You really have to be crazy to try to take out thw VP, what's the point?
http://m.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30872510
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Shots fired outside Joe Biden's house in Delaware
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Shots were fired near US Vice-President Joe Biden's house in the state of Delaware, but he was away at the time, a Secret Service official has said.
The shots were fired on Saturday from a public road in Greenville, outside a security perimeter, Robert Hoback said.
The road is several hundred metres from the house, and officials were searching to see if the shots had hit anything.
The incident, which happened at about 20:25 on Saturday (01:25 GMT Sunday), is under investigation.
The Secret Service said the vehicle from which the shots were fired "drove by the vice president's residence at a high rate of speed".
"The shots were heard by Secret Service personnel posted at the residence, and a vehicle was observed by an agent leaving the scene at a high rate of speed," it said.
Mr Biden's office says the vice-president and his wife, Jill, were later briefed on the incident.
One man was arrested later nearby but it is not known if he was directly involved in the shooting.
The Bidens spend many weekends at the Delaware house, the Associated Press news agency reports.
The incident comes four months after an intruder armed with a knife managed to dodge guards and enter the White House.
The head of the Secret Service stepped down over that breach and previous lapses in security surrounding the president.
I was thinking the other day that it's surprising no one's ever tried to assassinate Supreme Court justices (afaik?).
Consider it:
1)unlike elected officials, they hold office essentially for life, so it really is the only way they'll ever be removed if you believe it to be necessary.
2)killing an elected official will simply make then a martyr for their cause, leading to more support for that cause, and they will simply be replaced by an even more powerful version of what you just destroyed (i.e., Kennedy to Johnson), except in certain special, anachronistic cases (Lincoln to the other Johnson).
3)if you kill them while the president of your side is sitting, the replacements for Supreme Court justices will be significantly more likely to be to your liking.
(As a bonus, 4)Supreme Court justices are lawyers, and hence easily cowed.)
Quote from: Ideologue on January 18, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
I was thinking the other day that it's surprising no one's ever tried to assassinate Supreme Court justices (afaik?).
Consider it:
1)unlike elected officials, they hold office essentially for life, so it really is the only way they'll ever be removed if you believe it to be necessary.
2)killing an elected official will simply make then a martyr for their cause, leading to more support for that cause, and they will simply be replaced by an even more powerful version of what you just destroyed (i.e., Kennedy to Johnson), except in certain special, anachronistic cases (Lincoln to the other Johnson).
3)if you kill them while the president of your side is sitting, the replacements for Supreme Court justices will be significantly more likely to be to your liking.
(As a bonus, 4)Supreme Court justices are lawyers, and hence easily cowed.)
You're not on an NSA watchlist. :P
Quote from: Ideologue on January 18, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
I was thinking the other day that it's surprising no one's ever tried to assassinate Supreme Court justices (afaik?).
Consider it:
1)unlike elected officials, they hold office essentially for life, so it really is the only way they'll ever be removed if you believe it to be necessary.
2)killing an elected official will simply make then a martyr for their cause, leading to more support for that cause, and they will simply be replaced by an even more powerful version of what you just destroyed (i.e., Kennedy to Johnson), except in certain special, anachronistic cases (Lincoln to the other Johnson).
3)if you kill them while the president of your side is sitting, the replacements for Supreme Court justices will be significantly more likely to be to your liking.
(As a bonus, 4)Supreme Court justices are lawyers, and hence easily cowed.)
You do have a point. It's actually amazing nobody shot Earl Warren. That was a man who was, really, really, really hated.
Hilary's really taking no chances this time :o
Quote from: Ideologue on January 18, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
I was thinking the other day that it's surprising no one's ever tried to assassinate Supreme Court justices (afaik?).
Consider it:
1)unlike elected officials, they hold office essentially for life, so it really is the only way they'll ever be removed if you believe it to be necessary.
2)killing an elected official will simply make then a martyr for their cause, leading to more support for that cause, and they will simply be replaced by an even more powerful version of what you just destroyed (i.e., Kennedy to Johnson), except in certain special, anachronistic cases (Lincoln to the other Johnson).
3)if you kill them while the president of your side is sitting, the replacements for Supreme Court justices will be significantly more likely to be to your liking.
(As a bonus, 4)Supreme Court justices are lawyers, and hence easily cowed.)
Yeah. And 5) Noone would cry after Scalia.
Quote from: Martinus on January 19, 2015, 04:17:13 AM
Yeah. And 5) Noone would cry after Scalia.
Scalia would be missed. Thomas, on the other hand, wouldn't be missed until it was time to vote and someone noticed that there were only eight people voting.
Quote from: grumbler on January 20, 2015, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 19, 2015, 04:17:13 AM
Yeah. And 5) Noone would cry after Scalia.
Scalia would be missed. Thomas, on the other hand, wouldn't be missed until it was time to vote and someone noticed that there were only eight people voting.
:lol:
Quote from: grumbler on January 20, 2015, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 19, 2015, 04:17:13 AM
Yeah. And 5) Noone would cry after Scalia.
Scalia would be missed. Thomas, on the other hand, wouldn't be missed until it was time to vote and someone noticed that there were only eight people voting.
Sometimes if you listen very, very careful to the audio transcripts, you can hear Clarence breathing. Sometimes.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 18, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
(As a bonus, 4)Supreme Court justices are lawyers, and hence easily cowed.)
Many politicians are also lawyers.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 18, 2015, 11:44:28 PM
Hilary's really taking no chances this time :o
She's been Biden her time.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 18, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
I was thinking the other day that it's surprising no one's ever tried to assassinate Supreme Court justices (afaik?).
Consider it:
1)unlike elected officials, they hold office essentially for life, so it really is the only way they'll ever be removed if you believe it to be necessary.
2)killing an elected official will simply make then a martyr for their cause, leading to more support for that cause, and they will simply be replaced by an even more powerful version of what you just destroyed (i.e., Kennedy to Johnson), except in certain special, anachronistic cases (Lincoln to the other Johnson).
3)if you kill them while the president of your side is sitting, the replacements for Supreme Court justices will be significantly more likely to be to your liking.
(As a bonus, 4)Supreme Court justices are lawyers, and hence easily cowed.)
They key to surviving the presidency is to make sure you don't pick a VP named Johnson.
And don't give speeches in the rain, or turn down crazy people for jobs, or keep getting reelected until you die.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 20, 2015, 02:19:06 PM
They key to surviving the presidency is to make sure you don't pick a VP named Johnson.
Didn't help McKinley and Garfield. :P
Good thing Joe wasn't home. He'd have blasted a few shells through the door.
Quote from: derspiess on January 20, 2015, 03:47:46 PM
Good thing Joe wasn't home. He'd have blasted a few shells through the door.
It would've been the door on the other side of the house, and not even an exterior door, but it's the thought that counts.
You're goddamned right he would.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 18, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
I was thinking the other day that it's surprising no one's ever tried to assassinate Supreme Court justices (afaik?).
Because americans are law abiding people and political assasination, all assasinations really, are against conservative values. Shooters are always lefty crazies that do not abide the law or appreciate the social contract, like that guy that killed JFK, or the one that shot Reagan, or the one that tried to kill that woman from Arizona, Grifford?
Quote from: Siege on January 20, 2015, 05:00:38 PM
Because americans are law abiding people and political assasination, all assasinations really, are against conservative values. Shooters are always lefty crazies that do not abide the law or appreciate the social contract, like that guy that killed JFK, or the one that shot Reagan, or the one that tried to kill that woman from Arizona, Grifford?
You'd characterize Yigal Amir as a lefty crazy?
Quote from: Siege on January 20, 2015, 05:00:38 PM
Shooters are always lefty crazies that do not abide the law or appreciate the social contract, like that guy that killed JFK, or the one that shot Reagan, or the one that tried to kill that woman from Arizona, Grifford?
James Earl Ray?
James Earl Ray Jones.
Quote from: Jacob on January 20, 2015, 05:05:24 PM
Quote from: Siege on January 20, 2015, 05:00:38 PM
Because americans are law abiding people and political assasination, all assasinations really, are against conservative values. Shooters are always lefty crazies that do not abide the law or appreciate the social contract, like that guy that killed JFK, or the one that shot Reagan, or the one that tried to kill that woman from Arizona, Grifford?
You'd characterize Yigal Amir as a lefty crazy?
Seigy is just covering his tracks in advance; no one will suspect him as he posted on an internet forum that right-ringers don't do political assassinations.
Quote from: Jacob on January 20, 2015, 05:05:24 PM
Quote from: Siege on January 20, 2015, 05:00:38 PM
Because americans are law abiding people and political assasination, all assasinations really, are against conservative values. Shooters are always lefty crazies that do not abide the law or appreciate the social contract, like that guy that killed JFK, or the one that shot Reagan, or the one that tried to kill that woman from Arizona, Grifford?
You'd characterize Yigal Amir as a lefty crazy?
Well, the religious parties are definitively not right wing conservatives, since they depend on welfare and all the ask to join a governing coalition is how much more welfare they can get for their constituence.
The idea of the religious parties being right wing is a american and european idea, not israeli.
That makes sense, and you it works well with your claim to be a socialist but only in Israel.
Now here's a good conservative assassin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_De_La_Beckwith Was a member of the White Citizens Council which later changed it's name to the Conservative Citizens Council.
Quote from: Siege on January 20, 2015, 05:47:35 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 20, 2015, 05:05:24 PM
Quote from: Siege on January 20, 2015, 05:00:38 PM
Because americans are law abiding people and political assasination, all assasinations really, are against conservative values. Shooters are always lefty crazies that do not abide the law or appreciate the social contract, like that guy that killed JFK, or the one that shot Reagan, or the one that tried to kill that woman from Arizona, Grifford?
You'd characterize Yigal Amir as a lefty crazy?
Well, the religious parties are definitively not right wing conservatives, since they depend on welfare and all the ask to join a governing coalition is how much more welfare they can get for their constituence.
The idea of the religious parties being right wing is a american and european idea, not israeli.
I think it's an American idea more than European. In Europe you either do not have religious parties (this is mostly true for Western Europe) or if you have them, like in Poland, they are quite leftist on economy/welfare issues. An American style mix of religious conservatism and anti-welfare is very rare in Europe. I think it's just historically in Europe at least socially conservative parties are called right wing, irrespective of their platform on economy, while secular communists/socialists are called left wing (even if some of them, especially communists can have pretty authoritarian/anti-democratic ideas).
Eh, Christian Democrats. :mellow:
Quote from: Siege on January 20, 2015, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 18, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
I was thinking the other day that it's surprising no one's ever tried to assassinate Supreme Court justices (afaik?).
Because americans are law abiding people and political assasination, all assasinations really, are against conservative values. Shooters are always lefty crazies that do not abide the law or appreciate the social contract, like that guy that killed JFK, or the one that shot Reagan, or the one that tried to kill that woman from Arizona, Grifford?
8/10, nice try. :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 21, 2015, 01:13:16 AM
Eh, Christian Democrats. :mellow:
CDU/CSU is fairly left wing on economic issues, especially if you compare it with American right wing parties. They are staunchly pro-welfare state.
Yeah but in Euro countries with a Christian Democrat tradition they are, historically at least, the party of the right.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 21, 2015, 01:13:16 AM
Eh, Christian Democrats. :mellow:
A fairly extensive study would probably say the Christian Democratic parties of Europe are centre-right big tent parties, and mostly centrist. Same with the social democratic parties being far more centrist than leftist except for rethoric. The Callaghan cabinet, for instance, that Thatcher called hard left was probably the most centrist Labour party government outside of Spain's Gonzales cabinets ever.
I wouldn't say Merkel has got a right-wing cabinet, for instance. Sarkozy was somewhat right-wing. But not much. Compared to the GOP, most European parties if you exclude Jobbik, Fidesz, Golden Dawn or whatever the separatists in Italy call themselves nowadays are centrist or leftist. I'd rate even Sweden's Swedofucktards as fairly centrist when it comes down to actual policy and not just ruffling feathers.
Of course, there are far left parties too. Like Syriza in Greece. There's a strong degree of statism in almost every European party. What you also need to consider is that the past 10-15 years have had an impact on European politics where "left" and "right" seem less and less meaningful as labels. The post-war era of goodwill to all men got lost some time during the late 80s. Class-based voting is over. In fact, in many instances with so low voter turnout during elections, it seems voting as such is over.
What about that French woman, Marine Le Penn?
Welfare state or free market?