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Title: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2015, 04:14:51 PM
Lulz, suck it, little guy.  Viva Wal-Mart.

QuoteFranco-Era Rents Law Expiry Spells Doom for Shopkeepers
Bloomberg.com

Angel Garcia, whose family has sold hand-tailored shirts since 1857, will be shutting his shop on Madrid's Gran Via in the New Year after his landlord decided to raise the rent almost 10-fold.

At the stroke of midnight on Dec. 31, a rent-control rule introduced under Spanish dictator General Francisco Franco comes to an end, spelling financial turmoil for thousands of small store owners.

"This business has been in my family for four generations," Garcia, 89, said during an interview in front of his shop window, where "closing down sale" posters are now displayed instead of shirts. "It's a sign of the times."

The move, which will force businesses that can't afford to pay new market-indexed rents to close shop or move to cheaper premises, will also free up prime property that has been inaccessible to retailers for decades, and comes as Spain is poised to post its fastest growth since 2007.

"This is a market economy, and you cannot have a tenant renting space in a prime area paying peanuts with the tenant next to them paying market rates," said Angeles Perez, director of high street properties for Jones Lang LaSalle Inc. in Madrid. "It's like we all want to own a Prada handbag but some of us pay 100 euros and others have to pay a thousand."

About 65,000 businesses in Spain may be affected, with as many as 190,000 people losing jobs, said UPTA, a Spanish union.

Civil War

The 1964 rental law was introduced under Franco to provide social housing and affordable business premises in large cities for the steady stream of rural immigrants heading to urban centers to escape hunger and unemployment since the end of the Spanish civil war in 1939. The law was subsequently modified and extended in 1985 and again in 1994.

The year-end will mark the expiry of a moratorium of the extended rental law that allowed tenants who signed commercial rental contracts before May 5 1985 to remain in the properties for up to 20 years paying rents that could be only raised annually in line with inflation.

"The 1964 law was conceived at a moment when Spain needed to make its economy more dynamic and create businesses that would without doubt stand the test of time," said Javier Roldan, a senior partner at Garrigues law firm in Madrid. "Long-term rents were positive for the situation and the socio-economic environment at the time."

Market Rates

Businesses have had enough time to adapt and negotiate, although new rents are at market rates and these are too high for some, he said.

"Many businesses have been adapting over the years in expectation of this and have been able to successfully renegotiate their rents," said Jones Lang LaSalle's Perez.

Garcia currently pays 3,000 euros ($3,748) per month for the 250 square meter shop, where shirts and other garments rest in mahogany showcases and black marble counters, the original fittings from the last refurbishment in 1957. He says there is no way he can afford to pay the nearly 30,000 euros that Allianz SE, the building's owner, is demanding.

"Allianz owns an adjacent property and they want to knock them into one to rent out to a bigger business so they won't even negotiate with us," Garcia said.

A spokeswoman for Allianz declined to comment.

While painful for shop owners, the measure is likely to have a positive effect on real estate investment in prime areas in large cities, freeing up retail outlets that are in demand since Spain's recovery, said Perez.

Export Boom

"Larger stores create employment and attract tourists who spend money in those shops and surrounding bars and restaurants, which is good for the economy in general," said Perez in a telephone interview.

Spain's economy is set to outstrip European growth this year after a recovery in domestic demand added to the export boom that enabled the country to emerge from recession.

Louis Vuitton and Hennes & Mauritz AB (HMB) are among retail giants snapping up floor space in Madrid and have contributed to the 330 million euros that's been spent so far this year on high-street properties in Spain, according to data compiled by JLL. The highest rents for high-street properties are paid in Barcelona's Portal del Angel, where space costs 250 euros per square meter, according to the broker.

Total investment this year in the asset class is set to reach 450 million euros, the highest since 2007, Perez said.

Jazz Club

The end of rent control is also making 2015 grim for Madrid's Café Central, a renowned jazz club.

It may be forced to close next year after the owner of the 300 square meter premises hikes the monthly rent to 12,000 euros a month from 5,000 euros.

Ranked by Wire Magazine as one of the world's top jazz venues, it has staged performances by musicians such as George Adams, Don Pullen and Bob Sands since it opened 32 years ago.

"We've been served official notice to leave the place completely empty by midnight on New Year's eve," Geraldo Perez, 62, one of the club's four co-founders said in an interview at the club last week. "We can barely pay the current quota."

The art deco style jazz club is a three-minute walk from Calle Preciados, Madrid's most expensive high street with retail rents of 230 euros per square meter.

Perez says he will appeal the notice in court, saying the Spanish family that owns it refuses to negotiate the new rent.

"Perhaps they already have a new tenant lined up and this place will become a fried chicken fast food joint," he said. "It's a huge shame not just for us but for the city. We are one of those authentic venues that give character to the place and tourists don't visit Madrid to eat fried chicken and shop at H&M."
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: The Brain on January 02, 2015, 04:16:33 PM
We still have WW2 rent control for apartments in Stockholm and it's extremely destructive. The faggots in City Hall won't get rid of it for (I assume) faggity reasons.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: garbon on January 02, 2015, 04:19:09 PM
Rent control can be pretty bad. I don't have such a view though with regards to rent stabilization (e.g. increases can't be drastic).
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: celedhring on January 02, 2015, 04:29:02 PM
A shitload of historic Barcelona businesses have shut down this year because of this, making way for even more fashion store chains. Awesome.

That said, these businesses were unfairly competing with ones that didn't have the luck of enjoying an artificially low rent contract. It's not like protected rent businesses haven't had time to adapt, 20 years of forewarning is more than enough.  I just wish they weren't replaced by more shitty fashion store chains.


Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Martinus on January 02, 2015, 04:31:24 PM
I'm surprised there even is rent control for businesses. If it has any justification (and that's a big if) it should be limited to residential premises.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on January 02, 2015, 04:31:24 PM
I'm surprised there even is rent control for businesses. If it has any justification (and that's a big if) it should be limited to residential premises.

One of the Spanish posters mentioned the generalized deep retardation of Franco's economic policies.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 02, 2015, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 02, 2015, 04:35:05 PM
Unless Poland not only recognizes corporations as people but also believes corporations should also be provided with housing :P

He's an M & A attorney.  He believes corporations should be allowed to harvest children for plasma.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 04:36:35 PM
The destruction of small businesses is good, since it narrows the constituency for capitalism, and makes it more efficient for when the government finally goes ahead and takes over Walton-Chase Enterprises.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 02, 2015, 07:39:20 PM
I would imagine in Spain it makes more sense to own your property. Investing in real estate makes no sense if you can't get a return higher than bonds anyway. Luckily for the Spaniards they probably don't have the building shortage that England or Sweden have.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: celedhring on January 02, 2015, 07:53:50 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 02, 2015, 07:39:20 PM
I would imagine in Spain it makes more sense to own your property. Investing in real estate makes no sense if you can't get a return higher than bonds anyway. Luckily for the Spaniards they probably don't have the building shortage that England or Sweden have.

Pushing it, given the market collapse that brought us to where we are  :lol:

Rental market was all sorts of fucked up. High rent prices, low lessor protection (which brought the high prices and loads of other barriers)... people ended up buying.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: 11B4V on January 02, 2015, 08:06:08 PM
This is in Spain. Who gives a shit.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: celedhring on January 02, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
I do!
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 08:08:08 PM
Before was absolutely the last poster I figured for a Grab On sock puppet.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Tonitrus on January 02, 2015, 08:09:49 PM
The north/northwest coast of Spain looks like it could be a nice place to retire to.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: 11B4V on January 02, 2015, 08:10:00 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 08:08:08 PM
Before was absolutely the last poster I figured for a Grab On sock puppet.

I have no beef with Wally World. Unlike CountDeTrotsky
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: mongers on January 02, 2015, 08:41:50 PM
Do some Americans consider it a sign of weakness to show some sympathy for the little guy?
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: grumbler on January 02, 2015, 08:44:44 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 02, 2015, 04:36:35 PM
The destruction of small businesses is good, since it narrows the constituency for capitalism, and makes it more efficient for when the government finally goes ahead and takes over Walton-Chase Enterprises.
8/10  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Razgovory on January 02, 2015, 08:45:58 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 08:08:08 PM
Before was absolutely the last poster I figured for a Grab On sock puppet.

I don't know, I had him begged as a captain closet.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: grumbler on January 02, 2015, 08:46:23 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 02, 2015, 08:41:50 PM
Do some Americans consider it a sign of weakness to show some sympathy for the little guy?

Three of them do.  They are all related and all live in upstate New York.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: mongers on January 02, 2015, 08:49:51 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 02, 2015, 08:45:58 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 08:08:08 PM
Before was absolutely the last poster I figured for a Grab On sock puppet.

I don't know, I had him begged as a captain closet.

My understanding of the vernacular fail me, what's a 'Grab On' ?   :hmm:
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 08:56:22 PM
Grab On is my pet name for garbon.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Razgovory on January 02, 2015, 08:58:14 PM
garbon.  I also meant to say "pegged".  Anyone who goes on that much about his machismo has got to be into sausage.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: garbon on January 02, 2015, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 02, 2015, 08:08:08 PM
Before was absolutely the last poster I figured for a Grab On sock puppet.

I don't have enough energy to maintain a sock puppet. :weep:
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Iormlund on January 02, 2015, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 02, 2015, 08:41:50 PM
Do some Americans consider it a sign of weakness to show some sympathy for the little guy?

These are not really little guys. Little guys are those who pay similar rents, but in much shittier locations.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: LaCroix on January 02, 2015, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 02, 2015, 08:41:50 PM
Do some Americans consider it a sign of weakness to show some sympathy for the little guy?

on average, i think americans generally look after the little guy, regardless of their political party. for example, many conservatives in smaller communities/rural areas are all for the little guy. and there are plenty of liberals who are unsympathetic to the little guy.  :)
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 03, 2015, 10:21:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 02, 2015, 08:58:14 PM
garbon.  I also meant to say "pegged".  Anyone who goes on that much about his machismo has got to be into sausage.

Just because sometimes he handles other men's guns doesn't make him gay.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: DGuller on January 03, 2015, 10:43:02 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 02, 2015, 04:19:09 PM
Rent control can be pretty bad. I don't have such a view though with regards to rent stabilization (e.g. increases can't be drastic).
:yes: Rent control is an act of pure economic idiocy, and it merely rewards luck and bribery at the cost of nuking investment in real estate property.  I can't say I agree about rent stabilization, only because in practice "not drastic" is a rate somewhere between 0 and a fraction of inflation rate.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2015, 10:43:26 AM
Quote from: mongers on January 02, 2015, 08:41:50 PM
Do some Americans consider it a sign of weakness to show some sympathy for the little guy?

Yes;  sympathy and compassion is for suckers, and nobody deserves it less than the little guy.  They don't like it, they should have been a big guy.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 06:54:17 PM
If you have sympathy for the little guy, or if God forbid you are a little guy, you probably want to shoot up a mall.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 03, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
Pretty soon, the only ones still working for the big guys will be the lawyers and the HR girls.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: The Larch on January 03, 2015, 10:20:07 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on January 02, 2015, 08:09:49 PM
The north/northwest coast of Spain looks like it could be a nice place to retire to.

It is indeed a nice place to live. :) Think Pacific NW with milder climate and great food.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 10:23:36 PM
What's wrong with the food in the Pacific NW?  They have Subways.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Sheilbh on January 03, 2015, 10:28:39 PM
Also 'country pizza'.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Ed Anger on January 03, 2015, 10:30:08 PM
Ide would like Spotted Dick.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: DGuller on January 03, 2015, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 10:23:36 PM
What's wrong with the food in the Pacific NW?  They have Subways.
Do they have Burger Kings?
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Sheilbh on January 03, 2015, 10:33:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2015, 10:30:08 PM
Ide would like Spotted Dick.
Who wouldn't :mmm:
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 10:36:44 PM
It looks okay, to be honest.  For some reason I thought it was some kind of meat dish involving mashing animal flesh into its own intestines.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Sheilbh on January 03, 2015, 10:39:25 PM
No, that's just sausages :(
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: dps on January 04, 2015, 01:43:06 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 03, 2015, 10:39:25 PM
No, that's just sausages :(

Uhm, sausage is just animal flesh stuffed into its own intestines.  Unless this is another case of a word meaning something different in American English than in English English.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Ideologue on January 04, 2015, 03:03:04 AM
That's what I was saying, I thought it was some kind of gross organ sausage or something.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: The Brain on January 04, 2015, 03:26:02 AM
Quote from: DGuller on January 03, 2015, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 10:23:36 PM
What's wrong with the food in the Pacific NW?  They have Subways.
Do they have Burger Kings?

I no longer eat at BK. Turned out they prefer beggars in the restaurant over customers.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Tonitrus on January 04, 2015, 06:59:09 AM
Quote from: DGuller on January 03, 2015, 10:30:25 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 03, 2015, 10:23:36 PM
What's wrong with the food in the Pacific NW?  They have Subways.
Do they have Burger Kings?

They even have Jack in the Box...a rarity out east.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Berkut on January 04, 2015, 11:48:01 AM
What is spotted dick? I saw a can of it in Wegmans. Looked like some kind of bread/custard thing?

Kids got a laugh out of it, of course...
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 04, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
I suggest you surprise them with it at dinner one day.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Sheilbh on January 04, 2015, 11:59:20 AM
Quote from: dps on January 04, 2015, 01:43:06 AM
Uhm, sausage is just animal flesh stuffed into its own intestines.  Unless this is another case of a word meaning something different in American English than in English English.
It looks like that's what we all said :lol:

QuoteWhat is spotted dick? I saw a can of it in Wegmans. Looked like some kind of bread/custard thing?
Fruit sponge pudding, often served with custard :)
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: DGuller on January 04, 2015, 01:06:47 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 04, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
I suggest you surprise them with it at dinner one day.
I did that once, and now I have to register my place of residence.  :mad:
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: The Brain on January 04, 2015, 03:47:07 PM
Quote from: DGuller on January 04, 2015, 01:06:47 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 04, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
I suggest you surprise them with it at dinner one day.
I did that once, and now I have to register my place of residence.  :mad:

:mad:
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: Gups on January 05, 2015, 09:23:43 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 04, 2015, 11:59:20 AM
Quote from: dps on January 04, 2015, 01:43:06 AM
Uhm, sausage is just animal flesh stuffed into its own intestines.  Unless this is another case of a word meaning something different in American English than in English English.
It looks like that's what we all said :lol:

QuoteWhat is spotted dick? I saw a can of it in Wegmans. Looked like some kind of bread/custard thing?
Fruit sponge pudding, often served with custard :)

Round here it's a suet pudding with dried fruit.
Title: Re: Spanish Rent Control End Spells Doom for Shopkeepers, Boom for Big Bidness
Post by: The Minsky Moment on January 06, 2015, 11:09:14 AM
Quote from: mongers on January 02, 2015, 08:41:50 PM
Do some Americans consider it a sign of weakness to show some sympathy for the little guy?

Sympathy for the little guy, that's General Franco for you in a nutshell.