So, let's assume Hillary is elected President. What will her presidency look like?
Firstly, what are the chances of the Democrats taking over the Senate in these elections? If they are not too good, then she will be faced with obstruction from day one - something that is quite rare in US history, I believe. Usually, presidents who were straightjacked domestically started wars and otherwise tried to shine internationally - will Hillary try to do so, and if so, what will be the key avenues of her activity?
I presume it will be basically a continuation of the previous administration.
We will never know.
President Kaine will do an awesome job tho.
Investing in pant suits now.
Seems a slightly better than 50% chance she will have the Senate locked up. House will remain GOP and Seedy will whine about gerrymandering or something.
I like her for the same reasons I like Gordon Brown. So everything will go swimmingly :)
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 08, 2016, 09:08:23 AM
I like her for the same reasons I like Gordon Brown. So everything will go swimmingly :)
:lol:
I, as a white male, will be herded into a reeducation camp. :(
Quote from: Valmy on November 08, 2016, 08:12:16 AM
I presume it will be basically a continuation of the previous administration.
Mostly this.
But she has shown a much greater willingness to use military forces. I doubt we'd see a repeat of Obama's backdown from the Syrian red line. And Putin is bound to try and test her on a few fronts.
More wars. Just what we need.
Quote from: derspiess on November 08, 2016, 10:39:26 AM
More wars. Just what we need.
Her husband just bombed people and avoided using ground forces at any cost, even if the cost was blowing up the Chinese Embassy. So hopefully we will be cool.
She'll have more balls.
Quote from: derspiess on November 08, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
Seems a slightly better than 50% chance she will have the Senate locked up. House will remain GOP and Seedy will whine about gerrymandering or something.
It's been proven that ghettos work.
Quote from: derspiess on November 08, 2016, 10:39:26 AM
More wars. Just what we need.
In the long run, wars make us safer&richer.
Never thought you'd join the camp of the defeatocrats, though. ;)
Which reminds me; back in 2004, Hansmeister told us he'd resign his commission in the military if John Kerry got elected--he was that much of a threat to surrendering American democracy to the EvildoersTM.
What's he going to do with a President Hillary Clinton? Active shooter? Fertilizer bomb? Harikari? Gender reassignment? Update his blog? Any guesses?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2016, 11:25:39 AM
Which reminds me; back in 2004, Hansmeister told us he'd resign his commission in the military if John Kerry got elected--he was that much of a threat to surrendering American democracy to the EvildoersTM.
What's he going to do with a President Hillary Clinton? Active shooter? Fertilizer bomb? Harikari? Gender reassignment? Update his blog? Any guesses?
Running the Twitter account for the Armed Orange Insurrection to bring the Obergropenführer to power.
I would be surprised if Hans was a Trump guy, he always struck me as a Republican Establishment type. He constantly spoke out against the Birthers. But I could be wrong.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2016, 11:25:39 AM
Which reminds me; back in 2004, Hansmeister told us he'd resign his commission in the military if John Kerry got elected--he was that much of a threat to surrendering American democracy to the EvildoersTM.
So... what is the process for a non-commissioned officer to resign his non-commission? :huh:
Quote from: viper37 on November 08, 2016, 10:56:45 AM
In the long run, wars make us safer&richer.
Except when they bankrupt us :mellow:
Quote from: derspiess on November 08, 2016, 11:43:56 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 08, 2016, 10:56:45 AM
In the long run, wars make us safer&richer.
Except when they bankrupt us :mellow:
But...but...World War II!!111
Quote from: Valmy on November 08, 2016, 11:44:20 AM
Quote from: derspiess on November 08, 2016, 11:43:56 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 08, 2016, 10:56:45 AM
In the long run, wars make us safer&richer.
Except when they bankrupt us :mellow:
But...but...World War II!!111
:hmm: Had an enormously negative economic effect?
Quote from: Valmy on November 08, 2016, 11:37:59 AM
I would be surprised if Hans was a Trump guy, he always struck me as a Republican Establishment type. He constantly spoke out against the Birthers. But I could be wrong.
I wouldn't. The Clinton Derangement Syndrome types aren't exactly rational. They will vote Trump despite being against most of what he stands for.
Quote from: derspiess on November 08, 2016, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2016, 11:25:39 AM
Which reminds me; back in 2004, Hansmeister told us he'd resign his commission in the military if John Kerry got elected--he was that much of a threat to surrendering American democracy to the EvildoersTM.
So... what is the process for a non-commissioned officer to resign his non-commission? :huh:
Fuck if I know. I was in the War on Drugs.
Quote from: derspiess on November 08, 2016, 11:43:56 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 08, 2016, 10:56:45 AM
In the long run, wars make us safer&richer.
Except when they bankrupt us :mellow:
America got richer in the aftermath of WW1 and WWII. The Cold War, despite the failure of Vietnam did make the US much richer and eventually opened new markets for US products. Same goes for the various low intensity conflict in South&Central America.
Despite your loss in Vietnam, due to increased military presence in Asia, you have managed to contain Chinese influence so far and keep trade relations with lots of countries, even Vietnam itself.
Do you think the world will be a better place if an ISIS-like group wins the day? If Russia or China become the dominant world players?
Going back through time, should the US have found a way to stay out of WWII? What would a Nazi Germany quasi victory and Japan victory in the Pacific would mean to world prosperity in the next 50 years? Do you think America would have been better off in a Cold War with Japan and Germany?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 08, 2016, 11:25:39 AMHansmeister
What happened to him? Did his underlying get him fired?
He needs to drink more, so he can stand being surrounded by liverals.
How long will the Trump legal challenges over alleged voting irregularities persist, should Hillary win? Months? Years? Longer than Hillary's first term? :hmm:
Americans and Russians killing each other, maybe not a full blown war. but something a bit more significant that an accidental or otherwise clash in Syria.
Quote from: Malthus on November 08, 2016, 02:25:41 PM
How long will the Trump legal challenges over alleged voting irregularities persist, should Hillary win? Months? Years? Longer than Hillary's first term? :hmm:
A week or two.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 08, 2016, 02:48:38 PM
Quote from: Malthus on November 08, 2016, 02:25:41 PM
How long will the Trump legal challenges over alleged voting irregularities persist, should Hillary win? Months? Years? Longer than Hillary's first term? :hmm:
A week or two.
Will he concede when they are done, or double down on how the legal system is as rotten as the voting?
Quote from: Malthus on November 08, 2016, 02:53:15 PM
Will he concede when they are done, or double down on how the legal system is as rotten as the voting?
Good question. I suspect after it's in the books a lot of his free media coverage will dry up, so it might depend on how quickly he can start monetizing rage through his pay TV channel.
Quote from: viper37 on November 08, 2016, 01:50:17 PM
Going back through time, should the US have found a way to stay out of WWII? What would a Nazi Germany quasi victory and Japan victory in the Pacific would mean to world prosperity in the next 50 years? Do you think America would have been better off in a Cold War with Japan and Germany?
Germany wouldn't have won, even without the US in the war. The outcome would have been a Europe almost completely dominated by the Soviets, which would have made their ultimate fall all the harder (though they might have done much, much more damage in the meantime).
Quote from: dps on November 08, 2016, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: viper37 on November 08, 2016, 01:50:17 PM
Going back through time, should the US have found a way to stay out of WWII? What would a Nazi Germany quasi victory and Japan victory in the Pacific would mean to world prosperity in the next 50 years? Do you think America would have been better off in a Cold War with Japan and Germany?
Germany wouldn't have won, even without the US in the war. The outcome would have been a Europe almost completely dominated by the Soviets, which would have made their ultimate fall all the harder (though they might have done much, much more damage in the meantime).
Including Britain and France? Would the Soviets have managed to keep their colonies attached? Would those colonies have gone pro-Soviet as well, or formed a resistance?
Quote from: Solmyr on November 08, 2016, 05:02:18 PM
Quote from: dps on November 08, 2016, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: viper37 on November 08, 2016, 01:50:17 PM
Going back through time, should the US have found a way to stay out of WWII? What would a Nazi Germany quasi victory and Japan victory in the Pacific would mean to world prosperity in the next 50 years? Do you think America would have been better off in a Cold War with Japan and Germany?
Germany wouldn't have won, even without the US in the war. The outcome would have been a Europe almost completely dominated by the Soviets, which would have made their ultimate fall all the harder (though they might have done much, much more damage in the meantime).
Including Britain and France?
France, yeah, Britain, probably not. I don't think the Soviets would have in much better a position to cross the Channel than Hitler was.
QuoteWould the Soviets have managed to keep their colonies attached? Would those colonies have gone pro-Soviet as well, or formed a resistance?
I suspect that there would have been bloodier colonial wars, as Britain may have tried to hold on the her colonies in order to help fund her defense against the Soviets, and exiled Frenchmen with nowhere else left to go tried to put down independence movements. Even with dominance over Europe, the Soviets probably wouldn't have been able to project any significant force overseas.
Keep in mind that with no American participation in WWII, there'd have been no Manhattan Project, so no one would have had nukes for a while.
Quote from: dps on November 08, 2016, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: viper37 on November 08, 2016, 01:50:17 PM
Going back through time, should the US have found a way to stay out of WWII? What would a Nazi Germany quasi victory and Japan victory in the Pacific would mean to world prosperity in the next 50 years? Do you think America would have been better off in a Cold War with Japan and Germany?
Germany wouldn't have won, even without the US in the war. The outcome would have been a Europe almost completely dominated by the Soviets, which would have made their ultimate fall all the harder (though they might have done much, much more damage in the meantime).
Depends on the aid Britain and US can smuggle into Soviet territory. Without Allied aid, the USSR would have crumbled.
and in the meantime we know the answer to the question posed at the start of the thread...
Ideal; just like Al Gore before her, she would have always have made the right decision and the relative peace and relative prosperity of the previous administration would have continued forever. The best rulers are always those that never ruled. :)
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 08, 2016, 09:08:23 AM
I like her for the same reasons I like Gordon Brown. So everything will go swimmingly :)
So not entirely wrong.
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 09, 2016, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 08, 2016, 09:08:23 AM
I like her for the same reasons I like Gordon Brown. So everything will go swimmingly :)
So not entirely wrong.
Gordon Brown helped save the UK from dissolution. Haven't seen Hillary do something like that yet :hmm:
Oh but that was after he got beaten in an election. Giver her time.
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 09, 2016, 02:03:48 PM
Oh but that was after he got beaten in an election. Giver her time.
She'll lead an insurrection that'll retake Washington DC from Trumps flanel-shirts in 2019?
Hillary's presidency has been aborted, which not coincidentally may not be legal much longer.