South Carolina War Plaques Are 'Glorifying Segregation,' Mayor Says

Started by jimmy olsen, March 22, 2015, 08:19:16 AM

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alfred russel

Quote from: Valmy on March 22, 2015, 12:50:31 PM
QuoteAdams raised $15,000 to build new plaques in which the dead would be listed alphabetically instead. But those new plaques are still sitting in his office due to a state law passed 15 years ago that prohibits changing historical monuments without two-thirds vote of the legislature

OMG local government's rights!

Greenwood should secede.

Stopping local initiatives like this is almost certainly why the state requirement was passed 15 years ago. The state is probably concerned that more diverse local communities will replace the pro confederate memorials around the state.
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alfred russel

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 22, 2015, 01:29:58 PM
If you mean majority black, why don't you just say that?

Because I didn't mean that?

There are diverse parts of the state with lots of latino and northern immigration as well (which when combined with the black population form a majority).
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dps

Seems like it would have been prudent to get legislative approval before spending the $15,000.

Razgovory

Quote from: garbon on March 22, 2015, 11:38:14 AM
Are we speaking of actual people?

For all I know they are actual people.  They could be robots in disguise.
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Quote from: dps on March 22, 2015, 09:06:20 PM
Seems like it would have been prudent to get legislative approval before spending the $15,000.

But that would have skipped the outrage.  :(
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Richard Hakluyt

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 22, 2015, 01:09:19 PM
Seems to me the current memorial is both a fitting tribute to the colored black soldiers and a worthwhile reminder of how attitudes have changed.

+1

Denial of history, as practised in dumps like Russia, has never appealed to me.

The troops were segregated till 1954 or so, why we would we want to forget that?


Richard Hakluyt

Here is an article by a complete fucking idiot in Britain :

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/17/statue-celebrate-disabled-peoples-achievements

"Isn't it time that the contribution and achievements of disabled people gained a public presence through some kind of visual symbol?" the article begins, followed by the usual pleading and whining.

Meanwhile, ask any person who has lived in London or been a tourist there what is the most prominent statue, it is that of Admiral Lord Nelson (minus one arm and one eye).

Richard Hakluyt

BTW there is an obvious compromise for the SC plaques, list the dead by regiment/unit. That not only preserves the reality of segregation and honours their sacrifice but also provide useful information for people interested in what actually happened.

Siege

I think we should strike down all memorials.
Why remember some people and forget others.
We need to reduce the gap between remembered and forgotten people.


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Valmy

Quote from: Siege on March 23, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
I think we should strike down all memorials.
Why remember some people and forget others.
We need to reduce the gap between remembered and forgotten people.

This is the kind of innovative thinking we need in local government.
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Malthus

Quote from: Siege on March 23, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
I think we should strike down all memorials.
Why remember some people and forget others.
We need to reduce the gap between remembered and forgotten people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_bcoStFk4s

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Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2015, 02:03:34 PM
Quote from: Siege on March 23, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
I think we should strike down all memorials.
Why remember some people and forget others.
We need to reduce the gap between remembered and forgotten people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_bcoStFk4s

;)
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