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Definitely Russian aggression.  Also most dangerous to Americans, not just because of nuclear weapons, but also because of cyber weapons.

Damn robots.

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Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2014, 02:31:31 PM
Definitely Russian aggression.  Also most dangerous to Americans, not just because of nuclear weapons, but also because of cyber weapons.
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You're full of more shit than a Christmas goose.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 28, 2014, 03:33:45 PM

Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2014, 02:31:31 PM
Definitely Russian aggression.  Also most dangerous to Americans, not just because of nuclear weapons, but also because of cyber weapons.
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You're full of more shit than a Christmas goose.

One would hope the shit got cleaned out before the bird got cooked. :unsure:

Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2014, 03:45:38 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 28, 2014, 03:33:45 PM

Quote from: DGuller on August 28, 2014, 02:31:31 PM
Definitely Russian aggression.  Also most dangerous to Americans, not just because of nuclear weapons, but also because of cyber weapons.
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You're full of more shit than a Christmas goose.

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EU youth unemployment

russia's just going through a phase. more importantly, i hope the same is true of the EU! i don't know enough about the EU to gauge its future stability.

Hard to say. The situation with ISIS is bound to go pear shaped, while Russia while likely not go further than E. Ukraine, but obviously the consequences of the later situation getting out of hand are far worse.

Ebola, I expect some pretty apocalyptic scenes in West Africa, but it probably won't spread out of Africa, and if it does only to similarly poverty stricken parts of the world. So bad on a human scale, but not directly threatening to the West.

The masses voting ourselves more welfare. 

Quote from: Monoriu on August 28, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
The masses voting ourselves more welfare.

While trimming government paychecks. :contract:

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 28, 2014, 08:59:59 PM
While trimming government paychecks. :contract:

Right, why should private sector employees get all the stagnant wages?  That's not fair.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 28, 2014, 02:29:50 PM
:hmm:

Whoa, all of them, me thinks.
In order of importance, in my non-humble opinion:


1- Pan-Islamic movements/Islamic fundamentalism
2- China's continuing growth
3- Russian aggression
4- Jaron chatting up Mormon girls
5- Ebola
6- Summat to do with European monetary policy/future of EU
7- Beginning of football season
8- Wall Street bankers not up against wall

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 28, 2014, 02:29:50 PM
:hmm:

The Russian thing.

Pan islamism can be stalled.  Aerial bombardments from US + ground attacks from Syria, Irak and Kurdistan, what's left of their armies.

Russia however, they're on the roll, and they're trying to use the islamist front to recreate their empire, and that is worrysome.

http://blogs.wsj.com/atwork/2014/08/28/the-next-generation-will-have-it-worse-most-americans-say/?mod=e2tw (http://blogs.wsj.com/atwork/2014/08/28/the-next-generation-will-have-it-worse-most-americans-say/?mod=e2tw)

You young'uns don't remember, but there was once a Cold War against Russia and the West won. The West can win again without breaking a SWAT.

Quote from: The Brain on August 29, 2014, 04:57:20 PM
You young'uns don't remember, but there was once a Cold War against Russia and the West won. The West can win again without breaking a SWAT.

No shit.  So many Europeans freaking out over Russia doing what Russia does.
Relax, people.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2014, 05:22:41 PM

Quote from: The Brain on August 29, 2014, 04:57:20 PM
You young'uns don't remember, but there was once a Cold War against Russia and the West won. The West can win again without breaking a SWAT.

No shit.  So many Europeans freaking out over Russia doing what Russia does.
Relax, people.

You're assuming this stops in Ukraine.  I'm not so sure that's the final objective.

Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2014, 05:50:17 PM
You're assuming this stops in Ukraine.  I'm not so sure that's the final objective.

And where's it going to go?  NATO?  That's nukular war.

QuoteWhat's the most worrisome/important thing going on in the world right now?

Burger King discontinued their crinkle fries.  :mad:

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2014, 06:13:21 PM

Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2014, 05:50:17 PM
You're assuming this stops in Ukraine.  I'm not so sure that's the final objective.

And where's it going to go?  NATO?  That's nukular war.

Is it?  Vlad may not be that convinced, and whether he's mistaken or not, that's a big problem.  I know you have your hard-on on China, but even from that angle, Russia's actions are going to strengthen it further.  Russia may not be in any easy alliance with China, but it sure is a hell of a lot easier than any alliance with the West any time soon.

Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2014, 06:31:21 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2014, 06:13:21 PM

Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2014, 05:50:17 PM
You're assuming this stops in Ukraine.  I'm not so sure that's the final objective.

And where's it going to go?  NATO?  That's nukular war.

Is it? 

Yup.

QuoteVlad may not be that convinced, and whether he's mistaken or not, that's a big problem.

The man's ex-KGB.  He may be the best mobster since Vito Corelone, but he's not stupid.  He knows exactly what the endgame is in a conflict with NATO.

QuoteI know you have your hard-on on China, but even from that angle, Russia's actions are going to strengthen it further.  Russia may not be in any easy alliance with China, but it sure is a hell of a lot easier than any alliance with the West any time soon.

Russia's entire strategic outlook is predicated upon two things:  the rectification of its former Soviet sphere of influence and the acquisition, retention and exploitation of natural resources in the near-home sphere--neither of which possess the strategic, long-term and direct threat to the United States as much as a hegemonic China (whose Party and military leadership is sucking down Mahan and Morgenthau like they're going out of style) in the most important part of the world, the Pacific Rim.  Russia is no longer in the business of challenging the United States on the global stage.  Obstructionist in the UN?  Selling arms to naughty pipples?  Yup.  But that makes them a global nuisance, not a global threat. 

Now, does Russia pose a threat to Europe?  Economically yes, but that was avoidable.  All those Euroweenies willfully went all in on their energy security with Russia, knowing full well what kind of man Putin was and the historical nature of Russia.  But that's their fucking bed, not ours.   You do business with organized crime, you deal with the consequences.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2014, 07:22:14 PM

Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2014, 06:31:21 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2014, 06:13:21 PM

Quote from: DGuller on August 29, 2014, 05:50:17 PM
You're assuming this stops in Ukraine.  I'm not so sure that's the final objective.

And where's it going to go?  NATO?  That's nukular war.

Is it? 

Yup.

QuoteVlad may not be that convinced, and whether he's mistaken or not, that's a big problem.

The man's ex-KGB.  He may be the best mobster since Vito Corelone, but he's not stupid.  He knows exactly what the endgame is in a conflict with NATO.

Agreed.  He's messing with the Ukraine because they are not in NATO and he know's the West is too impotent to do anything substantial about it.  Had to move now or risk Ukraine sneaking into NATO if they wait and it becomes too late.

Moldova could be a second step, but there's a lot of geography to cover before getting there, and I don't think Putin expects to pull off a total takeover of Ukraine.  Just a healthy nibble.

And with time, when thing settle down, we'll probably concede the Crimea as a fait accompli.  And the West pretty much has already. 

Edit: Hell, the shooting down of a passenger plane has pretty much lost it's 15 minutes of media fame already...that's how far we've sunk. 

The NATO of 1985 is not the same NATO we have today.  I'm not sure our European friends would be willing to lose everything for the sake of Latvia.  I think Putin senses it as well.  I think he can split NATO and dominate Europe. 

And if China is reading up on Mahan, then we don't need to worry about them that much.

Quote from: Razgovory on August 29, 2014, 07:39:17 PM
The NATO of 1985 is not the same NATO we have today.  I'm not sure our European friends would be willing to lose everything for the sake of Latvia.  I think Putin senses it as well.  I think he can split NATO and dominate Europe. 

Oh, bullshit.  He attacks NATO, and the ball goes up fast.  Watching Moscow getting glassed for Latvia is not something even filthy ass Russians want.

QuoteAnd if China is reading up on Mahan, then we don't need to worry about them that much.

They said that about the Kaiser, too.  Keep thinking that shit.

Quote from: Razgovory on August 29, 2014, 07:39:17 PM
The NATO of 1985 is not the same NATO we have today.  I'm not sure our European friends would be willing to lose everything for the sake of Latvia.  I think Putin senses it as well.  I think he can split NATO and dominate Europe. 

And if China is reading up on Mahan, then we don't need to worry about them that much.

Our friends may not, but we'd have to.  If we let them roll over even a Baltic member state, we might as well just toss the alliance.

Besides, even if most of Europe sits this one out, I think we could count on 38 million screamin' Poles.

Fuck yeah.  There's a lotta Hussars out there, just itching for payback.

I look forward to hearing about it when Marty tackles a Russian soldier.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2014, 07:42:18 PM

Quote from: Razgovory on August 29, 2014, 07:39:17 PM
The NATO of 1985 is not the same NATO we have today.  I'm not sure our European friends would be willing to lose everything for the sake of Latvia.  I think Putin senses it as well.  I think he can split NATO and dominate Europe. 

Oh, bullshit.  He attacks NATO, and the ball goes up fast.  Watching Moscow getting glassed for Latvia is not something even filthy ass Russians want.

QuoteAnd if China is reading up on Mahan, then we don't need to worry about them that much.

They said that about the Kaiser, too.  Keep thinking that shit.

He doesn't have to directly attack Latvia.  He can ship weapons in to Ethnic Russians.  If he muddies the water  NATO could be split on how to respond, a split like that could destroy the alliance leaving Baltic open to invasion.

If the Chinese want to build a bunch of battleships and keep them in port as a fleet in being, they are welcome to it.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2014, 07:42:18 PM
Oh, bullshit.  He attacks NATO, and the ball goes up fast.  Watching Moscow getting glassed for Latvia is not something even filthy ass Russians want.

Oh, bullshit.  It's not like Russia is not going to fire back.  Nuclear weapons are the ultimate game of chicken.  In such games, credibly crazy actors are at an advantage, and those perceived to be indecisive are at a severe disadvantage.  Until we have a Doomsday device that triggers even on covert invasions of NATO countries, there will always be some question mark over where our red line really is.

DG's red line: the neareast blueberry farm

Eurotrash and their hang ups with Russians.  :rolleyes:

You guys need a new hobby, like Jews or something.

Been there, burned that.

Summat to do with European monetary policy/future of EU

A weak EU will enable further Russian aggression and Islamist expansion. And ebola can easily spread to Europe's borders.

Quote from: Razgovory on August 29, 2014, 07:56:29 PM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 29, 2014, 07:42:18 PM

Quote from: Razgovory on August 29, 2014, 07:39:17 PM
The NATO of 1985 is not the same NATO we have today.  I'm not sure our European friends would be willing to lose everything for the sake of Latvia.  I think Putin senses it as well.  I think he can split NATO and dominate Europe. 

Oh, bullshit.  He attacks NATO, and the ball goes up fast.  Watching Moscow getting glassed for Latvia is not something even filthy ass Russians want.

QuoteAnd if China is reading up on Mahan, then we don't need to worry about them that much.

They said that about the Kaiser, too.  Keep thinking that shit.

He doesn't have to directly attack Latvia.  He can ship weapons in to Ethnic Russians.  If he muddies the water  NATO could be split on how to respond, a split like that could destroy the alliance leaving Baltic open to invasion.

If the Chinese want to build a bunch of battleships and keep them in port as a fleet in being, they are welcome to it.

So the old salami tactics then.