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Title: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Grey Fox on June 04, 2014, 09:32:39 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/3-rcmp-officers-dead-2-wounded-in-moncton-shooting-1.2665359

QuoteThe New Brunswick RCMP have confirmed that three officers have been killed and two have been wounded in a shooting in Moncton, N.B.

A police manhunt is still underway for Justin Bourque, 24, after at least two people were shot. The RCMP say Bourque is considered "armed and dangerous."

"There is an active shooter in the Moncton area. We're asking residents to stay in their homes and lock their doors," said Rogers-Marsh.



At 10:05 p.m. AT RCMP said the shooter was near the Costco.

The Horizon Health Network has confirmed on Twitter that the Moncton Hospital has received two patients with gunshot wounds. The hospital is restricting visitors to those with "critically ill family members."

The RCMP are advising people in the Hildegard Drive and Ryan Road area to stay inside "due to an ongoing shooting in the area."

The RCMP tweeted at 9:35 p.m. that the shooter is believed to be in the woods near Pinehurst Park.

Motorists were warned to avoid the Plaza Boulevard area.

Parts of Wheeler Boulevard are cordoned off and traffic on Mountain Road is backed up.

A police helicopter is flying in the area.

There is a picture of the shooter on the linked page.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Ideologue on June 04, 2014, 09:34:15 PM
But did he leave a 140 page manifesto about hating cops?  If not, not interested.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Grey Fox on June 04, 2014, 09:42:46 PM
Dude is still on the loose.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Ideologue on June 04, 2014, 09:46:10 PM
He should've published a pamphlet and left it at the scene.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Monoriu on June 04, 2014, 09:52:01 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 04, 2014, 09:46:10 PM
He should've published a pamphlet and left it at the scene.

How do you know he didn't?
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Ideologue on June 04, 2014, 09:54:10 PM
Because I forgot to pick it up from Kinko's.

OH FU
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Razgovory on June 04, 2014, 10:21:48 PM
He looks like Rambo.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 04, 2014, 10:27:08 PM
How would the registry stopped this?

The rifle he has isn't an "assault rifle" or anything special.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 04, 2014, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 04, 2014, 10:27:08 PM
How would the registry stopped this?

Seedy alluded to it in a different thread.

If a guy's acting a little nutty, then he goes and buys a gun, you can cross reference the sale and the nuttiness.  Then, presumably, you take the gun back or your throw him in the skull ranch.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 04, 2014, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 04, 2014, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 04, 2014, 10:27:08 PM
How would the registry stopped this?

Seedy alluded to it in a different thread.

If a guy's acting a little nutty, then he goes and buys a gun, you can cross reference the sale and the nuttiness.  Then, presumably, you take the gun back or your throw him in the skull ranch.
Do we know that the gun was recently purchased? He could have had that gun for years, well before the nuttiness set in. Furthermore, his nuttiness may not have been known to the authorities.

Anyways, my question was directed to this incident in specific. I acknowledge that in the long run such a system would prevent some shootings.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Razgovory on June 04, 2014, 10:59:20 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 04, 2014, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 04, 2014, 10:27:08 PM
How would the registry stopped this?

Seedy alluded to it in a different thread.

If a guy's acting a little nutty, then he goes and buys a gun, you can cross reference the sale and the nuttiness.  Then, presumably, you take the gun back or your throw him in the skull ranch.

Is there actually a law to do that?  The legislature in Missouri was furious when the Governor of Missouri tried to create such an index.  They've threatened to impeach him over it.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Barrister on June 04, 2014, 11:20:01 PM
GF's title is ridiculous.  Canada had a long gun registry, it was abolished a couple years ago after spending a couple billion dollars to no particular effect.  There's no reason to think a gun registry would have made any difference in this situation.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: sbr on June 04, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
At least it was just cops that got shot.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Malthus on June 05, 2014, 07:39:13 AM
Quote from: sbr on June 04, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
At least it was just cops that got shot.

CdM incomming in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 05, 2014, 07:41:52 AM
Reaction to the shooting was caught on video. These folks are pretty brave/stupid to be watching that going on like that on.   

http://o.canada.com/news/national/moncton-shooting-stunning-video-of-neighbours-seeing-shooting-of-police-a-chilling-night-captured-on-social-media
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: 11B4V on June 05, 2014, 10:07:01 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 04, 2014, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 04, 2014, 10:27:08 PM
How would the registry stopped this?

Seedy alluded to it in a different thread.

If a guy's acting a little nutty, then he goes and buys a gun, you can cross reference the sale and the nuttiness.  Then, presumably, you take the gun back or your throw him in the skull ranch.

Define nutty. Who makes that determination? How much nutty is too nutty?
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2014, 11:01:37 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 05, 2014, 07:39:13 AM
Quote from: sbr on June 04, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
At least it was just cops that got shot.

CdM incomming in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

We all know sbr is a Martinus cunt clone.  No surprises there.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Barrister on June 05, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: sbr on June 04, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
At least it was just cops that got shot.

Fuck you.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 05, 2014, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 05, 2014, 10:07:01 AM
Define nutty. Who makes that determination? How much nutty is too nutty?

Beats the hell out of me.  Ask Seedy.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Grey Fox on June 05, 2014, 01:22:43 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 05, 2014, 10:07:01 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 04, 2014, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 04, 2014, 10:27:08 PM
How would the registry stopped this?

Seedy alluded to it in a different thread.

If a guy's acting a little nutty, then he goes and buys a gun, you can cross reference the sale and the nuttiness.  Then, presumably, you take the gun back or your throw him in the skull ranch.

Define nutty. Who makes that determination? How much nutty is too nutty?

Death Panels.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: merithyn on June 05, 2014, 02:50:26 PM
Guy is still on the run.

That whole town is on lock-down. What a horrible situation.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Ideologue on June 05, 2014, 03:37:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: sbr on June 04, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
At least it was just cops that got shot.

Fuck you.

Maybe not the best way for him to have put it, but would you have preferred civilian casualties?
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Valmy on June 05, 2014, 03:46:19 PM
It's ok when cops or soldiers die because it is part of the plan.

Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan."
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Ideologue on June 05, 2014, 03:50:19 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 05, 2014, 03:46:19 PM
It's ok when cops or soldiers die because it is part of the plan.

Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan."

Sounds reasonable.  Do you have a newsletter?
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: viper37 on June 05, 2014, 04:32:07 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 04, 2014, 09:32:39 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/3-rcmp-officers-dead-2-wounded-in-moncton-shooting-1.2665359 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/3-rcmp-officers-dead-2-wounded-in-moncton-shooting-1.2665359)

QuoteThe New Brunswick RCMP have confirmed that three officers have been killed and two have been wounded in a shooting in Moncton, N.B.

A police manhunt is still underway for Justin Bourque, 24, after at least two people were shot. The RCMP say Bourque is considered "armed and dangerous."

"There is an active shooter in the Moncton area. We're asking residents to stay in their homes and lock their doors," said Rogers-Marsh.



At 10:05 p.m. AT RCMP said the shooter was near the Costco.

The Horizon Health Network has confirmed on Twitter that the Moncton Hospital has received two patients with gunshot wounds. The hospital is restricting visitors to those with "critically ill family members."

The RCMP are advising people in the Hildegard Drive and Ryan Road area to stay inside "due to an ongoing shooting in the area."

The RCMP tweeted at 9:35 p.m. that the shooter is believed to be in the woods near Pinehurst Park.

Motorists were warned to avoid the Plaza Boulevard area.

Parts of Wheeler Boulevard are cordoned off and traffic on Mountain Road is backed up.

A police helicopter is flying in the area.

There is a picture of the shooter on the linked page.

The registry has been abolished for hunting rifles only.  The guy has a semi-automatic, something likely on the restricted access list, for wich there is registry and you can't just buy at your local Wal-Mart.

Also given that the registry was officially abolished last year, when the Feds destroyed all the data, except for Quebec, it is likely, if it is hunting rifle, that it was bought legally and registered as per the laws of the time.

EDIT:
Ok, the sale appears to be legal, so long as you have the proper license:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_and_Acquisition_Licence

Wich means, the gun and its owner are registered.  People say it's either a M14 or M305.  M14 is prohibited since 1992, M305 is legal to own, provided you have your PAC.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Ideologue on June 05, 2014, 04:34:50 PM
If I had ten billion dollars, one of the things I'd do is offer to fund firearms for liberals and the training to use them in both individual and small unit situations.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: crazy canuck on June 05, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 05, 2014, 04:34:50 PM
If I had ten billion dollars, one of the things I'd do is offer to fund firearms for liberals and the training to use them in both individual and small unit situations.

I would have thought you would fund the teaching of the Communist Manifesto in public schools to "show that it is true".  At least that is the sort of thing I heard Billionaires in the States do these days - although with other works.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: sbr on June 05, 2014, 06:26:33 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 05, 2014, 03:37:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 05, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
Quote from: sbr on June 04, 2014, 11:22:43 PM
At least it was just cops that got shot.

Fuck you.

Maybe not the best way for him to have put it, but would you have preferred civilian casualties?

This was my point, but I intentionally worded it as badly as I could just to be a dick.

I am no fan of cops, but I am sad to hear this news and wish the best for their coworkers, friends and families.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: DGuller on June 05, 2014, 06:31:22 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 05, 2014, 04:34:50 PM
If I had ten billion dollars, one of the things I'd do is offer to fund firearms for liberals and the training to use them in both individual and small unit situations.
:hmm: What about troika situations?
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Monoriu on June 05, 2014, 08:58:15 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 05, 2014, 04:34:50 PM
If I had ten billion dollars, one of the things I'd do is offer to fund firearms for liberals and the training to use them in both individual and small unit situations.

If I had ten billion dollars, I would make sure no one knows about it.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 05, 2014, 09:01:39 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 05, 2014, 08:58:15 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 05, 2014, 04:34:50 PM
If I had ten billion dollars, one of the things I'd do is offer to fund firearms for liberals and the training to use them in both individual and small unit situations.

If I had ten billion dollars, I would make sure no one knows about it.
The number of people with 10 billion dollars or more was at last count only 128 according to Forbes. There's no way you could keep it a secret.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: mongers on June 05, 2014, 09:16:16 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 05, 2014, 09:01:39 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 05, 2014, 08:58:15 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 05, 2014, 04:34:50 PM
If I had ten billion dollars, one of the things I'd do is offer to fund firearms for liberals and the training to use them in both individual and small unit situations.

If I had ten billion dollars, I would make sure no one knows about it.
The number of people with 10 billion dollars or more was at last count only 128 according to Forbes. There's no way you could keep it a secret.

Unless of course, he does and that was just an elaborate boast.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2014, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 05, 2014, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 05, 2014, 10:07:01 AM
Define nutty. Who makes that determination? How much nutty is too nutty?

Beats the hell out of me.  Ask Seedy.

If I'm responding to a possible psych wellness check called in by someone's parents like the cops did with Mr. Lonely Hearts, I'd like the ability to able to check if he's got guns registered to him, how many, and how recently they've been purchased.  I don't see why that sounds so extreme to some of you.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: dps on June 05, 2014, 11:48:18 PM
If I had 10 billion dollars, well, I wouldn't have it very long 'cause I'd spend a good chunk of it.
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: PRC on June 05, 2014, 11:49:48 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 05, 2014, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 05, 2014, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 05, 2014, 10:07:01 AM
Define nutty. Who makes that determination? How much nutty is too nutty?

Beats the hell out of me.  Ask Seedy.

If I'm responding to a possible psych wellness check called in by someone's parents like the cops did with Mr. Lonely Hearts, I'd like the ability to able to check if he's got guns registered to him, how many, and how recently they've been purchased.  I don't see why that sounds so extreme to some of you.

Well when you put it like that...
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 06, 2014, 12:25:43 AM
Captured without incident

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/06/06/moncton_shooting_suspect_justin_bourque_arrested.html
Title: Re: When you abolish a Registry, Cops get killed. - Moncton shooting.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on June 06, 2014, 06:06:39 AM
With ten billion I'd build a floating mansion like airship and never touch the ground.