Apparently he's calling for extra-judicial killings to start immediately - inside prisons, targetting"corrupt journalists", targetting top ranking military officers, and anyone else who is bad. He is also, apparently is planning on rewriting the constitution.
Languishites, how is this going to go? As bad as Venezuela? More like Turkey? Its own very special fucked scenario?
When I was on holiday I got chatting to a Filipino guy who was a big supporter of him. Said he was who the common people wanted to win.
Me: :mellow: That's nice....very warm isn't it?
I'm ignored :weep:
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,13946.msg975179.html#msg975179
Seems like it will go pear shaped even faster than Venezuela. Chavez had tons of oil in a time of high prices to prop up the economy, and he mostly imprisoned people. He didn't bust out roving death squads immediately.
The Philippines is only an hour's flight from Hong Kong. It is actually very near. I grew up with a Filipino maid living in my flat. More than a hundred thousand Filipino maids are in Hong Kong and they camp in Central every Sunday. There are entire malls dedicated to serving their needs. But I have never been there, and have no intention to do so. All of my previous interactions with the place and the people don't leave me with a good impression.
Indonesia has announced that they will cease exporting maids. No idea how that will turn out. But this news from the Philippines likely means exporting maids will continue to be one of their most important businesses in the forseeable future. The difference between Flilipino and Indonesian maids is that the former are usually more highly educated, speak English, but suck at cooking and are less hardworking. Indonesian maids speak Cantonese (they specifically learn the dialect for the job), are better at cooking and cleaning, but are Muslims (Filipinos tend to be Catholics). The reason religion matters is because many Indonesian maids refuse to cook pork, which is commonly found in Chinese cuisine.
They'll be okay.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 31, 2016, 10:23:16 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2016, 09:54:56 PM
They'll be okay.
Just like Venezuela's okay?
I never said Venezuela would be okay. I predicted way back when Chavez took power that they'd turn into a shithole.
Deng and Pinochet both taught us that it is possible to murder your own citizens as a matter of policy and still have the economy grow at 10%. It that sense derspiess may be right.
Will he champion the systematic use of torture like a POTUS? Sorry, I mean Enhanced Torture Techniques.
I distinctly remember there was a time when the Philippines had a coup like every 18 months. Or less. They seem to have fixed that.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 01, 2016, 10:43:19 AM
I distinctly remember there was a time when the Philippines had a coup like every 18 months. Or less. They seem to have fixed that.
I only remember one coup attempt after Marcos was ousted, thwarted at least in part by US Phantoms buzzing the barracks.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 01, 2016, 10:43:19 AM
I distinctly remember there was a time when the Philippines had a coup like every 18 months. Or less. They seem to have fixed that.
I only remember one coup attempt after Marcos was ousted, thwarted at least in part by US Phantoms buzzing the barracks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986%E2%80%9390_Philippine_coup_attempts
Wiki says 6 coup attempts between 1986-87. 2 attempts in 1989, 2 attempts in 1990, 2 in 2001, 1 in 2003, 1 in 2006, and 1 in 2007. Because so many HK families have Filipino maids, there are so many Filipinos in HK, and so many HKers go there for vacation (it is nearby and cheap), the coup attempts receive wide coverage in HK.
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2016, 08:44:04 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 31, 2016, 10:23:16 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2016, 09:54:56 PM
They'll be okay.
Just like Venezuela's okay?
I never said Venezuela would be okay. I predicted way back when Chavez took power that they'd turn into a shithole.
Then what's the difference?
I think there is a lot less danger from non ideological blowhard demagogues like Duterte and Trump than ideological ones with deep movements behind them. Duterte's power base is based on people believing he is effective. He takes no prisoners and gets things done. So once he fails to get things done, he is going to have a problem.
Ideological movements like the "Bolivarian Revolution" tap into the right vs. left polarization that already exists. Sure they will also suffer from ineffectiveness, but there will still be ideological true believers, and those who believe the other side is worse, which combined with the power of the state can be enough to hold on a bit longer.
I'm not sure that works. I mean I think Putin and Erdogan broadly fall into that category and in both cases they've distracted domestic issues into foreign policy with damaging results.
Do you really want a failing tough man whipping up the crowds about, say, South China Sea islands? It seems like the Pacific rim is the last place - except the US - we need that sort of leadership.
I agree with Shelf. I don't see Robert Mugabe as particularly ideological.
The biggest difference with left populist fuckups is that western academics cheer along as they flush their country down the toilet. :P
Right populists just have Breitbart writers and Republican Presidential candidates :P
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 01, 2016, 07:01:55 PM
I'm not sure that works. I mean I think Putin and Erdogan broadly fall into that category and in both cases they've distracted domestic issues into foreign policy with damaging results.
Do you really want a failing tough man whipping up the crowds about, say, South China Sea islands? It seems like the Pacific rim is the last place - except the US - we need that sort of leadership.
Neither of those guys have been anywhere near Venezuela level disastrous for their countries. The economic performance of their respective countries have been generally positive since they took over, current trends notwithstanding.
Yi: Mugabe has been Venezuela level disastrous, but I wouldn't say an anti colonial leader is non ideological.
I think this is yet another case of "we have tried the same corrupt politicians for decades and our lives have not improved. Let's try somebody new. Anybody not in the old crowd."
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 01, 2016, 07:14:57 PM
Right populists just have Breitbart writers and Republican Presidential candidates :P
Huckabee :bleeding:
The death squads have begun to reap their gruesome toll.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-04/philippines-police-officers-rewarded-with-first-kill-bounties/7477548
Quote
Philippines police rewarded for killing traffickers as part of bounty election promise
Posted 4 Jun 2016, 12:05pm
Philippines' president-elect Rodrigo Duterte
A Philippines politician said he had given more than $4,000 to police officers for killing drug traffickers — the first such rewards since president-elect Rodrigo Duterte promoted bounties for slain criminals.
Mr Duterte won last month's elections in a landslide after pledging to wipe out crime by killing tens of thousands of criminals, and this week said he would pay bounties to law enforcement officers for dead drug traffickers.
Tomas Osmena, mayor-elect of Cebu, the nation's second-biggest city, offered similar rewards and announced on his Facebook page on Thursday night he had paid out $4,480 to police who killed three men he said were drug traffickers.
Mr Osmena posted a series of comments celebrating the deaths of the three men, as he lashed out at the Commission on Human Rights — a constitutionally mandated body — for investigating the circumstances of the May 28 killings.
"CHR = Criminals. Have. Rights. (Even more than the real victims)," Mr Osmena wrote.
Mr Osmena described one of the slain suspects, Rowen Secretaria, as one of Cebu's biggest drug dealers.
He did not return calls from AFP news agency requesting comment, and in a previous interview refused to disclose where the money for the bounties would come from.
Mr Osmena and Mr Duterte — like all winners in the national elections — will not take office until June 30.
But Mr Duterte this week urged security forces to begin the war on crime immediately, calling on them to kill criminals.
Mr Duterte announced on Tuesday he would pay $28,509 to law enforcers for killing drug lords, with lesser amounts for lower-ranking people in drug syndicates.
However, Mr Osmena's rewards are the first confirmation of a payment being made for killing a suspect.
Mr Duterte's law-and-order campaign pledges hypnotised millions of Filipinos hoping for quick solutions to the nation's deep-rooted problems of crime and corruption.
However, human rights groups and other critics voiced alarm that a Duterte presidency would lead to extrajudicial killings and a general breakdown in the rule of law.
A recent spate of drug suspects being killed has deepened those fears.
Police have confirmed killing at least 15 drug suspects, including Mr Secretaria and his group, since May 24.
However, police have insisted all of those deaths occurred because the suspects fought back, and there were no illegal killings.
Earlier this week, Mr Duterte told reporters there was justification for killing journalists who took bribes or engaged in other corrupt activities.
AFP
:o Frank Drebin should have worked over there instead!
I am even less inclined to go there now. Their law enforcement now have extra incentive to find drugs in my possessions. By whatever means necessary :ph34r:
yes, it's the problem with bounties like these, anybody can be a drug trafficker now.
Quote from: viper37 on June 13, 2016, 12:34:12 PM
yes, it's the problem with bounties like these, anybody can be a drug trafficker now.
Could be a bug, could be a feature.
This guy gives me a murder boner.
Duterte calls on people to murder drug addicts. Has there actually been any meaningful international response to this madman?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/01/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-urges-people-to-kill-drug-addicts (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/01/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-urges-people-to-kill-drug-addicts)
Quote
Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte urges people to kill drug addicts
Duterte, 71, won power in a landslide after a campaign dominated by threats to kill tens of thousands in a war on crime
Authoritarian firebrand Rodrigo Duterte was sworn in as the Philippines' president on Thursday, extending an olive branch to the country's elites in his official speech, only to later vow to wipe out drug traffickers and urge the population to kill addicts.
Duterte, 71, won last month's election in a landslide after a campaign dominated by threats to kill tens of thousands of criminals in a relentless war on crime, and tirades against the nation's elite that cast him as an incendiary, anti-establishment hero.
Following a measured speech after taking his oath before a small audience inside the presidential palace, the outspoken leader paid an evening visit to a Manila slum and unleashed profanity-laden threats against drug traffickers in front of a crowd of about 500 people
"These sons of whores are destroying our children. I warn you, don't go into that, even if you're a policeman, because I will really kill you," the head of state told the audience.
"If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it would be too painful."
Duterte has previously alleged some police officers were engaged in drug trafficking.
Repeating a favourite campaign refrain, the new president also said it would make good business sense to set up funeral parlours.
"I assure you you won't go bankrupt. If your business slows I will tell the police, 'Do it faster to help the people earn money'."
In his speech earlier at the Malacanang presidential palace, as he took over from Benigno Aquino, Duterte had given notice there would be dark days during his six years in office.
"The ride will be rough but come join me just the same," Duterte said in his remarks, which opened with familiar themes about the need to instil discipline in a graft-infested society.
"The problems that bedevil our country today which need to be addressed with urgency are corruption, both in the high and low echelons in government, criminality in the streets and the rampant sale of illegal drugs in all strata of Philippine society and the breakdown of law and order."
Duterte, a lawyer who earned a reputation as an authoritarian figure as mayor of the southern city of Davao over most of the past two decades, said these problems were symptoms of eroding Filipino faith in their leaders.
He had previously outlined a vision for his anti-crime program that included reintroducing the death penalty, with hanging his preferred method of execution.
He said he would issue shoot-to-kill orders to the security services and offer them bounties for the bodies of drug dealers. He also urged ordinary Filipinos to kill suspected criminals.
During the campaign, Duterte said 100,000 people would die in his crackdown, with so many dead bodies dumped in Manila Bay that fish there would grow fat from feeding on them.
He has been accused of links to vigilante death squads in Davao, which rights groups say have killed more than 1,000 people.
Such groups are concerned that extrajudicial killings could spread across the Philippines under him, with a police crackdown following his election already leaving dozens of people dead.
During the election campaign, Duterte picked fights with the envoys of key allies the US and Australia after they criticised his joke about wanting to rape a "beautiful" Australian missionary who was sexually assaulted and killed in a Davao prison riot.
After his election win, Duterte also launched a seemingly unprovoked attack against the United Nations.
"Fuck you UN, you can't even solve the Middle East carnage ... couldn't even lift a finger in Africa [with the] butchering [of] the black people. Shut up all of you," he said.
On Thursday, Duterte offered a muted message of friendship to the international community.
"On the international front and community of nations, let me reiterate that the Republic of the Philippines will honour treaties and international obligations," he said.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 01, 2016, 07:01:55 PM
I'm not sure that works. I mean I think Putin and Erdogan broadly fall into that category and in both cases they've distracted domestic issues into foreign policy with damaging results.
Do you really want a failing tough man whipping up the crowds about, say, South China Sea islands? It seems like the Pacific rim is the last place - except the US - we need that sort of leadership.
I think those with a weak ideology are more dangerous because the are often less predictable. We tend to know how the Chinese will react. Putin tends to surprise us.
QuoteDuterte, a lawyer who earned a reputation as an authoritarian figure as mayor of the southern city of Davao over most of the past two decades,
And yet it's
the place to be seen every year; if he were really that bad, the World Economic Forum would've picked another city years ago.
Quote"Fuck you UN, you can't even solve the Middle East carnage ... couldn't even lift a finger in Africa [with the] butchering [of] the black people. Shut up all of you," he said.
Kinda got you there, UN.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 14, 2016, 09:23:02 AM
This guy gives me a murder boner.
Your avatar is giving me a murder boner. :perv:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 01, 2016, 09:31:46 PM
And yet it's the place to be seen every year; if he were really that bad, the World Economic Forum would've picked another city years ago.
Davos, Davao... it's hard to tell Switzerland and the Philippines apart.
At least Languish has you on the joke bomb squad to detonate them in place, g.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.icebergtees.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F01%2Fcartoon-bomb-squad.gif&hash=4f952521f8928a10c9448ca1bb65f801b362d10b)
Saw a news report the government was crowing about over one hundred suspect having already been killed. <_<
More than 700 killed so far. :(
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/02/more-than-700-killed-in-less-than-three-months-in-filipino-drugs-crackdown
That's it. I am a pussy and I hereby declare that I will not visit the Philippines until this stops. The risk of a random policeman walking up to me and accusing me of dealing in drugs is too much for me to bear.
Quote from: Monoriu on August 02, 2016, 07:48:16 PM
That's it. I am a pussy and I hereby declare that I will not visit the Philippines until this stops. The risk of a random policeman walking up to me and accusing me of dealing in drugs is too much for me to bear.
As long as your stance isn't based on any kind of principle other than self-interest, I believe you.
Quote from: grumbler on August 02, 2016, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 02, 2016, 07:48:16 PM
That's it. I am a pussy and I hereby declare that I will not visit the Philippines until this stops. The risk of a random policeman walking up to me and accusing me of dealing in drugs is too much for me to bear.
As long as your stance isn't based on any kind of principle other than self-interest, I believe you.
Self-interest is one of the most powerful forces in the universe :contract:
Grumbler's response here is a little weird.
Quote from: Monoriu on August 02, 2016, 08:33:10 PM
Quote from: grumbler on August 02, 2016, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 02, 2016, 07:48:16 PM
That's it. I am a pussy and I hereby declare that I will not visit the Philippines until this stops. The risk of a random policeman walking up to me and accusing me of dealing in drugs is too much for me to bear.
As long as your stance isn't based on any kind of principle other than self-interest, I believe you.
Self-interest is one of the most powerful forces in the universe :contract:
The universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: Energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest.
I'm sure Obama can survive a rebuke from the ruler of the Philippines.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/duterte-tells-obama-not-him-killings-101149877.html
QuoteDuterte tells Obama not to question him about killings
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte warned President Barack Obama on Monday not to question him about extrajudicial killings, or "son of a bitch I will swear at you" when they meet in Laos during a regional summit.
Duterte said before flying to Laos that he is a leader of a sovereign country and is answerable only to the Filipino people. He was answering a reporter's question about how he intends to explain the extrajudicial killings to Obama. More than 2,000 suspected drug pushers and users have been killed since Duterte launched a war on drugs after taking office on June 30.
In his typical foul-mouthed style, Duterte responded: "I am a president of a sovereign state and we have long ceased to be a colony. I do not have any master except the Filipino people, nobody but nobody. You must be respectful. Do not just throw questions. Putang ina I will swear at you in that forum," he said, using the Tagalog phrase for son of a bitch.
Duterte has earlier cursed the pope and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.
It isn't clear whether Obama planned to raise the issue of extrajudicial killings with Duterte during a scheduled meeting on the sidelines of the summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.
Asked at a news conference in Hangzhou, China, whether he still intends to meet with Duterte and raise the issue of extrajudicial killings, Obama said he had instructed his aides to assess whether it is still possible for the two leaders to have a constructive meeting in Laos.
"I always want to make sure that if I'm having a meeting that it's actually productive, and that we're getting something done," Obama said.
"We recognize the significant burden that the drug trade plays not just in the Philippines but around the world, and fighting narco-trafficking is tough. But we will always assert the need to have due process and to engage in that fight against drugs in a way that's consistent with basic international norms. And so, undoubtedly, if and when we have a meeting this is something that is going to be brought up," said Obama, who has been attending a meeting of the Group of 20 nations.
"Who is he to confront me?" Duterte said in his remarks, adding that the Philippines had not received an apology from the United States for misdeeds committed during its colonization of the Philippines.
He pointed to the killing of Muslim Moros more than a century ago during a U.S. pacification campaign in the southern Philippines, blaming the wounds of the past as "the reason why (the south) continues to boil" with separatist insurgencies.
Last week, Duterte said he was ready to defend his bloody crackdown on illegal drugs, which has sparked concern from the U.S. and other countries.
Duterte said he would demand that Obama allow him to first explain the context of his crackdown before engaging the U.S. president in a discussion of the deaths.
I also like the 'who is he to confront me'? Umm, only the most powerful man in the world. :hmm:
If I was the most powerful man in the world with a calendar filled to the brim, I would not meet with insignificant people who insult me before the meeting even started. Obama should just go and play a round of golf instead.
Quote from: garbon on September 05, 2016, 08:49:40 AM
I'm sure Obama can survive a rebuke from the ruler of the Philippines.
Meh, he gets worse from Congress. And governors. And sheriffs. And candidates.
Quote from: Zanza on September 05, 2016, 12:24:32 PM
If I was the most powerful man in the world with a calendar filled to the brim, I would not meet with insignificant people who insult me before the meeting even started. Obama should just go and play a round of golf instead.
Obama felt the same.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/05/politics/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-barack-obama/
QuoteAfter cursing Obama, Duterte expresses regret
Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte is expressing regret after his obscenity-laden rant against President Barack Obama prompted the White House to cancel planned bilateral talks between the two leaders.
Duterte, who cursed Obama as a "son of a bitch" Monday, said in a statement through his spokesman that he regretted "it came across as a personal attack on the US President."
"We look forward to ironing out differences arising out of national priorities and perceptions," the statement released on Tuesday read.
White House officials previously said Obama would confront Duterte about his country's handling of drug dealers, including extrajudicial killings, which are government executions without the benefit of judicial proceedings.
"Who does he think he is? I am no American puppet. I am the president of a sovereign country and I am not answerable to anyone except the Filipino people," Duterte scoffed in a speech Monday. "Son of a bitch, I will swear at you."
Obama has worked hard to develop the Philippines' partnership with the US and as a regional counterbalance to China. He's visited the country twice in his second term, and announced on a stop there in November the return of a US military presence at a critical naval base on the South China Sea.
But Duterte's derogatory comments and a spike in extrajudicial killings of suspected drug dealers put the relationship in stormier waters.
Obama and Duterte had been set to meet in Laos this week, where Obama is attending a meeting of Southeast Asian leaders. The statement from Duterte's spokesman said the "meeting has been mutually agreed upon to be moved to a later date."
Obama instead will meet on Tuesday with President Park Geun-hye of South Korea.
In his speech Monday, Duterte also blamed the United States for causing the unrest on the southern Philippines island of Mindanao.
"As a matter of fact, we inherited this problem from the United States," he said. "Why? Because they invaded this country and made us their subjugated people. Everybody has a terrible record of extrajudicial killing. Why make an issue about fighting crime?"
He added: "Look at the human rights of America along that line. The way they treat the migrants there."
Obama indicated Monday he was wary of meeting with Duterte, suggesting the bombast could prevent making substantial progress between the two nations.
"I always want to make sure if I'm having a meeting that it's productive and we're getting something done," Obama said during a news conference.
"If and when we have a meeting, this is something that is going to be brought up," Obama said, referring to the Philippines' controversial record of combating drug crime since Duterte took office earlier this year.
Later, on Monday afternoon, the White House announced the meeting was canceled.
Yeah why waste time with this clown? Nothing productive will be accomplished and all it will do is provide him a platform to grandstand.
Quote"Who does he think he is? I am no American puppet. I am the president of a sovereign country and I am not answerable to anyone except the Filipino people,"
True. Do they like you trashing your nation's interests for no other purpose than the satisfaction of screaming out obscenities?
Obama should let the CIA topple his government, just to do it.
I'm sure we've got the handbook around somewhere.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 06, 2016, 12:27:58 PM
Obama should let the CIA topple his government, just to do it.
I'm sure we've got the handbook around somewhere.
It is what their good at. Topple a government, then have no plan after. :lol: Then withdraw with mission accomplished.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 06, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 06, 2016, 12:27:58 PM
Obama should let the CIA topple his government, just to do it.
I'm sure we've got the handbook around somewhere.
It is what their good at. Topple a government, then have no plan after. :lol: Then withdraw with mission accomplished.
it makes things interesting.
Of course it is. "But you didn't tell us to do that."
"The budget for the follow-on mission was not approved."
Quote from: Zanza on September 07, 2016, 12:54:53 AM
"The budget for the follow-on mission was not approved."
"The follow-on mission is unnecessary, because they will greet us with flowers."
True story.
Apparently there's a senate hearing on Duterte's previous activities. But of course it's all useless without evidence.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/15/philippines-president-drug-dealers-rodrigo-duterte-extrajudicial-killings-crocodile
QuotePhilippines president ordered murders and killed official, claims hitman
Spokesman for Rodrigo Duterte rejects accusations of extrajudicial killings – which include feeding man to crocodile
The Philippines president, Rodrigo Duterte, ordered members of a death squad to kill criminals and opponents and even personally "finished off" a justice department employee with a submachine gun, a self-confessed former assassin has testified.
Edgar Matobato, 57, told a nationally televised senate committee hearing that he had heard Duterte order some of the assaults that left around 1,000 people dead from 1988 to 2013 in Davao city, where Duterte was mayor for more than two decades.
The inquiry is being led by senator Leila de Lima, a staunch critic of Duterte's anti-drug campaign that has left more than 3,000 suspected drug users and dealers dead since he assumed the presidency in June.
Duterte, who is known as both "the Punisher" and "Duterte Harry" for his bloody stance on fighting crime, has previously denied involvement in extra-judicial killings, but also made contradictory statements that he either condones or is even part of the vigilante group known as the Davao Death Squad.
The presidential spokesman Martin Andanar rejected Matobato's accusation on Thursday, saying the government had investigated Duterte's time as mayor. "I don't think he's capable of giving a directive like that. The Commission on Human Rights already investigated this a long time ago and no charges were filed," he said. The justice secretary, Vitaliano Aguirre, called the allegations "lies and fabrications".
Matobato told the senate hearing that he had carried out about 50 of the killings, including that of a man who was fed to a crocodile in 2007. "I didn't kill anyone unless ordered by Charlie Mike," he said, telling the senate it was the vigilante squad's code name for the then-mayor.
Matobato said he also was part of a group that in 1993 were stopped on a road by an agent from the justice department's National Bureau of Investigation, leading to a shootout. Duterte arrived at the scene, Matobato said, and killed the man.
"Mayor Duterte was the one who finished him off. Jamisola [the justice department official] was still alive when he [Duterte] arrived. He emptied two Uzi magazines on him."
"Our job was to kill criminals, rapists, [drug] pushers and snatchers. That's what we did. We killed people almost on a daily basis," he added.
Matobato said the killings started in 1988 and continued to 2013, when he tried to leave the death squad. His associates then attempted to implicate him criminally in one killing, he added.
The victims included petty criminals and opponents of Duterte's family, including a billionaire hotelier from central Cebu province who was killed in 2014. Matobato said that man was murdered because he had a feud with Duterte's son over a woman.
Duterte's son, Paolo Duterte, said Matobato was "a madman" and described his testimony as "mere hearsay".
Matobato said he had also killed and chopped up another victim, a suspected foreign terrorist who he said was buried in a quarry in 2002. Another victim was a Duterte critic and radio commentator, Jun Pala, who was killed by motorcycle-riding gunmen while walking home in 2003.
Following the bombing of a Roman Catholic cathedral in 1993, Matobato said, Duterte ordered him and his colleagues to launch attacks on mosques in Davao.
He said some victims were dropped into the sea with their stomachs cut open so the fish would eat them. "They were killed like chickens," he said.
Matobato has since entered a government witness-protection program but left when Duterte became president, fearing he would be targeted. The hearing was at one point halted briefly so senators could discuss how to provide Matobato safety following his statement.
The shocking testimony led to senator Alan Peter Cayetano, who ran an unsuccessful campaign for vice-president as Duterte's running mate, to accuse Matobato of being part of a plot to overthrow the president.
De Lima eventually told Cayetano, who was not a member of the committee, that he was abusing the time allotted to him.
The months-long hearing has mostly focused on Duterte's time as head of state this year, revealing that more than 1,000 people have died in police operations since his election.
In the face of public criticism, Duterte accused De Lima of involvement in illegal drugs, alleging that she used to have a driver who took money from detained drug lords. She has denied the allegations.
In the run-up to the May election that he won with significant margins, Duterte said the Philippines should build funeral parlours, not prisons, to cope with drug pushers in his time in office.
In 2009, Human Rights Watch released a report calling for the Philippines to dismantle highly organised vigilante gangs it said were directly linked to government officials and police in Davao, a city of 1.5 million where Duterte has been elected mayor seven times.
Duterte warned as mayor that criminals were a "legitimate target of assassination", and Human Rights Watch said some victims had been killed after the mayor announced their names on local television.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/30/rodrigo-duterte-vows-to-kill-3-million-drug-addicts-and-likens-himself-to-hitler
QuoteRodrigo Duterte vows to kill 3 million drug addicts and likens himself to Hitler
'If Germany had Hitler, the Philippines would have ...,' the president said, pointing to himself
Rodrigo Duterte, the Philippines president, appears to have compared himself to Hitler, saying he would be "happy to slaughter" millions of drug addicts in his bloody war on crime.
During a press conference in his home city of Davao, the former prosecutor told reporters that he had been compared to a "cousin of Hitler" by his critics.
"If Germany had Hitler, the Philippines would have...," he said, pausing and pointing to himself.
"Hitler massacred three million Jews ... there's three million drug addicts. There are. I'd be happy to slaughter them."
More than six million Jews were killed by the Nazis and their collaborators before and during the second world war, according to historians.
Duterte has spent his first three months in office running a campaign to kill all involved in the rampant drugs trade, including alleged addicts, causing outrage from rights groups and foreign governments.
More than 3,500 alleged drug dealers and addicts have been killed, about a third of them in police operations but the majority by armed vigilante militias. Duterte has publicly encouraged civilians to kill addicts and said he will not prosecute police for extrajudicial executions.
"You know my victims. I would like (them) to be all criminals to finish the problem of my country and save the next generation from perdition," he said during the press conference early on Friday.
I would have said he erred, but Asian counties seem to have a weird relationship with Hitler.
His only misstep is that if he keeps getting bad press in the West, people will be less and less likely to want to invest in his country. Perhaps not a winning strategy for a war on crime.
Quote from: HVC on September 30, 2016, 07:04:17 AM
I would have said he erred, but Asian counties seem to have a weird relationship with Hitler.
I don't know what you mean :huh:
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Quote from: Syt on September 30, 2016, 06:45:32 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/30/rodrigo-duterte-vows-to-kill-3-million-drug-addicts-and-likens-himself-to-hitler
QuoteRodrigo Duterte vows to kill 3 million drug addicts and likens himself to Hitler
'If Germany had Hitler, the Philippines would have ...,' the president said, pointing to himself
Rodrigo Duterte, the Philippines president, appears to have compared himself to Hitler, saying he would be "happy to slaughter" millions of drug addicts in his bloody war on crime.
During a press conference in his home city of Davao, the former prosecutor told reporters that he had been compared to a "cousin of Hitler" by his critics.
"If Germany had Hitler, the Philippines would have...," he said, pausing and pointing to himself.
"Hitler massacred three million Jews ... there's three million drug addicts. There are. I'd be happy to slaughter them."
More than six million Jews were killed by the Nazis and their collaborators before and during the second world war, according to historians.
Duterte has spent his first three months in office running a campaign to kill all involved in the rampant drugs trade, including alleged addicts, causing outrage from rights groups and foreign governments.
More than 3,500 alleged drug dealers and addicts have been killed, about a third of them in police operations but the majority by armed vigilante militias. Duterte has publicly encouraged civilians to kill addicts and said he will not prosecute police for extrajudicial executions.
"You know my victims. I would like (them) to be all criminals to finish the problem of my country and save the next generation from perdition," he said during the press conference early on Friday.
finally! A war on drugs that will work! :)
When people have commented to me that the wars on drugs never work, I've brought up that isn't true--the chinese under Mao made significant progress reducing opium use by shooting opium users.
Gets me odd looks.
I give this guy less than 24 months before a couple generals in the army decide, "OK, that will be enough of that."
Korean buisnessman kidnapped by the police, held for ransom, then killed. :(
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-businessmans-murder-in-the-philippines-unmasks-a-web-of-violent-police-1492180075?mod=e2fb
Quote from: alfred russel on September 30, 2016, 10:32:39 AM
When people have commented to me that the wars on drugs never work, I've brought up that isn't true--the chinese under Mao made significant progress reducing opium use by shooting opium users.
Gets me odd looks.
Probably because you stole this line from a Schwarzenegger movie. :D
Red Heat. :contract: