I was watching The Most Dangerous Game (worst Russian I've ever heard, btw) when I heard a reference to the "Tartar bow". I googled it, and found this
http://www.wildwoodarchery.com.au/tartar_bow.shtml
How awesome would it be to hunt with this? Usually I think hunting a poor large animal with anything but a knife or your bare teeth is cheating, but the strength and skill required on that would be impressive, even though I'd never be able to use it as it was meant (on horseback) or be as good as the original users (who could hit birds from far distances at galloping speeds).
Do you have anything similar? Want to own an old sword or something?
Did someone drop you on your head when you were little?
Hear the Rebel Yell.
I like having old stuff that has a good story behind it. heirlooms. I have some old paintings that have been in my family for generations. Not "worth anything" monetarily, But there's history there.
Jesus's foreskin
It would be cool to participate in and recieve a cavalry charge.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 18, 2009, 02:30:31 AM
It would be cool to participate in and recieve a cavalry charge.
Have you at least seen one IRL?
I remember seing one years ago. It's pretty cool to get an idea of the reality behind the words.
Quote from: The Brain on June 18, 2009, 03:56:23 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 18, 2009, 02:30:31 AM
It would be cool to participate in and recieve a cavalry charge.
Have you at least seen one IRL?
I remember seing one years ago. It's pretty cool to get an idea of the reality behind the words.
Just to clarify things, "receiving a cavalry charge" is not an euphemism here? :huh:
Quote from: Martinus on June 18, 2009, 04:47:05 AM
Just to clarify things, "receiving a cavalry charge" is not an euphemism here? :huh:
Only in your sicko mind :P
Quote from: Queequeg on June 17, 2009, 09:50:45 PM
Want to own an old sword or something?
uhhhh yes, "want to" own. :shifty:
Very strongly seconded, regarding the rebel yell..I want to participate in one of the South's many vain and brave charges against union lines.
As for the weaponry thing, I just wish I had one of the prettiful gaelic leather slings i've seen, or the change to see skilled ancient practitioners of the weapon. Its a lonely hobby, at times.
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2009, 10:38:56 PM
Hear the Rebel Yell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P9B2ZdNC6o
Viking's wish came true! :o
Quote from: Queequeg on June 17, 2009, 09:50:45 PM
Usually I think hunting a poor large animal with anything but a knife or your bare teeth is cheating
and THAT's how I earned the respect of the yardies in the Octagon.
Quote from: Queequeg on June 17, 2009, 09:50:45 PMUsually I think hunting a poor large animal with anything but a knife or your bare teeth is cheating
Usually I think hunting a poor large animal with a knife or your bare teeth is, at best, completely nonproductive, and at worst suicidal.
I think hunting for sport is immoral and evil, regardless of the weapon used. Hunting in order to survive or feed the people you are responsible for, is a necessity, and should be carried out in the most efficient way.
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 06:57:15 AM
I think hunting for sport is immoral and evil, regardless of the weapon used. Hunting in order to survive or feed the people you are responsible for, is a necessity, and should be carried out in the most efficient way.
What about when hunting isn't necessary for survival, but the hunter consumes his kills anyway? The vast majority of hunters I know eat the deer/pheasant/etc. they shoot.
Quote from: Caliga on June 18, 2009, 07:01:05 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 06:57:15 AM
I think hunting for sport is immoral and evil, regardless of the weapon used. Hunting in order to survive or feed the people you are responsible for, is a necessity, and should be carried out in the most efficient way.
What about when hunting isn't necessary for survival, but the hunter consumes his kills anyway? The vast majority of hunters I know eat the deer/pheasant/etc. they shoot.
Well I assume most of them are doing the hunting for the thrill of it, ergo its a sport and evil. Altough I do understand wild animal population must be kept in check.
QuoteI want to participate in one of the South's many vain and brave charges against union lines.
I think I speak for many of us that we'd like you to take a shot from the
Dictator siege mortar in the chest. Mew. Squee. Pshaw.
BTW, Psellus, I am looking for PBEM players for the boardgame Assyrian Wars. check the Pax Britannia thread in the Gaming forum.
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 07:04:24 AM
Well I assume most of them are doing the hunting for the thrill of it, ergo its a sport and evil. Altough I do understand wild animal population must be kept in check.
:mellow: Ladies and gents, this is why the Russians will conquer Europe in like 15 minutes the next time they invade. :)
I would like to shoot a russian with a musket.
A HK441 will do, but preferably a musket.
Really tamas- Evil? Isnt that a bit of a stretch? They arent sentient, you know. Dominion over animals comes with the package of being the master race of our planet. The value of animals is usually measured against how much they help or please humanity.
Quote from: Caliga on June 18, 2009, 07:12:38 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 07:04:24 AM
Well I assume most of them are doing the hunting for the thrill of it, ergo its a sport and evil. Altough I do understand wild animal population must be kept in check.
:mellow: Ladies and gents, this is why the Russians will conquer Europe in like 15 minutes the next time they invade. :)
Uhm, shooting Russians is a duty.
Quote from: Caliga on June 18, 2009, 07:12:38 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 07:04:24 AM
Well I assume most of them are doing the hunting for the thrill of it, ergo its a sport and evil. Altough I do understand wild animal population must be kept in check.
:mellow: Ladies and gents, this is why the Russians will conquer Europe in like 15 minutes the next time they invade. :)
Hungarians are mere shadows of their former selves, with them being being anally raped at Lechfeld and Mohacs.
Quote from: Lettow77 on June 18, 2009, 07:19:21 AM
Really tamas- Evil? Isnt that a bit of a stretch? They arent sentient, you know. Dominion over animals comes with the package of being the master race of our planet.
Mew
Yes, yes, mew, I know. Because I like cats.
Well, its a caricature of myself im willing to run with, because it has a basis in reality.
mew.
That doesnt distract from the matter at hand, though. Animals still dont have any rights, and if it pleases a human to kill them due to the challenge, tradition, atmosphere or whatever, I dont see how that is evil. decadent west.
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 07:20:09 AMUhm, shooting Russians is a duty.
Seriously tho, while you're entitled to your opinion, it surprises me given the fact that FB has showed me pictures of your village and it looks like you live in a rural setting. I expect that kind of "lol killen animals is TEH EV0L" response from some city-dwelling fruit who is living in an unnatural fantasy world, but not someone who lives where you do. :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on June 18, 2009, 07:22:46 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 07:20:09 AMUhm, shooting Russians is a duty.
Seriously tho, while you're entitled to your opinion, it surprises me given the fact that FB has showed me pictures of your village and it looks like you live in a rural setting. I expect that kind of "lol killen animals is TEH EV0L" response from some city-dwelling fruit who is living in an unnatural fantasy world, but not someone who lives where you do. :huh:
Well, I have no problems with livestock being massacred by the thousands to feed humans, or see my grandma slice the neck of a chicken. (too bad I never got around doing it myself)
I just don't like the main motivation behind hunting animals in modern Europe, which is the adrenalin rush of it. I know this is not the entire thing behind hunting, so it is probably strong to call hunting evil, but the sport aspect of it IS evil, and the stronger it is, the more despisable the entire act becomes.
And Lettow, a cat-lover of all people should very well know that these animals are sentinent.
Tamas, that's an interesting point. I will tell you what I know about cat's sentience. They can learn from experiences. They can feel emotions- even the somewhat abstract ones like loyalty. They can establish likes and dislikes.
But, can they reason, or philosophise? What do they know of the world? Certaintly they cant communicate to us. Alright, so is this gap great enough to justify their slaughter for pleasure?
You've convinced me, Tamas, that perhaps they are sentient in some sense of the term. (How often do people in internet arguments stop and think through what the opposition says?) However, they arent human. I personally would never kill a cat due to my fondness for them, and I even think it beyond the pale, as species with a long history of domestication have earned a measure of loyalty from us.
So, I kill birds and squirrels fairly regularly. Do these animals love, Tamas? Did they have ambitions which I disrupted? And if that -is- the case, why should this cause me duress? I'd be interested to hear what you have to say on the matter.
Living in a village, our cats live a rather free life, roaming the neighborhood at night, and not living within the house with us. As such, most of them dies pretty young, I can safely say I saw at least a dozen of our cats die either at birth or after several years. It usually does not move me the slightest.
Similarly, I can not say I care much about the wildlife being hunted by people who get an erection from shooting them from afar.
But the fact remains: you are killing a living being just for the act of killing.
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 07:04:24 AM
Quote from: Caliga on June 18, 2009, 07:01:05 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 06:57:15 AM
I think hunting for sport is immoral and evil, regardless of the weapon used. Hunting in order to survive or feed the people you are responsible for, is a necessity, and should be carried out in the most efficient way.
What about when hunting isn't necessary for survival, but the hunter consumes his kills anyway? The vast majority of hunters I know eat the deer/pheasant/etc. they shoot.
Well I assume most of them are doing the hunting for the thrill of it, ergo its a sport and evil. Altough I do understand wild animal population must be kept in check.
so how do you feel about fishing? that's hunting too, sometimes on an industrial scale.
Quote from: saskganesh on June 18, 2009, 07:59:11 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 07:04:24 AM
Quote from: Caliga on June 18, 2009, 07:01:05 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 06:57:15 AM
I think hunting for sport is immoral and evil, regardless of the weapon used. Hunting in order to survive or feed the people you are responsible for, is a necessity, and should be carried out in the most efficient way.
What about when hunting isn't necessary for survival, but the hunter consumes his kills anyway? The vast majority of hunters I know eat the deer/pheasant/etc. they shoot.
Well I assume most of them are doing the hunting for the thrill of it, ergo its a sport and evil. Altough I do understand wild animal population must be kept in check.
so how do you feel about fishing? that's hunting too, sometimes on an industrial scale.
My moral stance on this is complicated enough without adding fishes to it. :P
One thing is sure: you won't find many Canadians converting to Jainism. They aren't allowed to swat mosquitos. :lol:
All fucking insects must fucking die.
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 08:09:02 AM
All fucking insects must fucking die.
Especially Wasps and Hornets.
Tamas, that argument wasnt as convincing as it could have been. I'll still go on killing 'for the sake of killing', as you call it, although I enjoy the marksmanship practise and opportunity to be alone outside.
Quote from: Viking on June 17, 2009, 10:38:56 PM
Hear the Rebel Yell.
And then see the treasonous slavers get mowed down by machine gun fire supplied by time traveling Black Panthers.
Quote from: Lettow77 on June 18, 2009, 08:34:27 AM
marksmanship practise and opportunity to be alone outside.
Thats precisely my point.
Hungarianism is evil.
I support this abstention from hunting.
Stopping by the grocery store is far more efficient.
I want to visit Gettysburg in July and see a reenactment of the battle.
Quote from: Lettow77 on June 18, 2009, 05:15:51 AM
I want to participate in one of the South's many vain and brave charges against union lines.
Are you suggesting that you would be okay in dying in one of said charges as well?
Quote from: garbon on June 18, 2009, 09:56:55 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on June 18, 2009, 05:15:51 AM
I want to participate in one of the South's many vain and brave charges against union lines.
Are you suggesting that you would be okay in dying in one of said charges as well?
It would certainly be okay with me.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 18, 2009, 09:49:46 AM
I want to visit Gettysburg in July and see a reenactment of the battle.
I will be in Gettysburg in early July. Let's have a date.
Quote from: Phillip V on June 18, 2009, 08:42:29 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 18, 2009, 09:49:46 AM
I want to visit Gettysburg in July and see a reenactment of the battle.
I will be in Gettysburg in early July. Let's have a date.
I said I want to, not that I will. I have to save my money for the cruise my family is going on that month.
I went to a lot of shrines, temples, historical sites, drank sake and went to Hot Springs in the shadow of Fuji-San. I had a real sense of history everywhere I went in Japan. Sometimes you have to look past the Blade Runner-y NOW of Japan to see it, but it's there.
I would venture about similarly if ever I got the chance to check out another culture, again.
Quote from: Caliga on June 18, 2009, 07:12:38 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 07:04:24 AM
Well I assume most of them are doing the hunting for the thrill of it, ergo its a sport and evil. Altough I do understand wild animal population must be kept in check.
:mellow: Ladies and gents, this is why the Russians will conquer Europe in like 15 minutes the next time they invade. :)
nah, Russians are more likely to see 3 or 4 times the numbers of Europeans there really are, or none at all
:p
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2009, 08:09:02 AM
All fucking insects must fucking die.
I'd prefer you let bees live. Too vital.
I just did one this week. CB and I went to Washington DC and saw the Peacock Room in the Freer Museum. The Peacock Room (as well as the entire Freer museum collection) was housed in the Freer Mansion in Detroit until Charles Lang Freer's death in 1919. :)