Poll
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/02/dutch-parliamentary-elections-everything-you-need-to-know-brexit-vote-trump-geert-wilders
I doubt DENK will will much.
"I didn't vote for Trump, I don't know what you people are talking about".
:huh:
We like our politicians bland and interchangeable. :)
Doesn't look like this election is worth any global coverage though, not sure what the fuss is about.
That said my predictions have been disastrously wrong before :sleep:
There's a fuss because of Wilders, Brexit and assorted Russian-sponsored chicanery going around.
Zoupa is going to lecture you.
I should change my avatar.
DO IT. I'll Change mine to Geert if you do.
Done.
MAXIMUM TROLLING
Great. More pics of chinless Euroweenies.
Is there a quiz? If so, please share the link. I'd like to take it voor shits en giechelt.
Is there a quiz? If so, please share the link. I'd like to take it voor shits en giechelt.
[/quote]
Kieskompas.nl
In Dutch of course, but your German should serve you well :)
And it appears to be experiencing a DDOS attack :bleeding:
Looks about right :)
Exit polls haven't been off more than 2 seats on average.
Revised exit poll came out, no changes in seats.
You mean VVD? Yeah, but they do have several options. Looks like right wing though.
The quarter final has been won. Over to France and Germany for the semis and final.
That's a law firm I would not want on the other side.
She seemed to be ecstatic with the result, and rightly so.
Liberals lost seats but they are the largest party by a larger margin than last time. Their coalition partner Labour got trounced for being completely dominated and unrecognisable in the coalition.
Wilders got a few more seats but not nearly as many as he hoped. And not nearly as many as needed to make a difference, since none of the other larger parties will work with him.
And on top of that the chance of a Nexit happening anytime soon seems pretty slim.
Fancy Hair's most popular platform was about stopping islamisation so it's not like voters would have followed him for Nexit, is it? Do the Batavians have a problem with Poles, Balts and Romanians (excluding gypsies) like the Brits?
Plus, the economy is not in a bad shape.
PS: once again low expectations are key... I am afraid more will be needed to score such a big victory in France.
it's classic Wilders: high scores in polls, less so on election day. As always.
and it's not like the parties aren't becoming tougher on the issues he champions.
this was an interesting read given the topic of populism
http://www.lefigaro.fr/vox/societe/2017/03/10/31003-20170310ARTFIG00144-chantal-delsol-le-populisme-est-attache-a-des-enracinements-que-detestent-les-elites.php
Yes they do. And Wilders has been railing against eastern Europeans as well, until he found out that railing against Muslims gets him more votes.
And he has repeatedly stated he wants to take the Netherlands out of the EU.
There may not be a perfect correlation among his voters between anti-Muslim and anti-EU, but given their general stupidity nothing correlates much anyway.
Not really. It's become common knowledge, but it only happened once before in a general election.
The graph below shows the polls during the last 90 days before each election, the dot shows the actual result.
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Labour's implosion is to blame for that.
But the way this new party has been going about it suggests they will devolve into three separate parties before the next elections.
Question: Who do you vote for?
Option 1: 
votes: 5
votes: 5
Option 2: 
votes: 1
votes: 1
Option 3: 
votes: 1
votes: 1
Option 4: 
votes: 0
votes: 0
Option 5: 
votes: 8
votes: 8
Option 6: 
votes: 1
votes: 1
Option 7: 
votes: 0
votes: 0
Option 8: 
votes: 4
votes: 4
Option 9: 
votes: 1
votes: 1
Option 10: 
votes: 21
votes: 21
Title: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Zanza on March 13, 2017, 01:04:43 PM
Post by: Zanza on March 13, 2017, 01:04:43 PM
QuoteWhat's the story and why is it important?More here:
The Netherlands holds parliamentary elections on 15 March. Polls have long predicted that the anti-Islam, anti-EU Geert Wilders' populist Party for Freedom (PVV) could emerge as the country's largest party, although Wilders is thought unlikely to enter government.
After Britain's EU referendum and the election of Donald Trump in the US (read more on the connections between the two here and here), a PVV victory could be seen as fitting a developing narrative of nativist, anti-establishment movements on the rise.
The probable strong showing by the far-right Front National leader, Marine Le Pen, in May's French presidential poll reinforces this view (the Guardian's French election coverage is here). Some observers believe the EU's future is in play.
What's the political landscape and how does the system work?
There are 150 MPs in the Dutch parliament, meaning a government needs 76 seats to form a majority. No single party ever manages this and the Netherlands has been governed by coalitions for more than a century.
Parliament is elected by proportional representation in a single, nationwide constituency – which means that any party that wins 0.67% of the national vote is assured of a seat (key facts about the Dutch electoral system here).
Dutch politics have been marked in recent decades by a sharp decline in support for the three main parties of government from the centre-right and left. Their share of the vote has shrunk from more than 80% in the 1980s to a projected 40% this year.
This is a trend visible across Europe; see more about it here. In the Netherlands, it has been paralleled by a proliferation of smaller special interest parties: no fewer than 28 of them, many new, are contesting this election. As many as 14 are forecast to win seats, including eight with 10 or more MPs.
It is this fragmentation of the vote, rather than a big increase in support, that could see the PVV become the largest party. The movements that produced Brexit and Trump won about half the vote; Wilders' is forecast to get below 20% (more from the Peilingwijzer poll aggregator here).
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/02/dutch-parliamentary-elections-everything-you-need-to-know-brexit-vote-trump-geert-wilders
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 13, 2017, 01:15:18 PM
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 13, 2017, 01:15:18 PM
Lovely eyes.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Habbaku on March 13, 2017, 01:19:34 PM
Post by: Habbaku on March 13, 2017, 01:19:34 PM
Voted for the PM instead of the pretty animal-rights girl.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: The Larch on March 13, 2017, 01:21:27 PM
Post by: The Larch on March 13, 2017, 01:21:27 PM
Half those guys seem like totally bland and interchangeable people, so I guess they're great faceless politicians.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 13, 2017, 01:32:39 PM
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 13, 2017, 01:32:39 PM
Who gives a fuck, the racist antisemite will win.
I mean, the MOST racist antisemite.
I mean, the MOST racist antisemite.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
Post by: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
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Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on March 13, 2017, 01:57:30 PM
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on March 13, 2017, 01:57:30 PM
Voted for the guy with the ridiculous hair. It is my policy now to always vote for the guy with the most outstanding hair.......................what could possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Barrister on March 13, 2017, 02:01:39 PM
Post by: Barrister on March 13, 2017, 02:01:39 PM
#3 gives off a slight Rodney Dangerfield-vibe, so I voted for him.
#5 gives a Slobodan Milosevic vibe, so I stayed away.
I didn't know Justin Trudeau's clone was running in the Netherlands. :huh:
#5 gives a Slobodan Milosevic vibe, so I stayed away.
I didn't know Justin Trudeau's clone was running in the Netherlands. :huh:
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 13, 2017, 02:03:15 PM
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 13, 2017, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 13, 2017, 01:32:39 PM
Who gives a fuck, the racist antisemite will win.
I mean, the MOST racist antisemite.
I doubt DENK will will much.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Razgovory on March 13, 2017, 03:08:56 PM
Post by: Razgovory on March 13, 2017, 03:08:56 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
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"I didn't vote for Trump, I don't know what you people are talking about".
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 04:00:12 PM
Post by: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 13, 2017, 03:08:56 PMQuote from: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
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"I didn't vote for Trump, I don't know what you people are talking about".
:huh:
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 13, 2017, 04:22:14 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 13, 2017, 04:22:14 PM
Quote from: The Larch on March 13, 2017, 01:21:27 PM
Half those guys seem like totally bland and interchangeable people, so I guess they're great faceless politicians.
We like our politicians bland and interchangeable. :)
Doesn't look like this election is worth any global coverage though, not sure what the fuss is about.
That said my predictions have been disastrously wrong before :sleep:
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: The Larch on March 13, 2017, 05:21:32 PM
Post by: The Larch on March 13, 2017, 05:21:32 PM
Quote from: Maladict on March 13, 2017, 04:22:14 PMQuote from: The Larch on March 13, 2017, 01:21:27 PM
Half those guys seem like totally bland and interchangeable people, so I guess they're great faceless politicians.
We like our politicians bland and interchangeable. :)
Doesn't look like this election is worth any global coverage though, not sure what the fuss is about.
That said my predictions have been disastrously wrong before :sleep:
There's a fuss because of Wilders, Brexit and assorted Russian-sponsored chicanery going around.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:24:38 PM
Post by: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
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Zoupa is going to lecture you.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 05:38:18 PM
Post by: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:24:38 PMQuote from: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
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Zoupa is going to lecture you.
I should change my avatar.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:39:11 PM
Post by: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:39:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 05:38:18 PMQuote from: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:24:38 PMQuote from: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
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Zoupa is going to lecture you.
I should change my avatar.
DO IT. I'll Change mine to Geert if you do.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 05:44:42 PM
Post by: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:39:11 PM
DO IT. I'll Change mine to Geert if you do.
Done.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:48:33 PM
Post by: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:48:33 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 05:44:42 PMQuote from: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:39:11 PM
DO IT. I'll Change mine to Geert if you do.
Done.
MAXIMUM TROLLING
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Zanza on March 13, 2017, 06:03:34 PM
Post by: Zanza on March 13, 2017, 06:03:34 PM
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Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Grinning_Colossus on March 13, 2017, 06:07:48 PM
Post by: Grinning_Colossus on March 13, 2017, 06:07:48 PM
They're not interchangeable. There's plenty of diversity. One is female, another is part dandelion.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 13, 2017, 06:20:54 PM
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 13, 2017, 06:20:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:48:33 PMQuote from: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 05:44:42 PMQuote from: Ed Anger on March 13, 2017, 05:39:11 PM
DO IT. I'll Change mine to Geert if you do.
Done.
MAXIMUM TROLLING
Great. More pics of chinless Euroweenies.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 14, 2017, 07:40:46 AM
Post by: Maladict on March 14, 2017, 07:40:46 AM
Funny clip on tv about first-time voters, a group of Moroccan women, being given information on the political system and the different parties.
They're incredulous when confronted with the animal rights party and suspect a practical joke. Then, when told about the Christian fundie party leader's preference for traditional gender roles, one of them comments he doesn't look like a Moroccan. :lol:
They're incredulous when confronted with the animal rights party and suspect a practical joke. Then, when told about the Christian fundie party leader's preference for traditional gender roles, one of them comments he doesn't look like a Moroccan. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Drakken on March 14, 2017, 11:42:29 AM
Post by: Drakken on March 14, 2017, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2017, 01:54:27 PM(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhenricodoctors.com%2Futil%2Fimages%2Fgerd-infographic.png&hash=a8d7685e5b0ca2ac6ea4ce0caaf4ca320d9ba1e3)
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Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 14, 2017, 12:56:55 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 14, 2017, 12:56:55 PM
Latest trends
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Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 14, 2017, 01:06:31 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 14, 2017, 01:06:31 PM
And this apparently is where everyone stands, including me.
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Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: The Larch on March 14, 2017, 01:10:11 PM
Post by: The Larch on March 14, 2017, 01:10:11 PM
Wilders going down? Reassuring.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: chipwich on March 14, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
Post by: chipwich on March 14, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
I remember when we had Flemish nationalists on the forum
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: derspiess on March 14, 2017, 01:58:41 PM
Post by: derspiess on March 14, 2017, 01:58:41 PM
Quote from: Maladict on March 14, 2017, 01:06:31 PM
And this apparently is where everyone stands, including me.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3Hin8TB.png&hash=b3e01d7d21618027ee7558326a5e0e1112c120c9)
Is there a quiz? If so, please share the link. I'd like to take it voor shits en giechelt.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 14, 2017, 02:35:47 PM
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 14, 2017, 02:35:47 PM
I think they have their progressive-conservative switched around on the graph
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 14, 2017, 03:01:34 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 14, 2017, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 14, 2017, 01:58:41 PM
Is there a quiz? If so, please share the link. I'd like to take it voor shits en giechelt.
[/quote]
Kieskompas.nl
In Dutch of course, but your German should serve you well :)
And it appears to be experiencing a DDOS attack :bleeding:
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: derspiess on March 14, 2017, 09:58:10 PM
Post by: derspiess on March 14, 2017, 09:58:10 PM
Okay I got:
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Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Ed Anger on March 14, 2017, 10:12:06 PM
Post by: Ed Anger on March 14, 2017, 10:12:06 PM
I'm Hitler.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 01:10:54 AM
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 01:10:54 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 14, 2017, 09:58:10 PM
Okay I got:
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Looks about right :)
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 03:09:21 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 03:09:21 PM
Liberals win by a large margin, Wilders tied for second with two other parties according to exit poll.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 03:11:00 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 03:11:00 PM
VVD 31 41 -10
PvdA 9 38 -29
PVV 19 15 +4
SP 14 15 -1
CDA 19 13 +6
D66 19 12 +7
ChristenUnie 6 5 +1
GroenLinks 16 4 +12
SGP 3 3 0
Partij voor de Dieren 5 2 +3
50Plus 4 2 +2
Piratenpartij 0 0 0
Denk 3 - +3
VNL 0 -
PvdA 9 38 -29
PVV 19 15 +4
SP 14 15 -1
CDA 19 13 +6
D66 19 12 +7
ChristenUnie 6 5 +1
GroenLinks 16 4 +12
SGP 3 3 0
Partij voor de Dieren 5 2 +3
50Plus 4 2 +2
Piratenpartij 0 0 0
Denk 3 - +3
VNL 0 -
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: celedhring on March 15, 2017, 03:15:11 PM
Post by: celedhring on March 15, 2017, 03:15:11 PM
Even taking into account exit poll shenanigans, this seems too large a margin for Wilders to make up. Cross fingers.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 03:24:00 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 03:24:00 PM
Quote from: celedhring on March 15, 2017, 03:15:11 PM
Even taking into account exit poll shenanigans, this seems too large a margin for Wilders to make up. Cross fingers.
Exit polls haven't been off more than 2 seats on average.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
Also note the historic thrashing of Labour (PvdA).
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Josquius on March 15, 2017, 03:57:30 PM
Post by: Josquius on March 15, 2017, 03:57:30 PM
My god. Wilders looks worse than I thought.
Exit polls being wrong is par the course these days.....lets see. Fingers crossed for humanity's sake.
Exit polls being wrong is par the course these days.....lets see. Fingers crossed for humanity's sake.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Habbaku on March 15, 2017, 04:02:16 PM
Post by: Habbaku on March 15, 2017, 04:02:16 PM
Going to be interesting to see who VVD forms a coalition with. With Labor taking it on the chin, they'll have to find some other partners...
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 04:20:49 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 15, 2017, 03:57:30 PM
My god. Wilders looks worse than I thought.
Exit polls being wrong is par the course these days.....lets see. Fingers crossed for humanity's sake.
Revised exit poll came out, no changes in seats.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 04:22:57 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 04:22:57 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on March 15, 2017, 04:02:16 PM
Going to be interesting to see who PVV forms a coalition with. With Labor taking it on the chin, they'll have to find some other partners...
You mean VVD? Yeah, but they do have several options. Looks like right wing though.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Habbaku on March 15, 2017, 04:24:30 PM
Post by: Habbaku on March 15, 2017, 04:24:30 PM
Whoops--corrected, yes, VVD. PVV, of course, will likely be out of government.
The HVAC party is expected to cool down as well, and the HPV party's popularity is downright infectious.
The HVAC party is expected to cool down as well, and the HPV party's popularity is downright infectious.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Razgovory on March 15, 2017, 05:01:42 PM
Post by: Razgovory on March 15, 2017, 05:01:42 PM
A defeat for Bannon, Putin, and Berkut. :yeah:
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 05:36:18 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 05:36:18 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 15, 2017, 05:01:42 PM
A defeat for Bannon, Putin, and Berkut. :yeah:
The quarter final has been won. Over to France and Germany for the semis and final.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: The Minsky Moment on March 15, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
Post by: The Minsky Moment on March 15, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 15, 2017, 05:01:42 PM
A defeat for Bannon, Putin, and Berkut. :yeah:
That's a law firm I would not want on the other side.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Zanza on March 15, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Post by: Zanza on March 15, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Looks like a good result even if Lovely Eyes didn't win like on Languish.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 05:45:51 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 05:45:51 PM
Quote from: Zanza on March 15, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Looks like a good result even if Lovely Eyes didn't win like on Languish.
She seemed to be ecstatic with the result, and rightly so.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 05:49:27 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 15, 2017, 05:49:27 PM
And it takes something big for a German to do this: :P
QuoteNederland oh Nederland jij bent een kampioen!Wij houden van Oranje om zijn daden en zijn doen! Gefeliciteerd met dit geweldig resultaat!
— Peter Altmaier (@peteraltmaier) 15. März 2017
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Grinning_Colossus on March 16, 2017, 09:21:16 AM
Post by: Grinning_Colossus on March 16, 2017, 09:21:16 AM
I imagine that Turkish attempts to throw the election to Wilders will subside now.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 16, 2017, 09:41:45 AM
Post by: Maladict on March 16, 2017, 09:41:45 AM
Results at >99% counted. Wilders edges into second place, but still soundly beaten.
Expect another right wing coalition for the next four years :bleeding:
VVD 33 41 -8
PvdA 9 38 -29
PVV 20 15 +5
SP 14 15 -1
CDA 19 13 +6
D66 19 12 +7
ChristenUnie 5 5 0
GroenLinks 14 4 +10
SGP 3 3 0
Partij voor de Dieren 5 2 +3
50Plus 4 2 +2
Piratenpartij 0 0 0
Denk 3 - +3
VNL 0 - 0
Expect another right wing coalition for the next four years :bleeding:
VVD 33 41 -8
PvdA 9 38 -29
PVV 20 15 +5
SP 14 15 -1
CDA 19 13 +6
D66 19 12 +7
ChristenUnie 5 5 0
GroenLinks 14 4 +10
SGP 3 3 0
Partij voor de Dieren 5 2 +3
50Plus 4 2 +2
Piratenpartij 0 0 0
Denk 3 - +3
VNL 0 - 0
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 16, 2017, 09:59:35 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 16, 2017, 09:59:35 AM
Previous leading party loses seats and the Social-democrats get thrashed...
So Fancy Hair gets more seats and he is soundly beaten? :hmm:
Sounds like a Pyrrhic victory to me.
So Fancy Hair gets more seats and he is soundly beaten? :hmm:
Sounds like a Pyrrhic victory to me.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: celedhring on March 16, 2017, 10:04:44 AM
Post by: celedhring on March 16, 2017, 10:04:44 AM
It is when 2-3 months ago he was comfortably leading the polls.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: celedhring on March 16, 2017, 10:07:10 AM
Post by: celedhring on March 16, 2017, 10:07:10 AM
We might be lucky and maybe seeing Trump's mess is having a sobering effect on some of the least insane populist voters.
America will save the world again, through its own selfless sacrifice.
America will save the world again, through its own selfless sacrifice.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 16, 2017, 10:08:32 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 16, 2017, 10:08:32 AM
So Fancy Hair was hyped to get traction by whatever media and make it sound like a huge victory? Understood!
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 16, 2017, 10:17:06 AM
Post by: Maladict on March 16, 2017, 10:17:06 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 16, 2017, 09:59:35 AM
Previous leading party loses seats and the Social-democrats get thrashed...
So Fancy Hair gets more seats and he is soundly beaten? :hmm:
Sounds like a Pyrrhic victory to me.
Liberals lost seats but they are the largest party by a larger margin than last time. Their coalition partner Labour got trounced for being completely dominated and unrecognisable in the coalition.
Wilders got a few more seats but not nearly as many as he hoped. And not nearly as many as needed to make a difference, since none of the other larger parties will work with him.
And on top of that the chance of a Nexit happening anytime soon seems pretty slim.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 16, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 16, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: Maladict on March 16, 2017, 10:17:06 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on March 16, 2017, 09:59:35 AM
Previous leading party loses seats and the Social-democrats get thrashed...
So Fancy Hair gets more seats and he is soundly beaten? :hmm:
Sounds like a Pyrrhic victory to me.
Liberals lost seats but they are the largest party by a larger margin than last time. Their coalition partner Labour got trounced for being completely dominated and unrecognisable in the coalition.
Wilders got a few more seats but not nearly as many as he hoped. And not nearly as many as needed to make a difference, since none of the other larger parties will work with him.
And on top of that the chance of a Nexit happening anytime soon seems pretty slim.
Fancy Hair's most popular platform was about stopping islamisation so it's not like voters would have followed him for Nexit, is it? Do the Batavians have a problem with Poles, Balts and Romanians (excluding gypsies) like the Brits?
Plus, the economy is not in a bad shape.
PS: once again low expectations are key... I am afraid more will be needed to score such a big victory in France.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: garbon on March 16, 2017, 01:03:38 PM
Post by: garbon on March 16, 2017, 01:03:38 PM
Phew on Wilders.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 16, 2017, 01:52:07 PM
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 16, 2017, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: celedhring on March 16, 2017, 10:04:44 AM
It is when 2-3 months ago he was comfortably leading the polls.
it's classic Wilders: high scores in polls, less so on election day. As always.
and it's not like the parties aren't becoming tougher on the issues he champions.
this was an interesting read given the topic of populism
http://www.lefigaro.fr/vox/societe/2017/03/10/31003-20170310ARTFIG00144-chantal-delsol-le-populisme-est-attache-a-des-enracinements-que-detestent-les-elites.php
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 17, 2017, 05:35:45 AM
Post by: Maladict on March 17, 2017, 05:35:45 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 16, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
Fancy Hair's most popular platform was about stopping islamisation so it's not like voters would have followed him for Nexit, is it? Do the Batavians have a problem with Poles, Balts and Romanians (excluding gypsies) like the Brits?
Yes they do. And Wilders has been railing against eastern Europeans as well, until he found out that railing against Muslims gets him more votes.
And he has repeatedly stated he wants to take the Netherlands out of the EU.
There may not be a perfect correlation among his voters between anti-Muslim and anti-EU, but given their general stupidity nothing correlates much anyway.
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 17, 2017, 05:46:34 AM
Post by: Maladict on March 17, 2017, 05:46:34 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 16, 2017, 01:52:07 PM
it's classic Wilders: high scores in polls, less so on election day. As always.
Not really. It's become common knowledge, but it only happened once before in a general election.
The graph below shows the polls during the last 90 days before each election, the dot shows the actual result.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3ykZ2Vu.jpg&hash=1b8ee304fea8df34256549b36836805602d523f1)
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 18, 2017, 02:42:30 PM
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 18, 2017, 02:42:30 PM
so, endless misery ahead with 3 Erdohate-stooges in Dutch parliament?
Title: Re: Dutch Election, 15th March 2017
Post by: Maladict on March 18, 2017, 05:57:15 PM
Post by: Maladict on March 18, 2017, 05:57:15 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on March 18, 2017, 02:42:30 PM
so, endless misery ahead with 3 Erdohate-stooges in Dutch parliament?
Labour's implosion is to blame for that.
But the way this new party has been going about it suggests they will devolve into three separate parties before the next elections.