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By Pascal Fletcher
MIAMI (Reuters) - A "relaxing, calm, beautiful place" may not be everyone's description of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where the United States holds about 240 prisoners in a detention centre that has drawn condemnation from around the world.
But this was the opinion of reigning Miss Universe Dayana Mendoza of Venezuela, who visited the U.S. naval facility in eastern Cuba this month on a trip organized by the United Service Organizations (USO) which supports U.S. troops.
The Guantanamo Bay base, whose presence Cuba's government has contested as illegal for years, is used by U.S. authorities as a prison camp for foreign terrorism suspects. Critics have condemned it as a symbol of abuses in Washington's war on terrorism launched after the September 11, 2001, attacks.
Caracas-born Mendoza, 22, who visited the facility March 20-25 along with Miss USA Crystle Stewart, 27, enthused about her Guantanamo trip as an "incredible experience" in a blog entry posted on the Miss Universe website dated March 27, 2009.
"It was a loooot of fun!," Mendoza wrote, describing how she and Stewart met U.S. military personnel and took rides around the camp, which is encircled by a barbed-wire fenced, minefields and watchtowers. She said they also visited a bar on the base and the "unbelievable" beach there.
"We visited the Detainees camps and we saw the jails, where they shower, how the(y) recreate themselves with movies, classes of art, books. It was very interesting," she wrote.
"I didn't want to leave, it was such a relaxing place, so calm and beautiful," she added.
Former detainees and human rights groups have alleged the use of torture, including "waterboarding" (simulated drowning) and other physical abuses, at the Guantanamo prison. + More.
I'd waterboard her.
I'll be here all week. Try the veal. Be sure to tip your waitress.
Crystle? That's fucking retarded.
GOD DAMN AMERICA.
:unsure:
What? It's Cuba. :swiss:
Oh dear God why would the military do such a ridiculous thing?
Clearly not a Chavez-supporter, or incredibly stupid ("or" in the logical sense that both is also allowed)
Quote from: Jos Theelen on April 01, 2009, 08:37:15 AM
Clearly not a Chavez-supporter, or incredibly stupid ("or" in the logical sense that both is also allowed)
She probably is simply clueless about how embarrasing this is for her.
It is pretty embarrasing for us as well. The military should be ashamed hosting this circus.
Quote from: Valmy on April 01, 2009, 08:42:38 AMIt is pretty embarrasing for us as well. The military should be ashamed hosting this circus.
Why? Great advertising. "Join the army, see miss w.., I mean the world". Perfect for most teenage boys.
Quote from: Jos Theelen on April 01, 2009, 08:49:56 AM
Why? Great advertising. "Join the army, see miss w.., I mean the world". Perfect for most teenage boys.
I assure you teenage boys of a sort considering a military career do not give a rats ass about beauty pageant winners.
Maybe if she was a famous actress or music star or something that might get their attention.
Quote from: Jos Theelen on April 01, 2009, 08:49:56 AM
Why? Great advertising. "Join the army, see miss w.., I mean the world". Perfect for most teenage boys.
Presumably he means this particular military base, not the entire principle of transporting bimbos to the military, which has a long tradition.
Or not. :huh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2009, 08:53:08 AM
Presumably he means this particular military base, not the entire principle of transporting bimbos to the military, which has a long tradition.
Or not. :huh:
Well yes. It might help if it was a base that soldiers would be more likely to be stationed at. :P
But Guatanamo has such a dark reputation doing this is just embarrasing.
In other news, Miss Hooters 2009 is the keynote speaker at the IED Disarmament Convention, Miss America is assisting in an open-heart surgery, and Miss Succotash Queen from Illinois Normal has been elected head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
Miss Norway will hand out the Noble Piss Prize.
Quote from: Norgy on April 01, 2009, 09:06:14 AM
Miss Norway will hand out the Noble Piss Prize.
Always in competition with the Germans...
Quote from: PDH on April 01, 2009, 08:58:42 AM
Miss Succotash Queen from Illinois Normal has been elected head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
Say what you will about her personal life, but her record on the issues is solid, IMO.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 01, 2009, 09:11:38 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 01, 2009, 08:58:42 AM
Miss Succotash Queen from Illinois Normal has been elected head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
Say what you will about her personal life, but her record on the issues is solid, IMO.
She did marry a surgeon...
Well, having once been an hostage herself probably gives her a slightly different perspective than the detached-from-reality views of the left.
You get free Froot Loops at Club Gitmo. Lucky bastards :(
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 01, 2009, 01:30:04 PM
Well, having once been an hostage herself probably gives her a slightly different perspective than the detached-from-reality views of the left.
Well even if Guatanamo is a paradise on earth, everybody will assume this was some sort of Potemkin village stunt.
since hans was never a hostage can I conclude he is detached from reality?
Quote from: saskganesh on April 01, 2009, 01:47:36 PM
since hans was never a hostage can I conclude he is detached from reality?
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Valmy on April 01, 2009, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: Jos Theelen on April 01, 2009, 08:49:56 AM
Why? Great advertising. "Join the army, see miss w.., I mean the world". Perfect for most teenage boys.
I assure you teenage boys of a sort considering a military career do not give a rats ass about beauty pageant winners.
:huh:
Pageants, no. Pageant winners, yes.
Quote from: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on April 01, 2009, 01:53:26 PM
:huh:
Pageants, no. Pageant winners, yes.
QFT. In my ROTC camps, after being away from civilian wimmenz for 6 weeks, a plain, average woman looked damned good. I'd have to think that for active duty servicemen overseas, seeing a beauty pageant winner is many orders of magnitude more mind-blowing.
Quote from: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on April 01, 2009, 01:53:26 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 01, 2009, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: Jos Theelen on April 01, 2009, 08:49:56 AM
Why? Great advertising. "Join the army, see miss w.., I mean the world". Perfect for most teenage boys.
I assure you teenage boys of a sort considering a military career do not give a rats ass about beauty pageant winners.
:huh:
Pageants, no. Pageant winners, yes.
Reminds me of that scene from "Apocalypse Now". ;)
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 01, 2009, 01:30:04 PM
Well, having once been an hostage herself probably gives her a slightly different perspective .
Or brain damage. I wonder if the people that thought this was a good idea have the same mental malady as her?
I don't see a problem with this. :huh:
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 01, 2009, 05:20:41 PM
I don't see a problem with this. :huh:
Yeah, I very much doubt this is the first time a USO show has visited Gitmo. I don't see what the fuss is about.
Quote from: dps on April 01, 2009, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 01, 2009, 05:20:41 PM
I don't see a problem with this. :huh:
Yeah, I very much doubt this is the first time a USO show has visited Gitmo. I don't see what the fuss is about.
I can only understand the hoopla as a knee jerk reaction to the phrase 'Guantanamo Bay'.
We had a USO show with the Washington Redskins cheerleaders come out to our dusty little patrol base on my last tour. We killed people all the time, including once or twice innocents. Where's the furor?
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 01, 2009, 11:12:57 PM
I can only understand the hoopla as a knee jerk reaction to the phrase 'Guantanamo Bay'.
We had a USO show with the Washington Redskins cheerleaders come out to our dusty little patrol base on my last tour. We killed people all the time, including once or twice innocents. Where's the furor?
Hail to the Redskins!
Quote from: Valmy on April 01, 2009, 11:17:49 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 01, 2009, 11:12:57 PM
I can only understand the hoopla as a knee jerk reaction to the phrase 'Guantanamo Bay'.
We had a USO show with the Washington Redskins cheerleaders come out to our dusty little patrol base on my last tour. We killed people all the time, including once or twice innocents. Where's the furor?
Hail to the Redskins!
They were just what we needed. :D
Quote from: dps on April 01, 2009, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 01, 2009, 05:20:41 PM
I don't see a problem with this. :huh:
Yeah, I very much doubt this is the first time a USO show has visited Gitmo. I don't see what the fuss is about.
:yes: Gitmo isn't just a prison, people. My dad was stationed there for a bit during Vietnam. It was his second favorite posting, after one in Scotland (Inverness? Holy Loch? I forget) because he loved visiting Scotland and Norway.
Quote from: Caliga on April 02, 2009, 07:08:27 AM
Quote from: dps on April 01, 2009, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 01, 2009, 05:20:41 PM
I don't see a problem with this. :huh:
Yeah, I very much doubt this is the first time a USO show has visited Gitmo. I don't see what the fuss is about.
:yes: Gitmo isn't just a prison, people. My dad was stationed there for a bit during Vietnam. It was his second favorite posting, after one in Scotland (Inverness? Holy Loch? I forget) because he loved visiting Scotland and Norway.
Perhaps, but these days people associate Gitmo with torture etc. so this was a remarkably badly thought-through idea, in terms of public relations.
For example, Auschwitz, in addition to being a site of one of the Holocaust death camps, is also a rather nice medieval town with great architecture and probably a pleasant atmosphere. Still holding a beauty pageant there, and having the winner declare the she thinks "Auschwitz is the nicest, most friendly place on earth, where one can forget about world's evils" would not be received well, either. :P
Quote from: Caliga on April 02, 2009, 07:08:27 AM
Quote from: dps on April 01, 2009, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 01, 2009, 05:20:41 PM
I don't see a problem with this. :huh:
Yeah, I very much doubt this is the first time a USO show has visited Gitmo. I don't see what the fuss is about.
:yes: Gitmo isn't just a prison, people. My dad was stationed there for a bit during Vietnam. It was his second favorite posting, after one in Scotland (Inverness? Holy Loch? I forget) because he loved visiting Scotland and Norway.
I've been to Gitmo three times. Tiny little base in the middle of nowhere.
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2009, 07:18:47 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 02, 2009, 07:08:27 AM
Quote from: dps on April 01, 2009, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 01, 2009, 05:20:41 PM
I don't see a problem with this. :huh:
Yeah, I very much doubt this is the first time a USO show has visited Gitmo. I don't see what the fuss is about.
:yes: Gitmo isn't just a prison, people. My dad was stationed there for a bit during Vietnam. It was his second favorite posting, after one in Scotland (Inverness? Holy Loch? I forget) because he loved visiting Scotland and Norway.
Perhaps, but Gitmo constitutes quite a simple association this days so this was a remarkably badly thought-through idea, in terms of public relations.
For example, Auschwitz, in addition to being a site of one of the Holocaust death camps, is also a rather nice medieval city with great architecture and probably a pleasant atmosphere. Still holding a beauty pageant there, and having the winner declare the she think "Auschwitz is the nicest, most friendly place on earth, where one can forget about world's evils" would not be received well, either. :P
Yes, Gitmo is just like Auschwitz. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2009, 07:18:47 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 02, 2009, 07:08:27 AM
Quote from: dps on April 01, 2009, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 01, 2009, 05:20:41 PM
I don't see a problem with this. :huh:
Yeah, I very much doubt this is the first time a USO show has visited Gitmo. I don't see what the fuss is about.
:yes: Gitmo isn't just a prison, people. My dad was stationed there for a bit during Vietnam. It was his second favorite posting, after one in Scotland (Inverness? Holy Loch? I forget) because he loved visiting Scotland and Norway.
Perhaps, but these days people associate Gitmo with torture etc.
True, but why cater to peoples ignorance and stupidity?
Quote from: Berkut on April 02, 2009, 09:10:16 AM
True, but why cater to peoples ignorance and stupidity?
Because that is what is what is being portrayed by the world media these days. I do not have a problem at all with a USO show at Gitmo. What bugs me is they invited this international celebrity and made it look like we put on some show for her as a propaganda stunt. If they had just invited Miss America nobody would have cared.
But maybe I am making more of this than is probably warranted. If people out there think we are running some sort of potemkin village on Miss Universe they probably are not going to think well of us anyway.
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 02, 2009, 07:19:06 AMI've been to Gitmo three times. Tiny little base in the middle of nowhere.
:huh: I always got the impression from him that it was a pretty large base. Anyway, he said the Cubans used to sometimes harass boats coming in and out of the base in little gunboats, just to be annoying.
I'm sure auschwitz was lauded for its hot showers, industrial facilities where attendees could learn new trades, extensive onsite patient-centered medical research and of course state of the art recycling programs.
gitmo covers 45 square miles. I have no idea if that's considered small or large. its about 20 times the size of gibraltar.
Best lease ever.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2009, 09:33:34 AM
Best lease ever.
Stop talking about Hong Kong you will highjack the thread.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2009, 09:33:34 AM
Best lease ever.
I like how Castro just stuffs the annual rent payments into a desk drawer in his office. Crazy old coot.
I dunno if Raul is continuing that practice or what.
Quote from: Caliga on April 02, 2009, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2009, 09:33:34 AM
Best lease ever.
I like how Castro just stuffs the annual rent payments into a desk drawer in his office. Crazy old coot.
I dunno if Raul is continuing that practice or what.
Well, the "rent" is something like $12,000/year or something. Pretty funny, really.
We should ask if they will take Paypal.
Quote from: Berkut on April 02, 2009, 09:51:28 AM
Well, the "rent" is something like $12,000/year or something. Pretty funny, really.
We should ask if they will take Paypal.
Maybe that was alot of money back when we first started leasing it.
I always sorta wondered if maybe Fidel didn't have a bank account. ;)
The real reason of course for not cashing the checks is to protest the US 'occupation' of the Gitmo site. But since Castro did in fact cash a single rent check (before he turned commie, I guess) the US asserts he has acknowledged the lease's validity and so on that basis refuses to vacate the base.
I wonder what would happen if the Castro regime fell, and was replaced with a new regime that was similarly opposed to the US presence at Gitmo? Would we honor their wishes at that juncture?
Quote from: Caliga on April 02, 2009, 09:54:30 AM
I always sorta wondered if maybe Fidel didn't have a bank account. ;)
The real reason of course for not cashing the checks is to protest the US 'occupation' of the Gitmo site. But since Castro did in fact cash a single rent check (before he turned commie, I guess) the US asserts he has acknowledged the lease's validity and so on that basis refuses to vacate the base.
I wonder what would happen if the Castro regime fell, and was replaced with a new regime that was similarly opposed to the US presence at Gitmo? Would we honor their wishes at that juncture?
Magic Eight Ball Says:
lolz!
No.
Are you sure? Even if Obama is prez at the time? :)
Let us give them Rhode Island in exchange.
Quote from: Caliga on April 02, 2009, 07:08:27 AM
:yes: Gitmo isn't just a prison, people.
yeah but it isn't a luxury resort either - it's a military base in hostile territory. "relaxing" isn't the word that immediately comes to mind.
We can handle the truth.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2009, 10:02:16 AM
Let us give them Rhode Island in exchange.
Better yet, turn Rhode Island into a horrible place where living is a torture.
Oh, wait...
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 02, 2009, 10:24:16 AM
"relaxing" isn't the word that immediately comes to mind.
What about "chillaxing"?
Quote from: saskganesh on April 02, 2009, 09:28:45 AM
I'm sure auschwitz was lauded for its hot showers, industrial facilities where attendees could learn new trades, extensive onsite patient-centered medical research and of course state of the art recycling programs.
gitmo covers 45 square miles. I have no idea if that's considered small or large. its about 20 times the size of gibraltar.
Most of it is not really accessible terrain. The base itself consists basically of two roads. One ends with the Marine barracks and the other ends at the old airfield, now Club Gitmo. The new airfield is across the bay and accessible by boat only. They've got a small BX and the only McDonald's I've ever been to that serves Pizza. And that's pretty much it.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 02, 2009, 10:24:16 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 02, 2009, 07:08:27 AM
:yes: Gitmo isn't just a prison, people.
yeah but it isn't a luxury resort either - it's a military base in hostile territory. "relaxing" isn't the word that immediately comes to mind.
Which is why the USO had a show for the soldiers, sailors, and marines there, featuring Miss Benezuela.
What else would she say? That the soldiers were savage murderers and the prisoners impaled on wooden spikes? She was a guest so of course she's going to say nice things about the people and the place. It may look like silly propaganda to outsiders but the servicemen stationed there I'm sure were appreciative of the USO. Should we sacrifice the well-being and morale of the servicemen because the ROTW thinks its stupid?
The servicemen there certainly don't give a crap about what the rest of the world thinks. They had a good time, and I'm glad for them.
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2009, 07:18:47 AM
Still holding a beauty pageant there, and having the winner declare the she thinks "Auschwitz is the nicest, most friendly place on earth, where one can forget about world's evils" would not be received well, either. :P
Have here declare? You think Benezuela was given a script?
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2009, 10:27:36 AM
Better yet, turn Rhode Island into a horrible place where living is a torture.
Oh, wait...
While hardly worthy of statehood, there's nothing torturous about Rhode Island. It is better than Connecticut.
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 02, 2009, 01:09:54 PM
The servicemen there certainly don't give a crap about what the rest of the world thinks. They had a good time, and I'm glad for them.
That is really the point of the criticism. Its in bad taste for a beauty queen to visit a compound that is being closed because of various abuses to describe it in the way she did but apparently nobody in the military who was invovled with this saw the problem.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 02, 2009, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 02, 2009, 01:09:54 PM
The servicemen there certainly don't give a crap about what the rest of the world thinks. They had a good time, and I'm glad for them.
That is really the point of the criticism. Its in bad taste for a beauty queen to visit a compound that is being closed because of various abuses to describe it in the way she did but apparently nobody in the military who was invovled with this saw the problem.
It is not being closed because of various abuses, so of course it is not in bad taste for her to visit it.
Just because you repeat the lie often enough does not turn it into the truth.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 02, 2009, 03:08:22 PM
That is really the point of the criticism. Its in bad taste for a beauty queen to visit a compound that is being closed because of various abuses to describe it in the way she did but apparently nobody in the military who was invovled with this saw the problem.
If she visited the prison and her comments were directed at the prison then they truly were in bad taste. But I don't think she did.
Quote from: Berkut on April 02, 2009, 03:09:55 PM
Just because you repeat the lie often enough does not turn it into the truth.
Ironically enough, this very issue proves that I am incorrect.
Quote from: Berkut on April 02, 2009, 03:09:55 PM
It is not being closed because of various abuses, so of course it is not in bad taste for her to visit it.
Just because you repeat the lie often enough does not turn it into the truth.
I didnt say it was in bad tate for her to visit. It is in bad taste for her to say that she found the whole place relaxing after having been shown where the detainees are kept. The whole setup is an abuse of law which is why it is being closed. Do we really have to go through the list of why that is again?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 02, 2009, 03:23:39 PM
If she visited the prison and her comments were directed at the prison then they truly were in bad taste. But I don't think she did.
That is where the criticism of the military comes in. Surely someone could have figured out that it was possible to be taken that way.
Quote from: Berkut on April 02, 2009, 03:25:55 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 02, 2009, 03:09:55 PM
Just because you repeat the lie often enough does not turn it into the truth.
Ironically enough, this very issue proves that I am incorrect.
So which lie are you talking about. The beauty queen's description of what she saw?
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 02, 2009, 03:43:55 PM
That is where the criticism of the military comes in. Surely someone could have figured out that it was possible to be taken that way.
You want to eliminate all speech that can be misconstrued? :lol:
She visited the US troops at Guantanamo Bay to boost their morale. She wasn't on a fact finding mission for the Amnesty International. She said it was lovely and relaxing, which I assume it is. It's a Caribbean beach after all.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 02, 2009, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 02, 2009, 03:43:55 PM
That is where the criticism of the military comes in. Surely someone could have figured out that it was possible to be taken that way.
You want to eliminate all speech that can be misconstrued? :lol:
Yi, its not like you to make such a silly comment.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 02, 2009, 03:58:21 PM
Yi, its not like you to make such a silly comment.
I didn't think the comment was silly at all. Would a reasonable, open-minded, objective person come to the conclusion that she finds the holding cages at Gitmo relaxing? I believe not. Is it possible that *some* people could leap to that conclusion? Of course.
Your silly comment was that I was suggesting that all speech that might be misinterpreted should be banned.
You, the beauty queen and the military are also turning a blind eye to the history and closure of this place. She could have said all kinds of stuff to boost morale of the troops. "They were great" "What a great bunch of guys, they really treated me well" on and on and on. But to say that she found the place relaxing after also describing here visit to where the detainees are held is a laughable misstep.
I suppose Obama is closing the detention centre because it is just too damn relaxing.
Considering that we all know that isn't what she meant...
This is beginning to look like the old Languish at last. :)
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 02, 2009, 04:21:03 PM
You, the beauty queen and the military are also turning a blind eye to the history and closure of this place. She could have said all kinds of stuff to boost morale of the troops. "They were great" "What a great bunch of guys, they really treated me well" on and on and on. But to say that she found the place relaxing after also describing here visit to where the detainees are held is a laughable misstep.
She did say that they (the soldiers) were a great bunch of guys and she had a fun and incredible time with them. :huh:
Now I can see the contention over her stating the place was relaxing and calm. She's obviously thinking about the tropical atmosphere and how well she was treated by the servicemembers there, but to say that at Gitmo, the world's most notorious prison camp, may raise some eyebrows.
But the USO and the military organized the show for the servicemembers, not for you or me or the rest of the world. Whatever she said after the trip and posted on her blog should reflect upon her judgements and misjudgements. To blame the military and the USO for your interpretation of her meaning is "silly".
I'm obviously a bit biased here, me being a serviceman who knows the value of these shows.
Miss Universes should be given a script by their PR peeps on what to say, and never, ever, told to ad-lib it.
Sort of like politiicans.
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 02, 2009, 05:30:31 PM
But the USO and the military organized the show for the servicemembers, not for you or me or the rest of the world. Whatever she said after the trip and posted on her blog should reflect upon her judgements and misjudgements. To blame the military and the USO for your interpretation of her meaning is "silly".
I don't think its a question of blame. it is just mildly amusing in an incongruous kind of way.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 02, 2009, 05:54:03 PM
it is just mildly amusing in an incongruous kind of way.
Yes, it is. :D I admit I snickered when I read the headline.
Why is everyone making a big deal out of the specifics of her comments? SHE'S A DUMB BIMBO, PEOPLE.
Quote from: Caliga on April 02, 2009, 06:15:25 PM
Why is everyone making a big deal out of the specifics of her comments? SHE'S A DUMB BIMBO, PEOPLE.
Hatred of America.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 02, 2009, 04:21:03 PM
Your silly comment was that I was suggesting that all speech that might be misinterpreted should be banned.
OK. My first thought was criticizing a person on the grounds that they made a comment which can be misinterpreted is not that different from what I said. My second thought was that the issue is perhaps too pedantic to continue on. Finally my third thought was that you are not in favor of limiting *all* miscontruable comments but only those comments which can be misconstrued as support for an objectionable POV or condemnation for a laudable POV. So silly comment withdrawn.
Quote from: Martinus on April 02, 2009, 10:31:09 AM
What about "chillaxing"?
I vote "gellin' like a felon." That'd earn us some revenue dollars from the Dr. Scholl's endorsement on top of sounding cool. :contract:
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 02, 2009, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 02, 2009, 03:09:55 PM
It is not being closed because of various abuses, so of course it is not in bad taste for her to visit it.
Just because you repeat the lie often enough does not turn it into the truth.
I didnt say it was in bad tate for her to visit. It is in bad taste for her to say that she found the whole place relaxing after having been shown where the detainees are kept. The whole setup is an abuse of law which is why it is being closed. Do we really have to go through the list of why that is again?
Oh, how refreshingly Michael Moore of you. You said there were abuses, but you didn't mean abuse, you meant "abuse of the law". Right.
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 02, 2009, 01:05:18 PM
They've got a small BX and the only McDonald's I've ever been to that serves Pizza.
For a couple years in the early to mid nineties the McDonalds on Vancouver Island served Pizza. The pepperoni wasn't half bad.
Quote from: PRC on April 02, 2009, 08:23:12 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 02, 2009, 01:05:18 PM
They've got a small BX and the only McDonald's I've ever been to that serves Pizza.
For a couple years in the early to mid nineties the McDonalds on Vancouver Island served Pizza. The pepperoni wasn't half bad.
The Grande Prairie one served up until around the turn of the century.
Quote from: Neil on April 02, 2009, 08:34:54 PM
Quote from: PRC on April 02, 2009, 08:23:12 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on April 02, 2009, 01:05:18 PM
They've got a small BX and the only McDonald's I've ever been to that serves Pizza.
For a couple years in the early to mid nineties the McDonalds on Vancouver Island served Pizza. The pepperoni wasn't half bad.
The Grande Prairie one served up until around the turn of the century.
All (or almost all) of them did for a while. The company dropped it after a few years; I don't know if an exception was made to keep it on the menu at Gitmo, or if Hans just hasn't been there for some time and his comment is out-of-date.
I want a damn McRib. :(
Quote from: Caliga on April 03, 2009, 07:35:31 AM
I want a damn McRib. :(
Ronald McDonald has you by the balls.
They seem to do them every year now, but in like the late summer.
I remember they were salty as all hell....you had to buy a super super large coke to wash that down.
Quote from: Caliga on April 02, 2009, 06:15:25 PM
Why is everyone making a big deal out of the specifics of her comments? SHE'S A DUMB BIMBO, PEOPLE.
She is fluent in two languages...are you? :P
Quote from: Valmy on April 03, 2009, 08:24:03 AMShe is fluent in two languages...are you? :P
Fluency claims are often suspect in my experience. ^_^
I have studied French, Latin, and to a small extent Italian and German, but would not claim anything even close to fluency in any of them.
I'm not fluent in English.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 03, 2009, 08:30:16 AM
I'm not fluent in English.
:thumbsup: Ah speak UH-MURRICAN.
Quote from: Caliga on April 03, 2009, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 03, 2009, 08:30:16 AM
I'm not fluent in English.
:thumbsup: Ah speak UH-MURRICAN.
Darn right. I refuse to add an extra "u" to words. :mad:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 03, 2009, 08:32:37 AM
Darn right. I refuse to add an extra "u" to words. :mad:
Myself, I am honoured to add random "u"s in words.
Quote from: Valmy on April 03, 2009, 08:35:32 AMMyself, I am honoured to add random "u"s in words.
Ok H.P. Lovecraft. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Caliga on April 03, 2009, 07:35:31 AM
I want a damn McRib. :(
http://kleincast.com/maps/mcrib.php
I like them, but not worth driving to Illinois for.
Quote from: ulmont on April 03, 2009, 09:24:51 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 03, 2009, 07:35:31 AM
I want a damn McRib. :(
http://kleincast.com/maps/mcrib.php
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg3.imageshack.us%2Fimg3%2F4884%2Fmotherofgodsupertrooper.jpg&hash=e9a171bd1b8edc43c88df232e25cf05e142615fd)
Quote from: Berkut on April 02, 2009, 08:15:25 PM
Oh, how refreshingly Michael Moore of you. You said there were abuses, but you didn't mean abuse, you meant "abuse of the law". Right.
An abuse of law is not something to be concerned about? :huh:
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 03, 2009, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 02, 2009, 08:15:25 PM
Oh, how refreshingly Michael Moore of you. You said there were abuses, but you didn't mean abuse, you meant "abuse of the law". Right.
An abuse of law is not something to be concerned about? :huh:
Of course it is - I just find your little intellectually slippery use of the term "abuse" amusing. Much like everyone does with terms like "abuse" and "torture" when it comes to Gitmo, Mr. Moore.
No worries, your kind have actually won this little propaganda war. Now everyone blithely talks about "abuse" if not "torture" without batting an eye when it comes to Gitmo. Some pseudo-journalist actually won an award for uncovering all the "torture/abuse", no worries that they consistently failed to actually evidence any of this. I am sure what they meant was the tortured way the Bush admin twisted the law or something like that.
Sure.
:rolleyes:
So abuse of the law is bad but its bad to call it abuse. Ok Berk.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 03, 2009, 10:38:31 AM
:rolleyes:
So abuse of the law is bad but its bad to call it abuse. Ok Berk.
What is bad is to talk about abuse at Gitmo, then when you get called on what you know was something that wasn't true, to turn around and pretend you meant something else entirely.
Rather less than honest.
Abuse of the law - yeah, we all believe that is what you meant. Why, it is such a common term, and everyone knows that when you say "Her husband was abusive" you really mean he would sometimes speed on the way to work.
What a little weasel you can be.
Quote from: Berkut on April 03, 2009, 10:48:18 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 03, 2009, 10:38:31 AM
:rolleyes:
So abuse of the law is bad but its bad to call it abuse. Ok Berk.
What is bad is to talk about abuse at Gitmo, then when you get called on what you know was something that wasn't true, to turn around and pretend you meant something else entirely.
Rather less than honest.
Abuse of the law - yeah, we all believe that is what you meant. Why, it is such a common term, and everyone knows that when you say "Her husband was abusive" you really mean he would sometimes speed on the way to work.
What a little weasel you can be.
And you can be a real apologist.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 03, 2009, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 03, 2009, 10:48:18 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 03, 2009, 10:38:31 AM
:rolleyes:
So abuse of the law is bad but its bad to call it abuse. Ok Berk.
What is bad is to talk about abuse at Gitmo, then when you get called on what you know was something that wasn't true, to turn around and pretend you meant something else entirely.
Rather less than honest.
Abuse of the law - yeah, we all believe that is what you meant. Why, it is such a common term, and everyone knows that when you say "Her husband was abusive" you really mean he would sometimes speed on the way to work.
What a little weasel you can be.
And you can be a real apologist.
I'm sure I could be, if I wanted. It isn't very hard to simply make shit up to justify your pre-conceived notions and cherished prejudices, now is it?
Quote from: Berkut on April 03, 2009, 11:22:12 AM
I'm sure I could be, if I wanted. It isn't very hard to simply make shit up to justify your pre-conceived notions and cherished prejudices, now is it?
Give it a go and tell me how it works out for you.