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QuoteSinn Féin leader Gerry Adams held over Jean McConville murder
Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams has been arrested by Northern Ireland police in connection with the 1972 murder of Jean McConville.
He presented himself to police on Wednesday evening and was arrested.
Speaking before his arrest, Mr Adams said he was "innocent of any part" in the murder.
Mrs McConville, a 37-year-old widow and mother-of-10, was abducted from her flat in the Divis area of west Belfast and shot by the IRA.
Her body was recovered from a beach in County Louth in 2003.
Police said a 65-year-old man presented himself to Antrim police station on Wednesday evening and was arrested.
'Malicious allegations'
In a statement, Sinn Féin said: "Last month Gerry Adams said he was available to meet the PSNI about the Jean McConville case. That meeting is taking place this evening."
Mr Adams added: "I believe that the killing of Jean McConville and the secret burial of her body was wrong and a grievous injustice to her and her family.
"Well publicised, malicious allegations have been made against me. I reject these.
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Jean McConville, a widowed mother-of-10, was abducted and murdered by the IRA in December 1972
"While I have never disassociated myself from the IRA and I never will, I am innocent of any part in the abduction, killing or burial of Mrs McConville."
His party colleague Alex Maskey condemned the timing of the arrest, just over three weeks from the European and local government elections.
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Gerry Adams - shown here (on the right) at the funeral of an IRA commander in Belfast in 1971 - denies any involvement in Jean McConville's murder
However, Mrs McConville's son Michael, who was 11 when his mother was murdered, welcomed the arrest.
"We're just happy to see everything moving as it is moving at the minute," Mr McConville said.
"Me and the rest of my brothers and sisters are just glad to see the PSNI doing their job. We didn't think it would ever take place [Mr Adams' arrest], but we are quite glad that it is taking place.
"All we're looking for is justice for our mother. Our mother, on the seventh of next month, would have been 80 years of age.
"Although we didn't spend much time with our mother, we'd have like to have spent a lot of time with her. If the IRA hadn't have killed our mother, God knows, she still might have been alive today."
Mrs McConville, one of Northern Ireland's Disappeared, was kidnapped in front of her children after being wrongly accused of being an informer.
Last month, Ivor Bell, 77, a leader in the Provisional IRA in the 1970s, was charged with aiding and abetting the murder.
There have also been a number of other arrests over the murder recently.
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Mrs McConville's son Michael welcomed the arrest
The case against Bell is based on an interview he allegedly gave to researchers at Boston College in the US.
The Boston College tapes are a series of candid, confessional interviews with former loyalist and republican paramilitaries, designed to be an oral history of the Troubles.
The paramilitaries were told the tapes would only be made public after their deaths.
However, after a series of court cases in the United States, some of the content has been handed over to the authorities.
Informer claim dismissed
The claim that Mrs McConville was an informer was dismissed after an official investigation by the Northern Ireland Police Ombudsman.
She was held at one or more houses before being shot and buried in secret.
The Disappeared are those who were abducted, murdered and secretly buried by republicans during the Troubles.
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Jean McConville's children interviewed after her disappearance in 1972
The IRA admitted in 1999 that it murdered and buried at secret locations nine of the Disappeared.
The Independent Commission for the Location of Victims' Remains was established in 1999 by a treaty between the British and Irish governments.
It lists 16 people as "disappeared". Despite extensive searches, the remains of seven of them have not been found.
QuoteWhat are the 'Boston tapes'?
Dozens of former IRA members were interviewed in Belfast and other cities and towns from 2001-2006 as part of an oral-history project known as the Belfast Project
Details about internal politics and activities of the IRA were revealed on tape, including accounts of a hunger strike in prison in the 1980s
Overall the project cost about $200,000 (£118,520), mostly provided by an Irish-American businessman
Each interview was transcribed, sent by encrypted email to New York and then the material was sent to Boston College
Here the material was placed under lock and key at Burns Library, until some were released to the Police Service of Northern Ireland last year following a legal battle with the college
Sources: Chronicle of Higher Education, New York Times
I thought we were all pretending that he hadn't done anything like that...........for the purposes of the peace agreement?
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 01, 2014, 01:36:46 AM
I thought we were all pretending that he hadn't done anything like that...........for the purposes of the peace agreement?
Now that peace has been achieved, Gerry has outlived his usefulness.
I knew he was a piece of crap.
It is soooo wrong, but I have just seen this here:
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right after seeing this in another thread:
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And I laughed. :Embarrass:
The Tribbles was so awful.
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 08:34:37 AM
I knew he was a piece of crap.
:mad: Aren't you an American Patriot?!
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 01, 2014, 09:35:41 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 08:34:37 AM
I knew he was a piece of crap.
:mad: Aren't you an American Patriot?!
:huh:
Its Grey Fox. His English isn't so good. What he was trying to say was, "do you have a room?"
My english is amazing, it's atleast on par with Tim's students or Seedy's.
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 01, 2014, 09:35:41 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 08:34:37 AM
I knew he was a piece of crap.
:mad: Aren't you an American Patriot?!
:huh:
You should be on the Irish side, they were fighting the English oppressors just like you did. It's a joke, it failed, let's move on.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 01, 2014, 09:48:39 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 01, 2014, 09:35:41 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 08:34:37 AM
I knew he was a piece of crap.
:mad: Aren't you an American Patriot?!
:huh:
You should be on the Irish side, they were fighting the English oppressors just like you did. It's a joke, it failed, let's move on.
You should know my opinion on Northern Ireland and my fervent support of the Queen everywhere outside the borders of the US.
Well none of the American Patriots who were a bit too zealous in ridding our nation of Tories had the foolishness to go live in Canada after the war. If Gerry Adams had moved to Munster or something he would be fine.
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2014, 10:05:36 AM
Well none of the American Patriots who were a bit too zealous in ridding our nation of Tories had the foolishness to go live in Canada after the war. If Gerry Adams had moved to Munster or something he would be fine.
He's a TD for County Louth in the Republic.
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 01, 2014, 10:26:13 AM
He's a TD for County Louth in the Republic.
So this is like the British coming into Vermont and arresting Ethan Allen? OUTRAGE!
And of course a guy like him is a TD. Ah Ireland.
From my reading of the article, Adams presented himself at the police station in Antrim after the warrant for his arrest went out. No foolish loitering in the wrong side of the border, no cross border raids; he was wanted and he gave himself up.
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
From my reading of the article, Adams presented himself at the police station in Antrim after the warrant for his arrest went out. No foolish loitering in the wrong side of the border, no cross border raids; he was wanted and he gave himself up.
What a pussy.
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
From my reading of the article, Adams presented himself at the police station in Antrim after the warrant for his arrest went out. No foolish loitering in the wrong side of the border, no cross border raids; he was wanted and he gave himself up.
What a pussy.
:huh:
It's the honourable thing to do.
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2014, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
From my reading of the article, Adams presented himself at the police station in Antrim after the warrant for his arrest went out. No foolish loitering in the wrong side of the border, no cross border raids; he was wanted and he gave himself up.
What a pussy.
:huh:
It's the honourable thing to do.
:rolleyes: Some fighter he is.
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2014, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
From my reading of the article, Adams presented himself at the police station in Antrim after the warrant for his arrest went out. No foolish loitering in the wrong side of the border, no cross border raids; he was wanted and he gave himself up.
What a pussy.
:huh:
It's the honourable thing to do.
:rolleyes: Some fighter he is.
:huh:
He hasn't been a fighter for at least 20 years.
Then he's a quitter. No respect.
What was the reason for the IRA to kill this woman?
Quote from: PRC on May 01, 2014, 11:28:18 AM
What was the reason for the IRA to kill this woman?
Article said she was a (wrongly) suspected informant.
Quote from: PRC on May 01, 2014, 11:28:18 AM
What was the reason for the IRA to kill this woman?
:huh: It's the IRA.
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
Then he's a quitter. No respect.
You'll be resorting to critiquing his choice of shoes, next.
Quote from: mongers on May 01, 2014, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
Then he's a quitter. No respect.
You'll be resorting to critiquing his choice of shoes, next.
And then socks after that. Can't give those bloody IRA/Sinn Fein/Provo types any breathing room whatsoever.
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
Then he's a quitter. No respect.
So you are opposed to the Good Friday Accords and the cessation of sectarian paramilitary fighting?
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 11:58:55 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
Then he's a quitter. No respect.
So you are opposed to the Good Friday Accords and the cessation of sectarian paramilitary fighting?
Shut up, IRA apologist :angry:
I may have started to take the piss at a certain point in this thread.
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
From my reading of the article, Adams presented himself at the police station in Antrim after the warrant for his arrest went out. No foolish loitering in the wrong side of the border, no cross border raids; he was wanted and he gave himself up.
Yes. I just presumed the arrest was issued and he turned himself in because he was a NI citizen. But I guess when you have two countries that small side by side on an Island the normally very large issue of international borders is not as big of a thing.
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2014, 12:27:00 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
From my reading of the article, Adams presented himself at the police station in Antrim after the warrant for his arrest went out. No foolish loitering in the wrong side of the border, no cross border raids; he was wanted and he gave himself up.
Yes. I just presumed the arrest was issued and he turned himself in because he was a NI citizen. But I guess when you have two countries that small side by side on an Island the normally very large issue of international borders is not as big of a thing.
Well, both of them are in the EU so border crossings aren't that big a deal.
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2014, 12:27:00 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
From my reading of the article, Adams presented himself at the police station in Antrim after the warrant for his arrest went out. No foolish loitering in the wrong side of the border, no cross border raids; he was wanted and he gave himself up.
Yes. I just presumed the arrest was issued and he turned himself in because he was a NI citizen. But I guess when you have two countries that small side by side on an Island the normally very large issue of international borders is not as big of a thing.
Probably more a matter than extradition within the EU is not that difficult to obtain.
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2014, 11:09:29 AM
:huh:
It's the honourable thing to do.
If every accused did this you would be overloaded with work. Is it really honorable to stress the poor Crown Prosecutors so?
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 12:28:01 PM
Well, both of them are in the EU so border crossings aren't that big a deal.
That would normally be so but I thought the British and Irish were weird about that whole Schengen thing.
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2014, 12:28:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2014, 11:09:29 AM
:huh:
It's the honourable thing to do.
If every accused did this you would be overloaded with work. Is it really honorable to stress the poor Crown Prosecutors so?
What's stressful is getting a file with a 40 year old offence date, then then waits another 10 years before it comes to court due to an accused being on the lam.
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2014, 12:29:02 PM
That would normally be so but I thought the British and Irish were weird about that whole Schengen thing.
There used to be military checkpoints on the border due to paramilitaries - when Schengen was created and even when it became part of the EU framework.
Now there's not even a sign at most crossings to say when you're leaving one country and entering the other. The UK is far more dubious about Schengen than Ireland, but I think the British position makes sense. As it is both countries have an opt-out.
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2014, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 12:28:01 PM
Well, both of them are in the EU so border crossings aren't that big a deal.
That would normally be so but I thought the British and Irish were weird about that whole Schengen thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area
Ah ok I did not know about that. Damn the EU is complicated.
You can travel without a passport, between and in the UK and Ireland if you're an Irish or UK citizen respectively. :bowler:
Quote from: mongers on May 01, 2014, 02:19:18 PM
You can travel without a passport, between and in the UK and Ireland if you're an Irish or UK citizen respectively. :bowler:
How do they know? :huh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 01, 2014, 02:49:12 PM
Quote from: mongers on May 01, 2014, 02:19:18 PM
You can travel without a passport, between and in the UK and Ireland if you're an Irish or UK citizen respectively. :bowler:
How do they know? :huh:
Who is 'they'?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 01, 2014, 02:49:12 PM
Quote from: mongers on May 01, 2014, 02:19:18 PM
You can travel without a passport, between and in the UK and Ireland if you're an Irish or UK citizen respectively. :bowler:
How do they know? :huh:
The two have a common border agreement. You can't get onto the islands as a non citizen without a passport.
I understand that causes some problems for longer term visitors. The time they spend in Ireland and the UK is cumulative because they don't get passport stamps when traveling between the two.
Also it is why Ireland and the UK aren't in Schengen. The UK is more skeptic of Schengen, saying why should we do away with our own migration checks when we are an island? Ireland is saying that they support Schengen, but that they need to stay in alliance with the UK on migration controls or else border checks will be put in place on their island.
Not Gerry Adams! He seemed so normal to me. Just a quiet lad who loved his mom and blowing up Protestants.
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2014, 12:31:15 PM
What's stressful is getting a file with a 40 year old offence date, then then waits another 10 years before it comes to court due to an accused being on the lam.
If only Martinus were still here, he would start a deranged rant about statutes of limitation.
Quote from: mongers on May 01, 2014, 02:53:26 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 01, 2014, 02:49:12 PM
Quote from: mongers on May 01, 2014, 02:19:18 PM
You can travel without a passport, between and in the UK and Ireland if you're an Irish or UK citizen respectively. :bowler:
How do they know? :huh:
Who is 'they'?
They, they, the ominous they.
26+6=1
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 01, 2014, 01:36:46 AM
I thought we were all pretending that he hadn't done anything like that...........for the purposes of the peace agreement?
Guess it becomes more difficult when they find a body.
QuoteJean McConville's daughter: I'll name names over IRA killing
'I am no longer afraid' says Helen McKendry, as Northern Ireland secretary warns of tense moment in peace process
Henry McDonald and Nicholas Watt
The Guardian, Thursday 1 May 2014 22.36 BST
The eldest daughter of IRA murder victim Jean McConville vowed to "name names" to police, as officers continue to hold Gerry Adams for questioning in connection with her kidnapping into a second day.
Helen McKendry's outspoken intervention came as the former Northern Ireland secretary Shaun Woodward warned that the arrest of Adams marks one of the most "tense and potentially quite dangerous" moments in the peace process.
Speaking to the Guardian McKendry, who has spent 20 years campaigning to bring her mother's killers to justice, said: "I spent the first 20 years of my life being afraid of these people, of fearing to speak out, but now I am no longer afraid."
McKendry, who witnessed her mother being dragged away by the IRA in 1972, said she was prepared to identify the abductors despite a fear or reprisals – in contrast with her brother Michael, who earlier in the day told the BBC he was not prepared to say who was involved.
She said: "If full cooperation into the murder of my mother includes naming those who I saw bursting into our flat, who dragged my mother away from us at gunpoint, and who were directly involved in her disappearance and murder, then yes – I would be prepared to name names. To me that is not informing but doing my duty to my mother."
McKendry said detectives had told the family that the Police Service of Northern Ireland has obtained as many as 11 tapes – testimonies from former IRA members – from a US academic archive relating to the McConville killing.
The continued detention of the Sinn Féin leader over the kidnapping, killing and secret burial of Jean McConville, a mother of 10, has thrown the delicate political settlement in the province back into crisis.
Woodward became the first senior political figure in London to raise concerns about the impact of the arrest. Labour's last Northern Ireland secretary told the Guardian: "This is a very serious and tense moment in the history of the peace process and the political process. So long as Northern Ireland continues to avoid having a mechanism to deal fairly with the legacy issues of the pre-1998 Good Friday agreement there will inevitably be these tense and potentially quite dangerous and threatening moments in the peace process and the political process."
His remarks came after Martin McGuinness said there were elements in the police force – which he and Adams once urged republicans to back – who were determined to hinder Sinn Fein's advance across the island of Ireland.
Northern Ireland's deputy first minister said his party had been told by "senior" and "reforming" elements within the PSNI that "there was still a dark side within policing here in the north of Ireland". He said: "I think we have seen that dark side flex its muscles in the course of the last couple of days."
Sinn Féin had earlier said that the arrest, weeks before the European parliamentary elections, was politically motivated – a suggestion David Cameron rejected. The prime minister said: "There has been absolutely no political interference in this issue. We have an independent judicial system, both here in England and in Northern Ireland. We have independent policing authorities, independent prosecuting authorities. Those are vital parts of the free country and the free society we enjoy today."
Matt Baggott, the chief constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, said the investigation would be "effective, objective and methodical".
Asked about the investigation, Baggott said: "Effective investigation applies to any unsolved matter and it would be inappropriate for me to comment on any individual investigation other than to say they will be objective and methodical."
Labour figures associated with the peace process made no criticism of the police who had, they said, followed the law. But Peter Hain, Tony Blair's last Northern Ireland secretary, said Adams had told him with great passion that he was not responsible for McConville's death.
Hain said: "Obviously the judicial process has to take its course. Gerry Adams has strongly asserted – as he always did to me when I was secretary of state and he was actually helping track the 'disappeared' – that he had nothing to do with this. In fact we actually discussed the Jean McConville atrocity because that is what it was – a terrible crime. He was passionate about it being wrong and he wanted to find out who was responsible – at least that it is what he told me and those of us seeking to address the 'disappeared' on behalf of the victims because there are many of them."
But Peter Robinson, Northern Ireland's first minister and key partner with McGuinness in the power-sharing executive, said the arrest strengthened Northern Ireland's political process. "I cannot say whether Mr Adams will be charged or released, whether he will be held for a further period, whether even if charged he might be convicted," he said. "But what I can say is that it strengthens our political process in Northern Ireland for people to know that no one is above the law – everyone is equal under the law and everyone is equally subject to the law."
The abduction, fatal shooting and covert burial of McConville, a 37-year-old Protestant who became a Catholic convert, continues to haunt both Adams and the peace process.
In front of her children at their home in the Divis flats complex, the West Belfast woman was dragged away by an IRA gang, driven across the border to the Republic, shot in the head at a remote coastal spot in County Louth, and then buried in secret.
She became the most famous of the "disappeared" – 16 IRA victims shot and buried at secret locations across Ireland during the Troubles.
Former IRA members including Adams's former friend, the hunger striker Brendan Hughes, have alleged that the future Sinn Féin president gave the order for McConville to be "disappeared" after she was shot as an informer. Her family have always rejected any suggestion that she was a British army agent pointing to Northern Ireland's former police ombudsman Nuala O'Loan's investigation,which found no evidence of their mother working as an informer.
Adams has consistently denied claims of involvement in the McConville murder or of being in the IRA. He was arrested on Wednesday evening after handing himself into the PSNI's serious crimes suite at Antrim Town. Before entering the police station, he repeated that he was "innocent of any part" in the murder.
The Sinn Féin leader spent Wednesday night in custody and could in theory be held until late on Friday under anti-terrorist legislation.
The allegations of a supposed police conspiracy against Sinn Féin and its party leader by McGuinness drew an angry response from the McConville family. The murdered woman's son-in-law, Seamus McKendry, who co-founded the campaign for the disappeared, described McGuinness's claims as "totally absurd and a deep insult to the family and the wider community's intelligence".
McKendry said: "This is the same PSNI which Martin McGuinness asked everyone including his own supporters to endorse when devolution was restored. He can't have it both ways. This is just typical spin to deflect from the real story behind all of this, to deflect from the terrible crime inflicted on Jean."
Ireland's prime minister, the Taoiseach Enda Kenny, dismissed any notion that the arrest was politically motivated.
"I hope the president of Sinn Féin, Deputy Adams, answers in the best way that he can, the fullest extent that he can, the questions being asked about a live murder investigation by the PSNI," Kenny said.His ministerial colleague Ruairí Quinn said any suggestion Adams was detained in order to interfere with politics south of the border was "ludicrous".
The arrest also refocuses attention on Sinn Féin's past connection to the IRA at a time when the party has been riding high in the opinion polls and seeking to make major gains in the Irish Republic's European and local government elections. Deputy party leader Mary Lou McDonald insisted that there was a political motive behind the arrest given that the country was only two weeks away from going to the polls.
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Quote from: mongers on May 01, 2014, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
Then he's a quitter. No respect.
You'll be resorting to critiquing his choice of shoes, next.
And then socks after that. Can't give those bloody IRA/Sinn Fein/Provo types any breathing room whatsoever.
Why not, they're very gender-specific roles.
You know, while I would have been okay with a South African-style Truth and Reconciliation Committee type approach in NI, in the absence of such I'm quite happy to see Adams arrest.
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2014, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
From my reading of the article, Adams presented himself at the police station in Antrim after the warrant for his arrest went out. No foolish loitering in the wrong side of the border, no cross border raids; he was wanted and he gave himself up.
What a pussy.
:huh:
It's the honourable thing to do.
Not for an American. Americans never surrender peacefully to the police, they always go gunsblazing, the Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid way. Haven't you watched any of those Hollywood documentaries on criminals? ;)
That's why Derspiess is so shocked, it's contrary to all his beliefs.
Serioulsy, I'd be curious to see the stats on this, arrest warrant, people surrender peacefully or flee and fight.
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Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2014, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 01, 2014, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 01, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
From my reading of the article, Adams presented himself at the police station in Antrim after the warrant for his arrest went out. No foolish loitering in the wrong side of the border, no cross border raids; he was wanted and he gave himself up.
What a pussy.
:huh:
It's the honourable thing to do.
Not for an American. Americans never surrender peacefully to the police, they always go gunsblazing, the Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid way. Haven't you watched any of those Hollywood documentaries on criminals? ;)
That's why Derspiess is so shocked, it's contrary to all his beliefs.
Serioulsy, I'd be curious to see the stats on this, arrest warrant, people surrender peacefully or flee and fight.
I'd guess that the most common outcome is that a suspect is arrested before they even realize that there was a warrant issued on them, so they never actually get to make a decision about what to do.
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2014, 01:10:54 PM
Ah ok I did not know about that. Damn the EU is complicated.
You think? No wonder it needs 79 million bureaucrats in Brussels.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2014, 11:35:50 PM
Why not, they're very gender-specific roles.
For Irishmen, I suppose. Bunch of goddamned violent drunks.
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2014, 08:46:09 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2014, 11:35:50 PM
Why not, they're very gender-specific roles.
For Irishmen, I suppose. Bunch of goddamned violent drunks.
Today you should be pro IRA. That will confuse people more.
Quote from: PDH on May 02, 2014, 08:53:31 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2014, 08:46:09 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2014, 11:35:50 PM
Why not, they're very gender-specific roles.
For Irishmen, I suppose. Bunch of goddamned violent drunks.
Today you should be pro IRA. That will confuse people more.
I like the cut of your jib.
IRA as in I Rate Asses?
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2014, 06:43:27 PM
26+6=1
Gotta love Irish maths. So quirky and individual.
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2014, 08:46:09 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2014, 11:35:50 PM
Why not, they're very gender-specific roles.
For Irishmen, I suppose. Bunch of goddamned violent drunks.
Ag, how cute, he hates the Irish as much as negroes and women. You really are stuck in the 19th century. :P
Quote from: dps on May 02, 2014, 04:58:14 AM
I'd guess that the most common outcome is that a suspect is arrested before they even realize that there was a warrant issued on them, so they never actually get to make a decision about what to do.
Mostly this.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2014, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: dps on May 02, 2014, 04:58:14 AM
I'd guess that the most common outcome is that a suspect is arrested before they even realize that there was a warrant issued on them, so they never actually get to make a decision about what to do.
Mostly this.
TV cops love the perp-walk. Are real life cops the same?
To be honest, I can't remember a named suspect running since moving to norway, and most definitively not in iceland.
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2014, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2014, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: dps on May 02, 2014, 04:58:14 AM
I'd guess that the most common outcome is that a suspect is arrested before they even realize that there was a warrant issued on them, so they never actually get to make a decision about what to do.
Mostly this.
TV cops love the perp-walk. Are real life cops the same?
To be honest, I can't remember a named suspect running since moving to norway, and most definitively not in iceland.
Do they let him finish stacking firewood before they take him in?
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2014, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2014, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2014, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: dps on May 02, 2014, 04:58:14 AM
I'd guess that the most common outcome is that a suspect is arrested before they even realize that there was a warrant issued on them, so they never actually get to make a decision about what to do.
Mostly this.
TV cops love the perp-walk. Are real life cops the same?
To be honest, I can't remember a named suspect running since moving to norway, and most definitively not in iceland.
Do they let him finish stacking firewood before they take him in?
I think they just call, and if he doesn't show up they make an appeal in the media. Also, the only people actually held after being charged are murderers and gangsters.
Quote from: Norgy on May 02, 2014, 05:06:52 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2014, 01:10:54 PM
Ah ok I did not know about that. Damn the EU is complicated.
You think? No wonder it needs 79 million bureaucrats in Brussels.
UNELECTED bureaucrats. Because in most of Europe people elect their bureaucrats I guess.
'Vote for Antonio for Insurance Licensing Processor # 32'
Christ :bleeding:
http://www.vox.com/2014/4/30/5669484/britains-murder-case-against-one-of-irelands-most-important
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2014, 09:23:14 AM
Ag, how cute, he hates the Irish as much as negroes and women. You really are stuck in the 19th century. :P
Not at all. With open arms we welcome women & blacks into the Orange Order.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ulster.ac.uk%2Fnews%2Fimages%2Fafricas-orange-order.jpg&hash=d745c6affcb5f815ead519fd1f76a3353e014c46)
Quote from: Valmy on May 02, 2014, 11:07:08 AM
Quote from: Norgy on May 02, 2014, 05:06:52 AM
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2014, 01:10:54 PM
Ah ok I did not know about that. Damn the EU is complicated.
You think? No wonder it needs 79 million bureaucrats in Brussels.
UNELECTED bureaucrats. Because in most of Europe people elect their bureaucrats I guess.
'Vote for Antonio for Insurance Licensing Processor # 32'
Given the low turnouts for elections to the EU parliament, I'd question whether that particular assembly is really "elected" too.
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2014, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2014, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: dps on May 02, 2014, 04:58:14 AM
I'd guess that the most common outcome is that a suspect is arrested before they even realize that there was a warrant issued on them, so they never actually get to make a decision about what to do.
Mostly this.
TV cops love the perp-walk. Are real life cops the same?
To be honest, I can't remember a named suspect running since moving to norway, and most definitively not in iceland.
Where would they run to? There's more places to hide in the US than in the whole EU.
Quote from: Gups on May 02, 2014, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 01, 2014, 06:43:27 PM
26+6=1
Gotta love Irish maths. So quirky and individual.
You'd love the bumper stickers. I see at least one of those every day. More if I'm at the Community College.
I swear I see like 10 of the COEXIST bumper stickers on my commute to and from work every day :bleeding:
DAMN THOSE PEACE BUMPERSTICKERS!
Drive through Yellow Springs. You'd enjoy it. Get an ice cream at Young's. waffle cones there are faboo.
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2014, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2014, 09:23:14 AM
Ag, how cute, he hates the Irish as much as negroes and women. You really are stuck in the 19th century. :P
Not at all. With open arms we welcome women & blacks into the Orange Order.
The Bengals have nothing to do with this.
Quote from: Viking on May 02, 2014, 09:38:35 AM
TV cops love the perp-walk. Are real life cops the same?
Oh, fuck yeah. Anything to draw attention to themselves, especially with cameras around.