QuoteNFL Point Spreads For Week 13 - 11/27 - 12/1, 2014
Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
11/27 12:30 ET At Detroit -7 Chicago
11/27 4:30 ET At Dallas -3 Philadephia
11/27 8:30 ET At San Francisco -1.5 Seattle
11/30 1:00 ET At Indianapolis -9.5 Washington
11/30 1:00 ET At Houston -7 Tennessee
11/30 1:00 ET At Buffalo -3 Cleveland
11/30 1:00 ET At Baltimore -6 San Diego
11/30 1:00 ET NY Giants -3 At Jacksonville
11/30 1:00 ET Cincinnati -3.5 At Tampa Bay
11/30 1:00 ET At St. Louis -7 Oakland
11/30 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -4.5 New Orleans
11/30 1:00 ET At Minnesota -2.5 Carolina
11/30 4:05 ET Arizona -2.5 At Atlanta
11/30 4:25 ET At Green Bay -3 New England
11/30 8:30 ET Denver -2 At Kansas City
Monday Night Football Point Spread
12/1 8:30 ET Miami -7 At NY Jets
Chicago was ahead for a bit, but then Detroit decided to blow the doors off.
Luckily for the Lions they're at home; their road record is so shitty, even the Christians would win. TRY THE VEAL
I would say that the Bears got Cutlered, but when you rush seven times all game for a total of 14 yards, your QB isn't your biggest problem. 7 rushes vs 48 passes is a problem. Especially since you were either leading or close for most of the game.
I'm not sure who's more annoying in this game. Is it the always irritating Cowboys, or is it the Chip Kelly Eagles, with an extra dose of Sanchise?
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What is better is that the feast was right on top of the 49ers logo. :)
Looks like Ray Rice is allowed to come back, if a team will have him.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 29, 2014, 10:36:42 AM
Looks like Ray Rice is allowed to come back, if a team will have him.
The arbitrator's ruling makes the Commissioner's Office look even more suspect than before.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 29, 2014, 12:25:59 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 29, 2014, 10:36:42 AM
Looks like Ray Rice is allowed to come back, if a team will have him.
The arbitrator's ruling makes the Commissioner's Office look even more suspect than before.
Without saying the exact words the arbitrator said Goddell lied about what happened at the first interview. Nobody will care though.
Yeah, it was never appropriate for:
a) Rice to be retroactively punished by the new domestic violence standard (which was supposed to be six games)
b) Rice to be retroactively punished even worse than the new standard (indefinite suspension versus six games)
c) Rice to be given the standard (two game) suspension after openly saying he punched his wife, then the punishment increased when a video comes out showing him do exactly what he said he did
I mean I'm not a lenient guy on domestic violence, but there are levels of domestic violence. Anger management does in fact have a track record of working for some guys, and to be honest Janay Rice needed some classes of her own, she was not a wholly innocent bystander to random violence from Ray. This is a relatively minor misdemeanor, if you look through the database of arrested football players that two game suspension was very common for incidents like this. I understand Goodell has leeway on how he acts but he needs to act consistently. I'd be fine with the new six game standard, but it shouldn't have applied retroactively. Finally, and most importantly, Rice essentially getting a "career death penalty" when we've had literal convicted felons (versus Rice's misdemeanor which went into I believe a diversion) be allowed back in the league to play this always seemed like an overreaction.
Word around town is that it's always been Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots with those two. True love.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on November 29, 2014, 02:12:10 PM
Yeah, it was never appropriate for:
a) Rice to be retroactively punished by the new domestic violence standard (which was supposed to be six games)
b) Rice to be retroactively punished even worse than the new standard (indefinite suspension versus six games)
c) Rice to be given the standard (two game) suspension after openly saying he punched his wife, then the punishment increased when a video comes out showing him do exactly what he said he did
I mean I'm not a lenient guy on domestic violence, but there are levels of domestic violence. Anger management does in fact have a track record of working for some guys, and to be honest Janay Rice needed some classes of her own, she was not a wholly innocent bystander to random violence from Ray. This is a relatively minor misdemeanor, if you look through the database of arrested football players that two game suspension was very common for incidents like this. I understand Goodell has leeway on how he acts but he needs to act consistently. I'd be fine with the new six game standard, but it shouldn't have applied retroactively. Finally, and most importantly, Rice essentially getting a "career death penalty" when we've had literal convicted felons (versus Rice's misdemeanor which went into I believe a diversion) be allowed back in the league to play this always seemed like an overreaction.
Meanwhile, AP is still suspended indefinitely for hitting his kid with a switch.
I haven't followed AP's case since they aren't local to me like the Ravens are, did Goodell suspend him indefinitely or was it just for the rest of the season?
Last I heard it was indefinite. The situation got back-burnered in the media by the Rice situation.
No team in their right mind would ever sign Rice, and it's got nothing to do with the social justice goofballs. Goodell is going to be commish for a very long time, and anybody who embarrasses him by breaking the Ray Rice embargo will be on his shit list forever. An aging RB who put up terrible numbers last year isn't worth that kind of shit. Maybe if he was AP, but he isn't.
In the short life span of running backs Ray probably has 3 really productive years left, and then 2 years of being a fill in player on a roster after that. I suspect he'll be signed somewhere, several teams have already expressed interest.
Oh sweet naive Neil.
I would be slightly surprised if Rice signed or played anywhere this season. He will sign somewhere in the offseason though for sure.
Wow, Oakland is bad. How the hell did they manage to beat KC?
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on November 30, 2014, 02:14:33 PM
Wow, Oakland is bad. How the hell did they manage to beat KC?
Mudball is a different game. When it's raining that hard, the fact that your guys aren't as fast or as talented as the other guys doesn't matter so much.
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Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on November 30, 2014, 02:14:33 PM
Wow, Oakland is bad. How the hell did they manage to beat KC?
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Naturally, when the Bills and the Saints do their jobs, the Ravens' choke with their version of "Who Wants To Be An NFL Cornerback?" walk-on game show.
Meh, then again, "choke" is too wrong a word when the game was decided in the first half, when you walk away with 3 FGs in the red zone in 4 trips. That game should've been over by halftime.
I think the secondary was a bigger problem. When you put up 33, and you lose, you don't blame the QB.
Quote from: sbr on November 30, 2014, 03:20:21 PM
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He is incredible, isn't he?
The secondary is a major problem; Jimmy Smith out, they're signing cornerbacks off the street; Will Hill will pay off next year, but he is still getting burned over the top in learning the system after a 6 game suspension, and Hank Elam is taking his sweet time learning the pro game. They simply cannot beat a good passing game with a quarterback that knows what they're doing with baller receivers.
You knew it was going to be a shootout, but their red zone failures could've shut the door on the Chargers several times. This will be the game that keeps them home for the playoffs.
They can join the Niners whose offense is regressing as season goes on.
Is Pumpernickel playing like shit, or do the Niners have other problems?
I think the Niners have a collective problem: they're not buying what their psycho coach is selling anymore.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 30, 2014, 05:48:17 PM
Is Pumpernickel playing like shit, or do the Niners have other problems?
Both.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 30, 2014, 05:48:17 PM
Is Pumpernickel playing like shit, or do the Niners have other problems?
harbaugh's system isn't a good fit for Him, he has better accuracy moving out of pocket, too many of his passes are under/over thrown when he tries to play in pocket, it is maddening to watch.
The defense is playing amazing considering lost two top defenders for season, but no way this team should be struggling to beat Redskins.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 30, 2014, 05:41:08 PM
They simply cannot beat a good passing game with a quarterback that knows what they're doing with baller receivers.
:shifty:
Pfft, Miami's always a road loss anyway. Nothing new there.
Quote from: katmai on November 30, 2014, 05:54:57 PM
harbaugh's system isn't a good fit for Him, he has better accuracy moving out of pocket, too many of his passes are under/over thrown when he tries to play in pocket, it is maddening to watch.
The defense is playing amazing considering lost two top defenders for season, but no way this team should be struggling to beat Redskins.
I've said before that he's a limited passer. My impression is he can't throw moving left. Also terrible touch. That takes away the seam, the fade, the back shoulder, most deep balls.
And if he gets happy feet in the pocket and always moves right that takes away half the field.
Nice day to be a Bengals fan. I probably would not have started Dalton with his stomach virus, but it worked out in the end.
PATS LOSE
Which technically makes the Bengals a game out of the #1 seed.
Bengals will blow it
He still believes. That's adorable.
Quote from: Neil on November 29, 2014, 07:41:57 PM
No team in their right mind would ever sign Rice, and it's got nothing to do with the social justice goofballs. Goodell is going to be commish for a very long time, and anybody who embarrasses him by breaking the Ray Rice embargo will be on his shit list forever. An aging RB who put up terrible numbers last year isn't worth that kind of shit. Maybe if he was AP, but he isn't.
Lol saving this.
Packers beat bellicheat today. Rodgers looked decent, few missed opportunities in the end-zone by the receivers but a win is a win - especially against the patriots.
Anyway, now that the Bungled have swept that 3-game road stretch, I'm hoping they can split the last 4. 10-5-1 ought to get them into the playoffs. None of the games will be easy, though. They need to win in Cleveland and take one from the Steelers. Monday night against the Broncos? Loss.
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Enjoy tom brady tears from lambeau :mmm:
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 01, 2014, 12:51:05 AM
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Enjoy tom brady tears from lambeau :mmm:
I will hand it to Brady, though: with as many SB rings as he has, all the records, and a career where he could mail it in while living a life of the Unbearable Lightness of Being Brady, the guy is a competitor.
But seeing him lose is always priceless.
Man the Packers are good. I was really impressed by their level of play.
:lol: I'm guessing you hadn't paid much attention to them til now? Rodgers has been playing his ass off the past few weeks.
But see, it wasn't until now that Timmay was impressed with their level of play. Timmay's Expectations > Vince Lombardi's Expectations
Quote from: derspiess on December 01, 2014, 09:38:37 AM
:lol: I'm guessing you hadn't paid much attention to them til now? Rodgers has been playing his ass off the past few weeks.
I knew they were good, but seeing them play is different than academic knowledge. I'm only able to watch about three games a week and I haven't seen them play against anyone nearly as good as the Patriots.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 01, 2014, 09:58:33 AM
Quote from: derspiess on December 01, 2014, 09:38:37 AM
:lol: I'm guessing you hadn't paid much attention to them til now? Rodgers has been playing his ass off the past few weeks.
I knew they were good, but seeing them play is different than academic knowledge. I'm only able to watch about three games a week and I haven't seen them play against anyone nearly as good as the Patriots.
They were one badly-defended play away from losing to the only AFC East team the Patriots have lost to this year... :whistle:
Hoping the Bengals-Steelers game next Sunday won't be flexed. WVU is in town playing Northern Kentucky at 6:00pm. No idea why WVU is doing this as an away game but it may be my only chance to see Huggins' Heroes this season.
This is really fucking embarrassing.
Halftime play selection:
Dolphins: 19 pass, 3 rush (1 by QB)
Jets: 6 pass, 29 rush (0 by QB)
I get why the Jets are so skewed, not so much the Dolphins.
The Dolphins are skewed because Lazor thinks he won't be able to run on the Jets effectively because of their massive defensive line. I'll bet he dials up the run game in the second half. Coyle better start loading the box, too.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on December 01, 2014, 09:56:32 PM
The Dolphins are skewed because Lazor thinks he won't be able to run on the Jets effectively because of their massive defensive line. I'll bet he dials up the run game in the second half. Coyle better start loading the box, too.
Kevin will take care of it. You just worry about the offense.
Well, the inability of the Fins to stop the run bodes well for the Ravens, although Tannehill can carve up the retards in the secondary.
Wow. That was the worst play by an RB ever.
While Tebow sucks and is not a real NFL QB, I thought at points he was the best option for the Jets. If you want to be a straight up run team and don't have the ability to throw downfield effectively no matter who on your roster is under center, I say go with Tebow. He is good at the read option, he is a sort of good running back so it is like running the wildcat every play, and his throwing is not much worse than most running backs on flea flickers.
Good, good. We needed another 7-5 AFC team.
I'm glad I'm on 8476 cardiac meds right now.
:lol: Well I told you not to worry about the D.
Gino Smith. :bleeding:
Geno is not being given the tools to succeed.
Like talent?
:D
Did you guys hear about the five Rams who did the Ferguson Don't Shoot during player intros?
No, I haven't heard that one. How does it go??
They held their hands up in the air while the camera was on them in the tunnel to the locker room.
Seems to have been arranged with the whole team, since those five were the only ones standing in the tunnel at the beginning.
Ancient and Honorable Order of St. Louis Police sent a very angry note to the NFL.
Aw, thought you were gonna tell a joke :(
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2014, 04:36:45 PM
They held their hands up in the air while the camera was on them in the tunnel to the locker room.
Seems to have been arranged with the whole team, since those five were the only ones standing in the tunnel at the beginning.
Ancient and Honorable Order of St. Louis Police sent a very angry note to the NFL.
Awesome. I hope they dare the NFL to fine them over that.
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2014, 01:14:49 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2014, 04:36:45 PM
They held their hands up in the air while the camera was on them in the tunnel to the locker room.
Seems to have been arranged with the whole team, since those five were the only ones standing in the tunnel at the beginning.
Ancient and Honorable Order of St. Louis Police sent a very angry note to the NFL.
Awesome. I hope they dare the NFL to fine them over that.
That was all addressed at Monday's regular team press conference. Both the NFL and the Rams organization said the players were exercising freedom of speech. Nobody's going to be fined.
You people need to watch more NFL Network. yeah, I said it. You people.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2014, 01:20:33 AM
That was all addressed at Monday's regular team press conference. Both the NFL and the Rams organization said the players were exercising freedom of speech. Nobody's going to be fined.
You people need to watch more NFL Network. yeah, I said it. You people.
Well I will finally be done with this degree Dec 15th and I can go back to doing important things like keeping up with NFL drama :P
Quote from: derspiess on December 02, 2014, 09:24:45 AM
Geno is not being given the tools to succeed.
The fact that Sanchez is doing pretty good with the Eagles tells you a lot about the ability of the Jets' coaches to coach up a QB, I'd say.
OK, I know that's not entirely fair, but still.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2014, 04:36:45 PM
Ancient and Honorable Order of St. Louis Police sent a very angry note to the NFL.
They should be embarrassed to be so whiny.
http://deadspin.com/st-louis-cops-declare-rams-hands-up-dont-shoot-to-be-1665003269
QuoteSt. Louis police officers condemned the NFL's Rams today, calling their pre-game display of the "hands up don't shoot" gesture to be "tasteless, offensive and inflammatory." The lengthy statement issued by the St. Louis Police Officers Association demanded Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt be punished for the act:
The SLPOA is calling for the players involved to be disciplined and for the Rams and the NFL to deliver a very public apology. Roorda said he planned to speak to the NFL and the Rams to voice his organization's displeasure tomorrow. He also plans to reach out to other police organizations in St. Louis and around the country to enlist their input on what the appropriate response from law enforcement should be. Roorda warned, "I know that there are those that will say that these players are simply exercising their First Amendment rights. Well I've got news for people who think that way, cops have first amendment rights too, and we plan to exercise ours. I'd remind the NFL and their players that it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products. It's cops and the good people of St. Louis and other NFL towns that do. Somebody needs to throw a flag on this play. If it's not the NFL and the Rams, then it'll be cops and their supporters."
"Roorda" is SLPOA business manager Jeff Roorda, a former cop who was fired for repeatedly lying and falsifying reports and who now pushes his anti-transparency campaign in Missouri's legislature. You can read the full statement over at KSDK.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2014, 01:20:33 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2014, 01:14:49 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 02, 2014, 04:36:45 PM
They held their hands up in the air while the camera was on them in the tunnel to the locker room.
Seems to have been arranged with the whole team, since those five were the only ones standing in the tunnel at the beginning.
Ancient and Honorable Order of St. Louis Police sent a very angry note to the NFL.
Awesome. I hope they dare the NFL to fine them over that.
That was all addressed at Monday's regular team press conference. Both the NFL and the Rams organization said the players were exercising freedom of speech. Nobody's going to be fined.
You people need to watch more NFL Network. yeah, I said it. You people.
They'd have to pay me to watch the NFL network.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 03, 2014, 06:03:15 AM
They'd have to pay me to watch the NFL network.
RACISS
Michael Irving and Prime Time are the two best talking heads in the sport today.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2014, 07:54:46 AM
RACISS
Michael Irving and Prime Time are the two best talking heads in the sport today.
McNabb was doing a really good job in his first game in the booth for Fox.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on December 03, 2014, 08:22:58 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2014, 07:54:46 AM
RACISS
Michael Irving and Prime Time are the two best talking heads in the sport today.
McNabb was doing a really good job in his first game in the booth for Fox.
Hopefully by now he knows what a tie is.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2014, 07:54:46 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 03, 2014, 06:03:15 AM
They'd have to pay me to watch the NFL network.
RACISS
Michael Irving and Prime Time are the two best talking heads in the sport today.
I'd rather be fellated by Janet Reno that watch that drivel.
Nothing beats Lawrence Taylor's 2 week stint as a Sunday afternoon analyst.
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Sorry, Charlie Hustle. Should've run an interstate gambling ring, electrocuted dogs and become a federal felon instead.
[BERKUT]OR MURDER TWO PEOPLE COZ THATS WHAT HAPPENED[/BERKUT]
Gambling by the players and coaches would end professional sports as we know it. So yeah.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2014, 11:19:11 PM
Sorry, Charlie Hustle. Should've run an interstate gambling ring, electrocuted dogs and become a federal felon instead.
Actually, he did spend some time in the federal pen on the income tax evasion thing.
Quote from: dps on December 04, 2014, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2014, 11:19:11 PM
Sorry, Charlie Hustle. Should've run an interstate gambling ring, electrocuted dogs and become a federal felon instead.
Actually, he did spend some time in the federal pen on the income tax evasion thing.
Meh, he's no Martha Stewart though.
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2014, 11:21:36 PM
Gambling by the players and coaches would end professional sports as we know it. So yeah.
I think they've made their point by now with the Pete Rose thing. At least let him in the HOF before he dies.
Quote from: derspiess on December 04, 2014, 09:32:47 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2014, 11:21:36 PM
Gambling by the players and coaches would end professional sports as we know it. So yeah.
I think they've made their point by now with the Pete Rose thing. At least let him in the HOF before he dies.
I don't think so. Especially with him lying about it all those years and getting all those stooges to stand up for him.
Anyway, it will be the best thing for him and baseball for him to be left out. Shoeless Joe Jackson is far more famous for being banned than most of his HOF contemporaries.
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2014, 10:18:45 AM
I don't think so. Especially with him lying about it all those years and getting all those stooges to stand up for him.
So he's a subpar human being. He did bad things when he was a manager. But he was still Charlie Hustle and the Hit King as a player. Let him in.
QuoteAnyway, it will be the best thing for him and baseball for him to be left out. Shoeless Joe Jackson is far more famous for being banned than most of his HOF contemporaries.
Too bad Shoeless Joe didn't get to do a Skechers commercial. Script pretty much writes itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYEGUzV-tOs
Quote from: derspiess on December 04, 2014, 10:24:14 AM
So he's a subpar human being. He did bad things when he was a manager. But he was still Charlie Hustle and the Hit King as a player. Let him in.
Yeah and Barry Bonds is the HR king. He is not getting in either.
Quote from: Valmy on December 04, 2014, 10:26:08 AM
Quote from: derspiess on December 04, 2014, 10:24:14 AM
So he's a subpar human being. He did bad things when he was a manager. But he was still Charlie Hustle and the Hit King as a player. Let him in.
Yeah and Barry Bonds is the HR king. He is not getting in either.
Apples & oranges. As far as we know, Pete didn't take steroids to hit bloop singles into shallow right.
No, he just ended careers in meaningless exhibition games.
Anyway, breaking news on the radio--Haloti Ngata getting suspended 4 games for substance abuse. Adderall. WTF.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 04, 2014, 10:46:02 AM
No, he just ended careers in meaningless exhibition games.
People in the future will think he just really wanted to secure home field advantage in the World Series for the NL.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 04, 2014, 10:46:02 AM
No, he just ended careers in meaningless exhibition games.
Speaking of which, I'm getting my oldest brother this shirt for Christmas:
http://www.cincyshirts.com/index.php/cincyshirts/cincyshirts/pete-rose-ray-fosse-shirt.html
Classy. What, were the Kennedy Assassination shirts out of stock?
Even I wouldn't wear that. And I wore a dress once on a dare.
Rose should be let in after he's kicked.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 04, 2014, 11:14:01 AM
Even I wouldn't wear that. And I wore a dress once on a dare.
You guys are no fun. And trust me, this would be an upgrade to his wardrobe.
And if there were any chance in him wearing it, I'd get him this one:
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LULZ JETS:
QuoteLOOK: How Miami Dolphins played short-handed on Jets' only touchdown of the past 11 quarters (http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/12/heres_how_miami_dolphins_handed_the_jets_their_only_touchdown_of_the_past_two_games.html)
FLORHAM PARK -- You might have noticed that the Jets actually scored a touchdown in Monday night's 16-13 loss to Miami.
Yes, really, they did.
It happened with 7:45 remaining in the first quarter, when wide receiver Greg Salas ran a jet sweep for a 20-yard score.
The Jets scored no touchdowns in their previous game, a 38-3 loss to the Bills.
Their last touchdown had come in the game before that, a win over the Steelers, in the first quarter. The Jets had two touchdowns in the first quarter of that game.
So Salas's 20-yard run on the jet sweep Monday is the Jets' lone touchdown in their past 11 quarters.
And they only had to score it against 10 Miami defenders. That's right.
The Jets, starved for points this year, aren't going to apologize for scoring here, of course. They rank 30th in the NFL with 15.8 points per game, 2.3 fewer than they averaged last year.
Over their past four games (Chiefs, Steelers, Bills and Dolphins), the Jets have just four touchdowns -- one against the Chiefs, two against the Steelers and this one against Miami.
This week in Minnesota, the Jets will presumably have a shot at scoring a touchdown against 11 defenders, unless the Vikings think they can stop the Jets' offense short-handed. Not that they'd have any reason to think that, right?