The camera footage is amazing :ph34r: :cthulu:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-16/
QuoteWe have tackled many strange stories on 60 Minutes, but perhaps none like this. It's the story of the U.S. government's grudging acknowledgment of unidentified aerial phenomena— UAP—more commonly known as UFOs. After decades of public denial the Pentagon now admits there's something out there, and the U.S. Senate wants to know what it is. The intelligence committee has ordered the director of national intelligence and the secretary of defense to deliver a report on the mysterious sightings by next month.
Bill Whitaker: So what you are telling me is that UFOs, unidentified flying objects, are real?
Lue Elizondo: Bill, I think we're beyond that already. The government has already stated for the record that they're real. I'm not telling you that. The United States government is telling you that.
QuoteLue Elizondo: Imagine a technology that can do 6-to-700 g-forces, that can fly at 13,000 miles an hour, that can evade radar and that can fly through air and water and possibly space. And oh, by the way, has no obvious signs of propulsion, no wings, no control surfaces and yet still can defy the natural effects of Earth's gravity. That's precisely what we're seeing.
Mulder was right all along and we just laughed at him every week for years.
I always believed that there may be some flying objects out there that people observing them fail to identify.
Anal probes for everyone!
Yay, objectify aliens. :rolleyes:
We do it with people. If anything I'm being egalitarian by including aliens :contract:
I've seen UFO in the sense I have looked up and saw something in the sky that I could not identify. It was one of those classic UFO that looked like a silver cigar. I thought it might be a mirage or a hot air balloon.
Quote from: FunkMonk on May 17, 2021, 06:35:50 AM
QuoteLue Elizondo: Imagine a technology that can do 6-to-700 g-forces, that can fly at 13,000 miles an hour, that can evade radar and that can fly through air and water and possibly space. And oh, by the way, has no obvious signs of propulsion, no wings, no control surfaces and yet still can defy the natural effects of Earth's gravity. That's precisely what we're seeing.
How does he knows it's a technology? He's hiding something :tinfoil:
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Mulder was right all along and we just laughed at him every week for years.
If this guy had shown up for the Mulder casting he would have been soundly rejected. Turns out he's the real thing :lol:
I wonder how people would actually react if anyone actually believed this had any chance of being something extraterrestrial...
I wanna believe but it's always these far-off, low-res, shit videos of these UFOs on a planet that's covered in HD cameras. :hmm:
They have positively identified UFOs?
I'm sure the Guardians of the Space Force can use some extra funding. If blurry videos is the price to pay then so be it.
Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2021, 10:03:23 AM
They have positively identified UFOs?
If they had, they'd just be FOs, wouldn't they?
Quote from: Berkut on May 17, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
I wonder how people would actually react if anyone actually believed this had any chance of being something extraterrestrial...
I feel like we'd move on pretty quickly unless there was more detail - because I think we are all terrified by the unknown/unknowable.
Quote from: grumbler on May 17, 2021, 10:15:32 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2021, 10:03:23 AM
They have positively identified UFOs?
If they had, they'd just be FOs, wouldn't they?
IFO is the technical term.
GTFO
Quote from: Berkut on May 17, 2021, 10:26:43 AM
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Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2021, 10:03:23 AM
They have positively identified UFOs?
If they had, they'd just be FOs, wouldn't they?
IFO is the technical term.
IFXs if they indentify as non-binary.
Quote from: Berkut on May 17, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
I wonder how people would actually react if anyone actually believed this had any chance of being something extraterrestrial...
The military would get quite a bit more funding. So would NASA.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 17, 2021, 11:33:59 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 17, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
I wonder how people would actually react if anyone actually believed this had any chance of being something extraterrestrial...
The military would get quite a bit more funding. So would NASA.
The Space Force has lost its commander, sadly. Not a coincidence that it happens just as we hear about alien invasions! They're here and they've infiltrated the US gov already! :ph34r:
Quote from: Berkut on May 17, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
I wonder how people would actually react if anyone actually believed this had any chance of being something extraterrestrial...
I would say, statistically speaking, these sightings are most likely time travelers from our distant future delicately setting up the timeline that leads to our future selves eventually inventing time travel so they could go back in time and delicately set up their timeline.
Quote from: FunkMonk on May 17, 2021, 01:22:30 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 17, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
I wonder how people would actually react if anyone actually believed this had any chance of being something extraterrestrial...
I would say, statistically speaking, these sightings are most likely time travelers from our distant future delicately setting up the timeline that leads to our future selves eventually inventing time travel so they could go back in time and delicately set up their timeline.
So what you're saying is that time travelers from the future are paving the way for the Trumpenreich.
Maybe we would have been better off with SkyNet. :hmm:
Time travellers from the past seems more probable. It's likely easier to travel "downtime".
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 17, 2021, 02:16:28 PM
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Quote from: Berkut on May 17, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
I wonder how people would actually react if anyone actually believed this had any chance of being something extraterrestrial...
I would say, statistically speaking, these sightings are most likely time travelers from our distant future delicately setting up the timeline that leads to our future selves eventually inventing time travel so they could go back in time and delicately set up their timeline.
So what you're saying is that time travelers from the future are paving the way for the Trumpenreich.
Maybe we would have been better off with SkyNet. :hmm:
Faced with two terrible choices, they made the worst one possible. At least Sarah Conners could stop SkyNet.
Quote from: The Brain on May 17, 2021, 03:32:58 PM
Time travellers from the past seems more probable. It's likely easier to travel "downtime".
according to the highly scientifically accurate "Time Cop", you can't travel into the future because it's not been created yet. I don't think Hollywood would get science
that wrong. :hmm: [/i]
Going downtime there are infinite possible branchings to navigate. Going uptime there is only one.
I went into the garden to see the ISS pass over at 00.16 BST, as it was appearing in the Western Sky I saw a meteor trail, but the bright streak persisted....
Gradually a line of white points of light appeared, kept pace with the ISS and got brighter as they flew overhead, there must have been two or three dozen lights space out irregularly in a long train across the sky.
I guessed what it was, one of Space X satellite trains, possible the lot launched a couple of days ago, but still an almost a sci-fi like apparition and cool as hell. :cool:
Not seen that before, is it relatively uncommon, has anyone else seen one?
Quote from: celedhring on May 17, 2021, 10:39:06 AM
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Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2021, 10:03:23 AM
They have positively identified UFOs?
If they had, they'd just be FOs, wouldn't they?
IFO is the technical term.
IFXs if they indentify as non-binary.
Strange play
Quote from: mongers on May 17, 2021, 08:33:19 PM
I went into the garden to see the ISS pass over at 00.16 BST, as it was appearing in the Western Sky I saw a meteor trail, but the bright streak persisted....
Gradually a line of white points of light appeared, kept pace with the ISS and got brighter as they flew overhead, there must have been two or three dozen lights space out irregularly in a long train across the sky.
I guessed what it was, one of Space X satellite trains, possible the lot launched a couple of days ago, but still an almost a sci-fi like apparition and cool as hell. :cool:
Not seen that before, is it relatively uncommon, has anyone else seen one?
Nice!
Quote from: garbon on May 18, 2021, 01:51:27 AM
Quote from: celedhring on May 17, 2021, 10:39:06 AM
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Quote from: grumbler on May 17, 2021, 10:15:32 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2021, 10:03:23 AM
They have positively identified UFOs?
If they had, they'd just be FOs, wouldn't they?
IFO is the technical term.
IFXs if they indentify as non-binary.
Strange play
He is Spanish. They tend to be salty about English speakers fixing their inferior sexist language.
Though I don't think "object" is really a gendered word.
Yeah, it was a play on changing "O" to "X" as neutral gender.
I got it. :thumbsup:
Latinx's 15 minutes might be over.
The thing with Latinx et. al. is that it's pretty awkward to pronounce. It's fine for written discourse, but for spoken language I don't know. I don't speak Spanish (in spite of a few years of high school Spanish), but it seems to me that if you intend to make a change you'd be better off backing a different vowel.
Like, say, use -e to replace -o and -a. So "Latine" instead of "Latino" and "Latina". I count vouch for the beauty of it or the likelihood of uptake, but at least people would have an idea of how to pronounce it.
Quote from: celedhring on May 18, 2021, 12:37:58 PM
Yeah, it was a play on changing "O" to "X" as neutral gender.
Oh I got why you said it, just seemed an odd place to randomly punch down.
Quote from: Jacob on May 18, 2021, 12:52:45 PM
The thing with Latinx et. al. is that it's pretty awkward to pronounce. It's fine for written discourse, but for spoken language I don't know. I don't speak Spanish (in spite of a few years of high school Spanish), but it seems to me that if you intend to make a change you'd be better off backing a different vowel.
Like, say, use -e to replace -o and -a. So "Latine" instead of "Latino" and "Latina". I count vouch for the beauty of it or the likelihood of uptake, but at least people would have an idea of how to pronounce it.
-e is indeed the option pushed over here.
Quote from: Jacob on May 18, 2021, 12:52:45 PM
The thing with Latinx et. al. is that it's pretty awkward to pronounce. It's fine for written discourse, but for spoken language I don't know. I don't speak Spanish (in spite of a few years of high school Spanish), but it seems to me that if you intend to make a change you'd be better off backing a different vowel.
Like, say, use -e to replace -o and -a. So "Latine" instead of "Latino" and "Latina". I count vouch for the beauty of it or the likelihood of uptake, but at least people would have an idea of how to pronounce it.
I believe latine is the gender neutral equivalent in Spanish.
I don't know if there are many et als on this though - I think -x is a suffix that signifies something in English. So we can say and know what is meant by Mx. It strikes me as an issue with Latinx if the only way to practically pronounce it is to treat it as an English word :lol:
And for what it's worth I believe there's been polling of the latino community in the US which has found that only 2-3% of people use it, less than a quarter know what it means and the preferred term is actually "hispanic".
Wasn't Latrine a character in Top Secret?
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 18, 2021, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 18, 2021, 12:52:45 PM
The thing with Latinx et. al. is that it's pretty awkward to pronounce. It's fine for written discourse, but for spoken language I don't know. I don't speak Spanish (in spite of a few years of high school Spanish), but it seems to me that if you intend to make a change you'd be better off backing a different vowel.
Like, say, use -e to replace -o and -a. So "Latine" instead of "Latino" and "Latina". I count vouch for the beauty of it or the likelihood of uptake, but at least people would have an idea of how to pronounce it.
I believe latine is the gender neutral equivalent in Spanish.
I don't know if there are many et als on this though - I think -x is a suffix that signifies something in English. So we can say and know what is meant by Mx. It strikes me as an issue with Latinx if the only way to practically pronounce it is to treat it as an English word :lol:
And for what it's worth I believe there's been polling of the latino community in the US which has found that only 2-3% of people use it, less than a quarter know what it means and the preferred term is actually "hispanic".
How about spelling it "latinx" and pronouncing it as "lateen eh"? It wouldn't be the worst disconnect in English between spelling and pronunciation.
What are these mysterious vehicles that the government is reporting? Any one care to speculate wildly?
Probably a drone combined with a some sort of illusion that makes it look faster than it is.
I'm thinking drones as well.
Whose drones? Blofeldts? Dr.No?
Probably apes. Together they are strong.
Quote from: fromtia on May 18, 2021, 04:00:15 PM
Whose drones? Blofeldts? Dr.No?
Theodore J. Hobbyist
Quote from: fromtia on May 18, 2021, 04:00:15 PM
Whose drones? Blofeldts? Dr.No?
Small commercial drones bought over the internet by space aliens who no longer put much effort into these sorts of things. These days that don't even make elaborate disguises when they go outside. They just put a mask on and nobody bats an eye.
Quote from: fromtia on May 18, 2021, 03:08:04 PM
What are these mysterious vehicles that the government is reporting? Any one care to speculate wildly?
Aliens.
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 18, 2021, 04:08:10 PM
Quote from: fromtia on May 18, 2021, 03:08:04 PM
What are these mysterious vehicles that the government is reporting? Any one care to speculate wildly?
Aliens.
So foreigners who are going to steal our jobs?
I'm mystified, personally. Probably a drone of some kind, but not an American one. The drone manufacturer must have considerable resources if the performance is what they are saying it is in the article. It's not Aliens, for the obvious reasons, more likely to be time travelers, but that's obviously absurd. I will continue to scratch my head. Strange times.
The USA needs to build a dome to keep them out.
Ufo still stands for UNIDENTIFIED flying objects. So it doesn't mean we have to deal with little green men.
Besides, the distances in the universe are so enormous and the travel speed so "limited" (even at the speed of light), that the chances to be visited are virtually impossible. And I don't event talk about the ridiculously low chances for an intelligent civilisation to exist in our vicinity.
Someone has been gotten to.
Quote from: fromtia on May 18, 2021, 04:25:24 PM
I'm mystified, personally. Probably a drone of some kind, but not an American one. The drone manufacturer must have considerable resources if the performance is what they are saying it is in the article. It's not Aliens, for the obvious reasons, more likely to be time travelers, but that's obviously absurd. I will continue to scratch my head. Strange times.
I think the speed is an optical illusion. Like when you drive your car and it looks objects near you are moving faster than things in the distance. A secret military drone could have some advanced capabilities (though I doubt it could move as fast as the object appears to move). It would also explain why the military hasn't been interested in investigating and why the pilots could not identify it.
If the US military was running the drone and wants to keep it secret, why would they fly it in the vicinity of the flight path of Air Force jets?
Seems like the possibilities are:
1) Testing of US military drone designed for recon/targeting of enemy fixed wing aircraft; but why test in such an uncontrolled way and why permit declassification?
2) Adversary nation drone spying on US military facilities. But again - how/why would the footage get declassified? If the tech is so cutting edge, why risk discovery and capture for information that would appear to be of limited intelligence value?
3) Drone operated by non-governmental person or entity - but to what end or purpose? Who would have the ability and resources to develop and deploy such tech in complete secrecy?
4) As yet unexplained optical illusion.
5) General Zod
I agree with Minsky that none of the semi-plausible explanations seem consistent with the data. Plus, there is some radar data to go with the visual and IR data, and it also shows the same things. I have no clue as to what it is, but it seems clear that it isn't nothing.
The fly in the ointment is that these objects were observed in places you wouldn't think an intelligence collection system would be. What utility to Russia or China would be a vehicle hanging around 100 miles off the US coast? And, if whoever is operating these is being surreptitious, why operate for two years where their objects are being encountered daily by US pilots? If they aren't trying to be covert, then why not operate where they would be more frequently encountered?
I have no idea what these are, but I highly doubt they are aliens.
If aliens with superior tech are observing us, we would never know it unless they wanted us to know it.
Already remote probes can be miniaturized and disguised somewhat as natural objects, by us. A few years better tech, and they will be very small and difficult to detect indeed. Why would they hang out in big spaceships in our atmosphere, obvious enough to be spotted by anyone passing by, and not simply announce themselves? Or if they don't care at all about being spotted - why are they not hovering over our cities? This flitting about in relatively remote places inside highly visible objects makes no sense.
Of course, being aliens, who knows what their motives are. Perhaps they are tourists, and this is their equivalent of a tourist waving at the lions on an African lion safari. 😀
I have no theories just interested in what happens. I am highly agnostic on aliens of course but hey I am ready to be convinced by whatever is most likely given the evidence.
Has anyone who is not working for Uncle Sam seen these IRL?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 19, 2021, 09:13:53 AM
Seems like the possibilities are:
1) Testing of US military drone designed for recon/targeting of enemy fixed wing aircraft; but why test in such an uncontrolled way and why permit declassification?
2) Adversary nation drone spying on US military facilities. But again - how/why would the footage get declassified? If the tech is so cutting edge, why risk discovery and capture for information that would appear to be of limited intelligence value?
3) Drone operated by non-governmental person or entity - but to what end or purpose? Who would have the ability and resources to develop and deploy such tech in complete secrecy?
4) As yet unexplained optical illusion.
5) General Zod
Douglas Adam's had a more plausible answer. :bowler:
And maybe those guy's are just getting more brazen?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 19, 2021, 08:56:40 AM
If the US military was running the drone and wants to keep it secret, why would they fly it in the vicinity of the flight path of Air Force jets?
Cause they screwed up. Military does that sometimes.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 19, 2021, 08:56:40 AM
If the US military was running the drone and wants to keep it secret, why would they fly it in the vicinity of the flight path of Air Force jets?
They probably have been flying in the vicinity of Chair Force jets, but the Chair Force guys didn't see them. The reports I have seen are all from Navy aircraft and surface ships.
Maybe SpaceX is developing something and Elon Musk is just hiding it to be a dick.
Quote from: grumbler on May 19, 2021, 01:38:49 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 19, 2021, 08:56:40 AM
If the US military was running the drone and wants to keep it secret, why would they fly it in the vicinity of the flight path of Air Force jets?
They probably have been flying in the vicinity of Chair Force jets, but the Chair Force guys didn't see them. The reports I have seen are all from Navy aircraft and surface ships.
Maybe SpaceX is developing something and Elon Musk is just hiding it to be a dick.
Subtlety and silence are hardly Elon's calling cards.
Musk would be smoking weed while bragging about it on Joe Rogan tomorrow.
Quote from: Barrister on May 19, 2021, 01:52:43 PM
Subtlety and silence are hardly Elon's calling cards.
If he's keeping a secret, then you don't know whether he's being silent about it.