Favorite Spread Underdog
At Houston -9 Oakland
Tennessee -3 At Jacksonville
At New England -2 Baltimore
Cincinnati -5.5 At Cleveland
NY Giants -8.5 At Kansas City
At Chicago -10.5 Detroit
At Washington -7 Tampa Bay
At Indianapolis -9 Seattle
At New Orleans -7 NY Jets
Buffalo -2 At Miami
At San Francisco -9.5 St. Louis
Dallas -3 At Denver
At Pittsburgh -6.5 San Diego
Monday Night Football Point Spread
At Minnesota -3.5 Green Bay
I'm picking New England to cover over the Ravens, Dallas to cover against Denver, and San Diego to cover against Pittsburgh. What the hell, I'll drop another dime on Favre too.
Side question: anyone here ever heard of the football position "rush end?"
CiCi: 9 views, 0 positive responses to the side question. :contract:
I've heard 'rush end' used, almost always to describe a defensive end in a 4-3. I've heard it used once or twice to describe an outside linebacker in a 3-4.
Quote from: Neil on September 29, 2009, 07:16:57 PM
I've heard 'rush end' used, almost always to describe a defensive end in a 4-3. I've heard it used once or twice to describe an outside linebacker in a 3-4.
In reference to Canadian football or American? :shifty:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 29, 2009, 06:40:25 PM
I'm picking New England to cover over the Ravens,
Fag. You shall pay for your insolence.
QuoteSide question: anyone here ever heard of the football position "rush end?"
Loose, interchangeable term for any down lineman/DE or LB in a three point stance that rushes, as opposed to simply playing against the run and plugging the gap.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 29, 2009, 07:19:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 29, 2009, 07:16:57 PM
I've heard 'rush end' used, almost always to describe a defensive end in a 4-3. I've heard it used once or twice to describe an outside linebacker in a 3-4.
In reference to Canadian football or American? :shifty:
Both, although it's much, much more common in Canadian football.
FYI, the NFL Network is rebroadcasting the Patriots-Ravens game from November 25, 2007 on Friday night at 9pm, as it is considered an NFL "classic".
You might remember it, as it was the game the Ravens snapped the Patriots' undefeated streak by stuffing them on 4th down, only for the refs to retroactively take it away and keep giving them do-overs until they won.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 29, 2009, 06:40:25 PM
At New England -2 Baltimore
I'm picking New England to cover over the Ravens, Dallas to cover against Denver, and San Diego to cover against Pittsburgh. What the hell, I'll drop another dime on Favre too.
Really? I'm kinda worried about that game.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 29, 2009, 08:12:01 PM
Really? I'm kinda worried about that game.
As well you should be. The Ravens are going to beat the Patriots, and then CdM and I are going to celebrate by savagely beating the entire population of Rhode Island.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 29, 2009, 08:12:01 PM
Really? I'm kinda worried about that game.
I'm so sure I've bet $100 of hard earned fake internet money on it.
Quote from: Neil on September 29, 2009, 08:16:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 29, 2009, 08:12:01 PM
Really? I'm kinda worried about that game.
As well you should be. The Ravens are going to beat the Patriots, and then CdM and I are going to celebrate by savagely beating the entire population of Rhode Island.
All 1 million of us?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 29, 2009, 08:28:45 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 29, 2009, 08:16:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 29, 2009, 08:12:01 PM
Really? I'm kinda worried about that game.
As well you should be. The Ravens are going to beat the Patriots, and then CdM and I are going to celebrate by savagely beating the entire population of Rhode Island.
All 1 million of us?
Shit, we might be fired up enough to move into Mass.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 29, 2009, 07:32:36 PM
FYI, the NFL Network is rebroadcasting the Patriots-Ravens game from November 25, 2007 on Friday night at 9pm, as it is considered an NFL "classic".
You might remember it, as it was the game the Ravens snapped the Patriots' undefeated streak by stuffing them on 4th down, only for the refs to retroactively take it away and keep giving them do-overs until they won.
That must have been the first week of December not last week of November...
Yeah was 12/3/2007
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 29, 2009, 07:32:36 PM
FYI, the NFL Network is rebroadcasting the Patriots-Ravens game from November 25, 2007 on Friday night at 9pm, as it is considered an NFL "classic".
You might remember it, as it was the game the Ravens snapped the Patriots' undefeated streak by stuffing them on 4th down, only for the refs to retroactively take it away and keep giving them do-overs until they won.
Perfect, you can see the official blow the whistle before the snap this time.
I want to enter the alternate universe that refs used to enter to judge forceouts and see what would have happened if the Patriots had converted. I'm thinking the timeout wouldn't have been in time in that universe.
QuotePatriots cornerback hurt while running for police help
Police in North Attleboro, Mass., are investigating a weekend incident at the home of New England Patriots cornerback Jonathan Wilhite that resulted in his suffering a minor injury.
Police said Tuesday that officers responded to a call from Wilhite on Sunday morning concerning suspicious activity. Wilhite told police that two people were in the parking lot outside his residence when he arrived home, and one approached and yelled at him.
Wilhite said he ran to a convenience store where he asked the clerk to call police. Wilhite told police he pulled his groin while running.
The cornerback missed Sunday's game. His status for this week's game with the Ravens is unknown.
QuoteThe Eagles released quarterback Jeff Garcia.
They will pay.
QuoteSTEELERS: Coach Mike Tomlin said he might deactivate wide receiver Limas Sweed for Sunday night's game with the Chargers.
Why not, he hasn't been playing for 2 years.
Quote from: sbr on September 29, 2009, 09:10:26 PM
Perfect, you can see the official blow the whistle before the snap this time.
You are wrong, and you know it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 30, 2009, 05:42:00 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 29, 2009, 09:10:26 PM
Perfect, you can see the official blow the whistle before the snap this time.
You are wrong, and you know it.
Did you watch the Youtube click I found? If not I will dig it up again after work. :)
I was informed by the NFL's VP Officiating that it's not when the ref blows the whistle, but rather when he WANTS to blow the whistle that counts.
Quote from: sbr on September 30, 2009, 08:28:29 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 30, 2009, 05:42:00 AM
Quote from: sbr on September 29, 2009, 09:10:26 PM
Perfect, you can see the official blow the whistle before the snap this time.
You are wrong, and you know it.
Did you watch the Youtube click I found? If not I will dig it up again after work. :)
I watched the game, douchebag. Your doctored YouTube footage is irrelevant.
But don't worry, vengeance is a'coming Sunday.
And I looked, and behold a purple jersey: and the number upon it was 52, and Hell followed with him.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 30, 2009, 05:41:05 AM
QuoteSTEELERS: Coach Mike Tomlin said he might deactivate wide receiver Limas Sweed for Sunday night's game with the Chargers.
Why not, he hasn't been playing for 2 years.
The OL wouldn't be such an issue if they hadn't wasted picks on Mendenhall and Sweed.
According to my last game of madden, the Ravens will win 24-14, with Brady having a big game. The turning point is a Ray Lewis one handed interception on the patriots 30 to put them up by 10, and with 2 minutes to go in the 4th Suggs injures Brady on 4th and inches to seal the game. :cheers:
Edit: He gives Brady an upper arm fracture - 4 weeks.
:worthy:
Week 1: 10-6
Week 2: 11-5 (8-8 vs. the spread)
Week 3: 7-9 (6-10)
Sunday:
Lions (-10.5) @ Bears - So, the Lions have their first win, which is good and all that. The Bears defence is superior to the Redskins, and their offence infinitely more capable. Detroit can play without humiliating themselves, but they make mistakes that the opportunistic Bears should take advantage of. The Bears have determination, and that counts for a lot, helps you win the games you're supposed to win. I don't think Detroit will cover.
Bengals @ Browns (-5.5) - The Bengals have come out and are surprisingly average. The Browns, on the other hand, are terrible. The only thing that might give me pause is that every once in a while Derek Anderson has a game where he set the world on fire. However, with Jamal Lewis' injury taking the power out of the Browns' running game, the weakness of their defence and the fact that Mangini seems to be retarded and weak on the sideline, I think the Bengals should be able to handle this. The Browns will not cover.
Raiders (-9) @ Texans - The Raider offence is an immovable object, while the Texans defence couldn't stop the most stoppable force imagineable. However, the Texans can score, which gives them the edge over a so-so Raider defence. The Raiders shouldn't cover.
Seahawks (-9) @ Colts - Manning might be at the height of his powers right now. As for the Seahawks, even if their kicker hadn't failed them, their defence let Jay Cutler and the Bears back into it. Manning will score points, and then the Colts defence will pin their ears back and victimize Seneca Wallace. The Seahawks will not cover.
Titans @ Jaguars (-3) - How has it come to this for the Titans? I just don't believe that they're as bad as their record right now. Fortunately, the Jags are weak. The Titans are very tough against the run, and I don't believe that Garrard can beat the Titans with his arm, even against that chump Finnegan. The Jags will not cover.
Giants @ Chiefs (-8.5) - Squash match. The Giants are on their game right now. The Chiefs are not. Manning is elevating his game to the point when he's like his brother. He's making his average receivers look good, and their defence is crushing their weak opposition. The Chiefs will not cover.
Ravens (-2) @ Patriots - The Ravens offence is superior to that of the Patriots. The Ravens defence is superior to that of the Patriots. The Ravens coaching is superior to that of the Patriots. Special teams is roughly even. The Ravens will beat the Patriots, and will have to be taken seriously. The Patriots and their fans will have their stomachs eaten by dogs in the desert.
Buccaneers (-7) @ Redskins - Both these teams are bad, but the Bucs are worse. Really, I think that Tampa will cover, just because of the inability of Washington to score. A touchdown is a lot for those guys.
Bills @ Dolphins (-2) - At this point, without Pennington, the Bills are going to be able to put 8 in the box and tee off on the Wildcat all night long. With Lynch coming back, I think that the Bills should be able to outperform the Dolphins and beat the spread.
Jets (-7) @ Saints - I don't think Sanchez can keep pace with the Saints offence. The Jets won't cover.
Cowboys @ Broncos (-3) - The Broncos are acting like they have a real defence. This is their chance to prove it. I think that they can, and that the Cowboys are a bunch of choke artists. Moreover, the Denver home field advantage is the greatest in the league.
Rams (-9.5) @ 49ers - The Awesome One is going to start. No matter how good he is though, the Rams don't have the tools to beat the 49ers. I doubt they'll manage to beat the spread.
Chargers (-6.5) @ Steelers - The Steelers are tough, the Chargers are soft. I'd love to see Pittsburgh lose this one, but the Chargers haven't beat the Steelers at home since... I don't know when. It'll be a close one, and the Chargers will cover, but the Steelers should win.
Monday:
Packers (-3.5) @ Vikings - The Packers are alright, but the Vikings are at the top of their game right now. With Favre's throws and Peterson's running, I think the Vikings will win by at least four.
Also: I am starting Kyle Boller over Jamarcus Russell in LFFL.
Quote from: Neil on October 02, 2009, 09:16:56 PM
Also: I am starting Kyle Boller over Jamarcus Russell in LFFL.
You should have been doing that even when Bulger was healthy.
Quote from: Neil on October 02, 2009, 09:16:56 PM
Also: I am starting Kyle Boller over Jamarcus Russell in LFFL.
Does that mean you started Russell over Boller previously?
I keep telling you - Flacco is available for a decent RB... :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on October 02, 2009, 11:56:42 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 02, 2009, 09:16:56 PM
Also: I am starting Kyle Boller over Jamarcus Russell in LFFL.
Does that mean you started Russell over Boller previously?
I keep telling you - Flacco is available for a decent RB... :contract:
I have Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Cadillac Williams and Tashard Choice.
I fully expect the Bungles to blow it in the battle of Ohio.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2009, 07:32:29 AM
I fully expect the Bungles to blow it in the battle of Ohio.
Yep-- Marvin has anticipated the hangover effect & tried to mix some things up in practice this week to mitigate it, but sometimes the hangover from a big win just happens regardless. I just hope the number of times the game is mis-stated as "The Battle of
the Ohio" is minimized.
It's still the Browns though.
I've watched the NE-Baltimore game from 2007 three times so far this weekend.
With each viewing, the only change in the outcome is how much more seething rage for tomorrow's game I possess.
Tomorrow, there will be a reckoning. Vengeance shall wear #52.
Quote from: Neil on October 03, 2009, 01:34:11 PM
It's still the Browns though.
...and it's still the Bungles :(
QuoteBoth these teams are bad, but the Bucs are worse. Really, I think that Tampa will cover, just because of the inability of Washington to score. A touchdown is a lot for those guys.
Ain't that the truth? I think sometimes Zorn should consider going in as QB. Maybe Steve Largent is still available.
Jets at the Superdome. They're probably going to lose this one but let's see how they play against a 3-0 team on the road.
Quote from: Vince on October 03, 2009, 10:45:14 PM
Jets at the Superdome. They're probably going to lose this one but let's see how they play against a 3-0 team on the road.
Very interesting game, I think the Jets D will slow the Saints down, but I don't think Sanchez will be able to play well enough on the road to allow the Jets to win.
12-4 last week. :cool:
Oakland @ Houston (-9) - The Raiders defense is reasonable, but the offense is so bad that the Texans will just eventually wear them out with time of possession and field position.
Tennessee (-3) @ Jacksonville - It may be too late already but the Titans HAVE to win this game to have any shot at the play-offs. I think they will be able to control both lines well enough to get their first win and by enough to cover the spread.
Baltimore @ New England (-2) - Not very often that the better team is the underdog. Unless Brady and the offense get their act in gear this could get ugly; I think the Pats will keep it respectable, but the Ravens win.
Cincinnati (-5.5) @ Cleveland - The Browns are horrible. Derek Anderson is NOT the answer and there may very well be a revolt in the locker room against Mangenius before the season is over. It feels awkward taking the Bengals and giving that many points but I think the Bengals cover, but I would bet someone else's money on this game.
NY Giants (-8.5) @ Kansas City - I was silly and took the Chiefs and the points in Philly last week. Not this week, the Giants will run at will and Cassel will be hounded for the entire game.
Detroit @ Chicago (10.5) - This is an awfully big spread and would touch this game if I was really betting. Detroit has been playing well enough to keep this one close, but they won't win their second game this week.
Tampa Bay @ Washington (-7) - The Redskins have to win this one. I can't fathom a way that they lose to Detroit and Tampa in back-to-back weeks. Campbell has ben playing reasonably well, he just doesn't have any play makers on the offense with him. Portis has no burst, Moss is a very average and inconsistent receiver, likely because he is so short, and Cooley is nice but you can't build an offense around him. That being said the Buccaneers are the worst team in the league and seemed to quit last week. Redskins win and cover, possibly in a blowout.
Seattle @ Indianapolis (-9) - The Colts pass defense is tremendous, the Seahawks are without Hasselbeck and are starting Seneca Wallace again and don't have much of a running game. The Colts will cover again.
NY Jets @ New Orleans (-7) - As I just said above, the most interesting game to me this week. The Jets will keep the Saints offense under control but I still think the Saints passing game will score enough points to make things very uncomfortable for the rookie Sanchez against a better than advertised New Orleans defense. The Saints win, but by less than a touchdown.
Buffalo (-2) @ Miami - I think the Bills are finally going to beak through against the Dolphins. With no Pennington the Bills defense will be able to key on the 'Phins running game and I think Edwards may complete some passes as well.
St Louis @ San Fransisco (-9.5) - The 49ers will win but I think the Rams will be able to keep it close. No real reason why.
Dallas (-3) @ Denver - The Broncos are 3-0 and have the #1 defense in the league. :lmfao: Both are mirages, they have played the Bengals, Browns and Raiders. They will come crashing down this week, Dallas by double digits.
San Diego @ Pittsburgh (-6.5) - All of the experts are predicting a Steelers blow out in this one, I am not sure why. I could see the Steelers winning but I am not sure they are good enough to blow out the Chargers.
Green Bay @ Minnesota (-3.5) - Should be a fun game. I think the Vikings defense will stuff the Packers run game all day and the Packers O-line isn't good enough to hold up against an all out pass rush, especially with one as good as the Vikes. Rogers won't have enough time to pull out a win against his mentor.
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 01:22:37 AM
St Louis @ San Fransisco (-9.5) - The 49ers will win but I think the Rams will be able to keep it close. No real reason why.
Another believer in the legendary power of Kyle Boller.
:lol:
QuoteOakland Raiders attempt to ban Rich Gannon fails again
Outspoken former quarterback remains steadfast in his TV analysis
Sam Farmer
October 4, 2009
The factor that has Rich Gannon silver-and-blacklisted by the Raiders is one of the many qualities that makes him their impact player of this decade.
The quarterback-turned-CBS analyst speaks his mind and stands his ground.
"I've talked to several players, and not one of them has any issue with anything I've ever said or done in reference to their team," Gannon said in a phone interview. "But there's certainly someone who's not happy.
"But I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't say that the product on the field has not been up to snuff the last six years or so."
That "someone" is Raiders owner Al Davis, and last week his club attempted to ban Gannon from its headquarters for CBS production meetings. (The league wouldn't allow that, and Gannon didn't arrive in Oakland early enough to make the meetings.) Last season, the Raiders were equally unsuccessful in trying to have Gannon removed from the broadcast team covering one of their games.
"The point needed to be made that you've been unduly critical far too often and too long for us to embrace you and welcome you into our building," said John Herrera, spokesman for the Raiders, who have lost 11 or more games for an NFL-record six consecutive seasons.
Gannon conceded the Raiders' attempts to lock him out surprised him and said their reaction was unique among NFL teams.
"I've had absolutely zero problems with the league, any team, any owner, any GM, any coach, any players or any PR staff," he said. "My style is never to be condescending or arrogant or judgmental. I wasn't that way as a player, and I'm not that way as an analyst. My job, though, is to be fair and to be honest and to give my analysis of what I see."
As a player, it was Gannon's unflinching candor and attention to detail - along with a collection of like-minded veterans and coach Jon Gruden - that helped reshape a rudderless franchise. He was the NFL's most valuable player in 2002, leading the Raiders to their first Super Bowl in 19 years.
"I came from organizations and systems where all I had to do is play and worry about my job," he said. "When I came to Oakland, that just wasn't the situation. It was a team in disarray. In terms of leadership, in terms of the structure, it just wasn't what I was accustomed to. It was very hard for me to function initially.
"But what I tried to do was work within the confines of the building to change it. I never tried to publicly embarrass anybody or humiliate anybody. ... After victories I tried to deflect as much attention away from me and onto coaches and players, and in defeat I tried to shoulder as much of the responsibility as I could.
"That's something I'm most proud of as a player in this league, and it's something that I learned at a very early point in my career. I don't think anybody can argue that."
I see Rapistburger is going to host a wrestling show tomorrow. Total white trash.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 04, 2009, 10:10:29 AM
I see Rapistburger is going to host a wrestling show tomorrow. Total white trash.
They had an Outside The Lines piece this morning on his rape/extortion story. It was chock full of heady LULZ goodness.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 04, 2009, 10:10:29 AM
I see Rapistburger is going to host a wrestling show tomorrow. Total white trash.
I'm sure it'll be worth it when Ray Lewis comes out of the crowd and nails him in the head with a steel chair.
Welker and Willfork are playing. Mayo is out.
I don't care that it is the Cowboys, I want to see Denver humiliated. Number 1 defense...
Quote from: PDH on October 04, 2009, 10:51:46 AM
I don't care that it is the Cowboys, I want to see Denver humiliated. Number 1 defense...
See, you're being silly. The Cowboys being humiliated today is sweet. The Broncos giving their fans hope and then disintegrating and missing the playoffs is also sweet.
Quote from: Neil on October 04, 2009, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: PDH on October 04, 2009, 10:51:46 AM
I don't care that it is the Cowboys, I want to see Denver humiliated. Number 1 defense...
See, you're being silly. The Cowboys being humiliated today is sweet. The Broncos giving their fans hope and then disintegrating and missing the playoffs is also sweet.
I really like the way you think; about football at least. :P
Hey Neil, your boy is starting. I smell a safety.
QuoteLinebacker Tavares Gooden will not start today in the Ravens' game against the New England Patriots here at Gillette Stadium.
Gooden, who had been questionable after practicing on a limited basis last week, is dealing with a concussion and shoulder injury. Jameel McClain is slated to make his first career start for Gooden.
And, as an added bonus....crazy white boy is activated for the first time this season.
QuoteRookie linebacker/defensive end Paul Kruger, a second-round pick in April's draft, will be activated for the first time this season.
Quote from: Neil on October 04, 2009, 11:12:23 AM
See, you're being silly. The Cowboys being humiliated today is sweet. The Broncos giving their fans hope and then disintegrating and missing the playoffs is also sweet.
Perhaps, but I am too close to the source of evil, the giant eye to the south whose gaze sweeps o'er all the land and demands all bow to the power of Blue and Orange...
McClain is a safety machine. Brady is going to pay.
And PeeDee, sometimes you have to put up with some assholery in order to get a big payoff down the road.
Quote from: Vince on October 04, 2009, 10:31:55 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 04, 2009, 10:10:29 AM
I see Rapistburger is going to host a wrestling show tomorrow. Total white trash.
I'm sure it'll be worth it when Ray Lewis comes out of the crowd and nails him in the head with a steel chair.
Sad thing is, I doubt that would do any damage.
Also, enjoy the "Who gives a shit about prostate cancer" game day.
Woo!
The pink is annoying.
Quote from: Neil on October 04, 2009, 11:53:15 AM
And PeeDee, sometimes you have to put up with some assholery in order to get a big payoff down the road.
My hatred blinds me...
Brad St. Louis managed to screw up yet another FG snap. Get him the f*ck out of there & get a real longsnapper, FFS.
Derrick Mason is a fucking soldier.
And the Bungles offense still can't kick the habit of getting one penalty per set of downs.
Wish I'd known welker was playing beforehand.
Highlight reel TD catch by Chad Johnson. I think the "keep him out of the Dawg Pound" thing was scripted.
:lol: Ultimate signal to Browns fans that their team sucks: 75 yard fumble return by a stocky Bungles DE.
The only way the Ravens will win this game is if they score enough points that the league's referees can't tilt the game in favor of the Pats with bullshit calls.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 12:45:10 PM
The only way the Ravens will win this game is if they score enough points that the league's referees can't tilt the game in favor of the Pats with bullshit calls.
Waaaaaaaaahh.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 12:45:10 PM
The only way the Ravens will win this game is if they score enough points that the league's referees can't tilt the game in favor of the Pats with bullshit calls.
I'm surprised that they didn't call roughing the passer on Brady's hookslide.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 12:45:10 PM
The only way the Ravens will win this game is if they score enough points that the league's referees can't tilt the game in favor of the Pats with bullshit calls.
Flacco's arm wasn't going forward.
Shou...should we tell Flacco that Mason isn't the only receiver out there? :unsure:
The Ravens need to stop bothering to even rush the passer. The league's refs will protect the league's Most Valuable Pussy with those roughing the passer calls every chance they get. Might as well not even give them the satisfaction.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 01:25:30 PM
The Ravens need to stop bothering to even rush the passer. The league's refs will protect the league's Most Valuable Pussy with those roughing the passer calls every chance they get. Might as well not even give them the satisfaction.
:lmfao:
I notice Timmy has been wise enough not to post so far. sbr though... you're begging for a temp ban.
It's good to see the Browns score their second offensive td of the year! :lol:/ :cry:
The Raiders are looking as good as expected, aka awful. <_<
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on October 04, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
I notice Timmy has been wise enough not to post so far. sbr though... you're begging for a temp ban.
Meh, it is what it is.
The Ravens have their hands full, what with playing the Patriots and the refs at the same time.
I guess I'm going to have to downgrade the Titans. The AFC South has regressed back into the Colts' personal property.
OK, I quit.
Personal foul, unsportsmanlike conduct AGAINST THE RAVENS BENCH?
That's it. All you fucktards that still deny the collusion between the league and New England are all getting banned.
New England, enjoy your win.
Safety followed by a return td?! :bleeding: Fuck you Oakland. You're officially the worst team in the NFL now.
FUCK YOU TOM BRADY FUCK YOU
Bungles game is starting to suck. Thank God I have Seedy here to keep me entertained :)
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
Thank God I have Seedy here to keep me entertained :)
Don't you have to pick up Mike Brown's dry cleaning or something?
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
Bungles game is starting to suck. Thank God I have Seedy here to keep me entertained :)
...and by suck you mean the Browns are turning it on! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on October 04, 2009, 02:24:38 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
Bungles game is starting to suck. Thank God I have Seedy here to keep me entertained :)
...and by suck you mean the Browns are turning it on! :thumbsup:
That, plus the Bungles offense not getting a 1st down since the 1st quarter. Defense is already worn out as a result of that & the offensive turnovers. If the Browns score on this drive, it's as good as over.
And it's officially as good as over.
A consolation to Seedy & Neil should be that if the Ravens bother watching any game film from the Bungles game, they'll win by 3 TDs next week. Lewis is getting outcoached, and all the Bungles' weaknesses are being exposed.
I am not pleased today.
Flip to Bungles game: Yawn. Fucking Bungles
Flip to Ravens game: OH SWEET JESUS. FUCK ALL PATRIOTS FANS
Flip to Indy game: Manning rapes another team.
:mad:
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 04, 2009, 02:47:56 PM
Flip to Ravens game: OH SWEET JESUS. FUCK ALL PATRIOTS FANS
Ravens are keeping it respectable, despite being outnumbered by 7 on every play.
Brodney Pool! Woooooo!
Edit: Silly radio announcers. :rolleyes: Shaun Rogers! Wooooo!
FFS GET RID OF BRAD ST. LOUIS NOW.
I blame those fucking pink hats and shoes.
20-20 Bungles-Browns heading to OT. It would over with a 24-20 Bungles win were it not for the Bungles' sad excuse for a longsnapper.
I don't get it. He was solid his entire career until the 2nd or 3rd preseason game..
And if Sprint doesn't stop featuring the Steelers in their TV ads, I'm moving to Verizon <_<
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 03:12:03 PM
And if Sprint doesn't stop featuring the Steelers in their TV ads, I'm moving to Verizon <_<
Ah, the cunt in the steelers jersey calling everybody on the network to smack talk?
I view it as a subtle commentary on the typical classless steeler fan. :whistle:
Well, shit.
Well, they had a chance.
Woops.
Still, who will wear the horns for this one? Carr's fumble turned out to be absolutely critical. Clayton dropped an easy pass that would have put the Ravens in range to score. Harbaugh wasted his challenges, but that didn't matter.
Ultimately, the refs are to blame, of course.
Quote from: Neil on October 04, 2009, 03:28:22 PM
Well, they had a chance.
Yup. Despite all the bullshit, they put themselves in the position to win the game. Can't ask for more than that.
Quote from: Neil on October 04, 2009, 03:32:54 PM
Ultimately, the refs are to blame, of course.
lol, my brother-in-law called me, and asked me why Brady can get roughing the passer calls, but when somebody leads with the crown of their helmet into the QB, like the play Jared Gaither got hurt on, it doesn't get called.
Easy. Joe Flacco is not Tom Brady. That's basic Football 101.
Flacco was a better QB than Brady today though, even with the game on his shoulders.
Damned Bengals, their announcers are trying to steal the Cardiac Kids name from the Browns. Bastards. :mad:
Finally. I can take the garbage out now.
:( Damn.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 03:33:09 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 04, 2009, 03:28:22 PM
Well, they had a chance.
Yup. Despite all the bullshit, they put themselves in the position to win the game. Can't ask for more than that.
Well, actually, you can ask them to win. Steelers have put themselves in a position to win the last couple weeks, and where has that got them. :lmfao:
Heh, not the dominating win the Bungles needed to leaad into next week vs the Ravens but I'll take it.
I wonder: will the Bears fans finally stop bitching about Cutler? He's only a quality franchise QB, s'all.
Don't want to listen to me, listen to all around Ravens-hating NFL columnist Mike Preston:
QuoteIt was a bad day for NFL officiating
Except for middle linebacker Ray Lewis, most of the Ravens didn't want to criticize the officiating, so I will. I've been covering the NFL since 1987, and no one will ever accuse me of being a Ravens' homer, but this was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. Yes, the Ravens got hosed, to make it plain and simple. They didn't get any good spots on short yardage situations either on offense or defense.
I guess in the Boston and Foxborough areas, it's illegal to get within the same zip code of New England quarterback Tom Brady without drawing a roughing the quarterback penalty. It's even worse when Brady is gesturing to the official to throw the flag and then the official throws it, which draws laughter from Brady.
That really looks bad, or as Lewis says, "it's embarrassing to the league."
Lewis went off in the locker room for about five minutes after the game about the officiating.
The segment will be played repeatedly for the next couple of days, and the Ravens and Lewis will be blamed for having sour grapes. But that's not the case. Lewis will also be fined but I suggest the NFL review the tapes, and then start handing out fines to some of the officials for missed calls. It was a bad day for the NFL.
INCOMING! FINES IN THE HOLE!
QuoteFOXBOROUGH -- While there was excitement in the Patriots locker room following their 27-21 win over the Ravens, some Baltimore players questioned the officating of Ron Winter and his crew.
"Without totally going off the wall here, it is embarrassing to the game," linebacker Ray Lewis said. "[Tom] Brady is good enough to make his own plays, let him make the play. When you have two great teams that are going at it, let them go at it. Both of their touchdown drives had personal fouls that kept drives alive. Did that win or lose the game? No, but it got them 14 points."
After expressing frustration at the NFL's roughing the passer rules, safety Ed Reed was asked this thoughts on some of the spots that the Ravens received on close plays.
"Terrible," Reed told reporters. "Nothing to take away from anybody else's job, but at some point, we have to be better about that. This game has evolved too much not to precise when there is a spot, when there is a penalty, when anything is going on on this field. We're too smart as human beings.
"The history of the game -- from where it's been to where it's come to -- to not be precise ... This is a game of inches. This has been a game of inches for years. Now you're putting one person in charge, or two people in charge [of spotting the ball], and they're making things bad. I swear it felt like 2007 almost, when we played the Patriots at home. They don't need no help. They're a great team. They don't need any help from anybody. We don't need any help from anybody. We definitely don't need anyone taking it away from us."
Asked his biggest gripe, Reed said: "It just felt like everything was kind of all over again. You hate to come into a game where you have to play against a team and the officials. Like I said, nothing to take away from their team, nothing to take away from the officials. We have to help each other out in a way to where it's near as perfect as we can be. Like I said, it's a game of inches. We have too much going on with this game, from where it's come to in 2009, 2010, to say we can't be a little bit more precise with things."
Reed was specifically referring to Willis McGahee's fourth-and-1 run in the fourth quarter in which he was stopped for no gain, and the Patriots' fake field goal in the fourth quarter.
"When Willis had his fourth-down try, it probably wouldn't have been a first [down], but it probably should have been a little closer," he said. "The [Patriots'] spots, the guy stepped out of bounds. Even though we got the penalty on that fourth down when they faked the field goal, the guy stepped out and he reached the ball. Cetain things like that. Like I said, you have to play the game."
The Ravens were flagged for nine accepted penalties for 85 yards. The Patriots were flagged for five accepted penalties for 41 yards.
Hey Neil,
QuoteLB Brendon Ayanbadejo said he has torn quadricep. He doesn't know if it's season ending.
Jared Gaither's X-rays were negative, but they'll follow up with tests tomorrow. Apparently, he was too big for Mass General's MRI machine.
I can't decide if the Broncos defense is decent or the Girls offense is mediocre.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 05:03:28 PM
Don't want to listen to me, listen to all around Ravens-hating NFL columnist Mike Preston:
QuoteIt was a bad day for NFL officiating
Except for middle linebacker Ray Lewis, most of the Ravens didn't want to criticize the officiating, so I will. I've been covering the NFL since 1987, and no one will ever accuse me of being a Ravens' homer, but this was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. Yes, the Ravens got hosed, to make it plain and simple. They didn't get any good spots on short yardage situations either on offense or defense.
I guess in the Boston and Foxborough areas, it's illegal to get within the same zip code of New England quarterback Tom Brady without drawing a roughing the quarterback penalty. It's even worse when Brady is gesturing to the official to throw the flag and then the official throws it, which draws laughter from Brady.
That really looks bad, or as Lewis says, "it's embarrassing to the league."
Lewis went off in the locker room for about five minutes after the game about the officiating.
The segment will be played repeatedly for the next couple of days, and the Ravens and Lewis will be blamed for having sour grapes. But that's not the case. Lewis will also be fined but I suggest the NFL review the tapes, and then start handing out fines to some of the officials for missed calls. It was a bad day for the NFL.
It's ok. Look on the brightside, if people complain loud enough and often enough than chances are the officiating will be watched closely if there is a rematch with the Pats in the playoffs.
So, maybe this can turn out to be a good thing. :hug:
Easy there Steelers boy, the last thing you want is impartial officiating. :contract:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 05:33:59 PM
Hey Neil,
QuoteLB Brendon Ayanbadejo said he has torn quadricep. He doesn't know if it's season ending.
Jared Gaither's X-rays were negative, but they'll follow up with tests tomorrow. Apparently, he was too big for Mass General's MRI machine.
I find that surprising, given that your average Masshole is a fat piece of shit.
Still, thank heaven that Gaither is intact. Hopefully, he'll be back soon. He's been a big contributor. Ayanbadejo is also a huge loss. Hopefully he'll be back in time for the playoffs. And Lewis is right to keep after the corruption in the NFL.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 05:03:28 PM
Don't want to listen to me, listen to all around Ravens-hating NFL columnist Mike Preston:
QuoteIt was a bad day for NFL officiating
Except for middle linebacker Ray Lewis, most of the Ravens didn't want to criticize the officiating, so I will. I've been covering the NFL since 1987, and no one will ever accuse me of being a Ravens' homer, but this was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. Yes, the Ravens got hosed, to make it plain and simple. They didn't get any good spots on short yardage situations either on offense or defense.
I guess in the Boston and Foxborough areas, it's illegal to get within the same zip code of New England quarterback Tom Brady without drawing a roughing the quarterback penalty. It's even worse when Brady is gesturing to the official to throw the flag and then the official throws it, which draws laughter from Brady.
That really looks bad, or as Lewis says, "it's embarrassing to the league."
Lewis went off in the locker room for about five minutes after the game about the officiating.
The segment will be played repeatedly for the next couple of days, and the Ravens and Lewis will be blamed for having sour grapes. But that's not the case. Lewis will also be fined but I suggest the NFL review the tapes, and then start handing out fines to some of the officials for missed calls. It was a bad day for the NFL.
Just out of curiosity, what publication does Mr. Preston write for?
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 05:03:28 PM
Don't want to listen to me, listen to all around Ravens-hating NFL columnist Mike Preston:
QuoteIt was a bad day for NFL officiating
Except for middle linebacker Ray Lewis, most of the Ravens didn't want to criticize the officiating, so I will. I've been covering the NFL since 1987, and no one will ever accuse me of being a Ravens' homer, but this was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. Yes, the Ravens got hosed, to make it plain and simple. They didn't get any good spots on short yardage situations either on offense or defense.
I guess in the Boston and Foxborough areas, it's illegal to get within the same zip code of New England quarterback Tom Brady without drawing a roughing the quarterback penalty. It's even worse when Brady is gesturing to the official to throw the flag and then the official throws it, which draws laughter from Brady.
That really looks bad, or as Lewis says, "it's embarrassing to the league."
Lewis went off in the locker room for about five minutes after the game about the officiating.
The segment will be played repeatedly for the next couple of days, and the Ravens and Lewis will be blamed for having sour grapes. But that's not the case. Lewis will also be fined but I suggest the NFL review the tapes, and then start handing out fines to some of the officials for missed calls. It was a bad day for the NFL.
Just out of curiosity, what publication does Mr. Preston write for?
My Google machine says the Baltimore Sun.
LOL. Dallas got Romoed.
Holy crap, the Broncos are 4-0. Maybe Orton is a good luck charm or something.
Pretty generous T&A on the new Peyton commercial.
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 06:16:24 PM
My Google machine says the Baltimore Sun.
Interesting. Wonder why Seedy neglected to mention that small bit of info.
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 06:14:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, what publication does Mr. Preston write for?
The Sun, but he gets more hate mail than the Indianapolis Colts.
Came crashing back to earth this week. 3-9 on my picks against the spread so far, I did overthink things and got a little too cute on some of them. Picked too many road underdogs. Oh well, hopefully I can go 1-1 on the lawst two games and stay above .500.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 06:28:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 06:14:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, what publication does Mr. Preston write for?
The Sun, but he gets more hate mail than the Indianapolis Colts.
So he's one of those "tough love" local sports guys that still circles the wagons when the chips are down. We have those here, too.
Too bad you've cried wolf so many times about the NFL hating you & officials cheating you-- otherwise I might take you seriously :P
You better be right, Neil, the Bronco's fans are going to be insufferable tomorrow. I hate them...
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 06:33:16 PMSo he's one of those "tough love" local sports guys that still circles the wagons when the chips are down. We have those here, too.
Actually, he's a racist and hates all white Ravens players.
QuoteToo bad you've cried wolf so many times about the NFL hating you & officials cheating you-- otherwise I might take you seriously :P
I don't have to "cry wolf", as history speaks for itself.
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 06:33:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 06:28:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 06:14:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, what publication does Mr. Preston write for?
The Sun, but he gets more hate mail than the Indianapolis Colts.
So he's one of those "tough love" local sports guys that still circles the wagons when the chips are down. We have those here, too.
Too bad you've cried wolf so many times about the NFL hating you & officials cheating you-- otherwise I might take you seriously :P
Brady did seem to have a magic bubble around him.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 06:34:24 PM
I don't have to "cry wolf", as history speaks for itself.
Pffft... the Ravens have a long way to go to match the Raiders.
:lol:
its alwas fun to log into languish after raven loss.
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 06:33:16 PM
Too bad you've cried wolf so many times about the NFL hating you & officials cheating you-- otherwise I might take you seriously :P
This is my outlook too. I didn't get to see much of the game today, and didn't see any of the questionable calls, but when someone still bitches about calls that happened 8 years ago (Tuck Rule among others) they lose any credibility they might have in what actually happened today.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on October 04, 2009, 06:37:17 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 06:34:24 PM
I don't have to "cry wolf", as history speaks for itself.
Pffft... the Ravens have a long way to go to match the Raiders.
Fuck you. I lived through the '70s, when it all went the Raiders' way. So you and your Holy Roller can suck my cock.
Quote from: katmai on October 04, 2009, 06:37:29 PM
:lol:
its alwas fun to log into languish after raven loss.
They would be undefeated for the past 9 years were it not for cheating refs.
Quote from: katmai on October 04, 2009, 06:37:29 PM
:lol:
its alwas fun to log into languish after raven loss.
I'm pissed that brady is still breathing. :mad:
So far I'm 10-2 straight up, 9-3 against the spread.
Quote from: sbr on October 04, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
but when someone still bitches about calls that happened 8 years ago (Tuck Rule among others) they lose any credibility they might have in what actually happened today.
I mentioned the "Tuck Rule" after Santonio "the ball did not cross the plane but that's OK" Holmes' TD because it was the exact same referee. I use: statutory evidence.
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 06:39:31 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 04, 2009, 06:37:29 PM
:lol:
its alwas fun to log into languish after raven loss.
They would be undefeated for the past 9 years were it not for cheating refs.
"Hmmm, we need to keep this Patriots drive alive. Eureka! I've got it! PERSONAL FOUL, UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT, RAVENS BENCH, 15 YARDS, FIRST DOWN"I mean, really now...I've seen Ditka throw clipboards in conversations with refs, I've seen Bill Cowher physically assault a ref with a photograph by trying to stuff it down his shirt...but I've never seen a call like that, all because Harbaugh said it was a bullshit call.
Seedy and I are simply establishing a pattern of violations by bringing up past blown or artificial calls. This proves that it isn't simply a one time occurrence, but a continuing and premeditated plan by the NFL to dick over certain teams and to promote certain teams. If we only gave evidence from the latest game, you would then in turn claim that there is no precedent and it was simply bad luck in one game. You cannot have it both ways sir.
I do have to say that it looks like Flacco played another good game. I have been impressed with him, I expected a down season from him but he seems to be the real deal. :)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 06:33:16 PMSo he's one of those "tough love" local sports guys that still circles the wagons when the chips are down. We have those here, too.
Actually, he's a racist and hates all white Ravens players.
He must have been absolutely furious when Flacco turned out to be Football Jesus, screwing up Troy Smith's chance to be Baltimore's latest mediocre quarterback.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 04, 2009, 06:35:02 PMBrady did seem to have a magic bubble around him.
What with being an objective observer and all, you obviously have an agenda that does not fit in the Greater Marketing Plan(tm) of the National Football League. That's not allowed around here.
Quote from: Neil on October 04, 2009, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 04, 2009, 06:33:16 PMSo he's one of those "tough love" local sports guys that still circles the wagons when the chips are down. We have those here, too.
Actually, he's a racist and hates all white Ravens players.
He must have been absolutely furious when Flacco turned out to be Football Jesus, screwing up Troy Smith's chance to be Baltimore's latest mediocre quarterback.
Yeah, he never fails to mention how Troy Smith's chances to be a starting QB here were totally smashed by a quirk of fate.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 06:43:13 PM
but I've never seen a call like that, all because Harbaugh said it was a bullshit call.
But you heard it on TV, and so the NFL had to enforce the 'no criticism' rule.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 06:47:20 PM
Yeah, he never fails to mention how Troy Smith's chances to be a starting QB here were totally smashed by a quirk of fate.
Well, if it's any consolation, he wouldn't have started for long. Ohio State players suck.
NFL Network's saying Matt Stafford had a dislocated knee cap. Poor Lions can't buy a break.
Ouch. It's rather disconcerting to look down and see that your knee is in the wrong place.
If there's any consolation to be taken today, it's the Other Media Darling Team O' The Week, the Jets, took a loss today. Boo fucking hoo.
I would like to take this opportunity to salute the mighty Washington Redskins for their glorious second half rally against the awesome juggernaut that is the Tampa Bay defense. They also only had one of their two PATs blocked!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 07:42:56 PM
If there's any consolation to be taken today, it's the Other Media Darling Team O' The Week, the Jets, took a loss today. Boo fucking hoo.
You know, I like the Jets and want the best for them, but the media frenzy deserved to have them taken down a peg.
Interesting. Godboy Dungy said T-Sizzle's grazing of Brady's knee was a bad call. Imagine that.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 09:00:36 PM
Interesting. Godboy Dungy said T-Sizzle's grazing of Brady's knee was a bad call. Imagine that.
I wonder if the league will fine NBC?
Where are the Steeler haters?
*listens to the crickets chirping*
And with Detroit and Cleveland on the way a 4-2 start isn't that bad a thing. :)
Quote from: Strix on October 04, 2009, 09:19:15 PM
Where are the Steeler haters?
Everybody hates the Steelers, except for the bandwagon folks. Therefore, they are everywhere.
Quote from: Strix on October 04, 2009, 09:19:15 PM
Where are the Steeler haters?
*listens to the crickets chirping*
It's about time the real Steelers showed up for this season.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 09:39:17 PM
Quote from: Strix on October 04, 2009, 09:19:15 PM
Where are the Steeler haters?
*listens to the crickets chirping*
It's about time the real Steelers showed up for this season.
Well, I was impressed by their victory over the Titans. Until I realized that the Titans are terrible and utterly without merit.
QuoteTalk may not be cheap for Ravens' Lewis
Facing possible fines, linebacker seems ready to put his money where his mouth is
9:33 PM EDT, October 4, 2009
FOXBOROUGH, Mass.
There is a certain etiquette that usually prevails in the NFL post-game environment, where one of the first rules is to avoid any criticism of the officiating no matter how egregious and arbitrary it might have seemed.
The price for breaking that rule can be pretty high. The league doesn't take kindly to anything that might cast doubt upon the integrity of the game and its officials, and is quick to levy stiff fines on players and coaches who vent about the questionable calls that might or might not have cost them a game.
Apparently, Ray Lewis can afford to express his opinion, because it didn't take him long to warm up his checkbook Sunday.
"It's embarrassing," he said.
"Amen," said one of his teammates, who just happened to be walking by at the time.
Lewis was referring to the pair of roughing calls that helped New England quarterback Tom Brady drive for two first-half touchdowns in the Patriots' 27-21 victory at Gillette Stadium. The NFL seems to increase the emphasis on protecting the quarterback every season, but after Terrell Suggs was called for brushing past Brady's legs in the second quarter -- a penalty that kept the Patriots out of a third-and-long situation -- the Ravens' defensive leader could not hold his tongue any longer.
"They [the quarterbacks] even know it," Lewis said. "'If you get close to me, I can look for a penalty.' Did that win or lose the game? No, but it damned sure helped them score 14 points."
Clearly, Lewis had an agenda. This wasn't some spontaneous outburst. It almost seemed as if he met after the game with his defensive teammates and formulated an official response to both the events of the afternoon in Foxborough and the NFL's evolving quarterback protection policy.
He was the spokesman, but you could tell by the comments of Suggs and some of the other defensive players that Lewis definitely was speaking for the group when he complained that the protective pendulum has swung too far in favor of the league's top quarterbacks -- and particularly the highly popular Brady.
"Maybe next year it'll be two-hand touch to get a sack," Suggs said during the post-game news conference.
It wasn't the first time Suggs took a costly flag for a glancing blow. He got called for a game-altering head shot during last season's game against Tennessee, even though he was swatting at the ball and his hand barely glanced off the helmet of Titans quarterback Kerry Collins.
"People work too hard for that," Lewis said, "and the embarrassing part about it is you see it constantly, constantly every week. ... Every man puts his pants on the same way. I've got kids just like Brady has kids. Everybody has kids. Treat it with some respect.
"It's embarrassing to even keep the momentum going like that when we go three and out and then we stop them and then you look back and see a flag for a personal foul and Tom Brady is laughing. It wasn't no personal foul if he's still smiling."
To be fair, an earlier call on Haloti Ngata was legit. He clubbed Brady in the head at the end of a rush and got rung up for the first costly personal foul. And the Patriots were called once for roughing Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco.
Still, Lewis kept coming back to that same word -- "embarrassing." I wouldn't be surprised if he puts that on the memo line of the check he writes out to pay for his opinion.
"This ain't touch football," added safety Ed Reed, who stopped to listen to Lewis' diatribe. "This ain't tag."
There were also a number of questionable calls and unfavorable ball spots over the course of the game. The Ravens got called for offensive pass interference when Derrick Mason faked inside and made contact with a defender before turning out for a big catch.
When a Patriots receiver pulled almost the identical move on Ravens cornerback Chris Carr earlier in the third quarter, Carr was called for illegal contact.
It was that call that got coach John Harbaugh a 15-yard unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty for barking at the officials from the sideline.
Harbaugh kept his post-game opinion to himself, citing the league rules against publicly questioning the officials. Lewis apparently had a few thousand dollars burning a hole in his pocket.
"I just look at it as a great game with two great teams going at it out there," Lewis said. "Let the players go out there and decide the game."
Quote from: Neil on October 04, 2009, 09:50:13 PM
Well, I was impressed by their victory over the Titans. Until I realized that the Titans are terrible and utterly without merit.
The Steelheads just gave up the most punk TD in the history of punk TDs. I LOL'd.
SD really coming back...
Doubtful, not enough time.
IF their defense could have done anything. ( That's my fantasy football defense. ^_^ )
Well the Jets defense did great holding the Saints offense to 3 points till the end of the 4th quarter. Sanchez got the shit kicked out of him and made a few rookie mistakes.
Still they made it through the toughest part of their schedule 3-1 so let's see if they can keep this play up for the rest of the season.
No comments about this MNF game?
:)
Good first half.
Quote from: Barrister on October 05, 2009, 10:25:09 PM
No comments about this MNF game?
:)
I got tired of hearing people say this was the biggest,most important MNF game EVER!!!. I am boycotting it.
Quote from: sbr on October 05, 2009, 10:43:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 05, 2009, 10:25:09 PM
No comments about this MNF game?
:)
I got tired of hearing people say this was the biggest,most important MNF game EVER!!!. I am boycotting it.
You have to expect that with MNF, no matter who is playing.
Even I am getting annoyed by the Favre verbal blow-jobs. But he's doing a real nice job.
Really hoping on this field goal, down by 2 to Neil and im playing Crosby.
That field goal puts me up by 1 :lol:
The pink accessories clashed with the uniforms.
2 and 2 on my picks. I am: Captain 500.
The Vikings D just won me another game. Go Allen!
QuoteRavens frequently flagged for roughing the passer
Officials seem especially quick to penalize team for aggressive play
The questionable roughing-the-passer penalties in the Ravens' 27-21 loss Sunday to the New England Patriots have spurred a national debate on whether Tom Brady is being overprotected by officials.
But there is another issue: Are the Ravens being overscrutinized?
Through the first quarter of the season, the Ravens have been penalized four times for roughing the quarterback. In contrast, the rest of the AFC North (the Pittsburgh Steelers, Cincinnati Bengals and Cleveland Browns) has been flagged a combined two times for that penalty.
Asked whether the Ravens' aggressive reputation has drawn more attention from officials, Harbaugh said: "I sure hope not. That goes back to the credibility of the league and the credibility of the game. I know Joe [Flacco] got hit five different times during the game hard, and there was one call. Tom [Brady] didn't get hit five times - and we wanted him to be hit more - but when he sort of got hit, it was called. That goes to the credibility."
In the first quarter, defensive tackle Haloti Ngata was flagged after his left arm hit the side of Brady's helmet, allowing the Patriots to convert a third-and-9. In the second quarter, the right shoulder of a diving Terrell Suggs grazed the right leg of Brady, helping New England convert a second-and-11.
The Ravens have submitted "plays and questionable calls" to the NFL for review, according to Harbaugh.
"The bottom line is this: As a coach in this league or a player in this league or a fan of the league, the expectation of the officiating is that it's fair and it's consistent," Harbaugh said. "To me, that's a reasonable expectation. I know the league agrees with that because the league chases that."
It was a year ago Monday when a roughing-the-passer call against the Tennessee Titans led to a 13-10 Ravens loss. After the game, Suggs said officials look at the Ravens closer than other teams, saying, "We're the bad boys of football."
Asked after Sunday's loss whether the Ravens' image has led to more penalties, Suggs said: "Kind of. We are a very physical defense. I can't say whether it does or whether it doesn't."
The Ravens' relationship with officials has been contentious over the years.
During a 21-penalty game in Detroit in 2005, Suggs had a face-to-face argument with a referee after a roughing-the-passer penalty and was ejected.
Two seasons ago against the Patriots, linebacker Bart Scott was fined $25,000 for verbally abusing game officials and throwing an official's flag into the stands near the end of the Ravens' 27-24 loss.
"There is a reputation," linebacker Jarret Johnson said. "It's tough to sit here and go, 'Yeah, these guys are looking at us differently than they look at other teams.' I wouldn't say that. But who knows?"
This year's personal fouls have struck a painful chord. Of eight touchdowns allowed by the Ravens' defense, three drives have been spurred by roughing penalties.
The severity of the repercussions can affect the aggressiveness of the Ravens' pass rushers.
"I have had two sacks where I've run up to a quarterback and the only thing I'm thinking is: Don't hit him in the wrong spot," said Johnson, who was called for roughing the passer in the season opener. "It does bother me when you're thinking about that when you play. It's just the league we play.
"It's crazy out there. You talk trash. You're hyper-aggressive. And then, at a certain point, you got to let up. That's what is tough about it."
Defensive end Trevor Pryce, who was flagged for roughing in Week 2 at San Diego, said contact with the quarterback is sometimes unavoidable.
"It's hard to stop running toward the quarterback in full stride. It is almost impossible," Pryce said. "Quarterbacks know what they're doing. Quarterbacks bait us. They know they're going to get hit, and all of a sudden they flop down."
The Ravens aren't the only ones questioning Sunday's calls against Suggs and Ngata.
The hit by Suggs "was not enough force to make this call," said Tony Dungy, the former Indianapolis Colts coach who is now an NBC studio analyst. "This was an overreaction to Tom getting hurt last year."
According to Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13 of the NFL rule book, a rushing defender is prohibited from "forcibly" hitting the knee area or below.
After the game, Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis repeatedly called the pair of roughing calls "embarrassing." Suggs suggested there was favoritism to protect some quarterbacks and said, "maybe next year, it'll be two-hand touch" to get a sack.
An NFL spokesman said Monday that the league isn't discussing the Ravens' comments "at this point."
Said Lewis: "You look at the replay, and he's barely touched. He's a man. They [quarterbacks] can be hit just like us."
So this week I ended up 12-2 straight up, 9-3 vs. the spread.
So I take that this Tom Brady fellow is the Christiano Ronaldo of the NFL?
Quote from: Tamas on October 06, 2009, 06:28:15 AM
So I take that this Tom Brady fellow is the Christiano Ronaldo of the NFL?
Except that Tom Brady has played brilliantly in his four Super Bowls whereas Ronaldo sucked ass in the 2006 World Cup.
Quote from: Tamas on October 06, 2009, 06:28:15 AM
So I take that this Tom Brady fellow is the Christiano Ronaldo of the NFL?
He's more like the entire Italian League.
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2009, 07:49:37 AM
Quote from: Tamas on October 06, 2009, 06:28:15 AM
So I take that this Tom Brady fellow is the Christiano Ronaldo of the NFL?
Except that Tom Brady has played brilliantly in his four Super Bowls whereas Ronaldo sucked ass in the 2006 World Cup.
All that cheating really made him look good, didn't it?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 04, 2009, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on October 04, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
I notice Timmy has been wise enough not to post so far. sbr though... you're begging for a temp ban.
Meh, it is what it is.
The Ravens have their hands full, what with playing the Patriots and the refs at the same time.
Ravens are a good team; they should have won Sunday. They'll be in the play offs, and even though I'm a Pats fan, I'm not betting that they'll be in the playoffs, unless they improve their over all play. That might be happening, as both the passing and rushing games seem to be improving, so we'll see.
As for the roughing the passer calls, I can understand that the rules say the defender can't touch a QB's helmet or go below the waist. Both times that happened, with the rules having been tightened this year I think? But that's tough if it's just incidental touching. These rules are going to affect every pass rush, every team, this year. Going to be tricky, and likely should make the passing game easier for some QBs.
Rush Limbaugh to join the NFL, continue his fight against quaterbacks who are over-rated by the media because they are black:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4535583
The NFL isn't going to fine Ray Lewis, or any of the Ravens. Hillarious.
Quote from: Neil on October 06, 2009, 07:03:39 PM
The NFL isn't going to fine Ray Lewis, or any of the Ravens. Hillarious.
Huh? Wow they totally wimped on that one. What was the excuse? 'The Ravens are right'?
Quote from: Valmy on October 06, 2009, 07:04:35 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 06, 2009, 07:03:39 PM
The NFL isn't going to fine Ray Lewis, or any of the Ravens. Hillarious.
Huh? Wow they totally wimped on that one. What was the excuse? 'The Ravens are right'?
No excuse given. 'No fines are warranted'. Which means that the Ravens are right, and the Patriots and their fans should kill themselves.
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE
QuoteNo fines for Ravens
NFL executive Ray Anderson said Tuesday the comments made by the Ravens after the New England game did not warrant fines.
Several Ravens were critical of the officials following their 27-21 loss at the Patriots on Sunday. Middle linebacker Ray Lewis repeatedly said the roughing-the-passer penalties were "embarrassing." Outside linebacker Terrell Suggs insinuated that the officials protect Tom Brady more than other quarterbacks. And safety Ed Reed disputed how the officials spotted the ball throughout the game.
COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE BIASED TOWARDS RAVENS!!!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 06, 2009, 07:36:11 PM
COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE BIASED TOWARDS RAVENS!!!
:P Fuck you. YOU CANT HIDE THE TRUUF.
Derspiess' favorite dazzling urbanite starts the smack already.
QuoteTwitter tiff
Less than 24 hours after Sunday's 27-21 loss to the New England Patriots, the Ravens began preparing for a Sunday visit from the Cincinnati Bengals in a potentially significant showdown for AFC North supremacy.
And at about that time, Bengals wide receiver Chad Ochocinco began poking the Ravens via Twitter. Ochocinco, whose Twitter account is named OGOchoCinco, fired the first salvo at cornerbacks Fabian Washington and Domonique Foxworth. While Foxworth has stayed silent, Washington has not been as generous.
Here is the exchange between players listed chronologically:
Chad Ochocinco (OGOchoCinco) to Fabian Washington (FABEWASH31) at about 10:30 p.m. Monday night: "bruh you in trouble Sunday, you gone kiss da baby, this ain't a threat it's a promise. I'm shutting the front door on you!!!!!"
Ochocinco to Domonique Foxworth (Foxworth24): "cmon son, how you cover me with a last name like fox<---you ain't Vivica son! It's on Sunday,I'm not being cocky, i'm that good!"
Washington to Ochocinco: "trust me home boy it's going down. Believe dat"
Ochocinco to Washington: "don't do that, don't talk back son, know yo competition son, this ain't madden, you really hit to see me"
Ochocinco to Washington: "tell Vivica Foxworth he better just sit this game out!!!"
Washington to Ochocinco: "this water running up hill. Str8 pressure"
Ochocinco to Washington: "huh!!! Shut the front door!! You betta pray you got help every down, watch the clevland film, 2 man every down<---WTF!!!"
Washington to Ochocinco: "really if u watched the film u can c I had no help. But good night it's past my bed time"
Ochocinco to Washington: "bed time, you ain't gonna be able to rest, cmon son, have a dream like Martin Luther king son you will get embarassed Sunday"
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on October 04, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
I notice Timmy has been wise enough not to post so far. sbr though... you're begging for a temp ban.
It's good to see the Browns score their second offensive td of the year! :lol:/ :cry:
The Raiders are looking as good as expected, aka awful. <_<
I was at the airport, savoring the lamentations of the uncle of back up saftey Nakamura. His tears were delicious. :mmm:
And there goes Timmy again. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.zaazu.com%2Fimg%2Fbye-bye-male-smiley-smiley-emoticon-000291-large.gif&hash=5b141af2479647930b74f4ce88cc01e07e6b868e)
Not sure if it was posted but nugent got cut.
QuoteAgent: Former Raven Tony Fein dead
Linebacker, cut in training camp, dies in Washington state; no details immediately available
By Jamison Hensley | jamison.hensley@baltsun.com
11:56 PM EDT, October 6, 2009
Tony Fein, who was a member of the Ravens during the preseason and was an Iraqi War veteran, died Tuesday morning in Port Orchard, Wash., according to his agent.
There were no immediate details about his death, agent Milton D. Hobbs said.
"It's a very sad situation," Hobbs told The Baltimore Sun on Tuesday night. "I am still trying to figure out what happened."
Fein, 27, was an undrafted rookie free agent who was released by the Ravens in their final major cutdown on Sept. 5.
Although old for a rookie, Fein, at 6-foot-2, 245 pounds, caught the eyes of scouts at Mississippi's Pro Day, where the school's football players audition for scouts before the NFL draft.
While with the Ravens, Fein was arrested on Aug. 23 and was charged with misdemeanor assault on a police officer stemming from an incident at an Inner Harbor restaurant.
Security officers notified police about a group of men passing around a large, silver object suspected of being a firearm, but which turned out to be a cellular phone, police said.
When officers approached the group of men, who were seated at a counter, they demanded that Fein stand up, but he refused, according to a police report.
When Fein stood up after being asked to do so for a second time, police said he shoved an officer in the chest and was immediately arrested.
Fein was not in possession of a handgun, according to police. The cellular phone that security spotted was large, square and metallic.
Before joining the Ravens, Fein served for a year in Iraq as a 19 Delta recon scout. He has also been shot at and had to deal with roadside bombs, he said.
Fein is a native of Port Orchard, which is nine miles outside of Seattle, and was working out there while awaiting another shot at playing football, his agent said.
And then the plot thickens.
QuoteFein was due in Baltimore court Wednesday morning for his first court appearance.
Quote from: JacobL on October 06, 2009, 11:40:20 PM
Not sure if it was posted but nugent got cut.
Hunting accident? :huh:
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Just reported per ESPN the Jets traded Chansi Stuckey, a 3rd and a 5th for Braylon Edwards.
Well that's good for my Fantasy Team.
I'm shocked the jets didn't try to pawn off Gholston on the Browns.
Vernon, you should have stayed in school.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 07, 2009, 03:07:06 PM
I'm shocked the jets didn't try to pawn off Gholston on the Browns.
Vernon, you should have stayed in school.
Not even the Browns are that stupid.
No, Gholston will be a Jet for a while longer, but after that he'll go to his true home: The Silver and Black.
Crabtree signed 6 yr deal with Niners
Quote from: katmai on October 07, 2009, 04:09:24 PM
Crabtree signed 6 yr deal with Niners
With MC Hammer in tow.
Quote from: katmai on October 07, 2009, 04:09:24 PM
Crabtree signed 6 yr deal with Niners
:lol:
I so want him to suck.
Hey Neil, I ran into Marshal Yanda at the Sunoco this afternoon. He was buying a shitload of Skoal.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 07, 2009, 05:22:11 PM
Hey Neil, I ran into Marshal Yanda at the Sunoco this afternoon. He was buying a shitload of Skoal.
:lol:
He's a country boy alright.
Quote that made me chuckle about the Braylon Edwards trade: "Braylon Edwards has been traded to New York, apparently they needed someone to drop the ball for New Years."
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on October 07, 2009, 08:51:43 PM
Quote that made me chuckle about the Braylon Edwards trade: "Braylon Edwards has been traded to New York, apparently they needed someone to drop the ball for New Years."
Lulz.
I'm wondering how the Jets managed to figure out how Edwards--who had a scuffle the other night and can't apparently handle Cleveland's nightclub scene--will somehow be able to handle New York's nightlife.
Sheridan Line from Vegas:
Edwards punches a chick at a club: 5 to 1
Edwards gets drunk, tries to run over a traffic enforcement officer: 3 to 1
Edwards drops a pistol, shoots himself: Push
Going somewhere new will probably improve Edwards' game. He'll be leaving behind a goofy coach who's lost the team, a starting QB who is wildly inconsistent, a 1st round backup QB whose arm can get the ball out to about eight yards, and a team that's going nowhere. Not to mention the Browns front office.
VINDICATED
QuoteRavens' officiating disputes resolved
NFL doesn't fine team for criticisms of Patriots game
When the smoke finally cleared Wednesday on the brouhaha over the officiating in the Ravens- New England Patriots game, the Ravens got a measure of vindication, if not exactly the last word.
There will be no fines, which is a point for the Ravens.
Neither will there be any I-told-you-so's, which is coach John Harbaugh's way of ensuring a truce with the officials.
"It was back and forth," Harbaugh said of a two-day dialogue with NFL officials. "They confirmed everything, and we're not allowed to talk about any of that stuff. It's between the league and the team. And it's an opportunity for us to understand better, for them to understand better. When it's all said and done, we get better, the officiating gets better; that's all part of the process."
In the wake of a 27-21 loss to the Patriots, the Ravens were upset with where the ball was spotted on a number of occasions and with two personal foul, roughing-the passer penalties that appeared to give special consideration to quarterback Tom Brady. After suggesting the fouls were "embarrassing to the game," linebacker Ray Lewis escaped a fine for criticizing officials.
"It's a respect factor," Lewis said Wednesday about the absence of any fines. "Our league does a great job of controlling the outcomes of games and what goes on in between the lines. You can never discredit that. I think they understood where we were coming from. I think there is a great level of respect from both sides."
Ron Winter's officiating crew flagged the Ravens for nine penalties worth 85 yards. The Ravens had been penalized a total of 20 times in their first three games.
Nice. Now if only the Raiders could do that. <_<
Quote from: Neil on October 07, 2009, 09:52:55 PM
Going somewhere new will probably improve Edwards' game. He'll be leaving behind a goofy coach who's lost the team, a starting QB who is wildly inconsistent, a 1st round backup QB whose arm can get the ball out to about eight yards, and a team that's going nowhere. Not to mention the Browns front office.
Except he'll still keep dropping passes when the pressure is on. He needed to break one of his two left thumbs when he punched the guy.