Poll
Question:
Who do (or would) you plan on voting for in November?
Option 1: Donald Trump
votes: 7
Option 2: Hillary Clinton
votes: 35
Option 3: Third Party
votes: 6
Option 4: Will not vote
votes: 4
Option 5: Undecided
votes: 3
Now that the Democratic Primary is all over but for the shouting, I'm curious how Languish stacks up on the candidates. Is there anyone who is undecided at this point? Is there anything that would make you change your mind on your candidate?
I plan to vote for Hil. Hil would have to do something outrageous (like appoint Michael Moore her running mate) to make me change my mind; in which case I would vote third party.
Clinton. (never trump :) )
Poll doesn't include a write-in option, which might be significant this election.
Barring something so bizarrely unforeseen that it makes no sense even contemplating ahead of time, I will obviously not support Trump, implicitly or otherwise.
Write-in for William Shatner.
If I was a US citizen, I would vote for Clinton.
Um, yeah.
Conventionally the Jaron option goes last.
If US Citizen: Clinton and hope for the best.
with trump: abandon all hope?
I'd vote for Clinton. But I don't think she is going to change things much for the better, so we face the same problems (maybe bigger) 4 years down the line.
Clinton was my preferred candidate of all the available choices in the primaries, so naturally I'd vote for her in the general as well if I had the option.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on June 08, 2016, 02:10:28 PM
If US Citizen: Clinton and hope for the best.
with trump: abandon all hope?
A desperate choice for these desperate times.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 08, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
I'd vote for Clinton. But I don't think she is going to change things much for the better, so we face the same problems (maybe bigger) 4 years down the line.
Same.
#NeverTrump
I'd vote for Sky Marshal Dienes.
Clinton. Not much of a contest.
I will vote for whoever will make the Marty's of the world convinced I am not one of those kind and sensitive person things. That sounds really bad.
Quote from: Berkut on June 08, 2016, 03:24:46 PM
I will vote for whoever will make the Marty's of the world convinced I am not one of those kind and sensitive person things. That sounds really bad.
Spoken like a true kind and sensitive person.
No idea, just not Trump.
Quote from: katmai on June 08, 2016, 03:32:24 PM
No idea, just not Trump.
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Clinton or third party. Greens maybe, don't know that much about them.
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Third party or maybe Trump.
Quote from: Jacob on June 08, 2016, 02:17:44 PM
Clinton was my preferred candidate of all the available choices in the primaries, so naturally I'd vote for her in the general as well if I had the option.
Same, though only because Biden didn't run and we may just be an indictment away from the joy of a Trump-Biden debate.
But also never Trump.
Sweet Meteor of Death.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 08, 2016, 06:26:41 PM
Sweet Meteor of Death.
I'll put you down as a Lib Dem....
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 08, 2016, 06:28:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 08, 2016, 06:26:41 PM
Sweet Meteor of Death.
I'll put you down as a Lib Dem....
Psst, I think Ed's just commenting on the latest French weather phenomena. :frog:
Quote from: Jacob on June 08, 2016, 02:17:44 PM
Clinton was my preferred candidate of all the available choices in the primaries, so naturally I'd vote for her in the general as well if I had the option.
At this point, I think Americans should be worried about not breaking things. Let Hillary be the progressive she's always wanted to be in her 2nd term. :lol:*
* :lol: specifically for derfetus.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 08, 2016, 07:29:40 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 08, 2016, 02:17:44 PM
Clinton was my preferred candidate of all the available choices in the primaries, so naturally I'd vote for her in the general as well if I had the option.
At this point, I think Americans should be worried about not breaking things. Let Hillary be the progressive she's always wanted to be in her 2nd term. :lol:*
Never mind the liberalness or lack of same, Clinton to me seems like she's the most competent person on offer by a wide margin. I had some affection for Bernie to begin with, but he's come more unhinged as time's gone on to the point that I question his fitness for leadership. Too much pique is not something I find desirable in a leader.
I usually vote third party, but I think I may vote for Hil this time around.
I said a while back what I'd do if it Clinton and Trump were the nominees--I'd vote for a 3rd party candidate if the race wasn't close in NC, and for Mrs. Clinton if it was close.
Man, if Trump was the Democratic nominee and Cruz was the Republican I'd end up voting for Cruz. Cruz is full of bad ideas. Trump has catastrophic ideas. And the he doesn't even know why his ideas are catastrophic. I have it on good authority that when Trump suggested defaulting on the debt Yi's heart stopped for a full minute.
There is still one last thing I must do to earn my woman card.
This reminds me a bit of the 2002 French Presidential election when all those Socialists had to vote for Jacques Chiraq
Though Hillary probably will not win 82.2% of the vote.
I will not vote, of course. My one vote will not change anything. We as individuals need to accept the fact that we cannot change an organisation as large as a country. It is our obligation to stay home.
Having said that, I think Donald Trump is basically as far away from an ideal presidential candidate as possible. Humility is not his strongest point and I cannot imagine him assembling a good team. The man is a bigot and liar. He will lead the country toward disaster. Hillary is not perfect, but she is at least a normal and sane politician. She will likely continue Obama's policies, which I think are mostly reasonable.
#FeeltheJohnson
Quote from: Monoriu on June 08, 2016, 09:59:43 PMHillary is not perfect, but she is at least a normal and sane politician. She will likely continue Obama's policies, which I think are mostly reasonable.
I don't think that will be sufficient in the years to come.
Quote from: citizen k on June 08, 2016, 10:16:06 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 08, 2016, 09:59:43 PMHillary is not perfect, but she is at least a normal and sane politician. She will likely continue Obama's policies, which I think are mostly reasonable.
I don't think that will be sufficient in the years to come.
That may or may not be true, but given the choice between Donald Trump and somebody else, one needs extremely good reasons to not vote for that somebody else.
Quote from: citizen k on June 08, 2016, 10:16:06 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 08, 2016, 09:59:43 PMHillary is not perfect, but she is at least a normal and sane politician. She will likely continue Obama's policies, which I think are mostly reasonable.
I don't think that will be sufficient in the years to come.
Raving insanity and self destructive idiocy based on internet LOLZ is I suppose? Since you seem to communicate entirely in internet memes I guess so.
Sorry I don't think internet memes are sufficient either.
Quote from: Savonarola on June 08, 2016, 01:25:55 PM
Now that the Democratic Primary is all over but for the shouting, I'm curious how Languish stacks up on the candidates. Is there anyone who is undecided at this point? Is there anything that would make you change your mind on your candidate?
I plan to vote for Hil. Hil would have to do something outrageous (like appoint Michael Moore her running mate) to make me change my mind; in which case I would vote third party.
I don't like Hillary. But between her and Trump, I'd vote Hillary, if I could.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 08, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
I'd vote for Clinton. But I don't think she is going to change things much for the better, so we face the same problems (maybe bigger) 4 years down the line.
Yup.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 08, 2016, 01:31:38 PM
Poll doesn't include a write-in option, which might be significant this election.
I forgot where I was for a second and looked for a like or an upvote button for this comment. :blush:
I'd probably put in a blank ballot.
Quote from: Zoupa on June 08, 2016, 11:07:56 PM
I'd probably put in a blank ballot.
Seriously. Since Sanders nixed running as an independent, even the 3rd-party protest vote sounds amazingly like enabling crazy this year.
Let's see. An uncaring conservative with personality problems ....
Or a borderline fascist lunatic.
Tough.
Trump.
Because I am, sadly, a millenial & I vote for the Lolz.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 09, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
Trump.
Because I am, sadly, a millenial & I vote for the Lolz.
Proof that millenials don't deserve the vote. :P
Quote from: Tyr on June 09, 2016, 10:29:53 AM
Let's see. An uncaring conservative with personality problems ....
Or a borderline fascist lunatic.
Tough.
I would still prefer Hindenburg over Hitler :P
All you left wing freaks slitting your own throats over this need to chill out. This Bernie thing was not about him, your day is coming and my days are numbered. The center is not going to hold for long. This might be the last hurrah for sanity before you bastards can get to work destroying my country.
My point was one of obviously Clinton :p
There's a thought - if Clinton does win. In the future will anyone remember bill?
As long as there's an Oral Office.
Has Hillary ever really said what Bill's role will be in her Presidency? I mean he'll be in a unique position. The only concrete example of a presidential spouse taking an active role in contested policy areas was, well, Hillary's role in health care reform (which bombed), so ever since presidential spouses have tended to look after softer areas (like Michelle Obama and kids nutrition).
But Bill is too savvy a politician to leave on the sidelines...
Intern director.
Quote from: Tyr on June 09, 2016, 10:44:57 AM
My point was one of obviously Clinton :p
There's a thought - if Clinton does win. In the future will anyone remember bill?
Certainly. Our first First Gentleman of the nation. His bubba style will be imitated by socialites everywhere.
Trump (never clinton)
Trump of course.
I don't understand how can anyone vote for a proven criminal and congenital lier like Ms Clinton.
With Trump there is a 50/50 chance he will be a good or a bad president, but with Clinton there is a hundred 100 % chance of corruption. Remember all the rapes, all the cover ups, TWA 800, Benghazi, the email gate, the decision to allow the survival of Al Qaeda, and ultimately the attacks on the 9/11. All at the feets of the Clinton machine. How many Clinton psycophants have committed "suicide?
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The 7 Wildest Lies From Hillary Clinton
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Normally, we'd like to focus on positive thoughts around the holiday season. But with Hillary Clinton very recently using the tragedy of 9/11 to justify her ties to Wall Street, especially when those ties were well-established before that day, we found it necessary to analyze some other lies told by the presidential hopeful.
Sure, paring down Clinton's resume of lies and exaggerations is no easy task, but we decided to go with 7 to match the number of deadly sins, many of which the Clinton family is guilty of as well.
To get you in the mood for the following list, we asked rock legend Henry Rollins to share his thoughts on Mrs. Clinton. As a result, he wrote this song ...
Okay, maybe not, but it certainly sets the tone for this list.
Anyway, away we go ...
Dead Broke – In an interview, Clinton stated that she "came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt." Something even the left-leaning Politifact found to be false.
Sniper Fire – During the 2008 campaign, Clinton said she came under sniper fire in Bosnia during the '90s. She went so far as to claim her group ran "with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base." Video of her actual arrival surfaced showing a very calm scene instead, and the Democrat would quickly say she simply misspoke.
Immigrant Grandparents – When discussing immigrant stories, Clinton asserted that "all my grandparents... came over here." It was another story Politifact said was false, as only one of her grandparents was an immigrant.
Sir Edmund Hillary – Seems Clinton can't even bring herself to tell the truth about her own name. She claimed to be named after Sir Edmund Hillary, one of the first men to climb Mt. Everest. One small problem though, the explorer didn't climb Everest until Clinton was 6 years old.
The Few, The Proud, The Marines – Very recently, Clinton claimed to have been turned down by the Marines when she applied in 1975. Washington Post fact-checkers quickly realized the absurdity that a rising legal star at the time, and soon to be wife of Bill Clinton, would drop everything and ship off with the Marines. They gave her a couple of Pinocchios for her tall tale.
Secret E-Mails – Former Secretary of State Clinton claimed her infamous private e-mail server was set up in "accordance with the rules and the regulations in effect." A federal judge disagreed, saying Clinton "violated government policy" when she used a private server to store official State Department messages.
Benghazi – Clearly the most reprehensible lie of them all – Clinton failed to tell the truth about a terrorist attack that killed four Americans in Benghazi. She claimed for weeks, standing over the flag-draped coffins of murdered Americans, that an insensitive YouTube video had incited the violence that occurred that night. Why? Because a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 – which it was – would have destroyed President Obama's re-election chances. But hey, at the end of the day it's worth it to Clinton to tell a politically expedient lie, so long as her party can stay in power.
Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/t-day-evergreen-7-wildest-lies-hillary-clinton/#ixzz4B6HH9YzP
Yeah but Trump murdered the USFL. Point Clinton.
Who?
The biggest difference between liberals and conservatives is that for liberals the end justify the means, and no matter what's the corruption they cover up their fellow democrats to maintain control of power.
While the conservatives are purists who impeach their own president, as in Nixon, and fight a soft civil war becuase half of them don't think Trump is a real conservative with conservative values.
4 million conservatives stayed home on 2012 because Mitt Romney was too liberal in their eyes.
The think is, for conservatives the end does not justify the means.
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 1974, 12:02:16 AM
With Trump there is a 50/50 chance he will be a good or a bad president, but with Clinton there is a hundred 100 % chance of corruption. Remember all the rapes, all the cover ups, TWA 800, Benghazi, the email gate, the decision to allow the survival of Al Qaeda, and ultimately the attacks on the 9/11. All at the feets of the Clinton machine. How many Clinton psycophants have committed "suicide?
Yeah the 90s were a terrible time - low unemployment, high productivity growth, booming stock market, budget surpluses, the US totally ascendant in the world, Russia and China quiescent.
But please by all means blame Bill Clinton for an attack that happened nine months into Bush presidency.
If you believe the US should stand up to Russia, there is no chance Trump will be good - he is Putin's bitch.
If you believe the US should strengthen its allies and confront its foes, there is no chance Trump will be good - he will weaken or destroy NATO thus accomplishing Russia and China's ultimate dream foreign policy goal.
If you believe in fiscal control there is no chance Trump will be good - his budget proposals are the worst of all the candidates in terms of the deficit, and he proposes addressing the problem by treating the US treasury like bankrupt casino debt. It is Chavismo remade for America.
If you believe in economic freedom, there is no chance Trump will be good, his first act will be to invoke emergency powers under the Patriot act to strip assets and impose capital controls on remittances to Mexico.
you don't like Clinton fine. But don't fool yourself into thinking 50/50 on Trump. It's a big zero.
Quote from: Siege on June 09, 2016, 11:52:23 AM
The biggest difference between liberals and conservatives is that for liberals the end justify the means, and no matter what's the corruption they cover up their fellow democrats to maintain control of power.
While the conservatives are purists who impeach their own president, as in Nixon, and fight a soft civil war becuase half of them don't think Trump is a real conservative with conservative values.
4 million conservatives stayed home on 2012 because Mitt Romney was too liberal in their eyes.
The think is, for conservatives the end does not justify the means.
Not really. Leftists are also moronic purists who let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 09, 2016, 11:54:00 AM
Yeah the 90s were a terrible time - low unemployment, high productivity growth, booming stock market, budget surpluses, the US totally ascendant in the world, Russia and China quiescent.
Siege and his people have to really get inventive to make his policies seem bad. To the point they just ignore those and focus on irrelevant bullshit.
Quote from: Siege on June 09, 2016, 11:46:58 AM
Who?
Exactly. What should be famous staple of American Culture destroyed forever, like the peasants living in the ruins of Nineveh never having heard of the Assyrians.
Quote from: Valmy on June 09, 2016, 11:55:59 AM
Quote from: Siege on June 09, 2016, 11:46:58 AM
Who?
Exactly. What should be famous staple of American Culture destroyed forever, like the peasants living in the ruins of Nineveh never having heard of the Assyrians.
When Asserherschelwalkeripal faced off against Steveyoungacharib.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 09, 2016, 11:58:39 AM
When Asserherschelwalkeripal faced off against Steveyoungacharib.
:yes:
:weep:
Oh please, everything good in the 90s wad due to the Republican ran house of Representatives. The 90s were ok despite the Clintons.
Amd yes, the 9/11 was Clinton's fault, just like Zerobama still blames the recession on Bush 2.
As for the original question, it depends. Is Augustus Sol Invictus running?
Quote from: Siege on June 09, 2016, 12:02:47 PM
Oh please, everything good in the 90s wad due to the Republican ran house of Representatives. The 90s were ok despite the Clintons.
And there it is. Nonsense, bad policies by the President could have wrecked havoc. Instead we had a massive expansion of our free trade and good relations abroad, often with Republican opposition. Though, to be fair, often with the opposition of the Democrats and some of their supporters as well.
That is not to say I agreed with everything Clinton did, far from it, but to say things worked out well despite him is just hilariously delusional.
QuoteAmd yes, the 9/11 was Clinton's fault, just like Zerobama still blames the recession on Bush 2.
So you agree with Zerobama since you are holding him up as an example of truth? Interesting.
Quote from: Martinus on June 09, 2016, 12:07:43 PM
As for the original question, it depends. Is Augustus Sol Invictus running?
He's running for the open Senate seat in (where else?) Florida.
Quote from: Siege on June 09, 2016, 12:04:23 PM
Amd yes, the 9/11 was Clinton's fault, just like Zerobama still blames the recession on Bush 2.
The difference is that the financial collapse and recession actually occurred during Bush's term. I realize that things like the regular succession of time can confuse some conservatives but it is a pretty elementary distinction.
Now personally I don't think the recession was really much of Bush's fault, in fact I think his people came up with a pretty decent policy response given the political constraints. Then again, I think bin Laden is actually at fault for 9/11 so I'm weird that way.
Seeb, I thought you claimed to be a free market guy. How can a free market guy support Trump?
Quote from: Siege on June 09, 2016, 11:52:23 AM
The biggest difference between liberals and conservatives is that for liberals the end justify the means, and no matter what's the corruption they cover up their fellow democrats to maintain control of power.
While the conservatives are purists who impeach their own president, as in Nixon, and fight a soft civil war becuase half of them don't think Trump is a real conservative with conservative values.
4 million conservatives stayed home on 2012 because Mitt Romney was too liberal in their eyes.
The think is, for conservatives the end does not justify the means.
Republicans never impeached Nixon. Take a look at what happened to Cap Weinberger and see how purist the Republicans are.
To be fair a lot of republicans acted very honorably over Watergate, even at the cost of their partisan interest.
However, also to be fair that particular breed of republican is rather rare on the ground these days. Can't see Elliot Richardson being a big macher in the present day GOP.
Quote from: Siege on June 09, 2016, 12:04:23 PM
Amd yes, the 9/11 was Clinton's fault, just like Zerobama still blames the recession on Bush 2.
We aren't in a recession. A recession started under Bush, it's gone now.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 09, 2016, 12:17:35 PM
Seeb, I thought you claimed to be a free market guy. How can a free market guy support Trump?
You don't actually have to be a conservative. You just need talk radio to say you are. I'm actually rather amazed by this turnabout.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 08, 2016, 09:59:43 PM
I will not vote, of course. My one vote will not change anything. We as individuals need to accept the fact that we cannot change an organisation as large as a country. It is our obligation to stay home.
I saw this Peanuts strip, Mono, and I thought of you:
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Whenever the stars make me feel insignificant I just look at single cellular lifeforms and feel like a titan.
Quote from: Valmy on June 09, 2016, 03:06:24 PM
Whenever the stars make me feel insignificant I just look at single cellular lifeforms and feel like a titan.
Valmy: Giant among amoebas
If Valmy has seen further...
Quote from: Valmy on June 09, 2016, 03:06:24 PM
Whenever the stars make me feel insignificant I just look at single cellular lifeforms and feel like a titan.
I always think of stars as "dead light". Echoes of what once was.
Or they might be simulated.