I wouldn't say it's "glorifying" segregation, but it is offensive and should be changed.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-carolina-town-embroiled-controversy-over-war-plaques-n327816
QuoteSouth Carolina War Plaques Are 'Glorifying Segregation,' Mayor Says
By Mark Potter
An aging war memorial that pays tribute to "white" and "colored" soldiers in a once-segregated South Carolina town is creating a new divide.
The memorial on Main Street in Greenwood, a small city of 23,000, honors the fallen from World War I, World War II, Korea and Vietnam. The dead from the two World Wars are listed by their race — which Greenwood Mayor Welborn Adams says is unacceptable.
"The term 'colored' is offensive. It's offensive to me, so I can only imagine how it feels to African-Americans," he said. "I don't think Main Street is where you should be glorifying segregation."
Adams raised $15,000 to build new plaques in which the dead would be listed alphabetically instead. But those new plaques are still sitting in his office due to a state law passed 15 years ago that prohibits changing historical monuments without two-thirds vote of the legislature.
Adams has faced arrest threats and allegations of trying to erase history. He tried to hold a ceremony in January unveiling the plaques, but the state law prevented him from mounting them.
"[People] need to know about the time the country was not always as welcoming and integrated as it is now for different races," said former National Park historian and painter Eric Williams, who believes the old plaques should stay where they are.
But State Sen. Floyd Nicholson disagrees, and has introduced a bill to change the plaques.
"I think it's so important they be given the same respect. It's not about race. They were willing to give their life for this country," he said.
The plaques also anger many residents of Greenwood, which is 42 percent black.
"I grew up here, but when I see it in black and white, it just bothers me," Scarlett Phillips said.
It seems unlikely Nicholson's bill will pass this year. The mayor says he is considering a lawsuit against the state.
"It's a segregation between men who all paid the same sacrifice, were all serving the same country, together, fighting the same war," Adams said. "You are lessening these African-Americans' sacrifice."
— With Elizabeth Chuck
I like how they're so white-centric that they automatically think that it's the blacks who are lessened by the separation.
OUTRAGEOUS
monstrous
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 22, 2015, 08:19:16 AMQuote"The term 'colored' is offensive. It's offensive to me, so I can only imagine how it feels to African-Americans,"
:lol:
I would think someone was trying and failing to be racist if they were to call me coloured.
i found it funny because it's a white guy getting all agitated over it, like with so many other uproars. but, it's probably political.
Quote from: garbon on March 22, 2015, 09:54:46 AM
I would think someone was trying and failing to be racist if they were to call me coloured.
People sometimes call me colorless. Bloodless as well.
Are we speaking of actual people?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 22, 2015, 08:19:16 AM
"It's a segregation between men who all paid the same sacrifice, were all serving the same country, together, fighting the same war," Adams said. "You are lessening these African-Americans' sacrifice."
How is it lessened?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 22, 2015, 11:53:39 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 22, 2015, 08:19:16 AM
"It's a segregation between men who all paid the same sacrifice, were all serving the same country, together, fighting the same war," Adams said. "You are lessening these African-Americans' sacrifice."
How is it lessened?
You are questioning the word of a white man?
Quote from: The Brain on March 22, 2015, 12:15:19 PM
You are questioning the word of a white man?
White man speak with forked tongue.
QuoteAdams raised $15,000 to build new plaques in which the dead would be listed alphabetically instead. But those new plaques are still sitting in his office due to a state law passed 15 years ago that prohibits changing historical monuments without two-thirds vote of the legislature
OMG local government's rights!
Greenwood should secede.
Seems to me the current memorial is both a fitting tribute to the colored black soldiers and a worthwhile reminder of how attitudes have changed.
Quote from: Valmy on March 22, 2015, 12:50:31 PM
QuoteAdams raised $15,000 to build new plaques in which the dead would be listed alphabetically instead. But those new plaques are still sitting in his office due to a state law passed 15 years ago that prohibits changing historical monuments without two-thirds vote of the legislature
OMG local government's rights!
Greenwood should secede.
Stopping local initiatives like this is almost certainly why the state requirement was passed 15 years ago. The state is probably concerned that more diverse local communities will replace the pro confederate memorials around the state.
If you mean majority black, why don't you just say that?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 22, 2015, 01:29:58 PM
If you mean majority black, why don't you just say that?
Because I didn't mean that?
There are diverse parts of the state with lots of latino and northern immigration as well (which when combined with the black population form a majority).
Seems like it would have been prudent to get legislative approval before spending the $15,000.
Quote from: garbon on March 22, 2015, 11:38:14 AM
Are we speaking of actual people?
For all I know they are actual people. They could be robots in disguise.
Quote from: dps on March 22, 2015, 09:06:20 PM
Seems like it would have been prudent to get legislative approval before spending the $15,000.
But that would have skipped the outrage. :(
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 22, 2015, 01:09:19 PM
Seems to me the current memorial is both a fitting tribute to the colored black soldiers and a worthwhile reminder of how attitudes have changed.
+1
Denial of history, as practised in dumps like Russia, has never appealed to me.
The troops were segregated till 1954 or so, why we would we want to forget that?
Here is an article by a complete fucking idiot in Britain :
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/17/statue-celebrate-disabled-peoples-achievements
"Isn't it time that the contribution and achievements of disabled people gained a public presence through some kind of visual symbol?" the article begins, followed by the usual pleading and whining.
Meanwhile, ask any person who has lived in London or been a tourist there what is the most prominent statue, it is that of Admiral Lord Nelson (minus one arm and one eye).
BTW there is an obvious compromise for the SC plaques, list the dead by regiment/unit. That not only preserves the reality of segregation and honours their sacrifice but also provide useful information for people interested in what actually happened.
I think we should strike down all memorials.
Why remember some people and forget others.
We need to reduce the gap between remembered and forgotten people.
Quote from: Siege on March 23, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
I think we should strike down all memorials.
Why remember some people and forget others.
We need to reduce the gap between remembered and forgotten people.
This is the kind of innovative thinking we need in local government.
Quote from: Siege on March 23, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
I think we should strike down all memorials.
Why remember some people and forget others.
We need to reduce the gap between remembered and forgotten people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_bcoStFk4s
;)
Malthus and Siege listening to songs about killing God? :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2015, 02:03:34 PM
Quote from: Siege on March 23, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
I think we should strike down all memorials.
Why remember some people and forget others.
We need to reduce the gap between remembered and forgotten people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_bcoStFk4s
;)
:lol:
NMA would have been a great band if Sullivan had been a bit less of a mushmouth. As it is, they were still a great cult hit.