An interesting, though very long article by the New York Times on women's sexuality focusing on the disconnect between the body and the mind. I posted most of the first page but there's a lot more at the link.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=3&_r=1&em
QuoteWhat Do Women Want?
By DANIEL BERGNER
Published: January 22, 2009
Meredith Chivers is a creator of bonobo pornography. She is a 36-year-old psychology professor at Queen's University in the small city of Kingston, Ontario, a highly regarded scientist and a member of the editorial board of the world's leading journal of sexual research, Archives of Sexual Behavior. The bonobo film was part of a series of related experiments she has carried out over the past several years. She found footage of bonobos, a species of ape, as they mated, and then, because the accompanying sounds were dull — "bonobos don't seem to make much noise in sex," she told me, "though the females give a kind of pleasure grin and make chirpy sounds" — she dubbed in some animated chimpanzee hooting and screeching. She showed the short movie to men and women, straight and gay. To the same subjects, she also showed clips of heterosexual sex, male and female homosexual sex, a man masturbating, a woman masturbating, a chiseled man walking naked on a beach and a well-toned woman doing calisthenics in the nude.
While the subjects watched on a computer screen, Chivers, who favors high boots and fashionable rectangular glasses, measured their arousal in two ways, objectively and subjectively. The participants sat in a brown leatherette La-Z-Boy chair in her small lab at the Center for Addiction and Mental Health, a prestigious psychiatric teaching hospital affiliated with the University of Toronto, where Chivers was a postdoctoral fellow and where I first talked with her about her research a few years ago. The genitals of the volunteers were connected to plethysmographs — for the men, an apparatus that fits over the penis and gauges its swelling; for the women, a little plastic probe that sits in the vagina and, by bouncing light off the vaginal walls, measures genital blood flow. An engorgement of blood spurs a lubricating process called vaginal transudation: the seeping of moisture through the walls. The participants were also given a keypad so that they could rate how aroused they felt.
The men, on average, responded genitally in what Chivers terms "category specific" ways. Males who identified themselves as straight swelled while gazing at heterosexual or lesbian sex and while watching the masturbating and exercising women. They were mostly unmoved when the screen displayed only men. Gay males were aroused in the opposite categorical pattern. Any expectation that the animal sex would speak to something primitive within the men seemed to be mistaken; neither straights nor gays were stirred by the bonobos. And for the male participants, the subjective ratings on the keypad matched the readings of the plethysmograph. The men's minds and genitals were in agreement.
All was different with the women. No matter what their self-proclaimed sexual orientation, they showed, on the whole, strong and swift genital arousal when the screen offered men with men, women with women and women with men. They responded objectively much more to the exercising woman than to the strolling man, and their blood flow rose quickly — and markedly, though to a lesser degree than during all the human scenes except the footage of the ambling, strapping man — as they watched the apes. And with the women, especially the straight women, mind and genitals seemed scarcely to belong to the same person. The readings from the plethysmograph and the keypad weren't in much accord. During shots of lesbian coupling, heterosexual women reported less excitement than their vaginas indicated; watching gay men, they reported a great deal less; and viewing heterosexual intercourse, they reported much more. Among the lesbian volunteers, the two readings converged when women appeared on the screen. But when the films featured only men, the lesbians reported less engagement than the plethysmograph recorded. Whether straight or gay, the women claimed almost no arousal whatsoever while staring at the bonobos.
"I feel like a pioneer at the edge of a giant forest," Chivers said, describing her ambition to understand the workings of women's arousal and desire. "There's a path leading in, but it isn't much." She sees herself, she explained, as part of an emerging "critical mass" of female sexologists starting to make their way into those woods. These researchers and clinicians are consumed by the sexual problem Sigmund Freud posed to one of his female disciples almost a century ago: "The great question that has never been answered and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my 30 years of research into the feminine soul, is, What does a woman want?"....
QuoteWhether straight or gay, the women claimed almost no arousal whatsoever while staring at the bonobos.
:huh:
The Brain: Not a participant in this study.
So what do they want?
Quoteheterosexual women reported less excitement than their vaginas indicated
Story of my life
Quote from: garbon on August 10, 2009, 01:10:48 PM
So what do they want?
There's disagreement between the proponents of increased emotional intimacy and the proponents of the narcissism of desire.
Cock.
I don't think this study proves that women "do not know what they want". It just proves that their thought processes can occur independently and simultaneously to their sexual arousal, whereas it really does seem that men think with their dicks. :D
Quote from: Martinus on August 10, 2009, 01:23:37 PM
I don't think this study proves that women "do not know what they want". It just proves that their thought processes can occur independently and simultaneously to their sexual arousal, whereas it really does seem that men think with their dicks. :D
I don't think the article at any point claimed that women "do not know what they want".
Quote from: Martinus on August 10, 2009, 01:23:37 PM
I don't think this study proves that women "do not know what they want". It just proves that their thought processes can occur independently and simultaneously to their sexual arousal, whereas it really does seem that men think with their dicks. :D
But that can be problematic for women who'd like to be having more sex, but don't because their mind isn't into it. It's why there isn't the equivalent of Viagra out on the market for women, physical arousal isn't the problem.
I don't think the study "proves" anything - and the article makes it rather clear that the recent investigation into the issue has raised a lot more questions than it has answered. The article itself was very informative, IMO.
I thought it'd been established that women want a more sensitive version of Mel Gibson?
Turns out that is Denzel Washington.
Quote from: Berkut on August 10, 2009, 02:29:48 PM
I don't think the study "proves" anything - and the article makes it rather clear that the recent investigation into the issue has raised a lot more questions than it has answered. The article itself was very informative, IMO.
Thanks, when I saw it I thought some people here would appreciate it.
Quote from: Berkut on August 10, 2009, 02:29:48 PM
I don't think the study "proves" anything - and the article makes it rather clear that the recent investigation into the issue has raised a lot more questions than it has answered. The article itself was very informative, IMO.
It certainly has for me. :huh:
Very interesting article, Timmy. Thank you. :)
Yeah, nice article!
I've heard of experiments like this before, and they've even been done/mentioned on TV here. It appears that women are less "connected" to their genitals, i.e. they can be turned on without realising it. Moreover, female sexuality is much more "fluid" than male sexuality.
I have no clue what women want, but I have a very specific list of what 5-6 women do NOT want. :blush:
meh, women should not be classified with what they want as a group. There are about 3 billion different women who all want different things.
What I do know is that self esteem is the single most important factor in determining what women (at least western women within x/2 +7 and (x-7)*2 of my age) respond to.
Quote from: Viking on August 11, 2009, 12:32:00 AM
meh, women should not be classified with what they want as a group. There are about 3 billion different women who all want different things.
:bleeding:
Quote from: garbon on August 11, 2009, 12:45:13 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 11, 2009, 12:32:00 AM
meh, women should not be classified with what they want as a group. There are about 3 billion different women who all want different things.
:bleeding:
cliché yeah, but you have to tailor your approach to each and every person, not just women.
This has certainly been recognised for years by the magazine industry. Men's magazines? Full of pictures of naked or barely-clothed women. Women's magazines? Full of pictures of naked or barely-clothed women. The only conclusion is that naked women are generally far easier on the eye.
Personally I read Men's Health...
Quote from: Brazen on August 11, 2009, 04:16:58 AM
Women's magazines? Full of pictures of naked or barely-clothed women.
Yeah that one always stumped me.
Female sexuality is definitely more of a mental thing. That is why they cover the internet with millions of disturbingly perverse sex stories.
Quote from: Valmy on August 11, 2009, 08:15:48 AM
Quote from: Brazen on August 11, 2009, 04:16:58 AM
Women's magazines? Full of pictures of naked or barely-clothed women.
Yeah that one always stumped me.
Female sexuality is definitely more of a mental thing. That is why they cover the internet with millions of disturbingly perverse sex stories.
And you know this how? :P
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 11, 2009, 09:04:42 AM
And you know this how? :P
He's extrapolating. I'm sure he hasn't personally read more than a couple thousand.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 11, 2009, 09:04:42 AM
And you know this how? :P
Sites like Literotica and people talking about fan fics and such.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 11, 2009, 09:11:20 AM
He's extrapolating. I'm sure he hasn't personally read more than a couple thousand.
I do admit it is hard to scroll down with one hand sometimes.
Fan Fic is a cesspool of immorality.
according to this paper from MIT, women are the primary authors of the genre.
http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/papers/cumberland.html
The author postulates that internet anonymity allows wimmin to let it all hang out, so to speak.
That's old news. Men write fiction, women write fanfiction. It is a naturally subordinate role- it falls in with the way of things.
Quote from: saskganesh on August 11, 2009, 09:23:34 AM
Fan Fic is a cesspool of immorality.
...
Once I came across a peice of fanfiction with Tolkien's High Elves and fisting in it... :zipped:
G.
Quote from: Grallon on August 11, 2009, 10:20:35 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on August 11, 2009, 09:23:34 AM
Fan Fic is a cesspool of immorality.
...
Once I came across a peice of fanfiction with Tolkien's High Elves and fisting in it... :zipped:
G.
For some reason that made me laugh. :lol:
Quote from: Cecil on August 11, 2009, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Grallon on August 11, 2009, 10:20:35 AM
Once I came across a peice of fanfiction with Tolkien's High Elves and fisting in it... :zipped:
G.
For some reason that made me laugh. :lol:
Ditto. Somehow I immediately thought of Hugo Weaving as Elrond getting fisted and burst into fits of giggles. :yes:
IHMO, It shows that women, in fact, do want to get laid and that their arousal stem from imagination and fantasies, and not physical images per se (like men). So, seeing bonobos screwing one another, they could fantasize about the act of mating itself and be aroused without focusing on who's fucking what, like we males do.
It's like infamous "watch porn" experience made years ago. Both men and women were made to watch porn movies while being both surveyed by interviewers afterwards, while their physical reactions, like heart rates and lubrification, were monitored.
The test demontrated that, despite having similar reactions of sexual stimulations, males were far, far, far more likely to admit their were aroused by watching porn that their women counterparts. In fact, many women stated that they were not aroused at all, while all the physical monitoring showed otherwise. So it is either that women are more capable of disconnecting their mental arousal from their physical reactions, or social stigmas make women far less likely to admit their arousal and pass up as a slut, while in fact they indeed get horny from watching porn.
Quote from: Grallon on August 11, 2009, 10:20:35 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on August 11, 2009, 09:23:34 AM
Fan Fic is a cesspool of immorality.
...
Once I came across a peice of fanfiction with Tolkien's High Elves and fisting in it... :zipped:
G.
The important thing is - did they get the Tolkeineque language and atmosphere just right?
Quote from: Drakken on August 11, 2009, 10:36:24 AM
IHMO, It shows that women, in fact, do want to get laid and that their arousal stem from imagination and fantasies, and not physical images per se (like men). So, seeing bonobos screwing one another, they could fantasize about the act of mating itself and be aroused without focusing on who's fucking what, like we males do.
It's like infamous "watch porn" experience made years ago. Both men and women were made to watch porn movies while being both surveyed by interviewers afterwards, while their physical reactions, like heart rates and lubrification, were monitored.
The test demontrated that, despite having similar reactions of sexual stimulations, males were far, far, far more likely to admit their were aroused by watching porn that their women counterparts. In fact, many women stated that they were not aroused at all, while all the physical monitoring showed otherwise. So it is either that women are more capable of disconnecting their mental arousal from their physical reactions, or social stigmas make women far less likely to admit their arousal and pass up as a slut, while in fact they indeed get horny from watching porn.
The article made mention of this. While it may be that women are lying, when they looked at women who didn't seem to have any reason to lie (for example, they were comfortable talking about and admitting that they were sexually aroused under various circumstances) the effect was still seen - women would subjectively say they were not aroused, while the objective measures pointed to them being aroused.
One theory was that physical "arousal", ie lubrication, increased blood flow, etc., could be a purely subconscious response to any sexual stimulus as a physical defense against potenital injury associated with sex. In other words, women may get physically receptive even if they are not actually aroused or mentally receptive, since in fact it was possible that they may end up having sex (consensual or not) whether they were actually interested or not.
This would explain why women evidence objective physical arousal, even to images that are sexual but not particularly stimulating (the bonobos) in actuality.
Like I said earlier, it seems like the current research is really creating more questions than it answers. The idea that there is this disconnect between mental and physical arousal is pretty interesting.
That makes sense. Isn't it assumed that alot of sex among early Homo sapiens was in fact non-consensual?
Quote from: Berkut on August 11, 2009, 10:58:12 AM
One theory was that physical "arousal", ie lubrication, increased blood flow, etc., could be a purely subconscious response to any sexual stimulus as a physical defense against potenital injury associated with sex. In other words, women may get physically receptive even if they are not actually aroused or mentally receptive, since in fact it was possible that they may end up having sex (consensual or not) whether they were actually interested or not.
Yeah it seems a little more convoluted to suggest that women are ashamed or simply unware of when they are actually sexually aroused/interested.
Quote from: Caliga on August 11, 2009, 10:59:44 AM
That makes sense. Isn't it assumed that alot of sex among early Homo sapiens was in fact non-consensual?
Early = pre 20th century. :shifty:
Women do get aroused by the sight of bonbons.
Quote from: Caliga on August 11, 2009, 10:59:44 AM
That makes sense. Isn't it assumed that alot of sex among early Homo sapiens was in fact non-consensual?
Or, apparently, with bonobos.
Quote from: Malthus on August 11, 2009, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 11, 2009, 10:59:44 AM
That makes sense. Isn't it assumed that alot of sex among early Homo sapiens was in fact non-consensual?
Or, apparently, with bonobos.
To paraphrase Caliga, a cock is a cock.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 11, 2009, 01:46:05 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 11, 2009, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 11, 2009, 10:59:44 AM
That makes sense. Isn't it assumed that alot of sex among early Homo sapiens was in fact non-consensual?
Or, apparently, with bonobos.
To paraphrase Caliga, a cock is a cock.
:yes:
Could it be that women found the plastic probe inside their vaginas to be arousing in itself?
Women do not want Bonobos. OK?
Quote from: swallow on August 11, 2009, 05:19:30 PM
Women do not want Bonobos. OK?
Oh you're just ashamed.
Quote from: DGuller on August 11, 2009, 02:44:10 PM
Could it be that women found the plastic probe inside their vaginas to be arousing in itself?
That would easy to test for and find out.
Quote from: Valmy on August 11, 2009, 08:15:48 AM
Female sexuality is definitely more of a mental thing. That is why they cover the internet with millions of disturbingly perverse sex stories.
As an example: nifty.org
Am I woman? :o :Embarrass:
Quote from: swallow on August 11, 2009, 05:19:30 PM
Women do not want Bonobos. OK?
So I should send the costume back?
Quote from: garbon on August 11, 2009, 05:28:49 PM
As an example: nifty.org
Am I woman? :o :Embarrass:
Hey we like it to we just tend to prefer more visual stimulation.
I've been thinking about this. While seeing the act of copulation may arouse my genitalia (and yes, I can feel it), without knowing the situation that led to the act of sex, I'm not really turned on enough to want sex. It's the story behind the sex that turns me on most often.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 11, 2009, 05:31:37 PM
You totally post stories of older women seducing younger men don't you...
in MMORPGs....they can get pretty steamy.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 11, 2009, 05:29:04 PM
Quote from: swallow on August 11, 2009, 05:19:30 PM
Women do not want Bonobos. OK?
So I should send the costume back?
Are you already petit range, hairy and obsessed with sex? :perv:
Quote from: merithyn on August 11, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
I've been thinking about this. While seeing the act of copulation may arouse my genitalia (and yes, I can feel it), without knowing the situation that led to the act of sex, I'm not really turned on enough to want sex. It's the story behind the sex that turns me on most often.
Maybe I should start reading to my wife before bed.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 11, 2009, 05:31:37 PM
You totally post stories of older women seducing younger men don't you.
Why write stories about that? I live it. ;)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 11, 2009, 05:24:16 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 11, 2009, 02:44:10 PM
Could it be that women found the plastic probe inside their vaginas to be arousing in itself?
That would easy to test for and find out.
Ok. I'll be in charge of the plastic probes, you'll be in charge of not arousing the women.
Quote from: merithyn on August 11, 2009, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 11, 2009, 05:31:37 PM
You totally post stories of older women seducing younger men don't you.
Why write stories about that? I live it. ;)
That just means you have lots of inspiration, and IIRC you like to write.
You my dear have both the means and the motive.
Quote from: Valmy on August 11, 2009, 05:31:01 PM
Hey we like it to we just tend to prefer more visual stimulation.
I don't. :blush:
Quote from: merithyn on August 11, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
It's the story behind the sex that turns me on most often.
I am a woman. :o
Quote from: Valmy on August 11, 2009, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 11, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
I've been thinking about this. While seeing the act of copulation may arouse my genitalia (and yes, I can feel it), without knowing the situation that led to the act of sex, I'm not really turned on enough to want sex. It's the story behind the sex that turns me on most often.
Maybe I should start reading to my wife before bed.
Leviticus 20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Turned on yet?
Quote from: merithyn on August 11, 2009, 05:33:47 PM
Why write stories about that? I live it. ;)
:lol:
Write what you know!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 11, 2009, 05:35:47 PM
That just means you have lots of inspiration, and IIRC you like to write.
You my dear have both the means and the motive.
I admit that I have posted one story on Literotica, but it wasn't about that. I'd link it, but I don't remember what the title was, nor what name I posted it under. :blush:
IIRC, several Languishites have read it, though. I think the link was posted ages ago in TBR.
Quote from: merithyn on August 11, 2009, 05:38:44 PM
I admit that I have posted one story on Literotica, but it wasn't about that. I'd link it, but I don't remember what the title was, nor what name I posted it under. :blush:
IIRC, several Languishites have read it, though. I think the link was posted ages ago in TBR.
I remember it but I didn't save it sorry.
Quote from: Valmy on August 11, 2009, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 11, 2009, 05:38:44 PM
I admit that I have posted one story on Literotica, but it wasn't about that. I'd link it, but I don't remember what the title was, nor what name I posted it under. :blush:
IIRC, several Languishites have read it, though. I think the link was posted ages ago in TBR.
I remember it but I didn't save it sorry.
DGuller made a .pdf of it.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 11, 2009, 05:40:01 PM
DGuller made a .pdf of it.
I don't think he has ever been allowed back there.
Quote from: merithyn on August 11, 2009, 05:38:44 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 11, 2009, 05:35:47 PM
That just means you have lots of inspiration, and IIRC you like to write.
You my dear have both the means and the motive.
I admit that I have posted one story on Literotica, but it wasn't about that. I'd link it, but I don't remember what the title was, nor what name I posted it under. :blush:
IIRC, several Languishites have read it, though. I think the link was posted ages ago in TBR.
If you remember what it was about, character's names or some specific detail you should be able to search for it and find it pretty easily.
Quote from: garbon on August 11, 2009, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 11, 2009, 05:40:01 PM
DGuller made a .pdf of it.
I don't think he has ever been allowed back there.
It does ruin the joke, doesn't it? :blush:
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 11, 2009, 05:37:50 PM
Leviticus 20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Turned on yet?
I also love to butter her up with 1 Timothy 2:11-13
QuoteLet the woman remain in silence with all subjection.
I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
Hear the word of the Lord. Praise be to God.
I hope someone pdf'ed the Anne Frank fanfic. It would be a great shame for that masterpiece to be forever lost.
Quote from: Valmy on August 11, 2009, 09:12:32 AM
Sites like Literotica
Do they have a fanfic section? I bet it's filled with sparkly vampire stories.
:contract:
QuoteHow beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter!
The joints of thy thighs are like jewels,
the work of the hands of a cunning workman.
2 Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor:
thy belly is like a heap of wheat set about with lilies.
3 Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.
4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory;
thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon,
by the gate of Bath–rab'bim:
thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon
which looketh toward Damascus.
5 Thine head upon thee is like Carmel,
and the hair of thine head like purple;
the King is held in the galleries.
6 How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!
7 This thy stature is like to a palm tree,
and thy breasts to clusters of grapes.
8 I said, I will go up to the palm tree,
I will take hold of the boughs thereof:
now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine,
and the smell of thy nose like apples;
9 and the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved,
that goeth down sweetly,
causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.
10 I am my beloved's,
and his desire is toward me.
11 Come, my beloved,
let us go forth into the field;
let us lodge in the villages.
12 Let us get up early to the vineyards;
let us see if the vine flourish,
whether the tender grape appear,
and the pomegranates bud forth:
there will I give thee my loves.
13 The mandrakes give a smell,
and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old,
which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.
:wub:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 11, 2009, 05:45:43 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 11, 2009, 09:12:32 AM
Sites like Literotica
Do they have a fanfic section? I bet it's filled with sparkly vampire stories.
They stick that stuff in the celebrity or nonhuman sections.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 11, 2009, 05:45:43 PM
Do they have a fanfic section? I bet it's filled with sparkly vampire stories.
I wonder what is more of a turn on: body glitter or a bedazzled body?
Quote from: Valmy on August 11, 2009, 05:43:39 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 11, 2009, 05:37:50 PM
Leviticus 20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Turned on yet?
I also love to butter her up with 1 Timothy 2:11-13
QuoteLet the woman remain in silence with all subjection.
I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
Hear the word of the Lord. Praise be to God.
They should. :whistle:
I love the fact that the Fundies demand we take everything literally...except the song of songs which is symbolic!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 11, 2009, 05:47:06 PM
They stick that stuff in the celebrity or nonhuman sections.
Tim knows! They also have sci fi and fantasy...lotsa orcs raping elves and stuff like that.
Quote from: Valmy on August 11, 2009, 05:49:13 PM
I love the fact that the Fundies demand we take everything literally...except the song of songs which is symbolic!
I should hope she didn't have a wheat belly and ivory neck.
Quote from: garbon on August 11, 2009, 05:52:23 PM
I should hope she didn't have a wheat belly and ivory neck.
It is the inerrant word of God! If the Bible says she had a tower of Lebanon on her face it must have been so!
I meant it is supposed to symbolize God's love for Israel (and if you are Catholic his love for the Church).
Quote from: merithyn on August 11, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
I've been thinking about this. While seeing the act of copulation may arouse my genitalia (and yes, I can feel it), without knowing the situation that led to the act of sex, I'm not really turned on enough to want sex. It's the story behind the sex that turns me on most often.
Two or more people wanted to fuck. They did. The end.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 11, 2009, 07:11:34 PM
Two or more people wanted to fuck. They did. The end.
<_<
Penthouse Letters material, it ain't. :contract:
Quote from: Ideologue on August 11, 2009, 07:11:34 PM
Two or more people wanted to fuck. They did. The end.
Poor Korea.
Quote from: garbon on August 11, 2009, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 11, 2009, 07:11:34 PM
Two or more people wanted to fuck. They did. The end.
Poor Korea.
I bet the stories behind your buttfuckery are timeless tales of tender romance.
Quote from: Valmy on August 11, 2009, 05:33:33 PM
Quote from: merithyn on August 11, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
I've been thinking about this. While seeing the act of copulation may arouse my genitalia (and yes, I can feel it), without knowing the situation that led to the act of sex, I'm not really turned on enough to want sex. It's the story behind the sex that turns me on most often.
Maybe I should start reading to my wife before bed.
Me and the wife used to read the Anne Rice Sleeping Beauty books to each other.
Which, in retrospect, was really rather amazing, considering my wife.
Quote from: Ideologue on August 11, 2009, 10:55:40 PM
I bet the stories behind your buttfuckery are timeless tales of tender romance.
Stories don't have to be romantic. :mellow:
Quote from: Berkut on August 11, 2009, 10:59:09 PM
Me and the wife used to read the Anne Rice Sleeping Beauty books to each other.
The Anne Rice Sleeping Beauty books? :x
http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/reviews/beauty.htm
I read jack chick tracts.
Quote from: garbon on August 11, 2009, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 11, 2009, 07:11:34 PM
Two or more people wanted to fuck. They did. The end.
Poor Korea.
In her case, "the end" is a facefull of goo. :P
Quote from: swallow on August 11, 2009, 05:19:30 PM
Women do not want Bonobos. OK?
The probe says otherwise. ;)
Quote from: ulmont on August 12, 2009, 08:01:03 AM
Quote from: Berkut on August 11, 2009, 10:59:09 PM
Me and the wife used to read the Anne Rice Sleeping Beauty books to each other.
The Anne Rice Sleeping Beauty books? :x
http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/reviews/beauty.htm
Sure, he hated them, but he went back and read them twice. Uh-huh.
The first one was pretty fun, the second marginally so, and the third we never finished - like the reviewers said, it is pretty much all homo sex, which isn't really much of a turn on. Goes from being naughty erotic to just plain bizarre.
I re-read Battlefield Earth.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2009, 08:46:00 AM
I re-read Battlefield Earth.
Good of you to come up with a book that can make anything Rice produces look like Shakespeare.
Quote from: Berkut on August 12, 2009, 08:43:11 AM
Sure, he hated them, but he went back and read them twice. Uh-huh.
Then he bought the book on tape and so he could listen to it every night before bed just to be reminded how much it sucked.
Quote from: Valmy on August 12, 2009, 08:48:15 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2009, 08:46:00 AM
I re-read Battlefield Earth.
Dear Hod man...why?
It was actually assigned in school by a fruitloop of a teacher. Yes, I had to write a report on it.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2009, 08:49:36 AM
It was actually assigned in school by a fruitloop of a teacher. Yes, I had to write a report on it.
Was the next book you were assigned Dianetics?
Quote from: Berkut on August 12, 2009, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2009, 08:46:00 AM
I re-read Battlefield Earth.
Good of you to come up with a book that can make anything Rice produces look like Shakespeare.
Meh. I enjoyed
Battlefield Earth, hated
Tale of the Body Thief and
Memnoch the Devil.
Quote from: Valmy on August 12, 2009, 08:50:37 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2009, 08:49:36 AM
It was actually assigned in school by a fruitloop of a teacher. Yes, I had to write a report on it.
Was the next book you were assigned Dianetics?
:lol:
Nah, that was senior year. My brain remains Scientology and Xenu free.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2009, 08:49:36 AM
It was actually assigned in school by a fruitloop of a teacher. Yes, I had to write a report on it.
My Battlefield Earth Book Report
Ed Anger
Mrs. Slugworth's Reading Class, 5th Grade
August 12, 1988:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
FIN
Quote from: Caliga on August 12, 2009, 08:54:04 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 12, 2009, 08:49:36 AM
It was actually assigned in school by a fruitloop of a teacher. Yes, I had to write a report on it.
My Battlefield Earth Book Report
Ed Anger
Mrs. Slugworth's Reading Class, 5th Grade
August 12, 1988
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
FIN
:lol:
I learned very quickly to parrot the teacher's feelings on a book or subject. I kept my head down and kept myself in full ass kissing mode.
Don't rock the boat.
That's a good policy. For some reason most teachers are terribly insecure and need constant validation.
Quote from: Caliga on August 12, 2009, 08:57:05 AM
That's a good policy. For some reason most teachers are terribly insecure and need constant validation.
Just like the Economics classes I took back in the spring, I mirrored some of the professor's goofy libertarianism. Sure it was mostly bunk, but I wanted my damn degree.
Quote from: saskganesh on August 11, 2009, 09:23:34 AM
Fan Fic is a cesspool of immorality.
according to this paper from MIT, women are the primary authors of the genre.
http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/papers/cumberland.html
The author postulates that internet anonymity allows wimmin to let it all hang out, so to speak.
Random fan fiction fact I just saw, that was so weird I had to post here. :blink:
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1657764,00.html
QuoteSearch engine data reveals the extent of Fan Fiction demand. With Harry Potter's terminus, Potter fans dominate the fan fiction category. Surprisingly, the second most searched for "fan fiction term" was for a fan fiction website devoted to the 1960s series Bonanza (Gunsmoke came in 4th).
Also, to keep this post on topic...
QuoteThe third most popular fan fiction search term is for adult content. Of the 40,491 sites in our Adult category, the site with the highest percentage of female visitors (64.3%) is AdultFanfiction.net (proceed at your own risk).
Why do people continue asking the question Herr Doktor Freud asked when he already answered it? :huh:
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 16, 2009, 12:00:13 PM
Why do people continue asking the question Herr Doktor Freud asked when he already answered it? :huh:
Maybe because Freud's a discredited hack?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 16, 2009, 12:12:01 PM
Maybe because Freud's a discredited hack?
His work on sexual inversion is most enlightening!
Ok, I give up.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 16, 2009, 12:12:01 PM
Maybe because Freud's a discredited hack?
Only in the way Marx is a discredited hack :rolleyes:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 16, 2009, 12:12:01 PM
Maybe because Freud's a discredited hack?
Everything about Freud has been discredited? Go make an alt-hist map where the anime princesses take over the remains of the Mutsu and invade the land of lesbian tentacle raping Finnish emo-teens.
You know who is a discredited hack? Marius.
Sorry...I'm late to the party. Did you gentlemen figure out what it is that women really want?
Quote from: charliebear on August 17, 2009, 03:15:56 PM
Sorry...I'm late to the party. Did you gentlemen figure out what it is that women really want?
Foot massages and ice cream.
Quote from: charliebear on August 17, 2009, 03:15:56 PM
Sorry...I'm late to the party. Did you gentlemen figure out what it is that women really want?
Cock in the mouth.
Quote from: charliebear on August 17, 2009, 03:15:56 PM
Sorry...I'm late to the party. Did you gentlemen figure out what it is that women really want?
Control over their household. We've known that for 600 years.
Quote from: charliebear on August 17, 2009, 03:15:56 PM
Sorry...I'm late to the party. Did you gentlemen figure out what it is that women really want?
If I knew, I sure as hell wouldn't be posting here.
Quote from: Sheilbh on August 17, 2009, 08:36:03 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 16, 2009, 12:12:01 PM
Maybe because Freud's a discredited hack?
Only in the way Marx is a discredited hack :rolleyes:
Marx at least didn't falsify results.
Quote from: PDH on August 17, 2009, 08:41:19 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 16, 2009, 12:12:01 PM
Maybe because Freud's a discredited hack?
Everything about Freud has been discredited? Go make an alt-hist map where the anime princesses take over the remains of the Mutsu and invade the land of lesbian tentacle raping Finnish emo-teens.
I made an exaggerated, unsubstantiated statement on the internet!? Oh, noes! How criminal of me. :(
Quote from: charliebear on August 17, 2009, 03:15:56 PM
Sorry...I'm late to the party. Did you gentlemen figure out what it is that women really want?
A closet big enough to hold all their shoes - and a shoe budget big enough to exceed the storage capacity of their closet. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on August 17, 2009, 04:04:47 PM
Quote from: charliebear on August 17, 2009, 03:15:56 PM
Sorry...I'm late to the party. Did you gentlemen figure out what it is that women really want?
A closet big enough to hold all their shoes - and a shoe budget big enough to exceed the storage capacity of their closet. ;)
:console:
Quote from: charliebear on August 17, 2009, 03:15:56 PM
Sorry...I'm late to the party. Did you gentlemen figure out what it is that women really want?
Pfff. Even they don't know. How are we supposed to be arsed to figure it out.