New commentators for the NFL games here. One of them already said "THAT's uncharacteristic of him!" four times. :bleeding:
The amount of words taken directly from English and used as Danish is baffling. No, jeans-wearing TV dude, vision doesn't mean the same thing in Danish as it does in English. :glare:
I need to shell out and get the GamePass because this is ridiculous.
Quote from: Liep on September 18, 2016, 03:47:03 PM
The amount of words taken directly from English and used as Danish is baffling. No, jeans-wearing TV dude, vision doesn't mean the same thing in Danish as it does in English. :glare:
I need to shell out and get the GamePass because this is ridiculous.
Were you the one who posted that youtube about the Danish language being incomprehensible for Danish people?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2016, 03:55:33 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 18, 2016, 03:47:03 PM
The amount of words taken directly from English and used as Danish is baffling. No, jeans-wearing TV dude, vision doesn't mean the same thing in Danish as it does in English. :glare:
I need to shell out and get the GamePass because this is ridiculous.
Were you the one who posted that youtube about the Danish language being incomprehensible for Danish people?
I don't think so... :unsure:
The Texans DL looks pretty good so far.
Wow the Slurs suck this year. Guess this is one of the years in the cycle they finish in last place.
QuoteWeek Two NFL Football Point Spread - NFL Spreads 9/18 - 9/19, 2016
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
9/18 1:00 ET At Detroit -6 Tennessee
9/18 1:00 ET At Houston -1 Kansas City
9/18 1:00 ET At New England -5.5 Miami
9/18 1:00 ET Baltimore -4.5 At Cleveland
9/18 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -3 Cincinnati
9/18 1:00 ET At Washington -3 Dallas
9/18 1:00 ET At NY Giants -3.5 New Orleans
9/18 1:00 ET At Carolina -12.5 San Francisco
9/18 4:05 ET At Arizona -7 Tampa Bay
9/18 4:05 ET Seattle -5.5 At Los Angeles
9/18 4:25 ET At Denver -6 Indianapolis
9/18 4:25 ET At Oakland -4 Atlanta
9/18 4:25 ET At San Diego -3 Jacksonville
9/18 8:30 ET Green Bay -1.5 At Minnesota
Monday Night Football Point Spread
9/19 8:35 ET At Chicago -3 Philadelphia
Damn the Bucs and Jags are getting crushed right now. 40-7 Arizona over Tampa, 35-7 SD over Jax. Still most of the 4th Q left for the Chargers to choke it away, but that might be tough even for them.
NBC is showing shots of the new Vikings stadium. Pretty cool.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2016, 05:16:59 PM
QuoteWeek Two NFL Football Point Spread - NFL Spreads 9/18 - 9/19, 2016
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
9/18 1:00 ET At Detroit -6 Tennessee
As we say in Detroit: SOL - Same Ole Lions. :(
Don't see the connection between that comment and Detroit being favored by six.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 18, 2016, 07:14:07 PM
Don't see the connection between that comment and Detroit being favored by six.
They lost.
Asoka.
Sean Smith might only be able to get work as a poster child for burn victims after his "performance" during the past two weeks. Wow. <_<
If the Browns can't find a way to lose, they'll invent one.
Jimmy Garoppolo has a sprained AC joint and won't be playing vs Houston, but should be back by week 4. I wonder if Edelman will be the backup again next week. The QB from NC State who came in doesn't appear to have done too badly in his limited playing time.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 18, 2016, 08:52:50 PM
Jimmy Garoppolo has a sprained AC joint and won't be playing vs Houston, but should be back by week 4. I wonder if Edelman will be the backup again next week. The QB from NC State who came in doesn't appear to have done too badly in his limited playing time.
I'm glad that's all it was. Looked like it could be worse when it happened.
I almost don't even get pissed seeing the Steelers get all those calls going their way. It's completely expected nowadays.
Quote from: derspiess on September 18, 2016, 11:16:38 PM
I almost don't even get pissed seeing the Steelers get all those calls going their way. It's completely expected nowadays.
Nowadays? Where the fuck have you been?
Peterson has a torn meniscus.
Not that it matters, but here's a nice little collection of all the uncalled holds the Steelers committed yesterday. I think Jesse James may have been one of the team's leading tacklers.
http://700wlw.iheart.com/onair/lance-mcalister-7818/vines-hold-on-a-second-15117710/
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 19, 2016, 05:37:01 AM
Nowadays? Where the fuck have you been?
Used to not be as bad or noticeable in Bengals-Steelers games. I know your Ravens Mileage May Vary.
Quote from: derspiess on September 19, 2016, 05:27:55 PM
Not that it matters, but here's a nice little collection of all the uncalled holds the Steelers committed yesterday. I think Jesse James may have been one of the team's leading tacklers.
http://700wlw.iheart.com/onair/lance-mcalister-7818/vines-hold-on-a-second-15117710/
Looks like pretty standard blocking to me.
Quote from: derspiess on September 19, 2016, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 19, 2016, 05:37:01 AM
Nowadays? Where the fuck have you been?
Used to not be as bad or noticeable in Bengals-Steelers games. I know your Ravens Mileage May Vary.
True: games where it actually mattered for the Bengals have been a relatively recent development. :P
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 19, 2016, 09:57:49 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 19, 2016, 05:27:55 PM
Not that it matters, but here's a nice little collection of all the uncalled holds the Steelers committed yesterday. I think Jesse James may have been one of the team's leading tacklers.
http://700wlw.iheart.com/onair/lance-mcalister-7818/vines-hold-on-a-second-15117710/
Looks like pretty standard blocking to me.
:huh: Seriously? Do you understand what holding is?
I can see the refs looking the other way when 1) there is some grabbing of the jersey in between the shoulder pads, and 2) if the offensive linemen is able to keep his man in front of him while doing so. But bear hugs, headlocks, grabbing inside the shoulderpad, holding on to the back of the jersey for dear life, and outright tackles? That's standard blocking??
Quote from: derspiess on September 19, 2016, 10:43:06 PM
:huh: Seriously? Do you understand what holding is?
I like to think I do.
QuoteI can see the refs looking the other way when 1) there is some grabbing of the jersey in between the shoulder pads, and 2) if the offensive linemen is able to keep his man in front of him while doing so. But bear hugs, headlocks, grabbing inside the shoulderpad, holding on to the back of the jersey for dear life, and outright tackles? That's standard blocking??
Didn't see any of that when I skimmed your link.
Then you had your eyes closed. Or you really have no idea what holding is.
I have a pretty good idea what holding is, and I think those clips, or ones like it, can be found on pretty much any game.
I noticed that the person concerned with uncalled holds did not find one single uncalled hold on his team. Not one! Incredible!
I wonder how the NFL actually manages their conspiracy to cheat teams? Do the officials get a weekly memo about who they are supposed to let hold this week? Text message? Secret envelopes under their hotel room door?
REFS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT
Hey Berkut-- since you are here I wanted to run something by you. In terms of high school rules, the play is dead any time the ball carrier's knee touches the ground, correct? This also applies to a QB kneel-down toward the end of the game, correct?
Quote from: derspiess on September 20, 2016, 09:54:00 AM
REFS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT
Nah, they were wrong at the end of that Central Michigan game.
Quote from: derspiess on September 20, 2016, 09:56:56 AM
Hey Berkut-- since you are here I wanted to run something by you. In terms of high school rules, the play is dead any time the ball carrier's knee touches the ground, correct? This also applies to a QB kneel-down toward the end of the game, correct?
Yes* and yes. There is an exception for the holder on a kick though.
The kneel down has some kind of special handling though, depending on the circumstance.
Quote from: Berkut on September 20, 2016, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 20, 2016, 09:56:56 AM
Hey Berkut-- since you are here I wanted to run something by you. In terms of high school rules, the play is dead any time the ball carrier's knee touches the ground, correct? This also applies to a QB kneel-down toward the end of the game, correct?
Yes* and yes. There is an exception for the holder on a kick though.
The kneel down has some kind of special handling though, depending on the circumstance.
Okay, well here's the sitcheeashon:
My son's team was ahead 20-14 late in a contentious away game. We just got a key first down with about a minute and change left and the other team was down to their last timeout. So we told our boys to get in the victory formation and have the QB kneel down. Problem was we never go under center, so neither the QB nor center looked like they knew what they were doing. So we call a timeout, put our QB back in shotgun, and do the kneel-down that way.
Other team starts complaining that we can't do a kneel-down from a shotgun formation (I know it's weird-looking but I don't see why that would make a difference). So on the next kneel-down they send their right DE around and clobber our QB after he downed the ball. Now our QB did not down the ball immediately-- he took a second or two but was clearly down a step or two before the DE gets to him. DE made no effort to slow down or avoid contact. One of our coaches politely asks the ref to watch the DE next play.
Next play, same thing. DE gets an unnecessary roughness penalty called on him this time, which gives us a meaningless first down and 15 meaningless yards. Other team's coaches and parents totally lose their shit, as if that affected the outcome of the game.
Final play goes without incident as our QB kneeled immediately and nobody him him. Time expires, we win.
I was in the press box to film the next game and the other team's coaches and were up there still bitching about the penalty, saying the QB is "fair game" if he kneels down in a shotgun formation or does not kneel down immediately. Now my understanding is that if the ball carrier's knee is down the play is over. Obviously if he kneels right when the defender is right up on him the defender is not going to be able to stop himself and some contact is to be expected. That was not the case here-- the other team was claiming they had a free shot at him despite the knee being down. Obviously this is not the NFL, so I don't see where they were coming from but the other team's coaches, which seemed to be pretty good coaches overall, were adamant about it.
I don't see how the QBs physical location when he gives himself up by taking a knee would matter, regardless of the level they're playing at. :huh: Spread teams that never operate under center do this all the time at the NCAA level to kill the clock, and given the total unfamiliarity of snapping the ball from under center, the spread HS teams must be doing the same thing e: regularly, I mean.
Just my thoughts. Berk would obviously know for sure.
Quote from: derspiess on September 20, 2016, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 20, 2016, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 20, 2016, 09:56:56 AM
Hey Berkut-- since you are here I wanted to run something by you. In terms of high school rules, the play is dead any time the ball carrier's knee touches the ground, correct? This also applies to a QB kneel-down toward the end of the game, correct?
Yes* and yes. There is an exception for the holder on a kick though.
The kneel down has some kind of special handling though, depending on the circumstance.
Okay, well here's the sitcheeashon:
My son's team was ahead 20-14 late in a contentious away game. We just got a key first down with about a minute and change left and the other team was down to their last timeout. So we told our boys to get in the victory formation and have the QB kneel down. Problem was we never go under center, so neither the QB nor center looked like they knew what they were doing. So we call a timeout, put our QB back in shotgun, and do the kneel-down that way.
Other team starts complaining that we can't do a kneel-down from a shotgun formation (I know it's weird-looking but I don't see why that would make a difference). So on the next kneel-down they send their right DE around and clobber our QB after he downed the ball. Now our QB did not down the ball immediately-- he took a second or two but was clearly down a step or two before the DE gets to him. DE made no effort to slow down or avoid contact. One of our coaches politely asks the ref to watch the DE next play.
Next play, same thing. DE gets an unnecessary roughness penalty called on him this time, which gives us a meaningless first down and 15 meaningless yards. Other team's coaches and parents totally lose their shit, as if that affected the outcome of the game.
Final play goes without incident as our QB kneeled immediately and nobody him him. Time expires, we win.
I was in the press box to film the next game and the other team's coaches and were up there still bitching about the penalty, saying the QB is "fair game" if he kneels down in a shotgun formation or does not kneel down immediately. Now my understanding is that if the ball carrier's knee is down the play is over. Obviously if he kneels right when the defender is right up on him the defender is not going to be able to stop himself and some contact is to be expected. That was not the case here-- the other team was claiming they had a free shot at him despite the knee being down. Obviously this is not the NFL, so I don't see where they were coming from but the other team's coaches, which seemed to be pretty good coaches overall, were adamant about it.
There is no rule around kneeling down at all, and hence no rule around kneeling down in a shotgun formation.
They might be confused about the rule around intentionally grounding the ball to stop the clock. There is an exception to the intentional grounding rule that excepts a QB taking a snap and immediately spiking the ball to stop the clock (this isn't a intentional grounding even though the IG rules would make it one otherwise). That exception includes the stipulation that the QB takes the snap directly from the center, IE it does not apply to a QB in a shotgun formation. That is, to my recollection, the only circumstance under which the QB being under center or not could matter.
For the scenario above, there is no reason the QB cannot take the snap from shotgun. There is no "rule" about taking a knee, but there is a standard practice that if a team announces they will take a knee, we will tell the defense they should not fire off, and should not hit the QB - but honestly, I only do that if the game is such that there isn't a possible play that could change the outcome. In your case, I would not provide that protection, since the game could potentially still be won by the other team given a turn-over.
So what I would tell them is that they can take a knee, but I won't tell the defense they cannot try to force a fumble. I *do* tell a QB that if he is going to take a knee, he MUST do so immediately - if he wants to stand there (and hence let the clock run) before taking a knee, then if he gets hit it is on him. But that hit still has to be legal in and of itself - his protection is against an otherwise LEGAL hit being applied IF he goes to a knee immediately.
But what you described has nothing to do with any of this, to be honest. You cannot hit someone after they are down regardless of whether or not they have announced they will take a knee. Should have been a flag on that first play, if the hit was clearly after the QB was down.
QuoteThat was not the case here-- the other team was claiming they had a free shot at him despite the knee being down.
Fucking youth coaches. Sorry spicey, but this kind of shit just pisses me off.
What would be the point, other than hurting someone? Even if you get a "free shot" at some 10 year old QB, and do...what? If he is down, it won't be a fumble anyway, the ball is dead.
Apparently youth football is way more serious business than I ever thought. I figured it was limited to a few crazy parents and coaches here and there, but
Quote from: Berkut on September 20, 2016, 10:48:44 AM
QuoteThat was not the case here-- the other team was claiming they had a free shot at him despite the knee being down.
Fucking youth coaches. Sorry spicey, but this kind of shit just pisses me off.
What would be the point, other than hurting someone? Even if you get a "free shot" at some 10 year old QB, and do...what? If he is down, it won't be a fumble anyway, the ball is dead.
Actually now that I remember it they said "he's open game", not "free shot". It was one of the parents that said "free shot". That aside, their head coach was the biggest Rage Monster I've ever seen. I haven't seen many NFL or college coaches scream that loud. This team apparently had only lost 3 games since the kids had been playing together, and were completely shocked they lost this game. We were content to get our narrow victory and meekly GTFO. Home team parents were a bit hostile and this was in the middle of nowhere.
We'll play this team again in the playoffs or championship. Should be fun.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 20, 2016, 11:00:03 AM
Apparently youth football is way more serious business than I ever thought. I figured it was limited to a few crazy parents and coaches here and there, but
Varies from area to area, I'm sure. When I played youth football we'd get phone calls to my house from other teams' parents. Just to tell us we were going to lose. Sometimes they'd sprinkle in some threats. It was like this was all people had going on in their lives.
Quote from: derspiess on September 20, 2016, 11:09:08 AM
Varies from area to area, I'm sure. When I played youth football we'd get phone calls to my house from other teams' parents. Just to tell us we were going to lose. Sometimes they'd sprinkle in some threats. It was like this was all people had going on in their lives.
:lol: That's ridiculous. That's pretty much the real life version of Peaked in High School Rob Lowe.
How 'bout them Patriots! ^_^
Shitty effort.
BillB is a Football god.
His scheme seem to work better now that there is no ego in the way.
Espn.com reporting that Jacoby Brissett injured the thumb on his throwing hand in last night's game.
I wonder if anyone has ever done a study on the causal link between unusual first names and playing quarterback.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 23, 2016, 04:51:00 PM
I wonder if anyone has ever done a study on the causal link between unusual first names and playing quarterback.
I dunno. Let's ask Sammy Baugh, Johnny Unitas, Bob Griese, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Tom Brady about it. Well, the first 2 of those are dead, so ask Steve Young and Phil Simms instead.
Quote from: dps on September 23, 2016, 05:04:28 PM
I dunno. Let's ask Sammy Baugh, Johnny Unitas, Bob Griese, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Tom Brady about it. Well, the first 2 of those are dead, so ask Steve Young and Phil Simms instead.
Hopefully one of those guys would understand that the mere existence of QBs with normal names does not disprove the correlation I mentioned.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 23, 2016, 04:02:31 AM
How 'bout them Patriots! ^_^
I was shocked, shocked I tell ya! I expected a close game and one that the Patriots would most likely be on the losing side. But damn, the defense was awesome and the offense played quite well with a rookie QB who is probably still trying to learn the Pat's game system. Now Brissett is injured, thumb injury during the game. May not be available for the next game. I don't know if Garoppolo will be ready/healed either. So things could get even more interesting.
They played a simple game plan flawlessly. It was really enjoyable to watch.
Heard that might bring Yates to play next week.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 23, 2016, 04:51:00 PM
I wonder if anyone has ever done a study on the causal link between unusual first names and playing quarterback.
I doubt it exists. People in all football positions have unusual names. Just ask Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Leger Douzable, Frostee Rucker, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and A.A.Ron Rodgers.
Or Jim Zorn. Sounds like he fought Superman or something.
Quote from: ulmont on September 26, 2016, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 23, 2016, 04:51:00 PM
I wonder if anyone has ever done a study on the causal link between unusual first names and playing quarterback.
I doubt it exists. People in all football positions have unusual names. Just ask Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Leger Douzable, Frostee Rucker, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and A.A.Ron Rodgers.
My favorite name is Siran Stacy. Apparently his mother, after giving birth to him, looked over and saw siran wrap and thus named her son Siran.
Crap, I just looked up siran stacy to see what he is up to, and apparently a few years ago he was in a car accident that killed his wife and four of his kids.
Americans, white or black, have weird names really.
Allegra Kirkland, for exemple.
So last week the Bengals sent in 10 plays for the league to review from their week 2 game with Pittsburgh. The maximum number is 10, so that's what they sent. They decided not to bother with the iffy out of bounds/no TD call and iffy fumble call and focused on the missed holding calls. NFL agreed with the Bengals that all 10 examples they submitted should have been called. Obviously no big benefit to the Bengals other than a sense of vindication.
Except that the refs in the Eagles-Steelers game decided to actually call holding on the Steelers and we saw what their pass blocking is like when they can't get away with it :lol: