And yet nothing will change. :(
http://news.yahoo.com/massive-york-march-aims-focus-worlds-eyes-climate-111853341.html;_ylt=AwrTWf11ax9U5XYAcB_QtDMD
QuoteNew York climate march draws hundreds of thousands
By Barbara Goldberg and Natasja Sheriff 8 hours ago
NEW YORK (Reuters) - An international day of action on climate change brought hundreds of thousands of people onto the streets of New York City on Sunday, easily exceeding organizers' hopes for the largest protest on the issue in history.
Organizers estimated that some 310,000 people, including United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, former U.S. Vice President Al Gore, actor Leonardo DiCaprio and elected officials from the United States and abroad joined the People's Climate March, ahead of Tuesday's United Nations hosted summit in the city to discuss reducing carbon emissions that threaten the environment.
The New York rally, the largest single protest ever held on the topic of climate change, followed similar events in 166 countries including Britain, France, Afghanistan and Bulgaria.
"The march numbers are beating our wildest expectations," said Ricken Patel, executive director of activist group Avaaz, which organized the march. "In 2,500 marches from Paris to Bogota, we've blown past expected numbers. Climate change is not a green issue anymore, it's an everybody issue."
A crowd, including U.S. senators Bernard Sanders, an independent from Vermont and Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, marched along the city's Central Park, through midtown Manhattan to Times Square, where they stopped for a moment of silence at 12:58 p.m. (1658 GMT).
Ban, wearing a T-shirt that read "I'm for climate action" marched arm-in-arm with British primatologist Jane Goodall and French Ecology Minister Segolene Royal.
"This is the planet where our subsequent generations will live," Ban told reporters. "There is no 'Plan B,' because we do not have 'Planet B.'"
The march resounding with drums, horns and chants that had echoed off skyscrapers easily dwarfed the raucous 2009 demonstration on climate change in Copenhagen, which drew tens of thousands of people resulted in the detention of 2,000 protesters.
A New York Police Department spokeswoman said there had been no arrests reported as of 3 p.m. ET (1900 GMT) and declined to comment on the size of the crowd.
Organizers said another 270,000 people had participated in related events outside New York.
The march comes days after the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported that August 2014 was the warmest on record, some 1.35 degrees Fahrenheit (0.75 C) above the 20th century global average of 60.1 F (15.6 C).
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio on Sunday unveiled a new plan for the city to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent from 2005 levels by 2050.
All 3,000 major city-owned buildings would be retrofitted with energy saving heating, cooling and light systems by then, he said, though meeting the commitment will also require significant investments by private landlords.
DiCaprio marched towards the front of the group, with members of an Ecuadorean tribe who have fought a years-long legal battle with Chevron Corp over Amazon pollution.
"This is the most important issue of our time," DiCaprio said. "I'm incredibly proud to be here."
(Additional reporting by Louis Charbonneau at the United Nations and Kylie MacLellan in London; Editing by Scott Malone, Bill Trott, William Hardy, Diane Craft and Marguerita Choy)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 21, 2014, 11:05:04 PM
And yet nothing will change. :(
Sure it will Tim. Next year I'll be adding an Edelbrock fuel injection system to the Mirada. If I like it, I may add one to the R/T. That will leave only one carbureted vehicle in the stable.
Were they marching without wearing or using products made from materials or with procedures affecting the climate?
Quote from: Tamas on September 23, 2014, 11:01:52 AM
Were they marching without wearing or using products made from materials or with procedures affecting the climate?
I hope not. That is the kind of irrational puritanical nonsense that makes the environmental movement loathsome. We are all not going to go live in caves and wear clothes handspun from the fibers of fallen leaves.
Quote from: Tamas on September 23, 2014, 11:01:52 AM
Were they marching without wearing or using products made from materials or with procedures affecting the climate?
Did you see the pictures of the mess they left behind? The pile of discarded Starbucks cups alone was epic.
If this march had happened in 1980 those would have been ozone destroying Styrofoam cups. See? Progress and sustainability.
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2014, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 23, 2014, 11:01:52 AM
Were they marching without wearing or using products made from materials or with procedures affecting the climate?
Did you see the pictures of the mess they left behind? The pile of discarded Starbucks cups alone was epic.
After champagne socialists now latte macchiato environmentalists?
Quote from: Valmy on September 23, 2014, 11:55:29 AM
Progress and sustainability.
And I'm out to get it.
I know some of you ain't with it...Quote from: Syt on September 23, 2014, 12:25:47 PM
After champagne socialists now latte macchiato environmentalists?
Word from the honorable Howard Shultz,
Know who you are to be green, BOY!
QuoteNew York City Mayor Bill de Blasio on Sunday unveiled a new plan for the city to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent from 2005 levels by 2050.
What's the rush Bill? :lol:
Quote from: Syt on September 23, 2014, 12:25:47 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2014, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 23, 2014, 11:01:52 AM
Were they marching without wearing or using products made from materials or with procedures affecting the climate?
Did you see the pictures of the mess they left behind? The pile of discarded Starbucks cups alone was epic.
After champagne socialists now latte macchiato environmentalists?
Real champagne socialists?
Sparkling wine Social Democrats :contract:
Quote from: Valmy on September 23, 2014, 11:13:43 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 23, 2014, 11:01:52 AM
Were they marching without wearing or using products made from materials or with procedures affecting the climate?
I hope not. That is the kind of irrational puritanical nonsense that makes the environmental movement loathsome. We are all not going to go live in caves and wear clothes handspun from the fibers of fallen leaves.
Though I must say there's enough straw in this post to make a good start at traditional cob house. :bowler:
Quote from: mongers on September 23, 2014, 01:16:58 PM
Though I must say there's enough straw in this post to make a good start at traditional cob house. :bowler:
I don't think so. It just drives me nuts when they go out and protest nuke plants and wind farms and all that. Um the alternative is burn coal. Environmentalists are not great allies to those of us who devote our lives to sustainable energy, which I find frustrating.
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2014, 11:54:01 AM
Did you see the pictures of the mess they left behind? The pile of discarded Starbucks cups alone was epic.
Those were the iPhone 6 assholes.
What a bunch of commies and traitors.
Ask them anything not climate related and you'll see who these people really are.
The climate movement has become cover for all the roaches in this world.
Quote from: Siege on September 24, 2014, 06:20:43 AM
What a bunch of commies and traitors.
Sorry man I just think we should do energy better. Not sure why that means I am in favor of Communism.
I feel sad that no one asked if I was in attendance. :(
Quote from: garbon on September 24, 2014, 09:58:19 PM
I feel sad that no one asked if I was in attendance. :(
Were you in attendance? :hmm:
That would seem out of character.
:(
Hey I take mass transit, I drive a hybrid.
Quote from: derspiess on September 23, 2014, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 23, 2014, 11:01:52 AM
Were they marching without wearing or using products made from materials or with procedures affecting the climate?
Did you see the pictures of the mess they left behind? The pile of discarded Starbucks cups alone was epic.
that was my first thought when I heard about it on the radio. If they wanted to support the environment they should have stayed at home
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 25, 2014, 05:24:25 AM
that was my first thought when I heard about it on the radio. If they wanted to support the environment they should have stayed at home
No, the celebs need to take their private jets out there so they can tell me how I should minimize my carbon footprint. And hey, they're preaching to the choir. I put the phonebook in recycling instead of the garbage this week :showoff:
Seriously, who still uses a phonebook these days?? Mine goes straight to the recycle bin.
Me. Power goes out, I got a backup.
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2014, 10:24:14 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 25, 2014, 05:24:25 AM
that was my first thought when I heard about it on the radio. If they wanted to support the environment they should have stayed at home
No, the celebs need to take their private jets out there so they can tell me how I should minimize my carbon footprint. And hey, they're preaching to the choir. I put the phonebook in recycling instead of the garbage this week :showoff:
Seriously, who still uses a phonebook these days?? Mine goes straight to the recycle bin.
I really do wish they'd stop printing those. Every apt I've lived in just has them chilling in lobby where no one takes them until one day, I presume they are thrown in the recycling.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 25, 2014, 10:31:12 AM
Me. Power goes out, I got a backup.
Or if you run out of tp.
Not at the rate I buy TP.
Ugh I'm gonna have to move by 2070 when Alaska has Florida like climate.
Quote from: derspiess on September 25, 2014, 10:24:14 AM
Seriously, who still uses a phonebook these days??
:whistle:
Why should I walk all the way to the computer to look up a business, when the phone book is right there? It's Chinese hack-proof technology.
I don't know why you would need to walk all the way to get to a computer either. Nor why a phone book would be in easier reach of you.
Because I don't walk around the house with my cell phone stapled to my hip like the rest of you iLemmings. And the phone book is next to the phone, on the end table next to where I would be sitting, just like in every sitcom of the 1970s. Fuck.
Quote from: katmai on September 25, 2014, 07:45:32 PM
Ugh I'm gonna have to move by 2070 when Alaska has Florida like climate.
I don't think Anchorage will up and move to Point Barrow. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2014, 10:16:19 PM
Because I don't walk around the house with my cell phone stapled to my hip like the rest of you iLemmings. And the phone book is next to the phone, on the end table next to where I would be sitting, just like in every sitcom of the 1970s. Fuck.
Oh just die already. :rolleyes:
Or alternatively - you aren't really as old as you like to pretend to be.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2014, 10:16:19 PM
Because I don't walk around the house with my cell phone stapled to my hip like the rest of you iLemmings. And the phone book is next to the phone, on the end table next to where I would be sitting, just like in every sitcom of the 1970s. Fuck.
Right next to the TV Guide? :P
If the selling point for keeping the phone book in the house is that every once in a while you can save yourself from walking 20 feet, that's not very convincing. :hmm:
Quote from: garbon on September 25, 2014, 10:18:08 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2014, 10:16:19 PM
Because I don't walk around the house with my cell phone stapled to my hip like the rest of you iLemmings. And the phone book is next to the phone, on the end table next to where I would be sitting, just like in every sitcom of the 1970s. Fuck.
Oh just die already. :rolleyes:
Just gotta let nature take its course. :P
QuoteOr alternatively - you aren't really as old as you like to pretend to be.
Certain practices from 1981 are just as valid and as resilient today. Like keeping the phone book next to the phone for quick reference, as opposed to looking all over the place for 5 minutes, wondering where I put my cellphone. :lol:
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 25, 2014, 10:18:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2014, 10:16:19 PM
Because I don't walk around the house with my cell phone stapled to my hip like the rest of you iLemmings. And the phone book is next to the phone, on the end table next to where I would be sitting, just like in every sitcom of the 1970s. Fuck.
Right next to the TV Guide? :P
Oh, those fuckers always lied. :mad: In TiVo we trust.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 25, 2014, 10:20:35 PM
If the selling point for keeping the phone book in the house is that every once in a while you can save yourself from walking 20 feet, that's not very convincing. :hmm:
Then get rid of your television remote control, Captain Aerobics.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2014, 10:16:19 PM
Because I don't walk around the house with my cell phone stapled to my hip like the rest of you iLemmings. And the phone book is next to the phone, on the end table next to where I would be sitting, just like in every sitcom of the 1970s. Fuck.
:lol: And you say I'm stuck in the past.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
Certain practices from 1981 are just as valid and as resilient today. Like keeping the phone book next to the phone for quick reference, as opposed to looking all over the place for 5 minutes, wondering where I put my cellphone. :lol:
I'd have more respect if you still used a rotary dial phone.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
Certain practices from 1981 are just as valid and as resilient today. Like keeping the phone book next to the phone for quick reference, as opposed to looking all over the place for 5 minutes, wondering where I put my cellphone. :lol:
I'd have more respect if you still used a rotary dial phone.
I thought he said he did. :unsure:
Surely he couldn't have been serious.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 10:19:33 AM
Surely he couldn't have been serious.
Stop calling me Shirley. :mad:
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 25, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
Certain practices from 1981 are just as valid and as resilient today. Like keeping the phone book next to the phone for quick reference, as opposed to looking all over the place for 5 minutes, wondering where I put my cellphone. :lol:
I'd have more respect if you still used a rotary dial phone.
I got rid of an old rotary dial phone just a couple of years ago. It was in the cellar, not used much. It really seemed like quite a throwback though, compared to the other phones in the house.
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 10:19:33 AM
Surely he couldn't have been serious.
I own two, and don't call me Shirley, either.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2014, 10:43:40 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 10:19:33 AM
Surely he couldn't have been serious.
I own two, and don't call me Shirley, either.
You own them, but do you use them?
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Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 10:19:33 AM
Surely he couldn't have been serious.
Stop calling me Shirley. :mad:
Whoo! Nice shot, Maverick!
Beeb, you're supposed to say "Sweet setup, Iceman." :angry:
Unlike you, I can't quote from Top Gun verbatim. :(
Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
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Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2014, 10:23:29 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 10:19:33 AM
Surely he couldn't have been serious.
Stop calling me Shirley. :mad:
Whoo! Nice shot, Maverick!
Beeb, you're supposed to say "Sweet setup, Iceman." :angry:
Unlike you, I can't quote from Top Gun verbatim. :(
IT'S ALSO IN MEET THE PARENTS
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2014, 10:43:40 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 10:19:33 AM
Surely he couldn't have been serious.
I own two, and don't call me Shirley, either.
You own them, but do you use them?
You know damned well I live with my parents and everything is in storage, you insensitive cocksucker.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2014, 11:06:20 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 10:50:36 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2014, 10:43:40 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 26, 2014, 10:19:33 AM
Surely he couldn't have been serious.
I own two, and don't call me Shirley, either.
You own them, but do you use them?
You know damned well I live with my parents and everything is in storage, you insensitive cocksucker.
I know that. Just kind of surprised there's nowhere to plug in your phone.
It's not my home.
I'm not that keen on Green issue marches, after all what might be the carbon footprint from going to the event; a surprisingly large number will drive to it.
Generally better to stay at home and do something practical instead.
Quote from: Valmy on September 23, 2014, 11:05:06 PM
I don't think so. It just drives me nuts when they go out and protest nuke plants and wind farms and all that. Um the alternative is burn coal. Environmentalists are not great allies to those of us who devote our lives to sustainable energy, which I find frustrating.
I think this may be another part of the American left being so much more annoying than the rest of the world's (see privilege, vaccination dodgers and trigger warning). In the UK all environmentalists love wind farms and most have become pro-nuclear.
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 26, 2014, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 23, 2014, 11:05:06 PM
I don't think so. It just drives me nuts when they go out and protest nuke plants and wind farms and all that. Um the alternative is burn coal. Environmentalists are not great allies to those of us who devote our lives to sustainable energy, which I find frustrating.
I think this may be another part of the American left being so much more annoying than the rest of the world's (see privilege, vaccination dodgers and trigger warning). In the UK all environmentalists love wind farms and most have become pro-nuclear.
This is wrong, if going by the 3 out of each 4 green party people I spoke with the other weekend.
Oh and fracking is BigOil/Mordor's Nine abroad again.
The Green Party are too invested, but even then my friends who are in the green movement (if not party) have all shifted on nuclear because of fracking and the fact that we're not running out of oil anymore. But George Monbiot for example had a very big nuclear conversion recently and lots take his word very seriously.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2014, 02:30:08 PM
It's not my home.
So don't forget it
It's just a silly phase I'm going through
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 26, 2014, 06:42:21 PM
The Green Party are too invested, but even then my friends who are in the green movement (if not party) have all shifted on nuclear because of fracking and the fact that we're not running out of oil anymore. But George Monbiot for example had a very big nuclear conversion recently and lots take his word very seriously.
Which is why I now tend to avoid them.
Though I think some of the anti-ism has turned to make fracking the big shibboleth, pity really as there might be a short term role for it in moving away from coal and also ensuring more of the environmental impact of high energy dependency is met or dealt with nearer to home.
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2014, 07:08:44 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 26, 2014, 06:42:21 PM
The Green Party are too invested, but even then my friends who are in the green movement (if not party) have all shifted on nuclear because of fracking and the fact that we're not running out of oil anymore. But George Monbiot for example had a very big nuclear conversion recently and lots take his word very seriously.
Which is why I now tend to avoid them.
Though I think some of the anti-ism has turned to make fracking the big shibboleth, pity really as there might be a short term role for it in moving away from coal and also ensuring more of the environmental impact of high energy dependency is met or dealt with nearer to home.
But you are exploding stuff underground man. That is like new and never tried
Quote from: mongers on September 26, 2014, 07:08:44 PM
Though I think some of the anti-ism has turned to make fracking the big shibboleth, pity really as there might be a short term role for it in moving away from coal and also ensuring more of the environmental impact of high energy dependency is met or dealt with nearer to home.
The answer is a gas and nuclear mix in the medium term with growing use on renewables afterwards.
One of the trouble with fracking from an environmentalist perspective is that while we're nowhere near 'peak oil'. We're swimming in the stuff now. So their argument for the last 20 years no longer works and they need something else, which is more difficult.
Incidentally there are issues with fracking, I've a friend in the oil industry who says the way it's been done and the safety and environmental standards in the US are shocking which probably helps stoke fears (he compared it to the early days of the oil industry), but I think the way it'd be done in Europe would cause minimal issues for anyone.