Euros have been fun but real football starts tomorrow in the good ole USA I must admit.
It ain't football without blatant diving, wrongfully disallowed goals, a missed penalty, and three red cards per team.
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 19, 2024, 05:47:23 PMEuros have been fun but real football starts tomorrow in the good ole USA I must admit.
It ain't football without blatant diving, wrongfully disallowed goals, a missed penalty, and three red cards per team.
Uruguay, Panama, and Bolivia are going down!
So not Euro 24 at all, but I don't think I'd get much traction with a separate thread...
Canada plays in the Copa America tournament today - against Argentina.
(and to tie it back to Euro - the winner of Copa America will play the winner of Euro).
There is not a hot chance in hell that Canada is going to beat Argentina today of course. I can think back fondly on the day when Canada beat Mexico as part of the World Cup qualifiers (right here in Edmonton!), but since then Canada went 0-3 in the World Cup and has lost our manager. We still have Alfonso Davies (also from Edmonton!) so at least there's that.
But really - as I understand it, as long as we don't get blown out by Argentina, if we can then beat Peru and Chile then we have a chance at moving on.
This hopes, but at least it's something.
Quote from: Barrister on June 20, 2024, 10:50:55 AMBut really - as I understand it, as long as we don't get blown out by Argentina, if we can then beat Peru and Chile then we have a chance at moving on.
This hopes, but at least it's something.
I'll give you credit for being an eternal optimist, Beeb.
I remember this time two years ago, you were saying "if Canada can maybe get a tie against the old Croatians and they should beat Morocco, then they will qualify." And I said, it's not going to happen.
Canada is not THAT good Beeb. I don't know as much about South American football. But I'm pretty sure Chilie is a better team. Not sure about peru.
Also Canada is in a bit of a rebuilding stage now. New coach has said his goal is to get this team ready for 2026.
So, in short, I'm not the optimist you are. But I can also hope
Quote from: Josephus on June 20, 2024, 04:37:16 PMQuote from: Barrister on June 20, 2024, 10:50:55 AMBut really - as I understand it, as long as we don't get blown out by Argentina, if we can then beat Peru and Chile then we have a chance at moving on.
This hopes, but at least it's something.
I'll give you credit for being an eternal optimist, Beeb.
I remember this time two years ago, you were saying "if Canada can maybe get a tie against the old Croatians and they should beat Morocco, then they will qualify." And I said, it's not going to happen.
Canada is not THAT good Beeb. I don't know as much about South American football. But I'm pretty sure Chilie is a better team. Not sure about peru.
Also Canada is in a bit of a rebuilding stage now. New coach has said his goal is to get this team ready for 2026.
So, in short, I'm not the optimist you are. But I can also hope
I said "there's a chance".
As compared to playing Argentina - which as much of an optimist as I might be, there's zero chance we're beating the Argies.
Believe in the power of own goals :P
Looks like canada is keeping Argentina at bay.
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Looks like canada is keeping Argentina at bay.
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No score at the half.
Just need to hold out until the Argie own goal. Sort of like their electing of Javier Milei.
How shit do you have to be to let Julian Alvarez score on you
Jonathan David is no Connor McDavid.
Messi is dogshit now
Good try, good effort Canada.
Quote from: HVC on June 20, 2024, 09:08:44 PMA respectable 2-0 score.
Yeah I;ll take that result.
Sorry, but it gets a little too confusing in the EURO 2024 thread.
Mods, please move the relevant American content over here. I am sure it will get some traction. :)
I hear Brazil is not great, with some telenovela happening behind the scenes. :D
Winner of this Pan-American football tournament (originally South American championship) will play the EURO 2024 winner in the Finalíssima.
Interesting. :)
All I've heard about this is a lot of Latin American fans are pissed it is being priced out of their reach and hosted somewhere nobody cares
Are North and South America playing together now? I feel like I missed a memo.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 21, 2024, 03:20:45 AMAre North and South America playing together now? I feel like I missed a memo.
Yes. This is the South America Championship but this year it is being hosted by the United States and a bunch of CONCACAF are in it...I think this has something to do with the World Cup being here in 2026.
Quote from: Josquius on June 21, 2024, 03:11:56 AMAll I've heard about this is a lot of Latin American fans are pissed it is being priced out of their reach and hosted somewhere nobody cares
All I've heard is that a lot of Latin American fans who live in the US can actually watch their country play football in person.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 21, 2024, 01:01:15 AMWinner of this Pan-American football tournament (originally South American championship) will play the EURO 2024 winner in the Finalíssima.
Interesting. :)
Oh are we doing away with the Gold Cup?
I don't know what is going on. Point is CONCACAF is playing in this tournament this year. Maybe the South Americans want more easy wins.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 21, 2024, 12:45:58 AMSorry, but it gets a little too confusing in the EURO 2024 thread.
Mods, please move the relevant American content over here. I am sure it will get some traction. :)
I hear Brazil is not great, with some telenovela happening behind the scenes. :D
No matches share a start time. Be happy we talk about soccer at other times of the day.
Boo Jacob.
Giving in so easily to bullshit European soccer superiority syndrome.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 21, 2024, 06:27:16 AMBoo Jacob.
Giving in so easily to bullshit European soccer superiority syndrome.
It's too confusing for the Euros apparently. Need to keep the foreigners out.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 21, 2024, 06:27:16 AMBoo Jacob.
Giving in so easily to bullshit European soccer superiority syndrome.
Indeed!
It's actually kind of cool having both tournaments going on at the same time - yet with no games overlapping. Some days there's near constant international soccer going on.
I'm looking at TSN's schedule for just today:
8:45am Slovakia v Ukraine
11:45am Poland v Austria
2:45pm Netherlands v France
7:45pm Peru v Chile
(there's also a CFL game in there - TSN does have more than one channel)
It's kinda crazy to have international football happening every few hours. It is too much for me and I might get sick :ph34r:
So that being said I didn't get to watch Argentina v Canada last night. Because I was watching exciting GEMSA U11 softball playoffs! (Greater Edmonton Minor Softball Association).
So my youngest guy, Josh, plays softball. Softball is a weird sport because historically it's a girls sport, but the distinction between baseball=boys and softball=girls was taken down a long time ago. That being said - we're an all-boys team, but I think every team we've played so far has been all-girls.
Half the team has never played before - and those that have played before (like Josh) have only played a year or two at most. We're also a "community" team - so anyone who signs up makes the team.
That being said we've had a good season, won most of our games (though never really destroyed anyone).
For playoffs though - now we've been moved up a division. Now we're in Division B. These are teams that actually do winter tryouts in order to make the team. Our team met for the first time at the end of April. But yes - again against an all-girls team.
But anyways - we fell behind early, clawed our way back, tied it after 5 innings - and had to play an extra inning to decide things. While the girls scored 1 at the top of the inning, we brought in 2 runs to win the game.
So hey - if you want to say it's not fair we're playing an all-boys team against all-girls teams I'll listen to what you have to say. But this is a U11 team - so 9 and 10 year olds. Puberty is not yet a factor.
So they move on in the playoffs. I'm really proud of our boys for coming together and learning the game. My boy has even started pitching (although - coach did not put him in to pitch in the playoffs).
Next game is tomorrow at 8:45 am.
At around that age girls could have the advantage even. They tend to have growth spurts around then a few years before the boys.
Quote from: Barrister on June 21, 2024, 10:51:44 AMQuote from: Grey Fox on June 21, 2024, 06:27:16 AMBoo Jacob.
Giving in so easily to bullshit European soccer superiority syndrome.
Indeed!
It's actually kind of cool having both tournaments going on at the same time - yet with no games overlapping. Some days there's near constant international soccer going on.
I'm looking at TSN's schedule for just today:
8:45am Slovakia v Ukraine
11:45am Poland v Austria
2:45pm Netherlands v France
7:45pm Peru v Chile
(there's also a CFL game in there - TSN does have more than one channel)
Isn't the hockey on today too?
Quote from: Josephus on June 21, 2024, 01:46:46 PMIsn't the hockey on today too?
Yeah but ever since I stopped watching Edmonton has been winning. If I watch the game and Florida wins I will never forgive myself.
I have extreme power in sporting events :ph34r:
Quote from: Josephus on June 21, 2024, 01:46:46 PMQuote from: Barrister on June 21, 2024, 10:51:44 AMQuote from: Grey Fox on June 21, 2024, 06:27:16 AMBoo Jacob.
Giving in so easily to bullshit European soccer superiority syndrome.
Indeed!
It's actually kind of cool having both tournaments going on at the same time - yet with no games overlapping. Some days there's near constant international soccer going on.
I'm looking at TSN's schedule for just today:
8:45am Slovakia v Ukraine
11:45am Poland v Austria
2:45pm Netherlands v France
7:45pm Peru v Chile
(there's also a CFL game in there - TSN does have more than one channel)
Isn't the hockey on today too?
Yeah - but on Sportsnet, not TSN.
So Uruguay and the U.S won, I believe.
No reactions?
Expected results.
I totally missed Brazil tied Costa Rica. LOL.
Fear CONCACAF baby!
So Brazil is that crappy, as rumored? :hmm: :P
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 25, 2024, 11:56:57 AMSo Uruguay and the U.S won, I believe.
No reactions?
It was cool we beat Bolivia. Didn't watch it though, I had a busy Sunday.
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2024, 01:52:01 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on June 25, 2024, 11:56:57 AMSo Uruguay and the U.S won, I believe.
No reactions?
It was cool we beat Bolivia. Didn't watch it though, I had a busy Sunday.
Thou shalt not work on Lord's Day. :P
So I hate to even mention it, but Canada is actually the betting favourite against Peru today...
Yeah this iteration of Brazil is pretty unimpressive, but they actually made enough decent chances against Costa Rica to bury them. Equal parts poor finishing, bad luck, and CONCACAF-level officiating beat Brazil.
Quote from: Barrister on June 25, 2024, 02:22:56 PMSo I hate to even mention it, but Canada is actually the betting favourite against Peru today...
Bookies were right.
So if I understand it right - a draw against Chile guarantees Canada to move on to the knockout stage.
I have to admit - that by itself should be considered a successful tournament for Canada.
Getting 3 points was a pretty good showing on its own, I think.
Quote from: HVC on June 26, 2024, 10:01:07 AMGetting 3 points was a pretty good showing on its own, I think.
Yeah, but - if Canada could beat Peru - and Peru managed to tie Chile - why shouldn't we be able to pull off at least a draw against Chile?
It's cool when Canada does well. Beating Peru is a very credible showing for the team :cheers: :Canuck:
Quote from: Barrister on June 26, 2024, 10:49:59 AMQuote from: HVC on June 26, 2024, 10:01:07 AMGetting 3 points was a pretty good showing on its own, I think.
Yeah, but - if Canada could beat Peru - and Peru managed to tie Chile - why shouldn't we be able to pull off at least a draw against Chile?
The football gods are cruel and capricious :D
Canada were outplayed. Good for them for winning. Their goalie is super good. The red card in the second half changed the swing of things in Canada's favour, and Peru should also have had a guy sent off for head butting in the first half.
A desperate Chile will be tough. They are better than Peru. But anything can happen.
Panama 2 USA 1
CONCACAF is amazing :lol:
Now, that's a fun development.
Looks like the game was book ended with a pair of reds.
Anyone else notice that the Brazil's coach jacket only has 4 stars? The thing is at least 23 years old.
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 27, 2024, 07:06:24 PMPanama 2 USA 1
CONCACAF is amazing :lol:
Yesterday was a real kick in the nuts to America.
Let's go beat up some Panamanians.
This is the part of fodbol I've always liked the most: he grudges.
Cops America a lot more physical than Euro
Come on Canada, they're a man down!
Quote from: Josephus on June 29, 2024, 08:20:30 PMCops America a lot more physical than Euro
A lot better at diving too
Canada is going to qualify and the US won't :lol:
Canada goes to the knockouts stage on only one group game goal :D . Helped by a red in 2 of three games.
Is Canada a dirty team? Or is there history with Chile? What was that elbow about?
Chile with a red after 26 min. Deserved imo.
It's not a pretty game at all, but it's pretty intense.
Quote from: HVC on June 29, 2024, 09:01:03 PMCanada goes to the knockouts stage on only one group game goal :D . Helped by a red in 2 of three games.
Tribute to France in the EURO? :frog: :D
Quote from: Jacob on June 29, 2024, 09:38:12 PMIs Canada a dirty team? Or is there history with Chile? What was that elbow about?
Canada are just learning how to play "South American"
Quote from: Josephus on June 30, 2024, 06:11:50 AMQuote from: Jacob on June 29, 2024, 09:38:12 PMIs Canada a dirty team? Or is there history with Chile? What was that elbow about?
Canada are just learning how to play "South American"
Yeah that sounds about right.
Mexico DUMPED in the groups
After the US gets also dumped tomorrow, Fox's ratings are also going in the dumpster.
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 30, 2024, 09:04:13 PMMexico DUMPED in the groups
After the US gets also dumped tomorrow, Fox's ratings are also going in the dumpster.
Sometimes I get the feeling you are rooting against us :ph34r:
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2024, 09:21:21 PMQuote from: FunkMonk on June 30, 2024, 09:04:13 PMMexico DUMPED in the groups
After the US gets also dumped tomorrow, Fox's ratings are also going in the dumpster.
Sometimes I get the feeling you are rooting against us :ph34r:
It was over before it even started :cry:
Checking what has happened for the first time- the US couldn't beat Panama :lol:
Though Uruguay are already champions short of losing 6-0 so wouldn't be surprised if they send out their second string and walk through the game. The US may get through.
Surprising to see Canada doing so well.
And the US is out
For 40 years we constantly oscillate between "pretty ok" to "embarrassing underachievers" without ever seeming to ever do anything. I guess we will always have the 2002 World Cup. That one knock out round win, over Mexico even, will have to sustain us forever.
Quote from: Valmy on July 02, 2024, 12:34:21 PMFor 40 years we constantly oscillate between "pretty ok" to "embarrassing underachievers" without ever seeming to ever do anything. I guess we will always have the 2002 World Cup. That one knock out round win, over Mexico even, will have to sustain us forever.
I was in Vegas in 2014 when you tied Portugal and kept them from advancing to the knock outs. That was annoying.
A good piece in the Globe comparing the Canadian and American teams. The take home was Canada realized that this tournament is not about skill but about dishing out as much violence as possible and Canada adapted their game to play the South American style. Whereas the Americans played like this was a game of skill.
So all is not lost for the Americans. The World Cup standard of play is not the South American style.
The majority of USMNT fans pretty much only care about the World Cup so I guess there is that. We have won the Gold Cup seven times and nobody cares.
And fair enough I guess :lol:
One of the narratives for the US team that has cropped up recently is that, while individually the players are more skillful than previous generations of American players, the current generation doesn't have the mentality or competitive edge that the older generations did. The older generations learned and play in an era where no one gave a shit about soccer and they trained on beat up football fields. So while people might expect the newer more skillful players to get better results, in reality they haven't achieved any better than older generations.
Like all narratives it is a great oversimplification but I think there is a kernal of truth in it. I'm not attributing this loss to Uruguay to "ThEy DiDNt TrY hArD EnuFf!!!" But I certainly felt much more attachment to the old American teams who played a more physical, simpler style of soccer.
4-4-fucking-2 and all that :lol:
Do a lot of Americans play over seas? Could it be good players who don't play together regularly vs mediocre players who have a lot of experience with each other?
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On theme, the Euros and Copa compared
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8neYtBOmYd/?igsh=MXNxOHR6dDU2andrNg==
We can't win at American Football either :Embarrass:
https://www.americanfootballinternational.com/austria-defeats-team-usa-to-become-first-european-nation-to-win-world-juniors-medal/
We now have to call it Austrian Football :(
Quote from: Valmy on July 03, 2024, 12:20:43 PMWe can't win at American Football either :Embarrass:
https://www.americanfootballinternational.com/austria-defeats-team-usa-to-become-first-european-nation-to-win-world-juniors-medal/
We now have to call it Austrian Football :(
You might have to call it Canadian Football. :secret:
https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2024/07/01/canada-wins-u20-football-championship/
For the record - this U20 championship was being held in Edmonton, but was played using the inferior 4-down rules. Apparently the field being set up for 4-down football looked comically small at Commonwealth Stadium, which is set up for 3-down ball.
Austria beat the US in the bronze medal game. US lost to Japan (?!?) in the semi-finals.
So Canada plays Venezuela in the quarter-finals tonight.
Venezuela might be in South America, but is not really a soccer powerhouse, so shockingly the betting odds are pretty much a draw between the two countries. It is not impossible to imagine Canada winning this game. :o
Now - the winner of this game moves into the semi-finals against Argentina, so that's realistically the furthest I can see Canada go - but still what an accomplishment (in particular since both US and Mexico are out).
Although who knows - dare to dream... Greece won the 2004 Euros, Iceland made it to the Quarter-finals in 2016 Euro - who knows what might happen if we get lucky...
Would love to see Canada knock out Argentina on penalties. Won't happen but it would be very cool.
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 05, 2024, 02:49:22 PMWould love to see Canada knock out Argentina on penalties. Won't happen but it would be very cool.
It would be super cool. Also extremely unlikely.
Sad thing is even if it happened most Canadians wouldn't even know it happened.
It would be cool but it is still only Copa America. Like the Gold cup, it doesn't matter.
Canada is winning :yeah:
Not if the same old CONCACAF refs have given pointers to the CONMEBOL refs.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 05, 2024, 09:35:13 PMNot if the same old CONCACAF refs have given pointers to the CONMEBOL refs.
perhaps you're right lol.
One of my teams lost on penalties, and the other one won on penalties.
CANADAAAAA
:yeah:
Jesse Marsch taking Canada to the semifinals of the Copa. The idiots running the US Soccer Federation are totally and completely in the mud. :lol:
Pretty awesome :Canuck:
Quote from: HVC on July 05, 2024, 10:10:53 PMOne of my teams lost on penalties, and the other one won on penalties.
Wrong priorities! :ultra:
:P
Holy Shit - Canada won on penalties? Canada advances to the semi-finals of Copa America? That's crazy.
I wish I had watched the game live - I had a rec hockey game which I played instead.
Love the quebecois goalie :D
Quote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 10:36:04 AMLove the quebecois goalie :D
So look - as an Albertan, I sometimes get really frustrated by Quebeckers politically speaking.
But I play hockey with a French guy from Quebec - and he is so fucking hilarious in how intense he is about it (even though he does kind of know it's only beer league hockey).
My Canada definitely includes Quebec.
Looking over the highlights without the stress effecting my viewing the copa style is more fun to watch. A frenetic style. Could just be the Canadian games though, since those are the only ones I watched :lol:
Quote from: Barrister on July 06, 2024, 10:46:20 AMQuote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 10:36:04 AMLove the quebecois goalie :D
So look - as an Albertan, I sometimes get really frustrated by Quebeckers politically speaking.
But I play hockey with a French guy from Quebec - and he is so fucking hilarious in how intense he is about it (even though he does kind of know it's only beer league hockey).
My Canada definitely includes Quebec.
If you haven't already you should watch Goon :D
Quote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 10:59:21 AMQuote from: Barrister on July 06, 2024, 10:46:20 AMQuote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 10:36:04 AMLove the quebecois goalie :D
So look - as an Albertan, I sometimes get really frustrated by Quebeckers politically speaking.
But I play hockey with a French guy from Quebec - and he is so fucking hilarious in how intense he is about it (even though he does kind of know it's only beer league hockey).
My Canada definitely includes Quebec.
If you haven't already you should watch Goon :D
N-word - please.
Of course I've seen Goon.
You know it was filmed in Winnipeg, right? And the play-by-play announcer was Jets 1.0 announcer Kurt Kielback?
Quote from: Barrister on July 03, 2024, 01:07:13 PMQuote from: Valmy on July 03, 2024, 12:20:43 PMWe can't win at American Football either :Embarrass:
https://www.americanfootballinternational.com/austria-defeats-team-usa-to-become-first-european-nation-to-win-world-juniors-medal/
We now have to call it Austrian Football :(
You might have to call it Canadian Football. :secret:
https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2024/07/01/canada-wins-u20-football-championship/
For the record - this U20 championship was being held in Edmonton, but was played using the inferior 4-down rules. Apparently the field being set up for 4-down football looked comically small at Commonwealth Stadium, which is set up for 3-down ball.
Austria beat the US in the bronze medal game. US lost to Japan (?!?) in the semi-finals.
So, I'd never heard of this IFAF organization, so I looked it up. Their home page is https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1142434/american-football-ifaf-etrainu (https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1142434/american-football-ifaf-etrainu)
Their leading image is
(https://cdn.dmcl.biz/media/image/289571/l/FUTBOL+AMERICANO.jpg)
Uhm... that's not IFAF football. That's Michigan (with OSU players in the background) playing in the Big House.
Quote from: grumbler on July 06, 2024, 11:46:22 AMQuote from: Barrister on July 03, 2024, 01:07:13 PMQuote from: Valmy on July 03, 2024, 12:20:43 PMWe can't win at American Football either :Embarrass:
https://www.americanfootballinternational.com/austria-defeats-team-usa-to-become-first-european-nation-to-win-world-juniors-medal/
We now have to call it Austrian Football :(
You might have to call it Canadian Football. :secret:
https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2024/07/01/canada-wins-u20-football-championship/
For the record - this U20 championship was being held in Edmonton, but was played using the inferior 4-down rules. Apparently the field being set up for 4-down football looked comically small at Commonwealth Stadium, which is set up for 3-down ball.
Austria beat the US in the bronze medal game. US lost to Japan (?!?) in the semi-finals.
So, I'd never heard of this IFAF organization, so I looked it up. Their home page is https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1142434/american-football-ifaf-etrainu (https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1142434/american-football-ifaf-etrainu)
Their leading image is
(https://cdn.dmcl.biz/media/image/289571/l/FUTBOL+AMERICANO.jpg)
Uhm... that's not IFAF football. That's Michigan (with OSU players in the background) playing in the Big House.
OK.
:huh:
It's an interesting event. Like I said it was held here in Edmonton. It got some, but not a lot, of media attention. I have no idea how the US team was selected, but given how they were blown up by freaking Japan I doubt they scoured the US looking for the best football players. I don't think anyone in the world seriously questions that the US is the best country in football (not the soccer kind).
p.s. Three downs are better than four downs.
Quote from: Barrister on July 06, 2024, 04:04:33 PMp.s. Three downs are better than four downs.
That explains why 4 million Canadians watched the last Grey Cup and only 19 million watched the Super Bowl. :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on July 07, 2024, 10:33:22 AMQuote from: Barrister on July 06, 2024, 04:04:33 PMp.s. Three downs are better than four downs.
That explains why 4 million Canadians watched the last Grey Cup and only 19 million watched the Super Bowl. :lol:
The commercials :P
Quote from: HVC on July 07, 2024, 10:35:40 AMQuote from: grumbler on July 07, 2024, 10:33:22 AMQuote from: Barrister on July 06, 2024, 04:04:33 PMp.s. Three downs are better than four downs.
That explains why 4 million Canadians watched the last Grey Cup and only 19 million watched the Super Bowl. :lol:
The commercials :P
Except we get the same boring commercials for both events
Super Bowl is more hyped that's why.
Quote from: Josephus on July 09, 2024, 06:31:55 AMSuper Bowl is more hyped that's why.
It is hyped more, but that it also because it is more popular. The CFL is mainly popular in the prairie provinces. And problematic for the CFL, mainly among older men.
The NFL is more popular in our most populous provinces and amongst younger viewers.
So it's not surprising much larger numbers watch the Superbowl.
Quote from: Josephus on July 09, 2024, 06:31:55 AMSuper Bowl is more hyped that's why.
:secret: I wasn't really arguing that 4-down football is better because it's more popular, I was just carrying on the pretend-feud with BB on the topic.
Quote from: grumbler on July 07, 2024, 10:33:22 AMQuote from: Barrister on July 06, 2024, 04:04:33 PMp.s. Three downs are better than four downs.
That explains why 4 million Canadians watched the last Grey Cup and only 19 million watched the Super Bowl. :lol:
More popular doesn't mean better.
Quote from: Barrister on July 09, 2024, 10:43:26 AMQuote from: grumbler on July 07, 2024, 10:33:22 AMQuote from: Barrister on July 06, 2024, 04:04:33 PMp.s. Three downs are better than four downs.
That explains why 4 million Canadians watched the last Grey Cup and only 19 million watched the Super Bowl. :lol:
More popular doesn't mean better.
Correct. But it does mean that for whatever reason people may have, they prefer the NFL. And since the CFL needs to generate revenue outside the prairie provinces, that poses a bit of a problem for the league.
Well fellas, can Canada do it tonight? Can they win the Superbowl?
It's soccer, so you never know. Stranger things have happened.
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Quote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 05:23:25 PMIt's soccer, so you never know. Stranger things have happened.
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That's pretty much the mindset. Canada is playing with house money. The betting odds of a Canada win are 11-1. I also bet you anything the game in New Jersey is going to be all Argentina fans.
But there's always a chance.
Edit: plus - they've already played once before. Canada has tape on Argentina, knows what to expect. Maybe they can make adjustments and catch the Argies y surprise.
Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't bet $300k on Canada like Drake just did - but miracles can always happen, right?
Canada's not playing badly.
Quote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 07:17:30 PMCanada's not playing badly.
No - but down 1-0 at the half.
Quote from: Barrister on July 09, 2024, 08:03:05 PMQuote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 07:17:30 PMCanada's not playing badly.
No - but down 1-0 at the half.
They've had chances, but no finishes. My kingdom for a striker.
And now it's 2
This ref sucks. Even by copa standards.
I was going to ask - I'm not a soccer guy as you know, but the reffing seems kind of bad.
But what do I know.
But maybe it's a South American thing?
Haven't seen many South American games, I must admit. They seem more lax, which fine, but be equally lax to both sides.
Anyway, regardless of what happens next game Canada will at least tie Americas best showing. And on their first showing :blurgh: :Canuck:
Tbh I thought this referee hasn't been too bad. Though I do grade on a curve when it comes to concacaf/conmebol referees. There has been much worse refereeing in this very tournament.
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 09, 2024, 08:55:20 PMTbh I thought this referee hasn't been too bad. Though I do grade on a curve when it comes to concacaf/conmebol referees. There have been much worse refereeing in this very tournament.
I could be biased, but think the main issue was it wasn't equal to both sides.
But really, it's on canada. The score doesn't give the whole picture. Canada didn't embarrass themselves. They just couldn't capitalize on the chances the had. And they had a few.
Quote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 08:50:54 PMAnyway, regardless of what happens next game Canada will at least tie Americas best showing. And on their first showing :blurgh: :Canuck:
Yeah well wake me when you have TWO fourth place trophies. Haha!
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I have just been told there is no fourth place trophy. Well at least we both have nice participation medals.
Yeah, they only scored two goals in the 5 games and the two pre tournament friendlies. They need to score
Quote from: Valmy on July 09, 2024, 09:04:50 PMQuote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 08:50:54 PMAnyway, regardless of what happens next game Canada will at least tie Americas best showing. And on their first showing :blurgh: :Canuck:
Yeah well wake me when you have TWO fourth place trophies. Haha!
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I have just been told there is no fourth place trophy. Well at least we both have nice participation medals.
Let me have what I can!!! :cry:
And there's still a chance for third :D
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 09, 2024, 08:55:20 PMTbh I thought this referee hasn't been too bad. Though I do grade on a curve when it comes to concacaf/conmebol referees. There has been much worse refereeing in this very tournament.
I agree, the teams know going in that the refs in this geographical area are going to favour the aggressor.
Canada played well but the were playing against the World Cup Champions. Hard to be aggressive against Argentina.
So a couple of video clips from the game last night:
-one showed a Canadian player sliding towards and Argentine player, did not connect - yet the Argie goes down like he's been shot.
-another - the Canadian player very lightly kicks the ball at an Argie player who's down on the ground during a stoppage. And look - I get that's a penalty. But again the Argie starts rolling around on the ground like he's mortally wounded.
So I'm a fair-weather soccer fan, for sure. Maybe I've been indoctrinated by my years of hockey where it's more about looking tough. Maybe "real" soccer fans can appreciate the "gamesmanship" of all that diving.
And I'm definitely not saying that Canada was robbed last night. Argentina was probably going to win, and they did. For Canada, you do actually need to be able to score goals in order to win (they scored two in the entire tournament, and I think none in the World Cup).
But it can be hard to watch all that diving.
Further proof of the superiority of the Northern Protestant world over the Southern Latin World.
BB - it's a common opinion among Europeans - especially more Northern ones - that the South America style of drama is a bunch of BS.
Any opinions on the relative floppiness of African, Asian, or Arab players?
I would argue that some gamesmanship makes the sport more interesting and more entertaining to watch.
Colombia vs Uruguay just ended and it was one of the most intense and entertaining matches I've seen in years and the quality of football was kind of horrendous, but almost the entire match was embellishing fouls and deliberate timewasting :lol:
And apparently after the game ended some of the Uruguayan players went into the stands and threw punches with Colombian fans :lol:
Canada v Uruguay it is
:Canuck: v :outback:
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 10, 2024, 09:18:13 PMAnd apparently after the game ended some of the Uruguayan players went into the stands and threw punches with Colombian fans :lol:
Some Cantona admirers ? :D
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 10, 2024, 09:18:13 PMI would argue that some gamesmanship makes the sport more interesting and more entertaining to watch.
Colombia vs Uruguay just ended and it was one of the most intense and entertaining matches I've seen in years and the quality of football was kind of horrendous, but almost the entire match was embellishing fouls and deliberate timewasting :lol:
And apparently after the game ended some of the Uruguayan players went into the stands and threw punches with Colombian fans :lol:
Yeah, it's infuriating in a weirdly fun way. Not as much if you actually have skin in the game :lol:
Quote from: celedhring on July 11, 2024, 01:49:22 AMQuote from: FunkMonk on July 10, 2024, 09:18:13 PMI would argue that some gamesmanship makes the sport more interesting and more entertaining to watch.
Colombia vs Uruguay just ended and it was one of the most intense and entertaining matches I've seen in years and the quality of football was kind of horrendous, but almost the entire match was embellishing fouls and deliberate timewasting :lol:
And apparently after the game ended some of the Uruguayan players went into the stands and threw punches with Colombian fans :lol:
Yeah, it's infuriating in a weirdly fun way. Not as much if you actually have skin in the game :lol:
So the game in itself was still way inferior to the (in)famous Battle of Nuremberg? :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nuremberg_(2006_FIFA_World_Cup) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nuremberg_(2006_FIFA_World_Cup))
QuoteSupposedly drunk Colombia fans 'avalanched' the families of the Uruguayan players which is when Darwin & other players went up to the stands to fight them.
https://x.com/LFCTransferRoom/status/1811233955967910376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1811233955967910376%7Ctwgr%5Edd8a5371ffecc3eb0545411ccd49c5b7e7f0edc7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sofoot.com%2Fbreves%2Fplusieurs-joueurs-uruguayens-impliques-dans-une-bagarre-apres-apres-uruguay-colombie (https://x.com/LFCTransferRoom/status/1811233955967910376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1811233955967910376%7Ctwgr%5Edd8a5371ffecc3eb0545411ccd49c5b7e7f0edc7%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sofoot.com%2Fbreves%2Fplusieurs-joueurs-uruguayens-impliques-dans-une-bagarre-apres-apres-uruguay-colombie)
ex-Twitter, X so make of that what you will.
I'm seeing this reported elsewhere too. Definitely seems to add up. If true hopefully he doesn't face punishment as thats totally forgivable. Should be serious punishment for the organisers (and the offending fans).
Tbh I watch the sport now not so much for the beauty of it or the quality of individual technique or to analyze brilliant tactical innovations. I've done that. It's great.
I watch for the sheer crazy theater of it all. I want the drama. The diving, the indignation, the flare ups and physical altercations, the moaning and embellishment, hell even the referee fuck ups. It's more World Wrestling Entertainment and less actual sport. It's gladiatoral combat and I'm part of the crowd beying for blood. That is fun for me and a nice distraction from hum drum regular life going to work every day and raising two little kids. It's a release.
So yeah diving is not really in the spirit of the rules and I fucking hate it when it goes against my team but I absolutely love it when my team does it and gets away with it :lol:
But I grew up playing soccer in South Texas with Mexicans so that probably colors my idea of what the game means to me. Obviously people have different experiences and expectations of what the game should be.
I get that. I like the physicality of this years Copa America because I approach all sports with the mentality & aesthetics of hockey. I expect roughness, I want roughness.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9PtvTCRlat/?igsh=MTJndnczMDc2ODNieA==
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 11, 2024, 09:33:35 AMI get that. I like the physicality of this years Copa America because I approach all sports with the mentality & aesthetics of hockey. I expect roughness, I want roughness.
Do you want cheap shots?
In hockey, not really but we would have to define what is a cheap shot.
I do not know what would qualify as a cheap shot in soccer.
I definitely do miss football of the 90s/00s where tough guy players were an established part of the game.
Less professional arse holes like Vinnie Jones and more don't fuck with me Roy Keane types and defenders who tackled hard.
Though the decline of this sort of tough guy macho attitude has been great outside of football, and certainly needs to die more, the game itself certainly has gotten "soft" to an extent and less fun with it - though yes, some horrid examples on record of career ending tackles.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 11, 2024, 04:24:09 PMIn hockey, not really but we would have to define what is a cheap shot.
I do not know what would qualify as a cheap shot in soccer.
Take a look at my clip on page 4.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 11, 2024, 04:47:27 PMQuote from: Grey Fox on July 11, 2024, 04:24:09 PMIn hockey, not really but we would have to define what is a cheap shot.
I do not know what would qualify as a cheap shot in soccer.
Take a look at my clip on page 4.
Can't, not available here.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 10, 2024, 04:39:36 PMAny opinions on the relative floppiness of African, Asian, or Arab players?
Weird... I thought I answered this already, but...
There may be less on a consensus there than on South Americans, but my opinion is:
Africans are "robust." They dish out closer to South Americans levels but flop* much less.
Asians I don't have a strong stereotype of, but generally I think they work hard, don't play dirty, and don't flop.
Arabs I don't know enough to really have formed an opinion.
*we called it filming when I was growing up.
Quote from: Jacob on July 11, 2024, 07:14:30 PMWeird... I thought I answered this already, but...
I'm old. Pretty sure 90% of the things I post here are repeats.
Canadas second line is better than Uruguays. Still have trouble finishing though
Wooo
The damn biter tied it.
4th place it is. Still a good showing.
Quote from: HVC on July 13, 2024, 09:07:14 PM4th place it is. Still a good showing.
Yes. And it wasn't Uraguys second line. It was almost the entire first team
I thought this was their best game and were unfortunate at the end, but they should have closed the game down better
I just really wanted to gloat at valmy and funkmunk :cry:
Canada and Jesse Marsch have totally dumpstered US Soccer. USA is MUDDED
Quote from: HVC on July 13, 2024, 09:29:19 PMI just really wanted to gloat at valmy and funkmunk :cry:
Nah I'm glad Canada did well. The USSF needs to look like foolish and clueless assholes and Canada doing well helps that.
Canada showed immaturity after leading. You have 10 minutes left on the clock my dudes, that's the time to play boring.
Colombians using their border crossing skills to get into game :ph34r:
https://twitter.com/MLSMoves/status/1812654874196168925
Watching my first non-canada game. Funny how quickly the players get up when the ref keeps his whistle down :lol:
Quote from: HVC on July 14, 2024, 10:46:20 PMWatching my first non-canada game. Funny how quickly the players get up when the ref keeps his whistle down :lol:
This ref was really good. In extra time when players are trying to fake injury the most he kept his whistle down on even some actual fouls. Those players got right back up :lol: