Some of us found a community here, others still think of it as an arena to duel in.
That's my controversial thesis about Languish and it's decline, anyone care to shoot it down in flames, as is 'our' want.
What do you guys value more, a sense of shared experience vs a debating school points victory?
Thread in part a response to the bust-up in the Bangladesh flooding one.
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Quote from: mongers on September 02, 2017, 05:48:16 PM
as is 'our' want.
I believe you mean wont. :nerd:
How many points for correcting grammar? :hmm:
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Garbon, have you been contemplating the time cube?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2017, 05:53:18 PM
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I get that look sometimes when pinching out a loaf.
It's a good thesis.
It's a false choice. Somebody who knows how to win debate points will always find a community.
I stay so that Berkut and Grumbler won't be able to celebrate my departure.
I certainly enjoy community more than debate, but I myself only really exist on Languish's periphery. The combination of an aversion to debate and a lack of community means I mostly don't stray out of threads whose subject is avowedly "safe", like threads on video games or anime.
Go on back to 4 Chan.
Community. I've never found debate to be very rewarding, I only debate when I have to. Discussion OTOH is nice.
I definitely value the community over the debate. The debate is mostly tedious, imo, but it's a significant part of what keeps the place going and thus maintains the community.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 02, 2017, 09:12:49 PM
Go on back to 4 Chan.
Fair enough. I'll not post here again.
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 03, 2017, 10:10:41 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 02, 2017, 09:12:49 PM
Go on back to 4 Chan.
Fair enough. I'll not post here again.
Lettow, I wouldn't take anything ET posts half-seriously.
Besides you're need here to be our front-line reporter form the impending nuclear holocaust. :P
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 03, 2017, 10:10:41 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 02, 2017, 09:12:49 PM
Go on back to 4 Chan.
Fair enough. I'll not post here again.
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Quote from: garbon on September 03, 2017, 10:14:38 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 03, 2017, 10:10:41 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 02, 2017, 09:12:49 PM
Go on back to 4 Chan.
Fair enough. I'll not post here again.
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I see you're in full passive-agressive mode
today this
week month.
edit:Just let me know when you change ok?
You want me to be sad about getting rid of refuse? No, thanks.
Quote from: Jacob on September 03, 2017, 12:26:51 AM
I definitely value the community over the debate. The debate is mostly tedious, imo, but it's a significant part of what keeps the place going and thus maintains the community.
I tend to agree with both you and The Brain on this--discussion is enjoyable, but debate (at least formal debate, which some posters seem to try to turn all discussions into) is tedious, at least in the context of this forum.
Quote from: dps on September 03, 2017, 11:08:23 AM
Quote from: Jacob on September 03, 2017, 12:26:51 AM
I definitely value the community over the debate. The debate is mostly tedious, imo, but it's a significant part of what keeps the place going and thus maintains the community.
I tend to agree with both you and The Brain on this--discussion is enjoyable, but debate (at least formal debate, which some posters seem to try to turn all discussions into) is tedious, at least in the context of this forum.
Indeed.
People quoting and counter-quoting one another's posts about minutiae nobody gives a shit about is what makes this place most tedious. Fortunately those discussions can be easily ignored.
I tend to agree that actual intellectual disagreement here is mostly dead and/or useless. Luckily, there are other fora that promote that, and Languish remains valuable for the discourse of a few of the posters (Minsky, Malthus, Oex, Sav), the intentional entertainment value of some others like the Brain or Seedy, and the unintentional entertainment value of... well, I think you know who they are.
So, there is community here, even though there's little communication.
I tend to think the commentary/perspective on news and events is interesting. Though the actual positional debates (sometimes arising from the aforementioned) tend to be rehashing of those we've had countless times before, with the inevitable re-picking of old wounds/stirring of emotions and invective thrown in (making them uninteresting, and damaging to the community).
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 03, 2017, 02:28:30 PM
I tend to think the commentary/perspective on news and events is interesting.
Agreed.
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 03, 2017, 02:28:30 PM
I tend to think the commentary/perspective on news and events is interesting. Though the actual positional debates (sometimes arising from the aforementioned) tend to be rehashing of those we've had countless times before, with the inevitable re-picking of old wounds/stirring of emotions and invective thrown in (making them uninteresting, and damaging to the community).
Well said.
Quote from: grumbler on September 03, 2017, 02:17:59 PM
Luckily, there are other fora that promote that
Such as?
Quote from: garbon on September 03, 2017, 10:14:38 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on September 03, 2017, 10:10:41 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 02, 2017, 09:12:49 PM
Go on back to 4 Chan.
Fair enough. I'll not post here again.
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Go fuck yourself, pinky.
Quote from: garbon on September 03, 2017, 10:37:02 AM
You want me to be sad about getting rid of refuse? No, thanks.
Lettow is one of the most unique people here, writes well and is amusing, making him one of the most valued posters we got. It would be awful if he left.
Like so many of you monkeys when you finally discover pussy, Lettow has been pretty much AWOL and has only 15 posts since March.
So let's not get all bent out of shape with our bad short-term memory. That's like saying you'll miss Ideologue or fahdiz now. Going is gone.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 03, 2017, 10:12:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 03, 2017, 10:37:02 AM
You want me to be sad about getting rid of refuse? No, thanks.
Lettow is one of the most unique people here, writes well and is amusing, making him one of the most valued posters we got. It would be awful if he left.
I would love to see more winding babble about the glorious confederacy and how black people should be forced to live apart in autonomously governed. Not.
Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2017, 07:45:05 PM
Quote from: grumbler on September 03, 2017, 02:17:59 PM
Luckily, there are other fora that promote that
Such as?
Even in politicalforum.com, people can disagree without the hivemind telling them that disagreements are boring.
Heh, you guys are getting old.
Remember how we used to greet new blood while they were actually arriving? This place was never about polite discourse. Somebody would post their opinion on something and 5 other guys would slide into it with both legs.
I blame 3 things for any loss of quality:
1. There is nothing left to really discuss. Those who remain, we have known each other and chatted daily, for about 14 years now. I hardly look at the name of the poster anymore, the style totally gives it away.
2. I think the radicalisation of politics over the last few years are really trickling down to us. Any slight deterrence from the tribal cannon is viewed with extreme suspicion previously unseen in this place.
3. The points above mean that only the core bothers to post, further amplifying those two points creating a feedback loop.
Quote from: Tamas on September 05, 2017, 05:21:07 AM
Heh, you guys are getting old.
Remember how we used to greet new blood while they were actually arriving? This place was never about polite discourse. Somebody would post their opinion on something and 5 other guys would slide into it with both legs.
I blame 3 things for any loss of quality:
1. There is nothing left to really discuss. Those who remain, we have known each other and chatted daily, for about 14 years now. I hardly look at the name of the poster anymore, the style totally gives it away.
2. I think the radicalisation of politics over the last few years are really trickling down to us. Any slight deterrence from the tribal cannon is viewed with extreme suspicion previously unseen in this place.
3. The points above mean that only the core bothers to post, further amplifying those two points creating a feedback loop.
I think we need to excise the word "tribalism" from our dictionary. This "tribalism" talk is just another branch of false balance fallacy, and it promotes radicalization rather than fight it by making it easier to move the Overton window.
Unfortunately right now we live in the day and age where one political wing has deliberately embraced lack of reason and full-on appeal to emotion and intolerance, definitely in US but not solely there. You can't have acceptance of right wing ideology as it is today while still be refusing to suffer fools gladly. It's not a good world to be living in, but this forum would lose its identity if we allowed present day right wing idiocy to go unmolested for the sake of diversity of political views.
Like any private club this place is mostly devoted to circle jerking for the initiates.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on September 05, 2017, 06:59:17 AM
Like any private club this place is mostly devoted to circle jerking for the initiates.
G.
Oh fuck off.
I had to look at Tamas's name. Changes his avatar too often.
Btw, garbon, I still have no idea what the spinning cows are supposed to signify. :huh:
Life is too short to argue stupid shit with a bunch of assburgers.
Quote from: garbon on September 05, 2017, 07:49:56 AM
Quote from: Grallon on September 05, 2017, 06:59:17 AM
Like any private club this place is mostly devoted to circle jerking for the initiates.
G.
Oh fuck off.
You guys are in the same tribe you know.
People leaving is a bad thing (tm).
And yes. Playing debate club is also bad.
Languish is dying.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2017, 11:40:49 PM
Like so many of you monkeys when you finally discover pussy, Lettow has been pretty much AWOL and has only 15 posts since March.
So let's not get all bent out of shape with our bad short-term memory. That's like saying you'll miss Ideologue or fahdiz now. Going is gone.
What ever happened to Ideologue anyways? World seems to be moving in his direction.
Malthus' new art thread is worth the price of admission on its own.
See even after a decade there's still something new to learn.
I like this place, it's been with me my entire adult life.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 05, 2017, 10:21:44 AM
Malthus' new art thread is worth the price of admission on its own.
See even after a decade there's still something new to learn.
I'm blushing. :blush:
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 05, 2017, 10:20:42 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 03, 2017, 11:40:49 PM
Like so many of you monkeys when you finally discover pussy, Lettow has been pretty much AWOL and has only 15 posts since March.
So let's not get all bent out of shape with our bad short-term memory. That's like saying you'll miss Ideologue or fahdiz now. Going is gone.
What ever happened to Ideologue anyways? World seems to be moving in his direction.
He discovered pussy, I would think. Put a flag on it, claimed it for Spain.
Death by Yinzer. So sad.
I think they met in SC though.