QuoteOctober 13, 2009, 9:30 AM
What's Really Going on With All These Vampires?
From Twilight to True Blood and now The Vampire Diaries, is it vampires that so many American women love... or just gay men?
By Stephen Marche
Forget everything you've read about vampires so far. The current bloodsucking trend, achieving maximum ferocity in November with the release of the sequel to Twilight, isn't about outsiders or immigrants or religion or even AIDS, as critics and bloggers have argued ad nauseam these past few months. There's a much better, simpler, more obvious explanation: Vampires have overwhelmed pop culture because young straight women want to have sex with gay men. Not all young straight women, of course, but many, if not most, of them. Neil Gaiman, sci-fi novelist and geek grandmaster, found out just how many during the shitstorm of pique that covered him from head to toe this past summer after he suggested in an interview that the vampire craze had run its course and should disappear for another twenty to twenty-five years. (Twilight fans took to Twitter in protest.) A foolish hope. The craving for vampire fiction is not a matter of taste but of urges; one does not read or watch it so much as inject it through the eyes, and like any epidemic, it's symptomatic of something much larger: a quiet but profound sexual revolution and a new acceptance of freakiness in mainstream American life.
Vampires have always stalked the cultural landscape at moments of carnal crisis. The seminal short story "The Vampyre," written in 1819 by John Polidori, was based on his fascination with Lord Byron, the icon of Romantic sexual liberation and danger. The frisson of deviance was there right from the start: Nobody really knows what happened between Byron and Polidori, but both of their memoirs were destroyed for the sake of propriety. (Byron, a few whispered, had even slept with his sister.) Bram Stoker's masterpiece, Dracula, appeared right in the middle of what historians call the Great Binge, a period in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries when cocaine and heroin use ran rampant, and the poster for the novel's first-ever movie adaptation promised "the strangest passion the world has ever known!" More recently, a small boom in vampire movies (The Hunger, The Lost Boys) coincided exactly with the rise of AIDS, their vampires intelligent and glamorous and doomed.
All these earlier iterations of the theme are not at all like vampire fiction today. Our vampires are normal. They're not Goth, they're not scary, they're not even that weird. This fall's big vampire show is on the CW, the Gossip Girl network, and its producer also brought the world Dawson's Creek.
In the best-selling Undead series of MaryJanice Davidson, the Queen of the Vampires is a suburbanite named Betsy Taylor. Edward, the romantic hero of the Twilight series, is a sweet, screwed-up high school kid, and at the beginning of his relationship with Bella, she is attracted to him because he is strange, beautiful, and seemingly repulsed by her. This exact scenario happened several times in my high school between straight girls and gay guys who either hadn't figured out they were gay or were still in the closet. Twilight's fantasy is that the gorgeous gay guy can be your boyfriend, and for the slightly awkward teenage girls who consume the books and movies, that's the clincher. Vampire fiction for young women is the equivalent of lesbian porn for men: Both create an atmosphere of sexual abandon that is nonthreatening. That's what everybody wants, isn't it? Sex that's dangerous and safe at the same time, risky but comfortable, gooey and violent but also traditional and loving. In the bedroom, we want to have one foot in the twenty-first century and another in the nineteenth.
True Blood also casts its shadow on the romance between a young woman and a vampire, but unlike Twilight, which is all subtext and love-that-dare-not-speak-its-name, HBO's cult series connects vampirism to homosexuality explicitly. In the opening credits — best opening credits ever? — a passing road sign reads GOD HATES FANGS. The vampires call the humans "breathers" instead of "breeders," and the series opens with a talk-show interview about vampires "mainstreaming," or "coming out of the coffin." True Blood contrasts its vampires' desires for normalcy with humans who are extreme drug users, shape-shifters, and orgiastic maenads, and it's a perfect encapsulation of the American bedroom at this moment: Everyone is a freak, even the people who claim to rail against freakiness.
The first question that comes to mind when you see a family-values orator today is, "I wonder if he's into meth-fueled orgies with male hookers?" And the segment of the religious Right that is not hypocritical has more or less joined the party: An evangelical preacher whose mission in life is to make Christians freakier is telling his flock to try anal play. For most Americans, there is no longer any such thing as a shameful sexual act between consenting adults. Having a bland sex life? Now, that's shameful. No one would dare admit to that.
And so vampires have appeared to help America process its newfound acceptance of what so many once thought strange or abnormal. Adam and Steve who live on your corner with their adorable little son and run a bakery? The transgendered man who gave birth to a healthy baby? The teenage girl who wishes that all boys could be vampires? All part of the luscious and terrifying magic of today's sexual revolution. The political consequences are sweeping — Iowa's Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage is further proof of an old wise man's dictum that the United States invariably does the right thing, after first exhausting all the other alternatives — and the cultural impact is just beginning to be felt. Stephenie Meyer's fourth book in her vampire series, Breaking Dawn, will — one rumor has it — be broken into as many as three different films, which means that husbands, fathers, and boyfriends could find themselves dragged to Twilight movies over the next decade. Neil Gaiman should take some comfort, though: Vampires will eventually go away. They always do. But only when they've sucked our fear and our longing dry.
http://www.esquire.com/features/thousand-words-on-culture/vampires-gay-men-1109
Vampires and everyone else: Esquire is gay
Of course vampires are gay. Anyone who ever watched Interview with a Vampire knows that. Hetero guys prefer werewolves. Or zombies. :P
We've had this discussion.
Unfortunately for you Marty, you're so non-gay you're Renfield.
Wasn't it discussed that Vampires are the monster for when a Democrat is in the White House, and zombies for when there's a Republican?
Quote from: The Larch on November 06, 2009, 06:30:10 AM
Wasn't it discussed that Vampires are the monster for when a Democrat is in the White House, and zombies for when there's a Republican?
That doesn't make sense for a while now, though, since vampires stopped being monsters ever since Ann Rice at least. They are now misunderstood outcasts/anti-heroes - last big vampire movie I remember seeing where vampires were showed as monsters was "Lost Boys"* (and even it was made by a big queer and was filled with homoeroticism).
*And Buffy, of course, but then they made a spin-off with Angel and not-all-vampires-are-bad.
Also, Zombie movies/comics/media are still very much en vogue.
Marty, I generally agree with your assessment, would forward original Blade as last big evil vampire movie, though.
Quote from: Syt on November 06, 2009, 06:37:07 AM
Also, Zombie movies/comics/media are still very much en vogue.
Marty, I generally agree with your assessment, would forward original Blade as last big evil vampire movie, though.
Ah ok. I haven't seen it though.
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 06:38:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 06, 2009, 06:37:07 AM
Also, Zombie movies/comics/media are still very much en vogue.
Marty, I generally agree with your assessment, would forward original Blade as last big evil vampire movie, though.
Ah ok. I haven't seen it though.
You wouldn't like it. All your homosexual metaphors get beheaded by a badass heterosexual nigger.
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 06:34:07 AM
That doesn't make sense for a while now, though, since vampires stopped being monsters ever since Ann Rice at least. They are now misunderstood outcasts/anti-heroes - last big vampire movie I remember seeing where vampires were showed as monsters was "Lost Boys"* (and even it was made by a big queer and was filled with homoeroticism).
30 Days of Night. No fags mincing around in that one making snow angels.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2009, 06:40:04 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 06:38:36 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 06, 2009, 06:37:07 AM
Also, Zombie movies/comics/media are still very much en vogue.
Marty, I generally agree with your assessment, would forward original Blade as last big evil vampire movie, though.
Ah ok. I haven't seen it though.
You wouldn't like it. All your homosexual metaphors get beheaded by a badass heterosexual nigger.
So it's like Prop 8? :mad:
Anyway, it's funny how in "Twilight" vampires no longer even burst into flames in the sun - they just get body glitter. :D
(Credits to garbon for that one :P).
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2009, 06:41:06 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 06:34:07 AM
That doesn't make sense for a while now, though, since vampires stopped being monsters ever since Ann Rice at least. They are now misunderstood outcasts/anti-heroes - last big vampire movie I remember seeing where vampires were showed as monsters was "Lost Boys"* (and even it was made by a big queer and was filled with homoeroticism).
30 Days of Night. No fags mincing around in that one making snow angels.
Daybreakers is coming soon.
Quote from: The Larch on November 06, 2009, 06:30:10 AM
Wasn't it discussed that Vampires are the monster for when a Democrat is in the White House, and zombies for when there's a Republican?
That's an interesting theory, but I think it's bullshit. I don't recall any major zombie movies during the 80s when Reagan/Bush were in office, but I do recall Once Bitten, The Lost Boys, The Hunger, Near Dark, and so forth.
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 06:34:07 AM
"Lost Boys"* (and even it was made by a big queer and was filled with homoeroticism).
Just because
you thought Jason Patric was hot doesn't mean it was filled with homoeroticism, you douche.*
*Unless you mean any film with the Coreys counts as gay, then you'd be right.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2009, 06:52:43 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 06:34:07 AM
"Lost Boys"* (and even it was made by a big queer and was filled with homoeroticism).
Just because you thought Jason Patric was hot doesn't mean it was filled with homoeroticism, you douche.*
*Unless you mean any film with the Coreys counts as gay, then you'd be right.
Stand By Me, Bad News Bears and Goonies are decidedly not gay.
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And so vampires have appeared to help America process its newfound acceptance of what so many once thought strange or abnormal. Adam and Steve who live on your corner with their adorable little son and run a bakery? The transgendered man who gave birth to a healthy baby? The teenage girl who wishes that all boys could be vampires? All part of the luscious and terrifying magic of today's sexual revolution. The political consequences are sweeping — Iowa's Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage is further proof of an old wise man's dictum that the United States invariably does the right thing, after first exhausting all the other alternatives — and the cultural impact is just beginning to be felt.
:bleeding:
Quote from: garbon on November 06, 2009, 07:01:40 AM
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And so vampires have appeared to help America process its newfound acceptance of what so many once thought strange or abnormal. Adam and Steve who live on your corner with their adorable little son and run a bakery? The transgendered man who gave birth to a healthy baby? The teenage girl who wishes that all boys could be vampires? All part of the luscious and terrifying magic of today's sexual revolution. The political consequences are sweeping — Iowa's Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage is further proof of an old wise man's dictum that the United States invariably does the right thing, after first exhausting all the other alternatives — and the cultural impact is just beginning to be felt.
:bleeding:
No shit.
QuoteThe transgendered man who gave birth to a healthy baby? The teenage girl who wishes that all boys could be vampires?
On second thought that sounds like something very out of Transmetropolitan. I eagerly await cloned human meat to be stocked in my deli.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2009, 06:41:06 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 06:34:07 AM
That doesn't make sense for a while now, though, since vampires stopped being monsters ever since Ann Rice at least. They are now misunderstood outcasts/anti-heroes - last big vampire movie I remember seeing where vampires were showed as monsters was "Lost Boys"* (and even it was made by a big queer and was filled with homoeroticism).
30 Days of Night. No fags mincing around in that one making snow angels.
What about John Carpenter's "Vampires"?
How does James Woods shooting spikes with a crossbow rank in the gay/hetero ranking?
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fb%2Fbc%2FVampirestill.jpg&hash=6590f68057dafb50b8a202f650df7a3180007b66)
And of course there's From Dusk Till Dawn.
Just remembered, there's also Van Helsing, a deliciously corny hodgepodge of almost every monster movie you can imagine, and has Kate Beckingsale in a leather corset.
Quote from: The Larch on November 06, 2009, 07:31:22 AM
Just remembered, there's also Van Helsing, a deliciously corny hodgepodge of almost every monster movie you can imagine, and has Kate Beckingsale in a leather corset.
Hod, that movie was horrific. The b/w start was cool, but it kinda draaaaaagged and draaaaaagged ....
James Woods is king of the heteros.
Also, vampire movies symbolize the hatred that society feels for gay men, and the certainty that they can never become human and lead normal lives.
I don't see vampires as gay. Except shitty Twilight ones of course.
That woman want to shag gays though is accepted knowledge.
Here's a good reason to worship vampires.
G.
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Quote from: Grallon on November 06, 2009, 08:47:50 AM
Here's a good reason to worship vampires.
It's a young boy. Why would something like that trigger the religious impulse?
Quote from: Neil on November 06, 2009, 08:51:00 AM
It's a young boy. Why would something like that trigger the religious impulse?
I and others worship the Male Principle - which is as worthy an object of cult as any.
I am very devout. -_-
G.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2009, 06:09:12 AM
We've had this discussion.
Unfortunately for you Marty, you're so non-gay you're Renfield.
Not another enema!
Quote from: Neil on November 06, 2009, 08:51:00 AM
It's a young boy. Why would something like that trigger the religious impulse?
Grallon is delusional and speaks only for himself, pre-teen girls, and lonely and mentally disturbed middle aged men and women.
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2009, 06:50:33 AM
I don't recall any major zombie movies during the 80s when Reagan/Bush were in office
Dude, seriously? The Evil Dead I and II, Day of the Dead, Pet Sematary and, at a stretch, Reanimator. Oh yeah, and the Thriller video :P
Quote from: Martinus on November 06, 2009, 06:34:07 AM
They are now misunderstood outcasts/anti-heroes
Just like everybody else.
Another classic part of our culture destroyed by teenage wangst.
Quote from: Valmy on November 06, 2009, 09:12:36 AM
Another classic part of our culture destroyed by teenage wangst.
I think I've discovered who you really blame.
Quote from: Grallon on November 06, 2009, 08:56:07 AM
Quote from: Neil on November 06, 2009, 08:51:00 AM
It's a young boy. Why would something like that trigger the religious impulse?
I and others worship the Male Principle - which is as worthy an object of cult as any.
I am very devout. -_-
If you worship the male principle, why would you hold an effeminate young boy up to worship?
Quote from: The Larch on November 06, 2009, 07:26:37 AM
What about John Carpenter's "Vampires"?
A fucking travesty compared to the original book. (http://www.amazon.com/Vampires-John-Steakley/dp/0451462262/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257518084&sr=8-1)
Quote from: garbon on November 06, 2009, 08:58:52 AM
Grallon is delusional and speaks only for himself, pre-teen girls, and lonely and mentally disturbed middle aged men and women.
Now now, let not your newfound heterosexuality turn you sour lad. :lol:
G.
I've learned from numerous quality Jesse Franco and Jean Rollins films that all lady vampires are lesbians so it would follow that male vampires must be gay.
Does this make Van Helsing, Santo :ph34r: and Blue Demon :ph34r: gay bashers? :unsure:
God damn ENOUGH with the gay stuff.
We don't need a billion threads about gay issues or to have the gay perspective inserted into EVERY thread.
If you want to do that shit, go to a gay forum.
Quote from: Brazen on November 06, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
Dude, seriously? The Evil Dead I and II, Day of the Dead, Pet Sematary and, at a stretch, Reanimator. Oh yeah, and the Thriller video :P
Yes... Reanimator. A major blockbuster. -_-
Of course vampires are goddamn gay...unless by gay you mean something else than "lame."
Speaking of blood, a turd ripped up my hemorrhoids this morning. Fucker felt like a brick.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2009, 10:09:55 AM
Speaking of blood, a turd ripped up my hemorrhoids this morning. Fucker felt like a brick.
TMI :ultra:
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2009, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2009, 10:09:55 AM
Speaking of blood, a turd ripped up my hemorrhoids this morning. Fucker felt like a brick.
TMI :ultra:
Good thing I inspect my turds every morning.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2009, 10:20:21 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2009, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2009, 10:09:55 AM
Speaking of blood, a turd ripped up my hemorrhoids this morning. Fucker felt like a brick.
TMI :ultra:
Good thing I inspect my turds every morning.
Worried you have tapeworm?
Quote from: katmai on November 06, 2009, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2009, 10:20:21 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2009, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2009, 10:09:55 AM
Speaking of blood, a turd ripped up my hemorrhoids this morning. Fucker felt like a brick.
TMI :ultra:
Good thing I inspect my turds every morning.
Worried you have tapeworm?
The Cancer. Butt cancer sounds painful, as I enjoy my quiet time on the can every day.
I like Vampire movies & tv shows.
But I didn't watch Twilight and don't intend to either.
I did watch a few episodes of Vampire Diaries, but it seemed like a boring teenage show for little girls, except there's vampires. Sort of like Twilight, actually.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2009, 06:09:12 AM
We've had this discussion.
Unfortunately for you Marty, you're so non-gay you're Renfield.
oh SNAP! lol
Quote from: viper37 on November 06, 2009, 10:40:59 AMbut it seemed like a boring teenage show for little girls
Which is why navel-gazing gays are now thinking it's about them I guess.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2009, 10:26:51 AM
The Cancer. Butt cancer sounds painful, as I enjoy my quiet time on the can every day.
From the AARs you give us, your time on the can must be anything but quiet. :P
Quote from: Grallon on November 06, 2009, 09:52:06 AM
Now now, let not your newfound heterosexuality turn you sour lad. :lol:
G.
Darling, just because you've only recently been able to see my facebook page that doesn't mean it was modified recently. ;)
Quote from: Grallon on November 06, 2009, 08:47:50 AM
Here's a good reason to worship vampires.
Have you seen "Little Ashes"?
Quote from: DontSayBanana on November 06, 2009, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2009, 10:26:51 AM
The Cancer. Butt cancer sounds painful, as I enjoy my quiet time on the can every day.
From the AARs you give us, your time on the can must be anything but quiet. :P
Just going through a ass ripping turd phase. I'll be back to normal in a couple of weeks.
Then I can go back to reading on the can.
Quote from: Brazen on November 06, 2009, 09:09:50 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2009, 06:50:33 AM
I don't recall any major zombie movies during the 80s when Reagan/Bush were in office
Dude, seriously? The Evil Dead I and II, Day of the Dead, Pet Sematary and, at a stretch, Reanimator. Oh yeah, and the Thriller video :P
Night of the Living Dead (the original) came out during the Johnson administration.
Quote from: Savonarola on November 06, 2009, 09:52:18 AM
I've learned from numerous quality Jesse Franco and Jean Rollins films that all lady vampires are lesbians so it would follow that male vampires must be gay.
Does this make Van Helsing, Santo :ph34r: and Blue Demon :ph34r: gay bashers? :unsure:
Quality and Jean Rollin in a sentence: at last, a voice of reason!
Requiem for a Vampire does not fit that well but let's forget it anyways since the action pace is (too) fast for a Rollin film