QuoteUN: Islamic State tortured, publicly executed rights lawyer in Mosul
Samira Salih al-Nuaimi was seized from home after allegedly posting Facebook messages critical of IS' destruction of religious sites.
By The Associated Press | Sep. 26, 2014 | 5:00 AM
Islamic State militants publicly killed a rights lawyer in the Iraqi city of Mosul after finding her guilty of apostasy in a self-styled Islamic court, the United Nations said Thursday.
Samira Salih al-Nuaimi was seized from her home on September 17 after allegedly posting messages on Facebook that were critical of the militants' destruction of religious sites in Mosul. Her Facebook page appears to have been removed since her death.
According to the United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq, al-Nuaimi was tried in a so-called "Sharia court" for apostasy, after which she was tortured for five days before the militants sentenced her to public execution.
"By torturing and executing a female human rights' lawyer and activist, defending in particular the civil and human rights of her fellow citizens in Mosul, ISIL continues to attest to its infamous nature, combining hatred, nihilism and savagery, as well as its total disregard of human decency," Nickolay Mladenov, the UN envoy to Iraq, said in a statement, referring to the group by an acronym.
The militant group captured Iraq's second largest city Mosul during its rapid advance across the country's north and west in June, as Iraqi security forces melted away. The extremists now rule a vast, self-declared caliphate straddling the Syria-Iraq border in which they have imposed a harsh version of Islamic law and beheaded and massacred their opponents.
In the once-diverse city of Mosul the group has forced religious minorities to convert to Islam, pay special taxes or die, causing tens of thousands to flee. The militants have enforced a strict dress code on women, going so far as to veil the faces of female mannequins in store fronts.
In August, the group destroyed a number of historic landmarks in the town, including several mosques and shrines, claiming they promote apostasy.
The Gulf Center for Human Rights said Wednesday that al-Nuaimi had worked on detainee rights and poverty. The Bahrain-based rights organization said her death "is solely motivated by her peaceful and legitimate human rights work, in particular defending the civil and human rights of her fellow citizens in Mosul."
The militants' rapid advance eventually prompted U.S. airstrikes last month to aid Kurdish forces and protect religious minorities in Iraq. This week a newly formed U.S.-led coalition expanded the aerial campaign into Syria, where the Islamic State group is battling President Bashar Assad's forces as well as Western-backed rebels.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.617721
This makes me so sick and angry I can't even begin to describe it.
Why'd you make this a separate thread? Seems, unfortunately, in line with everything else they have been doing.
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2014, 10:34:01 AM
Why'd you make this a separate thread?
Because I thought this brave woman deserves her own thread, more than some attention whore with a mattress. Seriously, go fuck yourself if that is all you can comment.
If we're going to create a thread for every person tortured/executed by ISIS, we're going to need a lot of threads.
Obviously this is terrible and there are hardly words to state how infuriating/awful/barbaric it is.
Very brave and very stupid.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2014, 10:42:02 AM
Very brave and very stupid.
I don't think it is stupid to try to help other people, even when risking one's life.
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 10:42:58 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2014, 10:42:02 AM
Very brave and very stupid.
I don't think it is stupid to try to help other people, even when risking one's life.
She wasn't just risking her life, though. She was pretty much certain to be caught and executed.
I admire her bravery & conviction, but I'm thinking she could have done more good had she lived longer.
Unlike some posters I don't blame the victim, I blame Islamotards.
Quote from: The Brain on September 26, 2014, 12:31:26 PM
Unlike some posters I don't blame the victim, I blame Islamotards.
:yes:
Reel him in. :lol:
Nobody is blaming the victim you dimwit.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2014, 12:41:03 PM
Reel him in. :lol:
Nobody is blaming the victim you dimwit.
Well you and derspiess are, in a sense.
Seriously, though, I think the West should adopt a zero tolerance policy for Islamotards. Your son/brother/uncle leaves to join the ISIS? Your entire family gets deported.
No we're not, in a sense.
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
Seriously, though, I think the West should adopt a zero tolerance policy for Islamotards. Your son/brother/uncle leaves to join the ISIS? Your entire family gets deported.
:huh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2014, 12:50:26 PM
No we're not, in a sense.
Not in any sense.
Well, maybe in a Polish sense but that's the same sense in which lancers charge tanks.
Quote from: Caliga on September 26, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
Seriously, though, I think the West should adopt a zero tolerance policy for Islamotards. Your son/brother/uncle leaves to join the ISIS? Your entire family gets deported.
:huh:
Sorry, I'm really mad. If I could press a button right now that would wipe all Islamists off the face of the Earth, I would do it in an instant.
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 01:03:13 PM
Sorry, I'm really mad. If I could press a button right now that would wipe all Islamists off the face of the Earth, I would do it in an instant.
The US DoS could make such a button. Should work as well as the reset button of 2009.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
The US DoS could make such a button. Should work as well as the reset button of 2009.
I'd prefer a button made by the US DoD.
That will be costly and the procurement process would take years.
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 01:03:13 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 26, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
Seriously, though, I think the West should adopt a zero tolerance policy for Islamotards. Your son/brother/uncle leaves to join the ISIS? Your entire family gets deported.
:huh:
Sorry, I'm really mad. If I could press a button right now that would wipe all Islamists off the face of the Earth, I would do it in an instant.
I think you should take a deep breath and imagine what the world would look like if Islam didn't exist. Still want to utterly destroy Islam?
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 01:03:13 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 26, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
Seriously, though, I think the West should adopt a zero tolerance policy for Islamotards. Your son/brother/uncle leaves to join the ISIS? Your entire family gets deported.
:huh:
Sorry, I'm really mad. If I could press a button right now that would wipe all Islamists off the face of the Earth, I would do it in an instant.
But Marty, the reason IS is barbarous is because they kill people simply because of their religion. Which is what you're (not seriously) proposing.
IS must be dealt with and they are committing numerous atrocities, but no use losing your head over it.
Quote from: The Brain on September 26, 2014, 01:24:00 PM
I think you should take a deep breath and imagine what the world would look like if Islam didn't exist. Still want to utterly destroy Islam?
:lol:
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 10:46:05 AM
She wasn't just risking her life, though. She was pretty much certain to be caught and executed.
I admire her bravery & conviction, but I'm thinking she could have done more good had she lived longer.
Well, duh! Most people could do more good if they lived longer!
PRAWND
Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2014, 01:28:09 PM
But Marty, the reason IS is barbarous is because they kill people simply because of their religion. Which is what you're (not seriously) proposing.
IS must be dealt with and they are committing numerous atrocities, but no use losing your head over it.
I don't think that wanting to press a button and eliminate all islamists is "losing your head." That's not killing anyone because of their religion. It's wiping off the face of the earth people who believe in the principles of Islamism, not all Muslims. It's like saying that you would like to wipe all racists off the face of the earth. I'd do that, too.
Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2014, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 01:03:13 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 26, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
Seriously, though, I think the West should adopt a zero tolerance policy for Islamotards. Your son/brother/uncle leaves to join the ISIS? Your entire family gets deported.
:huh:
Sorry, I'm really mad. If I could press a button right now that would wipe all Islamists off the face of the Earth, I would do it in an instant.
But Marty, the reason IS is barbarous is because they kill people simply because of their religion. Which is what you're (not seriously) proposing.
IS must be dealt with and they are committing numerous atrocities, but no use losing your head over it.
Depends on what the meaning of the word IS is.
Hard to resist the urges to go all Apocalypse Now on these fellas.
I'm willing to donate my lighter's gas to the Spanish Air Force so they can fly their birds. It'll probably boost their mission-capable rates by 100%
They still flying those Bf 109s?
Quote from: The Brain on September 26, 2014, 01:24:00 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 01:03:13 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 26, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
Seriously, though, I think the West should adopt a zero tolerance policy for Islamotards. Your son/brother/uncle leaves to join the ISIS? Your entire family gets deported.
:huh:
Sorry, I'm really mad. If I could press a button right now that would wipe all Islamists off the face of the Earth, I would do it in an instant.
I think you should take a deep breath and imagine what the world would look like if Islam didn't exist. Still want to utterly destroy Islam?
asap
Quote from: celedhring on September 26, 2014, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 01:42:14 PM
They still flying those Bf 109s?
Almost, AV-8Bs.
Hey, could be worse. If the Republicans had won the Civil War, you'd have Yak-38s :P
Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2014, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 01:03:13 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 26, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
Seriously, though, I think the West should adopt a zero tolerance policy for Islamotards. Your son/brother/uncle leaves to join the ISIS? Your entire family gets deported.
:huh:
Sorry, I'm really mad. If I could press a button right now that would wipe all Islamists off the face of the Earth, I would do it in an instant.
But Marty, the reason IS is barbarous is because they kill people simply because of their religion. Which is what you're (not seriously) proposing.
IS must be dealt with and they are committing numerous atrocities, but no use losing your head over it.
What grumbler said. I said "Islamists", not "Muslims".
Quote from: The Brain on September 26, 2014, 01:24:00 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 01:03:13 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 26, 2014, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
Seriously, though, I think the West should adopt a zero tolerance policy for Islamotards. Your son/brother/uncle leaves to join the ISIS? Your entire family gets deported.
:huh:
Sorry, I'm really mad. If I could press a button right now that would wipe all Islamists off the face of the Earth, I would do it in an instant.
I think you should take a deep breath and imagine what the world would look like if Islam didn't exist. Still want to utterly destroy Islam?
:lol:
Lawyer... :glare:
Imagine being tortured for five days and then executed. Jesus. Somehow I can't get this story out of my head.
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 26, 2014, 12:41:03 PM
Reel him in. :lol:
Nobody is blaming the victim you dimwit.
Well you and derspiess are, in a sense.
Seriously, though, I think the West should adopt a zero tolerance policy for Islamotards. Your son/brother/uncle leaves to join the ISIS? Your entire family gets deported.
Well the Israelis do blow up the houses of suicide bombers. That is most certainly not one of the many legal things the IDF does as part of it's occupation. The problem with this is that we can't actually deport them as much as we'd like. The vast majority of asylum seekers in norway which get residence do so despite being expelled at some point. The legal system just gives up trying to deport them and gives them residence on humanitarian grounds after the rejected asylum seeker first refused to leave and then did his best to sabotage the expulsion process. Not to mention places like Somalia not having a government which can receive them and places like ghana and others REFUSING to receive their own citizens expelled after making false asylum claims.
What are you going to do? Send them to Yemen on the grounds that they have terrorists in the family? Are you fucking insane?
Before the geneva conventions and hague conventions people like that would have been executed or imprisoned or tortured or all three then exiled. That said, we really do have a problem in applying laws, morale, ethics and conventions instituted with some assumptions on societies where those assumptions do not apply.
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 03:16:55 PM
Imagine being tortured for five days and then executed. Jesus. Somehow I can't get this story out of my head.
OK Kylie.
Quote from: Viking on September 26, 2014, 03:24:15 PM
What are you going to do? Send them to Yemen on the grounds that they have terrorists in the family? Are you fucking insane?
Yeah, what the hell? How could we find a person accountable for what their sibling or uncle chooses to do?
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2014, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: Viking on September 26, 2014, 03:24:15 PM
What are you going to do? Send them to Yemen on the grounds that they have terrorists in the family? Are you fucking insane?
Yeah, what the hell? How could we find a person accountable for what their sibling or uncle chooses to do?
Well, I was being a bit hyperbolic, but I think we need to address the problem of indifference to extremism among the Muslim communities in the West.
What about retitling this thread so we can have a general one to cover all the undoubted further outrages carried out by this group and fellow travelers?
Well, I guess merge it with the ISIS one and just name it something adequate, e.g. "All fucking Islamotards must fucking hang".
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2014, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: Viking on September 26, 2014, 03:24:15 PM
What are you going to do? Send them to Yemen on the grounds that they have terrorists in the family? Are you fucking insane?
Yeah, what the hell? How could we find a person accountable for what their sibling or uncle chooses to do?
Well, I was being a bit hyperbolic, but I think we need to address the problem of indifference to extremism among the Muslim communities in the West.
I don't actually know anyone who is indifferent to extremism among Muslim communities.
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 03:38:11 PM
Well, I guess merge it with the ISIS one and just name it something adequate, e.g. "All fucking Islamotards must fucking hang".
Wait mongers doesn't get attitude, just me? <_<
I don't see the kind of protests in the streets against atrocities by ISIS as there were about actions by Israel.
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 03:38:11 PM
Well, I guess merge it with the ISIS one and just name it something adequate, e.g. "All fucking Islamotards must fucking hang".
Maybe re-title this one something similar, but a little bit more polite.
And keep the other as it is, one for discussing the military campaign and the widening war in Iraq/Syria.
Oh and just to give this thread a boost, what about this.
A 70 year old British muslim with mental health issues, is on death row in Pakistan, awaiting his appeal against an blasphemy conviction. ....
He's just been shot and seriously injured by...
one of the Pakistani prison officers/guards.
He's now been transfered to a hospital, where the inadequate security and the Pakistan media broadcasting his location, endangers his life still further.
QuoteThe family of a Scottish grandfather wounded by a prison guard in Pakistan have said they fear further attempts on his life.
Muhammad Asghar, 70, was in custody pending an appeal against a death sentence passed for blasphemy when he was shot in the back.
His daughter Jasmine Rana said it was her "worst nightmare come true".
The family solicitor said Mr Asghar was "stable" in hospital but his mental health had deteriorated.
A prison guard Mohammad Yousuf appeared in court in Rawalpindi on Friday accused of the shooting and was remanded in custody.
A police official told BBC News the guard had worked at the jail for about a year and appeared to hold strong religious views.
Mr Asghar, a successful Edinburgh businessman with a history of mental illness, including a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia, returned to live in Pakistan in 2010.
He was later arrested for writing several letters claiming to be a prophet and convicted of blasphemy.
At a news conference in Glasgow, solicitor Aamer Anwar said Mr Asghar was lying in bed in his prison cell in Rawalpindi jail on Thursday morning when he heard a commotion.
.....
Full article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-29373514 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-29373514)
Incidentally I don't think his mental health issues are important, as in only someone insane would renounce/criticize Islam, but that his condition has deteriorated under the stress and no fully sane person would have written what he did, because you'd know it's a very dangerous thing to do in such a 'society'
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 03:45:13 PM
I don't see the kind of protests in the streets against atrocities by ISIS as there were about actions by Israel.
And you are taking that as people are less outraged about ISIS than Israel? :huh:
I take it to be that all sane people are against ISIS and that the US is actually taking steps against ISIS. Meanwhile you've a lot of crazies who are upset by Israel who then get angrier that US considers Israel is an ally and don't see US taking any steps to stop Israel from acting how it does.
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2014, 03:51:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2014, 03:45:13 PM
I don't see the kind of protests in the streets against atrocities by ISIS as there were about actions by Israel.
And you are taking that as people are less outraged about ISIS than Israel? :huh:
I take it to be that all sane people are against ISIS and that the US is actually taking steps against ISIS. Meanwhile you've a lot of crazies who are upset by Israel who then get angrier that US considers Israel is an ally and don't see US taking any steps to stop Israel from acting how it does.
Yeah, people are in the streets because they think going into the streets will affect policy. No one believes that ISIS will respond to public demonstrations in London.