Oh noes, Camper's doomed!
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Alarm bells ring over volcano find
New 4:00AM Monday Jun 15, 2009
A New Zealand geologist has triggered concerns about the possibility of another American "supervolcano" building under Mt St Helens.
GNS scientist Graham Hill has found big, connected channels of semi-molten rock beneath the southern Washington state mountain, which killed 57 people when it erupted in 1980, New Scientist magazine reports.
The discovery has revealed what may be an extraordinarily large zone of semi-molten rock, which would be capable of feeding a giant eruption.
The New Zealander led a team that set up sensors around Mt St Helens and found a column of conductive material that extends downwards from the volcano.
About 15km below the surface, the relatively narrow column appears to connect to a huge zone of conductive material.
This larger zone was first identified in the 1980s by another survey, and was found to extend all the way to beneath Mt Rainier 70km to the northeast, and Mt Adams 50km to the east.
It was thought to be a zone of wet sediment, water being a good electrical conductor.
But because the new measurements showed an apparent conduit connecting this conductive zone to Mt St Helens, Dr Hill now thought the conductive material was more likely to be a semi-molten mixture.
Its conductivity was not high enough for it to be pure magma, so it was more likely to be a mixture of solid and molten rock, he said.
But Oregon State University expert Gary Egbert, who was not a member of the research team, told the Oregon Public Broadcasting Service that he would be more cautious.
"It seems likely that there's some partial melt down there," given that it is a volcanic area, he says.
"But part of the conductivity is probably just water."
If the structure beneath the three volcanoes is a vast bubble of partially molten rock, it would be comparable in size to the biggest magma chambers ever discovered, such as the one below Yellowstone National Park.
Every few hundred thousand years, such chambers can erupt as so-called supervolcanoes - the one below Yellowstone did about 640,000 yearsago.
These enormous eruptions can spew enough sunlight-blocking ash into the atmosphere to cool the global climate by several degrees celsius.
Asked whether Mt St Helens could erupt like this, Dr Hill said: "A really big, big eruption is possible if it is one of those big systems like Yellowstone.
"I don't think it will be tomorrow, but I couldn't try to predict when it would happen."
He said further measurements probing the structure of the crust beneath the other volcanoes in the area could help to determine if the zone connects to them all.
- NZPA
Doomed. :cry:
Uh-oh!
Quote from: Palisadoes on June 14, 2009, 10:09:43 PM
Uh-oh!
At least there is an ocean between you as this shit; I have St Helens an hour to my north and Yellowstone close enough to kill me when it goes.
What would Jesus do?
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 15, 2009, 06:54:25 AM
What would Jesus do?
Keep standing outside Home Depot, like he does every day.
Business as usual then.
Quote from: sbr on June 14, 2009, 11:21:17 PM
Quote from: Palisadoes on June 14, 2009, 10:09:43 PM
Uh-oh!
At least there is an ocean between you as this shit; I have St Helens an hour to my north and Yellowstone close enough to kill me when it goes.
I think you should look into relocating sometime soon haha! Pretty bad location you've got at the moment, considering.
I am unworried.
Scary stuff! But then, we do know that a super-volcano eruption is possible sometime, somewhere, right? There was one in the 1800s in Indonesia, I think it was called Krakatoa. Caused there to be kind of no summer across some areas, such as the northern US that year.
Quote from: KRonn on June 15, 2009, 08:50:15 AM
Scary stuff! But then, we do know that a super-volcano eruption is possible sometime, somewhere, right? There was one in the 1800s in Indonesia, I think it was called Krakatoa. Caused there to be kind of no summer across some areas, such as the northern US that year.
I think Krakatoa was just a big volcano. A supervolcano is on a much more massive scale--and might have effects something akin to a nuclear winter. I think there might have been a supervolcano at some point in prehistory that almost caused humans to go extinct. Or maybe that was just a big volcano too.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 15, 2009, 07:05:39 AM
Business as usual then.
Meanwhile, disaster documentary makers creamed their pants.
Why the fuck can't there be a mini-volcano under Tim?
Quote from: KRonn on June 15, 2009, 08:50:15 AM
Scary stuff! But then, we do know that a super-volcano eruption is possible sometime, somewhere, right? There was one in the 1800s in Indonesia, I think it was called Krakatoa. Caused there to be kind of no summer across some areas, such as the northern US that year.
Tambora wasn't a supervolcano. It was a large, powerful volcano (the most powerful in the memory of civilized man), but at least an order of magnitude less than a true supervolcano like Yellowstone or Toba.
They have a measurement for volcanic eruptions called Volcanic Explosivity Index, which measures the volume of ejecta (as if it were dense rock) from the eruption and the height of the volcanic plume. It goes by order of magnitude, and so a VEI 5 (the St. Helens eruption was a 5) produces on the order of 1 cubic kilometre of ejecta, whereas a VEI 6 (like Krakatoa in 1883) produces on the order of 10 km
3, and a VEI 7 (Tambora) produces on the order of 100 km
3. VEI 8 is the realm of the supervolcanos , and they produce over 1000 km
3 worth of ejecta. Yellowstone's last eruption was barely a VEI 8. On the other hand, there was an eruption in Indonesia 70,000 years ago that produced about 3,000 km
3. We haven't had a VEI 8 since we became civilized.
Neil, does all that preclude my "volcano under Tim" wish?
Quote from: PDH on June 15, 2009, 09:07:32 AM
Why the fuck can't there be a mini-volcano under Tim?
The east coast is pretty stable in that respect. The North American plate has stretched to his advantage.
Quote from: PDH on June 15, 2009, 09:30:05 AM
Neil, does all that preclude my "volcano under Tim" wish?
It would be easier if you were to move Tim to the volcano.
Quote from: PDH on June 15, 2009, 09:30:05 AM
Neil, does all that preclude my "volcano under Tim" wish?
Not if he eats Taco Bell.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 15, 2009, 09:34:10 AM
Quote from: PDH on June 15, 2009, 09:30:05 AM
Neil, does all that preclude my "volcano under Tim" wish?
Not if he eats Taco Bell.
Unless he produces 10,000 m
3 of ejecta, he'd have a VEI of 0. :(
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 09:32:55 AM
It would be easier if you were to move Tim to the volcano.
I see...I wonder how many Indonesian teaching positions are open...
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 09:37:33 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 15, 2009, 09:34:10 AM
Not if he eats Taco Bell.
Unless he produces 10,000 m3 of ejecta, he'd have a VEI of 0. :(
That would require quite a few items on the dollar menu.
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: KRonn on June 15, 2009, 08:50:15 AM
Scary stuff! But then, we do know that a super-volcano eruption is possible sometime, somewhere, right? There was one in the 1800s in Indonesia, I think it was called Krakatoa. Caused there to be kind of no summer across some areas, such as the northern US that year.
Tambora wasn't a supervolcano. It was a large, powerful volcano (the most powerful in the memory of civilized man), but at least an order of magnitude less than a true supervolcano like Yellowstone or Toba.
They have a measurement for volcanic eruptions called Volcanic Explosivity Index, which measures the volume of ejecta (as if it were dense rock) from the eruption and the height of the volcanic plume. It goes by order of magnitude, and so a VEI 5 (the St. Helens eruption was a 5) produces on the order of 1 cubic kilometre of ejecta, whereas a VEI 6 (like Krakatoa in 1883) produces on the order of 10 km3, and a VEI 7 (Tambora) produces on the order of 100 km3. VEI 8 is the realm of the supervolcanos , and they produce over 1000 km3 worth of ejecta. Yellowstone's last eruption was barely a VEI 8. On the other hand, there was an eruption in Indonesia 70,000 years ago that produced about 3,000 km3. We haven't had a VEI 8 since we became civilized.
Hmm... in that case we could be doomed, or dangerously close to it!
Quote from: KRonn on June 15, 2009, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: KRonn on June 15, 2009, 08:50:15 AM
Scary stuff! But then, we do know that a super-volcano eruption is possible sometime, somewhere, right? There was one in the 1800s in Indonesia, I think it was called Krakatoa. Caused there to be kind of no summer across some areas, such as the northern US that year.
Tambora wasn't a supervolcano. It was a large, powerful volcano (the most powerful in the memory of civilized man), but at least an order of magnitude less than a true supervolcano like Yellowstone or Toba.
They have a measurement for volcanic eruptions called Volcanic Explosivity Index, which measures the volume of ejecta (as if it were dense rock) from the eruption and the height of the volcanic plume. It goes by order of magnitude, and so a VEI 5 (the St. Helens eruption was a 5) produces on the order of 1 cubic kilometre of ejecta, whereas a VEI 6 (like Krakatoa in 1883) produces on the order of 10 km3, and a VEI 7 (Tambora) produces on the order of 100 km3. VEI 8 is the realm of the supervolcanos , and they produce over 1000 km3 worth of ejecta. Yellowstone's last eruption was barely a VEI 8. On the other hand, there was an eruption in Indonesia 70,000 years ago that produced about 3,000 km3. We haven't had a VEI 8 since we became civilized.
Hmm... in that case we could be doomed, or dangerously close to it!
No, what it means is that we're in no immediate danger, and there's nothing that can be done at any rate.
Shrug the rich part of the world could probably cope with a supervolcano eruption. It would be tough but we would probably make it with proper rationing. The third world would face a massextinction however. So Neil probably wish we have one as soon as possible. :menace:
The ash would be a nice set off to global warming.
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: KRonn on June 15, 2009, 10:08:38 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: KRonn on June 15, 2009, 08:50:15 AM
Scary stuff! But then, we do know that a super-volcano eruption is possible sometime, somewhere, right? There was one in the 1800s in Indonesia, I think it was called Krakatoa. Caused there to be kind of no summer across some areas, such as the northern US that year.
Tambora wasn't a supervolcano. It was a large, powerful volcano (the most powerful in the memory of civilized man), but at least an order of magnitude less than a true supervolcano like Yellowstone or Toba.
They have a measurement for volcanic eruptions called Volcanic Explosivity Index, which measures the volume of ejecta (as if it were dense rock) from the eruption and the height of the volcanic plume. It goes by order of magnitude, and so a VEI 5 (the St. Helens eruption was a 5) produces on the order of 1 cubic kilometre of ejecta, whereas a VEI 6 (like Krakatoa in 1883) produces on the order of 10 km3, and a VEI 7 (Tambora) produces on the order of 100 km3. VEI 8 is the realm of the supervolcanos , and they produce over 1000 km3 worth of ejecta. Yellowstone's last eruption was barely a VEI 8. On the other hand, there was an eruption in Indonesia 70,000 years ago that produced about 3,000 km3. We haven't had a VEI 8 since we became civilized.
Hmm... in that case we could be doomed, or dangerously close to it!
No, what it means is that we're in no immediate danger, and there's nothing that can be done at any rate.
Heh, right; I worded that wrong. It isn't about to happen, so no doom. I didn't realize how significant a super volcano actually was, and thought that we'd had them in historical times without such devastating effects.
After the Awakening in 2012, and when Great Ghost Dance will begin, this will be used an excuse when some Native Americans appear to set off a bunch of volcanoes.
Quote from: Cecil on June 15, 2009, 11:18:28 AM
Shrug the rich part of the world could probably cope with a supervolcano eruption. It would be tough but we would probably make it with proper rationing. The third world would face a massextinction however. So Neil probably wish we have one as soon as possible. :menace:
Depends on where it is. Yellowstone would be moderately devastating to the civilized world.
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 09:26:03 AM
Tambora wasn't a supervolcano. It was a large, powerful volcano (the most powerful in the memory of civilized man),
Except of course the one that took Atlantis. ;)