http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/06/05/japan.herbivore.men/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
QuoteThey are young, earn little and spend little, and take a keen interest in fashion and personal appearance -- meet the "herbivore men" of Japan.
Author and pop culture columnist Maki Fukasawa coined the term in 2006 in a series of articles on marketing to a younger generation of Japanese men. She used it to describe some men who she said were changing the country's ideas about just what is -- and isn't -- masculine.
"In Japan, sex is translated as 'relationship in flesh,'" she said, "so I named those boys 'herbivorous boys' since they are not interested in flesh."
Typically, "herbivore men" are in their 20s and 30s, and believe that friendship without sex can exist between men and women, Fukasawa said.
The term has become a buzzword in Japan. Many people in Tokyo's Harajuku neighborhood were familiar with "herbivore men" -- and had opinions about them.
Shigeyuki Nagayama said such men were not eager to find girlfriends and tend to be clumsy in love, and he admitted he seemed to fit the mold himself.
"My father always asks me if I got a girlfriend. He tells me I'm no good because I can't get a girlfriend."
Midori Saida, a 24-year-old woman sporting oversized aviators and her dyed brown hair in long ringlets, said "herbivore men" were "flaky and weak."
"We like manly men," she said. "We are not interested in those boys -- at all."
Takahito Kaji, 21, said he has been told he is "totally herbivorous."
"Herbivorous boys are fragile, do not have a stocky body -- skinny."
Fukasawa said Japanese men from the baby boomer generation were typically aggressive and proactive when it came to romance and sex. But as a result of growing up during Japan's troubled economy in the 1990s, their children's generation was not as assertive and goal-oriented. Their outlook came, in part, from seeing their fathers' model of masculinity falter even as Japanese women gained more lifestyle options.
Former CNN intern Junichiro Hori, a self-described herbivore, said the idea goes beyond looks and attitudes toward sex.
"Some guys still try to be manly and try to be like strong and stuff, but you know personally I'm not afraid to show my vulnerability because being vulnerable or being sensitive is not a weakness."
Older generations of Japanese men are not happy about the changes. At a bar frequented by businessmen after work, one man said: "You need to be carnivorous when you make decisions in your life. You should be proactive, not passive."
Fukasawa said the group does not care so much about making money -- a quality tied to the fact that there are fewer jobs available during the current global economic recession.
Japan's economy recently saw its largest-ever recorded contraction and has shrunk for four straight quarters. Blue chip companies Sony, Panasonic, Toyota and Nissan all reported losses in May, and most are forecasting the same for the current fiscal year. Though still low by international standards, Japan's reported 5 percent unemployment is the highest since 2003.
Passerby were amazed at the unusually large amounts of blood.
Hori agreed economics has played a role. When he finished university, "a lot of my friends were trying to work for a big company that pays well and I wasn't interested in that. I am kind of struggling financially and my father is not very happy about it," he said.
Fukasawa estimated some 20 percent of men are what she would call "herbivorous" and said their attitudes were influencing others. Indeed, she said, it was a return to the norm for Japanese men, rather than a departure.
"It was after World War II and the post-war economic growth that Japanese men gained the reputation as a sex animal through the competition with the West. Looking back beyond that time, older literature talks a lot about men with the kind of character we see in the herbivorous boys."
Will these men simply grow out of this? Fukasawa said it was anyone's guess.
Some of them may, but Japan's image of masculinity is nonetheless changing.
"The men in dark suits are changing, too," she said. "Today's young people in dark suits are different from the baby boomers in dark suits. They are evolving, too."
Men : emasculated. Women?
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/national/news/20090613p2a00m0na027000c.html
QuoteYoung women are flocking to significant landmarks from the Warring States period, and college girls are buying up samurai-themed products. Sales of historical books are up, and there have been efforts to revive the publication of paperbacks on warlords. Behind this craze is the surge in "reki-jo" or "history girls." But why now?
On weekends, Jidai Shobo, a bookstore specializing in historical books in Tokyo's Chiyoda Ward, is packed with groups of young women. Most of the shop's customers were men when it first opened in February 2006, but by last year, half were women, of which around 90 percent are in their 20s and 30s.
Stationery and mobile phone accessories with family crests of feudal lords line the shelves, with figurines of Sanada Yukimura, the most popular of the warlords, and others also for sale. "I like Kato Kiyomasa," says customer Izumi Sekine, 34, of a warlord who served the shogun Tokugawa Ieyasu. "There's an almost picture-perfect masculinity about him."
In August 2008, the Kojuro Plaza opened in the city of Shiroishi in Miyagi Prefecture, home of Katakura Kojuro, a senior retainer of the 17th century warlord Date Masamune. Sales of Kojuro-related goods subsequently exceeded 100,000 yen on some days. Visitors to Shiroishi Castle during the week-long holiday in May jumped to 135 percent compared to the previous year, and most recent visitors have been young women, according to city officials. The tourist center in Ueda, Sanada Yukimura's hometown in Nagano Prefecture, has also enjoyed a jump in sales.
The publishing business has felt the effects of this boom as well. Monthly magazine "Rekishi kaido" ("History way") had a circulation of less than 70,000 copies five years ago; now it sees sales of 120,000 copies.
"The proportion of female readers has gone up from 15 percent of total readers to 40 percent," says editor-in-chief Kiyotaka Tatsumoto. The magazine's publisher, PHP Institute, revived publication of the biographies of warlords Date Masamune (1567-1636) and Uesugi Kenshin (1530-1578) in late March this year, and plans to revive publication of the biographies of Hosokawa Tadaoki (1563-1646) and Gamo Ujisato (1556-1595) due to popular demand.
More unorthodox products have seen a boost in sales as well. There is a constant shortage in stock of Sido brand underwear or men's "armor" underwear, which cost a considerable 9,240 a pair. According to Tokyo-based manufacturer Rogin, about 80 percent of buyers are women.
"As a result of the history boom, our underwear seems to have gained popularity as gifts," says Rogin president Shiro Nogi. "We're planning to come out with a women's line, too."
So how do "reki-jo" differ from the original history buffs, who were mostly middle-aged men? "In general, men relate battles and the management styles of warlords back to their own corporate environments, and try to use whatever they lessons they can to improve their own work lives," says Tetsuo Owada, a professor emeritus at Shizuoka University who has written over 100 books on the Warring States period. "But for women, it's more about the admiration they feel towards the warlords' approach to their lives." Owada adds that this may be a backlash against what they see as the selfishness of political and financial leaders today.
Meanwhile, researcher Tetsuaki Higashida from the Dentsu Communication Institute suggests that women are attracted to the masculinity of these warlords, compared to the more passive modern men that they know. "Gender role reversals have been taking place, with men cooking and women playing golf," he says. "It's not unacceptable nowadays for women to take an interest in warlords, which used to be an area of interest reserved for men."
Very yes.
Young men, interested in fashion, personal appearance, and friendship but no sex with girls? We call it "gay".
Quote from: Martinus on June 14, 2009, 07:05:42 PM
Young men, interested in fashion, personal appearance, and friendship but no sex with girls? We call it "gay".
They don't seem to be homosexuals. And so long as they aren't having sex with men, they will continue to be civilized humans.
Oh dear God.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 14, 2009, 07:10:26 PM
Oh dear God.
The amazing thing is that they're just like you.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 14, 2009, 07:01:05 PM
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/national/news/20090613p2a00m0na027000c.html
Young women are flocking to significant landmarks from the Warring States period, and college girls are buying up samurai-themed products. Sales of historical books are up, and there have been efforts to revive the publication of paperbacks on warlords. Behind this craze is the surge in "reki-jo" or "history girls." But why now?
On weekends, Jidai Shobo, a bookstore specializing in historical books in Tokyo's Chiyoda Ward, is packed with groups of young women. Most of the shop's customers were men when it first opened in February 2006, but by last year, half were women, of which around 90 percent are in their 20s and 30s.
Stationery and mobile phone accessories with family crests of feudal lords line the shelves, with figurines of Sanada Yukimura, the most popular of the warlords, and others also for sale. "I like Kato Kiyomasa," says customer Izumi Sekine, 34, of a warlord who served the shogun Tokugawa Ieyasu. "There's an almost picture-perfect masculinity about him."
In August 2008, the Kojuro Plaza opened in the city of Shiroishi in Miyagi Prefecture, home of Katakura Kojuro, a senior retainer of the 17th century warlord Date Masamune. Sales of Kojuro-related goods subsequently exceeded 100,000 yen on some days. Visitors to Shiroishi Castle during the week-long holiday in May jumped to 135 percent compared to the previous year, and most recent visitors have been young women, according to city officials. The tourist center in Ueda, Sanada Yukimura's hometown in Nagano Prefecture, has also enjoyed a jump in sales.
The publishing business has felt the effects of this boom as well. Monthly magazine "Rekishi kaido" ("History way") had a circulation of less than 70,000 copies five years ago; now it sees sales of 120,000 copies.
"The proportion of female readers has gone up from 15 percent of total readers to 40 percent," says editor-in-chief Kiyotaka Tatsumoto. The magazine's publisher, PHP Institute, revived publication of the biographies of warlords Date Masamune (1567-1636) and Uesugi Kenshin (1530-1578) in late March this year, and plans to revive publication of the biographies of Hosokawa Tadaoki (1563-1646) and Gamo Ujisato (1556-1595) due to popular demand.
More unorthodox products have seen a boost in sales as well. There is a constant shortage in stock of Sido brand underwear or men's "armor" underwear, which cost a considerable 9,240 a pair. According to Tokyo-based manufacturer Rogin, about 80 percent of buyers are women.
"As a result of the history boom, our underwear seems to have gained popularity as gifts," says Rogin president Shiro Nogi. "We're planning to come out with a women's line, too."
So how do "reki-jo" differ from the original history buffs, who were mostly middle-aged men? "In general, men relate battles and the management styles of warlords back to their own corporate environments, and try to use whatever they lessons they can to improve their own work lives," says Tetsuo Owada, a professor emeritus at Shizuoka University who has written over 100 books on the Warring States period. "But for women, it's more about the admiration they feel towards the warlords' approach to their lives." Owada adds that this may be a backlash against what they see as the selfishness of political and financial leaders today.
Meanwhile, researcher Tetsuaki Higashida from the Dentsu Communication Institute suggests that women are attracted to the masculinity of these warlords, compared to the more passive modern men that they know. "Gender role reversals have been taking place, with men cooking and women playing golf," he says. "It's not unacceptable nowadays for women to take an interest in warlords, which used to be an area of interest reserved for men."
HOT
QuoteTypically, "herbivore men" are in their 20s and 30s, and believe that friendship without sex can exist between men and women, Fukasawa said.
Fukasawa!?
Seriously though... what kind of men are these!? This seems like Japan is catching up with that whole "metrosexual" thing.
It's Japan. They have a new trend every few months. Very soon they'll forget all these and make up new terms.
Quote from: Neil on June 14, 2009, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 14, 2009, 07:10:26 PM
Oh dear God.
The amazing thing is that they're just like you.
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Quote from: Neil on June 14, 2009, 07:07:16 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 14, 2009, 07:05:42 PM
Young men, interested in fashion, personal appearance, and friendship but no sex with girls? We call it "gay".
They don't seem to be homosexuals. And so long as they aren't having sex with men, they will continue to be civilized humans.
Well, neither am I. :P
QuoteTypically, "herbivore men" are in their 20s and 30s, and believe that friendship without sex can exist between men and women, Fukasawa said.
The very thought of such a thing! Oh noes! :o
QuoteTypically, "herbivore men" are in their 20s and 30s, and believe that friendship without sex can exist between men and women, Fukasawa said.
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Tim's dream room. :(
Quote from: Martinus on June 15, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 14, 2009, 07:07:16 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 14, 2009, 07:05:42 PM
Young men, interested in fashion, personal appearance, and friendship but no sex with girls? We call it "gay".
They don't seem to be homosexuals. And so long as they aren't having sex with men, they will continue to be civilized humans.
Well, neither am I. :P
But you have. You are uncivilized.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on June 15, 2009, 04:36:30 AM
QuoteTypically, "herbivore men" are in their 20s and 30s, and believe that friendship without sex can exist between men and women, Fukasawa said.
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OK, all the posters and whatnot I can accept. The girl pillows are creepy. But what freaks me out the most about that picture is the second guy from the left who is groping the area on the girl pillow where her breast would be. Except it's a standard pillow shape, and doesn't have breasts at all. I mean, if it was somehow curvy like a woman, at least I could understand the concept, but...
Creepy.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.pyzam.com%2Fimg%2Ffunnypics%2Ff%2Fpyzamronery.jpg&hash=0b8b6ed9a6ae70afa57fa089f8ec86e0c5fff7fb)
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 15, 2009, 06:09:40 AM
Tim's dream room. :(
Eww, no. The pillows are just creepy.
Then again, can you really blame the Japanese men for falling for these handdrawn girls? After all, Asian girls aren't particularily attractive. Instead, they fall for these idealized white girls. Everybody loves white people.
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 08:02:28 AM
OK, all the posters and whatnot I can accept. The girl pillows are creepy. But what freaks me out the most about that picture is the second guy from the left who is groping the area on the girl pillow where her breast would be. Except it's a standard pillow shape, and doesn't have breasts at all. I mean, if it was somehow curvy like a woman, at least I could understand the concept, but...
Creepy.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcheeju.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F08%2Fpillow2.jpg&hash=b311533462d6e1537a84be65967f8b9fe66a6fbc)
Is there some sort of Japanese Woman shortage or something?
Japan is truly awful.
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 11:08:41 AM
Is there some sort of Japanese Woman shortage or something?
Internet standards are bad enough - imagine trying to look like anime characters. For one, it isn't physically possible.
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 08:02:28 AM
OK, all the posters and whatnot I can accept. The girl pillows are creepy. But what freaks me out the most about that picture is the second guy from the left who is groping the area on the girl pillow where her breast would be. Except it's a standard pillow shape, and doesn't have breasts at all. I mean, if it was somehow curvy like a woman, at least I could understand the concept, but...
Creepy.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.entertainmentearth.com%2Fimages%2F%255CAUTOIMAGES%255CNP5001lg.jpg&hash=2a422e526fbae84917ef37105c8eaf4cda8324e2)
Quote from: Malthus on June 15, 2009, 11:12:53 AM
Internet standards are bad enough - imagine trying to look like anime characters. For one, it isn't physically possible.
But why the hell would any sane person want to look like an anime character?
That is sort of like fantasizing about a Simpsons character.
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 11:14:36 AMThat is sort of like fantasizing about a Simpsons character.
NSFW:
http://imgur.com/717L.jpg
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 15, 2009, 11:12:53 AM
Internet standards are bad enough - imagine trying to look like anime characters. For one, it isn't physically possible.
But why the hell would any sane person want to look like an anime character?
That is sort of like fantasizing about a Simpsons character.
Since when have fetishes ever been particularly sane? :lol:
Thing is, it seems a sizable proportion of Japanese men are into this fetish.
Quote from: Syt on June 15, 2009, 11:16:14 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 11:14:36 AMThat is sort of like fantasizing about a Simpsons character.
NSFW:
http://imgur.com/717L.jpg
No way on earth am I clicking that link. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on June 15, 2009, 11:18:49 AM
No way on earth am I clicking that link. :lol:
It's pretty funny actually, but not sfw.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on June 15, 2009, 09:50:24 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 08:02:28 AM
OK, all the posters and whatnot I can accept. The girl pillows are creepy. But what freaks me out the most about that picture is the second guy from the left who is groping the area on the girl pillow where her breast would be. Except it's a standard pillow shape, and doesn't have breasts at all. I mean, if it was somehow curvy like a woman, at least I could understand the concept, but...
Creepy.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcheeju.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F08%2Fpillow2.jpg&hash=b311533462d6e1537a84be65967f8b9fe66a6fbc)
That's a whole different flavour of creepy.
Quote from: Syt on June 15, 2009, 11:16:14 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 11:14:36 AMThat is sort of like fantasizing about a Simpsons character.
NSFW:
http://imgur.com/717L.jpg
Proves Malthus' theory that fetishes have never been particularly sane. That cant be real.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on June 15, 2009, 11:20:09 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 15, 2009, 11:18:49 AM
No way on earth am I clicking that link. :lol:
It's pretty funny actually, but not sfw.
there's fucked up and then there's fucked up. that's fucked up.
this whole thread should be sent to war. or treeplanting. or roofing. or to play hockey. or something.
Hott.
I mean, pussy is pussy.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 15, 2009, 11:37:27 AM
Hott.
I mean, pussy is pussy.
We don't need to hear about your cat fetish.
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2009, 11:14:36 AM
But why the hell would any sane person want to look like an anime character?
That is sort of like fantasizing about a Simpsons character.
Well... Lois from Family Guy is quite hot... considering she's a cartoon, I mean.
I don't think this is a "sizable" portion of Japanese men. just a few scrawny Otaku who have a bit of fashion sense. I used to see guys like that in Gay clubs... they didn't mate, just hung out, often pleasant to talk to. Adolescence there is lasting longer and longer than even in North America. 30 is the new 14.
Quote from: Palisadoes on June 15, 2009, 11:59:33 AM
Well... Lois from Family Guy is quite hot... considering she's a cartoon, I mean.
Well I guess the difference is you are only attracted to Lois to the extent she looks like a woman. You are not attracted to real women because they look like cartoons.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on June 15, 2009, 12:02:22 PM
I don't think this is a "sizable" portion of Japanese men. just a few scrawny Otaku who have a bit of fashion sense. I used to see guys like that in Gay clubs... they didn't mate, just hung out, often pleasant to talk to. Adolescence there is lasting longer and longer than even in North America. 30 is the new 14.
That is a cultural difference that really freaks me out. In Japanese media we are exposed to, like say video games, the protagonists are always about 15 or something freakishly young like that.
Kind of funny for one of the oldest populations in the world to have an obsession with being a young teen.
The fantasy figures of youth in Japan also have far more social freedom than anyone does in the reality of the place. Fantasy is such a big element of the culture because the rest of it is so tightly wound.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 15, 2009, 11:37:27 AM
Hott.
I mean, pussy is pussy.
But sex will look like Homer giving you a blowjob. :x
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on June 15, 2009, 12:02:22 PM
I don't think this is a "sizable" portion of Japanese men. just a few scrawny Otaku who have a bit of fashion sense. I used to see guys like that in Gay clubs... they didn't mate, just hung out, often pleasant to talk to. Adolescence there is lasting longer and longer than even in North America. 30 is the new 14.
Then again, we're seeing the same sort of thing here. Look at black people, for example. Isn't gangsta culture nothing but a protracted adolescence, where you're never responsible for anything?
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 12:26:12 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on June 15, 2009, 12:02:22 PM
I don't think this is a "sizable" portion of Japanese men. just a few scrawny Otaku who have a bit of fashion sense. I used to see guys like that in Gay clubs... they didn't mate, just hung out, often pleasant to talk to. Adolescence there is lasting longer and longer than even in North America. 30 is the new 14.
Then again, we're seeing the same sort of thing here. Look at black people, for example. Isn't gangsta culture nothing but a protracted adolescence, where you're never responsible for anything?
yeah it's actually subtler here, we don't have that need to turn everything into a fetish as they do in Japan. They have to channel all the excess shame somewhere. It piles up fast, that stuff.
I dunno... isn't "Gangsta" (scumbag) culture just a fetish too?
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 12:26:12 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on June 15, 2009, 12:02:22 PM
I don't think this is a "sizable" portion of Japanese men. just a few scrawny Otaku who have a bit of fashion sense. I used to see guys like that in Gay clubs... they didn't mate, just hung out, often pleasant to talk to. Adolescence there is lasting longer and longer than even in North America. 30 is the new 14.
Then again, we're seeing the same sort of thing here. Look at black people, for example. Isn't gangsta culture nothing but a protracted adolescence, where you're never responsible for anything?
We gays have it too.
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2009, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 12:26:12 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on June 15, 2009, 12:02:22 PM
I don't think this is a "sizable" portion of Japanese men. just a few scrawny Otaku who have a bit of fashion sense. I used to see guys like that in Gay clubs... they didn't mate, just hung out, often pleasant to talk to. Adolescence there is lasting longer and longer than even in North America. 30 is the new 14.
Then again, we're seeing the same sort of thing here. Look at black people, for example. Isn't gangsta culture nothing but a protracted adolescence, where you're never responsible for anything?
We gays have it too.
Naturally, but that's a mental disorder, not a cultural phenomenon.
Quote from: Neil on June 16, 2009, 09:57:50 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2009, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 12:26:12 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on June 15, 2009, 12:02:22 PM
I don't think this is a "sizable" portion of Japanese men. just a few scrawny Otaku who have a bit of fashion sense. I used to see guys like that in Gay clubs... they didn't mate, just hung out, often pleasant to talk to. Adolescence there is lasting longer and longer than even in North America. 30 is the new 14.
Then again, we're seeing the same sort of thing here. Look at black people, for example. Isn't gangsta culture nothing but a protracted adolescence, where you're never responsible for anything?
We gays have it too.
Naturally, but that's a mental disorder, not a cultural phenomenon.
:lol: You are such a retard. No, for gays, it is entirely cultural and has everything to do with not having to worry about kids but having to worry about looking young.
Of course, you're an idiot, Marty, as not all gays are like you. :o
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2009, 09:59:47 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 16, 2009, 09:57:50 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2009, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 12:26:12 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on June 15, 2009, 12:02:22 PM
I don't think this is a "sizable" portion of Japanese men. just a few scrawny Otaku who have a bit of fashion sense. I used to see guys like that in Gay clubs... they didn't mate, just hung out, often pleasant to talk to. Adolescence there is lasting longer and longer than even in North America. 30 is the new 14.
Then again, we're seeing the same sort of thing here. Look at black people, for example. Isn't gangsta culture nothing but a protracted adolescence, where you're never responsible for anything?
We gays have it too.
Naturally, but that's a mental disorder, not a cultural phenomenon.
:lol: You are such a retard. No, for gays, it is entirely cultural and has everything to do with not having to worry about kids but having to worry about looking young.
Maybe, but what I meant is that homosexuality is a mental disorder, whereas gangsta culture or Asian infantalization is a cultural phenomenon that affects sane people.
Quote from: Neil on June 16, 2009, 10:03:15 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2009, 09:59:47 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 16, 2009, 09:57:50 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2009, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 12:26:12 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on June 15, 2009, 12:02:22 PM
I don't think this is a "sizable" portion of Japanese men. just a few scrawny Otaku who have a bit of fashion sense. I used to see guys like that in Gay clubs... they didn't mate, just hung out, often pleasant to talk to. Adolescence there is lasting longer and longer than even in North America. 30 is the new 14.
Then again, we're seeing the same sort of thing here. Look at black people, for example. Isn't gangsta culture nothing but a protracted adolescence, where you're never responsible for anything?
We gays have it too.
Naturally, but that's a mental disorder, not a cultural phenomenon.
:lol: You are such a retard. No, for gays, it is entirely cultural and has everything to do with not having to worry about kids but having to worry about looking young.
Maybe, but what I meant is that homosexuality is a mental disorder, whereas gangsta culture or Asian infantalization is a cultural phenomenon that affects sane people.
I think those last two also affect insane people as indiscriminately as they do the sane.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on June 16, 2009, 11:21:18 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 16, 2009, 10:03:15 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2009, 09:59:47 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 16, 2009, 09:57:50 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 16, 2009, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 12:26:12 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on June 15, 2009, 12:02:22 PM
I don't think this is a "sizable" portion of Japanese men. just a few scrawny Otaku who have a bit of fashion sense. I used to see guys like that in Gay clubs... they didn't mate, just hung out, often pleasant to talk to. Adolescence there is lasting longer and longer than even in North America. 30 is the new 14.
Then again, we're seeing the same sort of thing here. Look at black people, for example. Isn't gangsta culture nothing but a protracted adolescence, where you're never responsible for anything?
We gays have it too.
Naturally, but that's a mental disorder, not a cultural phenomenon.
:lol: You are such a retard. No, for gays, it is entirely cultural and has everything to do with not having to worry about kids but having to worry about looking young.
Maybe, but what I meant is that homosexuality is a mental disorder, whereas gangsta culture or Asian infantalization is a cultural phenomenon that affects sane people.
I think those last two also affect insane people as indiscriminately as they do the sane.
That's true. But homosexuality affects exclusively insane people, because being homosexual is, by definition, insanity.