http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-10/physicists-calculate-exact-number-alternate-universes
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Physicists Calculate Exact Number of Alternate Universes
There are 10^10^16 of them (but #1,000,443,163,313,125,343,132 is the evil one)
By Stuart Fox Posted 10.16.2009 at 10:28 am
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For some time, physicists have theorized about the existence of alternate universes. In fact, some models of physics require multiple universes, to explain some rarely observed phenomena. But, other than obvious ones like The Man In The High Castle Universe where the Nazis won WWII, the Earth-295 Age of Apocalypse Universe, and the Terran Empire "Mirror Mirror" Universe, just how many alternate universes are there? Well, some Stanford University physicists have answered that question, and the magic number is: 10^10^16 other realities.
The physicists, Andrei Linde and Vitaly Vanchurin, calculated the number by first going all the way back to the Big Bang. Linde and Vanchurin posit that the stellar organization and physics of our universe resulted from small perturbations in the otherwise uniform mass of matter and energy that existed milliseconds after the Big Bang. So, the number of possible variations of those perturbations represents the upper limit of possible alternate universes, or about 10^10^10^7 possible alternate universes.
However, because of the physical limits of the human brain, no individual could perceive more than 10^10^16 realities different from our own. And since the perspective of the viewer factors into the calculations (like time dilation in relativity), that's the number of possible alternate universes.
Of course, that's the total number of POSSIBLE alternate universes. The number of ACTUAL alternative universes actually depends on depends on how many boxes the Professor made.
It's about 10^16 zeros. :smarty:
In none of them the confederacy won.
So...this is every particle there has ever been moving in every conceievable way it could have moved through all time and every combination thereupon?
Cool if they've actually calculated that :blink:
I mean...even a single particle throughout history could have created a number of universes infinite to our understanding let alone that infinity times another infinity if we're counting two particles....and so on.
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 05:33:40 PM
So...this is every particle there has ever been moving in every conceievable way it could have moved through all time and every combination thereupon?
Cool if they've actually calculated that :blink:
I mean...even a single particle throughout history could have created a number of universes infinite to our understanding let alone that infinity times another infinity if we're counting two particles....and so on.
He did say a lot of zeros.
QuoteHowever, because of the physical limits of the human brain, no individual could perceive more than 10^10^16 realities different from our own. And since the perspective of the viewer factors into the calculations (like time dilation in relativity), that's the number of possible alternate universes.
This doesn't make any sense.
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 05:33:40 PM
So...this is every particle there has ever been moving in every conceievable way it could have moved through all time and every combination thereupon?
Cool if they've actually calculated that :blink:
I mean...even a single particle throughout history could have created a number of universes infinite to our understanding let alone that infinity times another infinity if we're counting two particles....and so on.
It does sound a bit extreme when you put it that way. :blink:
As a layman, I don't see how that is possible.
160.
Wicked awesome.
My favorite alternate universe so far is this one.
www.amazon.com/Britannias-Fist-Civil.../dp/1574888234
Quote from: Warspite on October 19, 2009, 05:52:46 PM
QuoteHowever, because of the physical limits of the human brain, no individual could perceive more than 10^10^16 realities different from our own. And since the perspective of the viewer factors into the calculations (like time dilation in relativity), that's the number of possible alternate universes.
This doesn't make any sense.
No, but it does in another universe.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:33:51 PM
Wicked awesome.
My favorite alternate universe so far is this one.
www.amazon.com/Britannias-Fist-Civil.../dp/1574888234
You suck.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 19, 2009, 06:42:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:33:51 PM
Wicked awesome.
My favorite alternate universe so far is this one.
www.amazon.com/Britannias-Fist-Civil.../dp/1574888234
You suck.
Shockingly, I disagree. :smarty:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 19, 2009, 06:42:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:33:51 PM
Wicked awesome.
My favorite alternate universe so far is this one.
www.amazon.com/Britannias-Fist-Civil.../dp/1574888234
You suck.
Shockingly, I disagree. :smarty:
Your opinion was overruled as hearsay.
My original ruling stands. You suck.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 19, 2009, 06:46:59 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 19, 2009, 06:42:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:33:51 PM
Wicked awesome.
My favorite alternate universe so far is this one.
www.amazon.com/Britannias-Fist-Civil.../dp/1574888234
You suck.
Shockingly, I disagree. :smarty:
Your opinion was overruled as hearsay.
My original ruling stands. You suck.
You can't judge me, only Neil can judge me. :contract:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 19, 2009, 06:46:59 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 19, 2009, 06:42:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:33:51 PM
Wicked awesome.
My favorite alternate universe so far is this one.
www.amazon.com/Britannias-Fist-Civil.../dp/1574888234
You suck.
Shockingly, I disagree. :smarty:
Your opinion was overruled as hearsay.
My original ruling stands. You suck.
You can't judge me, only Neil can judge me. :contract:
I consider 67th Tiger's opinion on the issue of "Britannia's Fist" as more valid than yours.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:49:17 PM
You can't judge me, only Neil can judge me. :contract:
I judge everybody, and you have been found lacking.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 19, 2009, 07:01:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:49:17 PM
You can't judge me, only Neil can judge me. :contract:
I judge everybody, and you have been found lacking.
Especially in the bone marrow department.
Quote from: Tyr on October 19, 2009, 05:33:40 PM
So...this is every particle there has ever been moving in every conceievable way it could have moved through all time and every combination thereupon?
Cool if they've actually calculated that :blink:
I mean...even a single particle throughout history could have created a number of universes infinite to our understanding let alone that infinity times another infinity if we're counting two particles....and so on.
Heavens no.
I'd be interested in reading more. Myself, I've always preferred the four-dimensional branes floating in five-dimensional space cosmology.
Quote from: Agelastus on October 19, 2009, 06:58:26 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 19, 2009, 06:46:59 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 19, 2009, 06:42:01 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 06:33:51 PM
Wicked awesome.
My favorite alternate universe so far is this one.
www.amazon.com/Britannias-Fist-Civil.../dp/1574888234
You suck.
Shockingly, I disagree. :smarty:
Your opinion was overruled as hearsay.
My original ruling stands. You suck.
You can't judge me, only Neil can judge me. :contract:
I consider 67th Tiger's opinion on the issue of "Britannia's Fist" as more valid than yours.
He may know his dreadnaughts, but he knows fuck all about the Civil War. I mean for god sakes, he insists that McClellan was the greatest Union general of the War.
DREADNOUGHT. The word is dreadnought. The Dreadnaught was a tugboat.
Which universe are dreadnoughts still prevalent in?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 19, 2009, 07:54:24 PM
He may know his dreadnaughts, but he knows fuck all about the Civil War. I mean for god sakes, he insists that McClellan was the greatest Union general of the War.
As he probably wanted the North to lose, there is nothing inconsistent with that opinion.
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 19, 2009, 09:35:27 PM
Which universe are dreadnoughts still prevalent in?
Rather, in which universe are dreadnoughts still prevalent?
A bump disguised as a grammatical correction, very sneaky. :shifty:
1000000000000000 Zeros
Quote from: DGuller on October 19, 2009, 11:38:23 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 19, 2009, 06:08:32 PM
160.
I'm so itching to make an appropriate joke here.
Go ahead, I realize I'm wrong and you and grey fox are right. :Embarrass:
:barf:
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 20, 2009, 07:24:44 AM
1000000000000000 Zeros
it's a one followed ten thousand trillion zeroes
I personally disagree, I think it is a 1 followed by ten thousand trillion -1 zeroes followed by a 2.
Quote from: Agelastus on October 19, 2009, 05:57:59 PM
It does sound a bit extreme when you put it that way. :blink:
As a layman, I don't see how that is possible.
I also doubt it. As it was pointed out, for the theory to be true, every single change, even at a particle/photon level would lead to a new alternate universe, and so on...
Most people believe this nonsense because they only think about Human history, say: "Caesar not murdered in 44 b.C. - History changes" and accept it, but alternative universes would be far, far, far more than that, every change in anything would change everything, and this would happen during every microsecond for billions of years.
In other words, not even a hundred zillion trillion billion zeroes after the 1 would suffice to number them. Not even by a longshot.
Quote from: Martim Silva on October 20, 2009, 02:50:56 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on October 19, 2009, 05:57:59 PM
It does sound a bit extreme when you put it that way. :blink:
As a layman, I don't see how that is possible.
I also doubt it. As it was pointed out, for the theory to be true, every single change, even at a particle/photon level would lead to a new alternate universe, and so on...
Most people believe this nonsense because they only think about Human history, say: "Caesar not murdered in 44 b.C. - History changes" and accept it, but alternative universes would be far, far, far more than that, every change in anything would change everything, and this would happen during every microsecond for billions of years.
In other words, not even a hundred zillion trillion billion zeroes after the 1 would suffice to number them. Not even by a longshot.
You can certainly play around with the number of particles in the known universe and possible states and configurations etc. Then you end up with a number. The number will be big enough if you pile on the zeroes. What may be hard to grasp for a layman is how large large numbers are.
Consider: how many orders of magnitude do you need to describe the universe? Not that many.
The really interesting changes are of the constants and forces anyways. I am unconvinced by the concept of doppleganger universes.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 19, 2009, 05:14:42 PM
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-10/physicists-calculate-exact-number-alternate-universes
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Physicists Calculate Exact Number of Alternate Universes
The physicists, Andrei Linde and Vitaly Vanchurin, calculated the number by first going all the way back to the Big Bang. Linde and Vanchurin posit that the stellar organization and physics of our universe resulted from small perturbations in the otherwise uniform mass of matter and energy that existed milliseconds after the Big Bang. So, the number of possible variations of those perturbations represents the upper limit of possible alternate universes, or about 10^10^10^7 possible alternate universes.
However, because of the physical limits of the human brain, no individual could perceive more than 10^10^16 realities different from our own. And since the perspective of the viewer factors into the calculations (like time dilation in relativity), that's the number of possible alternate universes.
This isn't science
per se, but rather entertainment couched in the form of science, and the author of the story caught the mood of the scientists quite well. That is rare and commendable.
52. unless it's marvel, then there's like a bunch. most are really gay though ( and not in a fun homosexual way)
The Onion does Alternate History. :lol:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/alternate_universe_sci_fi_channel?utm_source=onion_rss_daily
Great, now Timmay's managed to taint The Onion. :cry:
I want a universe with rainbow ponies.