyte
Elaborate.
Reds can be "aged" better than whites for one. Also depends on how the bottle has been kept will help in determine how well it holds up.
Quote from: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:42:39 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 25, 2009, 09:36:28 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:35:13 AM
Depends on the wine troglodyte
Elaborate.
Reds can be "aged" better than whites for one. Also depends on how the bottle has been kept will help in determine how well it holds up.
Imbecile. I want to know why when Mart said that not every wine ages well you had to point out that it depends on the wine. What's up with that?
Quote from: The Brain on December 25, 2009, 09:45:41 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:42:39 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 25, 2009, 09:36:28 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:35:13 AM
Depends on the wine troglodyte
Elaborate.
Reds can be "aged" better than whites for one. Also depends on how the bottle has been kept will help in determine how well it holds up.
Imbecile. I want to know why when Mart said that not every wine ages well you had to point out that it depends on the wine. What's up with that?
:blush:
It's what I get for reading the board at 4am :lol: er 5am
Quote from: Martinus on December 25, 2009, 09:21:06 AM
Ok, I wish people really learned this shit, since I'm tired of getting a bottle of wine as a gift only to find it has become undrinkable.
People seem to think that every kind of wine gets better the longer it stays in a bottle. It doesn't. Get the memo. :rolleyes:
The assumption that they are giving you soured wine
by accident is unwarranted.
Quote from: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:46:54 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 25, 2009, 09:45:41 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:42:39 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 25, 2009, 09:36:28 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:35:13 AM
Depends on the wine troglodyte
Elaborate.
Reds can be "aged" better than whites for one. Also depends on how the bottle has been kept will help in determine how well it holds up.
Imbecile. I want to know why when Mart said that not every wine ages well you had to point out that it depends on the wine. What's up with that?
:blush:
It's what I get for reading the board at 4am :lol: er 5am
PAWNED by my homeboi, Brain. :P
Quote from: grumbler on December 25, 2009, 10:13:43 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 25, 2009, 09:21:06 AM
Ok, I wish people really learned this shit, since I'm tired of getting a bottle of wine as a gift only to find it has become undrinkable.
People seem to think that every kind of wine gets better the longer it stays in a bottle. It doesn't. Get the memo. :rolleyes:
The assumption that they are giving you soured wine by accident is unwarranted.
:lol:
So who gave you some crappy old wine and how did they think it was a good idea?
My level of upset-ness over this is directly related to the fact that this was my last bottle of wine (I have some gin left, so I guess I will be reduced to drinking gin and tonic now) and shops won't open until Sunday. <_<
Quote from: Tyr on December 25, 2009, 10:46:42 AM
So who gave you some crappy old wine and how did they think it was a good idea?
Some distant friend of mine and his wife, I invited to my birthday. Serves me right for consorting with breeders.
Well, if they had bought it a long time before giving it to you, that's just stupid on their part--or cheap, as in they decided they didn't want it, so they gave it to you in lieu of actually spending any money on you. OTOH, if they had just bought it, it's the fault of the place they bought it from, which really should know how to properly store their merchandise and how long it stays good.
At least you didn't get a smelly candle.
Quote from: dps on December 25, 2009, 10:54:28 AM
Well, if they had bought it a long time before giving it to you, that's just stupid on their part--or cheap, as in they decided they didn't want it, so they gave it to you in lieu of actually spending any money on you. OTOH, if they had just bought it, it's the fault of the place they bought it from, which really should know how to properly store their merchandise and how long it stays good.
I suppose it's a former. Could be they also got it as a gift some time ago, and re-gifted thinking "it got better with age. It's wine after all". :rolleyes:
Quote from: grumbler on December 25, 2009, 10:13:43 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 25, 2009, 09:21:06 AM
Ok, I wish people really learned this shit, since I'm tired of getting a bottle of wine as a gift only to find it has become undrinkable.
People seem to think that every kind of wine gets better the longer it stays in a bottle. It doesn't. Get the memo. :rolleyes:
The assumption that they are giving you soured wine by accident is unwarranted.
:lol:
Marty is such a philistine that they are sending him vinegar and hoping he doesn't notice the difference.
Or maybe they paid no attention whatsoever to the age, grabbed a bottle off the shelf, and ran. I've done that numerous times when going to a party. Most wines would be okay to do that with. Some, obviously, aren't. You simply got unlucky.
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Quote from: merithyn on December 25, 2009, 11:03:04 AM
Or maybe they paid no attention whatsoever to the age, grabbed a bottle off the shelf, and ran. I've done that numerous times when going to a party. Most wines would be okay to do that with. Some, obviously, aren't. You simply got unlucky.
So what wine is what?
White has to be new and has a sell by date and red is the one that ages?
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Quote from: Tyr on December 25, 2009, 11:06:18 AM
So what wine is what?
White has to be new and has a sell by date and red is the one that ages?
Lovely article on aging wine (http://www.winetrail.com/agingwine.html)
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Quote from: merithyn on December 25, 2009, 11:08:41 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 25, 2009, 11:06:18 AM
So what wine is what?
White has to be new and has a sell by date and red is the one that ages?
Lovely article on aging wine (http://www.winetrail.com/agingwine.html)
Makes me wonder if any of those wines bought for thousands turned out to have gone bad.
Meri wins the bum wine knowledge contest. Congrats!
Especially as it seems Ripple isn't around anymore. :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 25, 2009, 11:15:44 AM
Meri wins the bum wine knowledge contest. Congrats!
:showoff: www.ghettowine.com (http://www.ghettowine.com)
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Especially as it seems Ripple isn't around anymore. :(
Say what??? :blink:
Quote from: merithyn on December 25, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
Say what??? :blink:
Ripple seems to have passed on into history. :cry2:
Memories:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciR7Fq2tqJ0
:cry2:
Quote from: Martinus on December 25, 2009, 10:17:56 AM
PAWNED by my homeboi, Brain. :P
Poor Brain, claimed by Marcin :nelson:
It's Christmas Marti. Never look a gift hose in the mouth, and it's the thought that counts.
Quote from: Tyr on December 25, 2009, 11:10:46 AM
Makes me wonder if any of those wines bought for thousands turned out to have gone bad.
Of course some have. It's why you admired the bottle and not taste it. :homestar:
Quote from: Strix on December 25, 2009, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on December 25, 2009, 11:10:46 AM
Makes me wonder if any of those wines bought for thousands turned out to have gone bad.
Of course some have. It's why you admired the bottle and not taste it. :homestar:
:homestar: ?
Anyway STFU Marcin. You are too unsophisticated to enjoy fine wine in the first place. I could hand you a bottle of Chateau d'Yquiem and a bottle of horse piss and you couldn't tell the difference.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 25, 2009, 11:04:34 AM
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:x You had to go there. As far as I know, CCR is the only one of us who can stomach NTE, and IIRC, even he's reluctant to.
Anyway, I thought the rule of thumb was that reds age while whites should be drunk within five years. :unsure:
Quote from: DontSayBanana on December 26, 2009, 10:16:36 AM
Anyway, I thought the rule of thumb was that reds age while whites should be drunk within five years. :unsure:
Nope. That's not true. Most wines, including the reds, have a "window of consumption" during which they are supposed to be drunk. This does not always work as "Best Before Date" - it could be something like "drink between 3 and 6 years from bottling", meaning they do need to age a bit before drinking. There are websites where you can input your wine parametres, and they will tell you when it is supposed to be consumed (these days most bottles in shops also have the information on the label).
And some guidelines for wine kinds:
Botrytized wines (5–25 yrs)
Chardonnay (2–6 yrs)
Riesling (2–30 yrs)
Hungarian Furmint (3–25 yrs)
Loire Valley Chenin blanc (4–30 yrs)
Hunter Valley Semillon (6–15 yrs)
Cabernet Sauvignon (4–20 yrs)
Merlot (2–10 yrs)
Nebbiolo (4–20 yrs)
Pinot noir (2–8 yrs)
Sangiovese (2–8 yrs)
Syrah (4–16 yrs)
Zinfandel (2–6 yrs)
Classified Bordeaux (8–25 yrs)
Grand Cru Burgundy (8–25 yrs)
Aglianico from Taurasi (4–15 yrs)
Baga from Bairrada (4–8 yrs)
Hungarian Kadarka (3–7 yrs)
Bulgarian Melnik (3–7 yrs)
Croatian Plavac Mali (4–8 yrs)
Russian Saperavi (3–10 yrs)
Madiran Tannat (4–12 yrs)
Spanish Tempranillo (2–8 yrs)
Greek Xynomavro (4–10 yrs)
Wiki to the rescue!
QuoteDespite the well known saying that "All wine improves with age", only a few wines will actually have the ability to significantly improve with age. Master of Wine Jancis Robinson notes that only around the top 10% of all red wine and top 5% of all white wines can improve significantly enough with age to make drinking more enjoyable at 5 years of age than at 1 year of age. Additionally, Robinson estimates, only the top 1% of all wine has the ability to improve significantly after more than a decade. It is her belief that more wine is consumed too old, rather than too young, and that the great majority of wines start to lose appeal and fruitiness after 6 months in the bottle.[2]
In general, wines with a low pH (such as Pinot noir and Sangiovese) have a greater capability of aging. With red wines, a high level of flavor compounds, such as phenolics (most notably tannins), will increase the likelihood that a wine will be able to age. Wines with high levels of phenols include Cabernet Sauvignon, Nebbiolo and Syrah.[1] The white wines with the longest aging potential tends to be those with a high amount of extract and acidity. The acidity in white wines plays a similar role that tannins have with red wines in acting as a preservative. The process of making white wines, which include little to no skin contact, means that white wines have a significantly fewer amounts of phenolic compounds (though barrel fermentation and oak aging can impart some phenols). Similarly, the minimal skin contact with rosé wine limits their aging potential.[2]
After aging at the winery most wood-aged Ports, Sherries, Vins doux naturels, Vins de liqueur, basic level Ice wines and sparkling wines are bottled when the producer feels that they are ready to be consumed. These wines are ready to drink upon release and will not benefit much from aging. Vintage Ports and other bottled-aged Ports & Sherries will benefit from some additional aging, as can vintage Champagne.[1] In 2009, a 184-year-old bottle of Perrier-Jouët was opened and tasted, still drinkable, with notes of "truffles and caramel", according to the experts.[3]
Another good rule of thumb is that wine is usually sold at the height of its flavor by wine stores. Unless specifically told by someone with a good bit of knowledge, wine is best drunk within six months to a year of buying it at the store.
Quote from: merithyn on December 26, 2009, 11:04:21 AM
Another good rule of thumb is that wine is usually sold at the height of its flavor by wine stores. Unless specifically told by someone with a good bit of knowledge, wine is best drunk within six months to a year of buying it at the store.
Yuppers.