Is generalissimo Francisco Franco still dead? :hmm:
http://www.thelocal.es/20150701/the-ten-most-repressive-aspects-of-spains-new-gag-law
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The ten most repressive points of Spain's gag law
Published: 01 Jul 2015 12:54 GMT+02:00
Its many detractors complain that the new "gag law" introduced today harks back to the repressive days of the Franco regime. Here are a list of its most controversial points.
Spain brought in its new public security law on Wednesday limiting freedom of speech and curbing the right to peacefully protest with the introduction of fines ranging between €100 ($111) and €600,000.
The Local takes a look at some of the more repressive points of the controversial law dubbed the Ley Mordaza or "gag law".
1) Fines for protesting
Under the new law, anyone who organizes or takes part in an "unauthorized protest" could be fined between €30,000 and €600,000 if the protest takes part near institutions such as the Spanish parliament.
2) Distrupting public events
Disrupting events such as public speeches, sports events or religious ceremonies could face fines of between €600 and €300,000.
3) Botellón
The Spanish tradition of getting together with mates for outdoor drinking sessions looks to be officially over – drinking in public will be hit with fines of €600 under the new law. And teenagers won't escape – Parents will be held responsible for the payment of their offsprings' fines.
4) Social media activism
Using Twitter, Facebook or Instagram to call on people to protest will be fined under the new law, an attempt to put paid to the spontaneous protests that have proved very powerful in building the indignado movement.
5) Photographing police
People will be fined for taking unauthorized photographs of the police, a measure introduced with the argument that being publically identified could put officers and their families in danger.
6) Smoking weed
It puts an end to the laissez faire attitude that has seen Spain become a nation with one of the largest potsmoking populations in Europe. But from now on lighting up a joint in bars or on public transport could result in a fine of between €600 and €30,000.
7) Leaving furniture in the street
It is a tradition that has existed in Spain long before the current upcycling trend but from now on dumping unwanted furniture in the street could come with a penalty. Those caught obstructing streets with old furniture, cars or other unwanted items will be fined.
8) Trying to stop an eviction
People trying to stop an eviction from taking place could be fined between €600 and €300,000. The number of evictions in Spain has skyrocketed since the beginning of the economic crisis. New Barcelona mayor, Ada Colau (pictured above) has been a famous anti-eviction activist.
9) Not having your ID
Spaniards who are asked to show their ID card and do not have it on their person could be in trouble under the new law. If they cannot immediately locate it at home and have failed to report it missing, they are liable to be fined.
10) Disrepecting a police officer
Showing a "lack of respect" to those in uniform or failing to assist security forces in the prevention of public disturbances could result in an individual fine of between €600 and €30,000.
7-9 are ok, the rest vary from unfortunate to, as you would say, appalling.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2015, 06:38:09 PM
Is generalissimo Francisco Franco still dead? :hmm:
Yes, he is, but his political heirs are restless.
Quote7) Leaving furniture in the street
It is a tradition that has existed in Spain long before the current upcycling trend but from now on dumping unwanted furniture in the street could come with a penalty. Those caught obstructing streets with old furniture, cars or other unwanted items will be fined.
Wow, that's really repressive. What's next, criminalizing dumping pig shit into the public water supply?
Didn't we talk about these when the law was passed?
Most transparent administration ever.
Is the reasoning to fight terrorism or something?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 02, 2015, 09:15:57 PM
Is the reasoning to fight terrorism or something?
I imagine the reason is to deter protesting without permits.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 02, 2015, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 02, 2015, 09:15:57 PM
Is the reasoning to fight terrorism or something?
I imagine the reason is to deter protesting without permits.
Which also means any form of spontaneous protest is now illegal, because you'll need a permit first. I don't know how restrictive Spanish authorities are about permitting political demonstrations.
I'm against having a protest exclusion zone around parliament/government buildings. While the official reason will be "public safety," it smacks more of "protest somewhere where we don't have to see you."
Torn on the public drinking - I see pros and cons.
Social media activism ... yes, let's mobilize protests through carrier pigeons, smoke signals and the telegraph instead. :rolleyes:
Mandatory to carry ID - depends on how widespread it'll be. Germany and Austria have similar laws, but in almost 40 years no police officer ever asked me to ID myself.
Photographing police - not in agreement, but given Spain's history of domestic terrorism that targeted the police a lot I can understand where this is coming from.
Disrupting public events - a strong democracy should be able to handle that.
Well, now I am hoping Podemos wins the next elections. :cool:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 02, 2015, 09:15:57 PM
Is the reasoning to fight terrorism or something?
probably trying to stifle the Catalans. the sentiment pro-freedom is close to 50% there now.
The solution to that potential problem is invoking Article 4, not repressive government. :(
It's mostly about curving protests that have dented the government's image throughout their austerity and corruption-fueled administration. The opposition as a whole (something unheard of) has vowed the repeal the law if there's an alternative majority next year. It's a bit of a stupid move to have the law implemented now, though; it's too late to have any effect and it will make them look even worse with the election around the corner.
Most of the stuff in there (pot smoking, outdoors drinking, not carrying your ID) is already not permitted, but laissez-faire is widespread. The fines are now significantly increased. What is worse, though, is that a lot those will now be considered "administrative penalties" and thus will escape judicial review.
Having to have an ID card on you at all times? :x
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 02:24:50 AMWhat is worse, though, is that a lot those will now be considered "administrative penalties" and thus will escape judicial review.
Hopefully Spanish Constitution is sufficiently well written for this to be considered unconstitutional? Wondering whether this can go to the ECHR too, especially if this is enforced in a way stiffling legitimate protests.
Quote from: garbon on July 03, 2015, 02:35:53 AM
Having to have an ID card on you at all times? :x
Yeah that's freaky.
Quote from: Martinus on July 03, 2015, 02:42:03 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 02:24:50 AMWhat is worse, though, is that a lot those will now be considered "administrative penalties" and thus will escape judicial review.
Hopefully Spanish Constitution is sufficiently well written for this to be considered unconstitutional? Wondering whether this can go to the ECHR too, especially if this is enforced in a way stiffling legitimate protests.
The opposition has challenged the law in our Constitutional Court, we'll see.
At the very least, prescribing what communication methods can and can't be used to organize a protest seems highly questionable.
In general that is a nasty and repressive list of measures. The ban on social media activism though..........it crosses a line imo, makes me feel like organising a protest in Spain using facebook :mad:
(headcams to be worn at the protest by all participants)
The police thing stems actually from the fact that with the ubiquity of phones, etc... there's been a swath of viral videos depicting police brutality during protests.
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 03:08:09 AM
The police thing stems actually from the fact that with the ubiquity of phones, etc... there's been a swath of viral videos depicting police brutality during protests.
Yeah, well, duh. That anyone would even consider introducing such a measure, though, speaks volumes about their arrogance.
Quote from: Martinus on July 03, 2015, 03:09:29 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 03:08:09 AM
The police thing stems actually from the fact that with the ubiquity of phones, etc... there's been a swath of viral videos depicting police brutality during protests.
Yeah, well, duh. That anyone would even consider introducing such a measure, though, speaks volumes about their arrogance.
They are trying to put a gate in a world that no longer has fences.
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 03:10:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 03, 2015, 03:09:29 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 03:08:09 AM
The police thing stems actually from the fact that with the ubiquity of phones, etc... there's been a swath of viral videos depicting police brutality during protests.
Yeah, well, duh. That anyone would even consider introducing such a measure, though, speaks volumes about their arrogance.
They are trying to put a gate in a world that no longer has fences.
It is becoming fairly routine here for cyclists to wear headcams and for motorists to fit dashcams. I give it another few years and just about everything that happens in a public area is going to be recorded.
Botellón illegal? Absolutely monstruous! Will they make pic-nics illegal next?
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 03, 2015, 06:33:31 AM
Botellón illegal? Absolutely monstruous! Will they make pic-nics illegal next?
I wouldn't be surprised if it would be applied very selectively.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 03, 2015, 03:13:17 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 03:10:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 03, 2015, 03:09:29 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 03:08:09 AM
The police thing stems actually from the fact that with the ubiquity of phones, etc... there's been a swath of viral videos depicting police brutality during protests.
Yeah, well, duh. That anyone would even consider introducing such a measure, though, speaks volumes about their arrogance.
They are trying to put a gate in a world that no longer has fences.
It is becoming fairly routine here for cyclists to wear headcams and for motorists to fit dashcams. I give it another few years and just about everything that happens in a public area is going to be recorded.
Germany has decided that you can use dashcams, but you can't upload the footage to YouTube without consent of the filmed people. It's permitted to submit it as evidence in case of accidents, though.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 03, 2015, 06:33:31 AM
Botellón illegal? Absolutely monstruous! Will they make pic-nics illegal next?
There has been a big backlash against botellón by local authorities in the last few years and it is hardly an issue as it might have been in the recent past. This is just the latest development. It's extremely difficult to enforce, though.
Quote from: The Larch on July 03, 2015, 07:34:38 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 03, 2015, 06:33:31 AM
Botellón illegal? Absolutely monstruous! Will they make pic-nics illegal next?
There has been a big backlash against botellón by local authorities in the last few years and it is hardly an issue as it might have been in the recent past. This is just the latest development. It's extremely difficult to enforce, though.
Yep, I remember botellón being the big issue in 2006-2008 or even earlier, so that makes more sense.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 03, 2015, 07:47:23 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 03, 2015, 07:34:38 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 03, 2015, 06:33:31 AM
Botellón illegal? Absolutely monstruous! Will they make pic-nics illegal next?
There has been a big backlash against botellón by local authorities in the last few years and it is hardly an issue as it might have been in the recent past. This is just the latest development. It's extremely difficult to enforce, though.
Yep, I remember botellón being the big issue in 2006-2008 or even earlier, so that makes more sense.
Just to show how up to date in current issues and national priorities our government is. :lol:
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 03, 2015, 03:13:17 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 03:10:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 03, 2015, 03:09:29 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 03:08:09 AM
The police thing stems actually from the fact that with the ubiquity of phones, etc... there's been a swath of viral videos depicting police brutality during protests.
Yeah, well, duh. That anyone would even consider introducing such a measure, though, speaks volumes about their arrogance.
They are trying to put a gate in a world that no longer has fences.
It is becoming fairly routine here for cyclists to wear headcams and for motorists to fit dashcams. I give it another few years and just about everything that happens in a public area is going to be recorded.
The next step will be to have it uploaded to the Cloud in real time (think of the children!).
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 03, 2015, 03:13:17 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 03:10:26 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 03, 2015, 03:09:29 AM
Quote from: celedhring on July 03, 2015, 03:08:09 AM
The police thing stems actually from the fact that with the ubiquity of phones, etc... there's been a swath of viral videos depicting police brutality during protests.
Yeah, well, duh. That anyone would even consider introducing such a measure, though, speaks volumes about their arrogance.
They are trying to put a gate in a world that no longer has fences.
It is becoming fairly routine here for cyclists to wear headcams and for motorists to fit dashcams. I give it another few years and just about everything that happens in a public area is going to be recorded.
And then Phase II begins. :)