http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Warrior
QuoteWarrior died on April 8, 2014. He had been inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame on April 5, appeared at Wrestlemania XXX on April 6, and made his first Raw appearance in 18 years on April 7, one day before his death.[63] According to TMZ, Warrior collapsed at 5:50 PM while walking to his car with his wife in Arizona outside of their hotel. He was rushed to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.[64]
During his final appearance on Raw and less than 24 hours before his death, Warrior gave a speech to the fans and wrestlers past and present as his Ultimate Warrior character. During the speech he said,[65]
"No WWE talent becomes a legend on their own. Every man's heart one day beats its final beat. His lungs breathe their final breath. And if what that man did in his life makes the blood pulse through the body of others and makes them bleed deeper and something larger than life then his essence, his spirit, will be immortalized. By the story tellers, by the loyalty, by the memory of those who honor him and make the running the man did live forever. You, you, you, you, you, you are the legend makers of Ultimate Warrior. In the back I see many potential legends. Some of them with warrior spirits. And you will do the same for them. You will decide if they lived with the passion and intensity. So much so that you will tell your stories and you will make them legends, as well. I am Ultimate Warrior. You are the Ultimate Warrior fans. And the spirit of the Ultimate Warrior will run forever!"
News spread quickly through social media of Warrior's passing. Jake Roberts, a fellow 2014 Hall of Fame inductee and former opponent in the ring, said that the two were able to finally put their past problems behind them. Roberts said "Deeply saddened. We just had a great talk & buried a senseless hatchet. Talked working together. RIP Warrior. Taking solace we made peace." Kevin Nash, another wrestler who has spent years publically feuding with Warrior was also able to end their problems. Nash said "So happy I embraced Warrior with a hug when we saw each other backstage Saturday night. My heart goes out to his family. Always Believe." Hulk Hogan, one of Warrior most hated rivals in and out of the ring said through his Twitter page "RIP WARRIOR. only love. HH"[
Age 54. Which is almost Biblical for a superstar of the 'roid era of the WWF.
Oh, one of my favourites. :cry:
He was the biggest thing on Earth during my childhood. RIP. :cry:
RIP. Truly one of the greats. :cry:
Sic transit gloria :(
Never heard of him.
Sad. I always liked the Warrior back in the day.
I remember Paul Atreides going on and on for page after page about how steroid use isn't bad for you. What is happening to wrestlers might be evidence to argue with him, but he isn't here anymore. I'm not sure that is a coincidence.
I miss Paul. Sure, Baron Harkonnen was cooler, but Paul was okay too.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 09, 2014, 09:01:48 AM
I remember Paul Atreides going on and on for page after page about how steroid use isn't bad for you. What is happening to wrestlers might be evidence to argue with him, but he isn't here anymore. I'm not sure that is a coincidence.
He sure kept one eye on the matter.
I worry about Paul. Besides the steroids, he was bragging about getting into bar fights, putting away a fifth of whiskey a night in front of the TV, and gobbling Vicodin in the morning for the hangover.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 09, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
I worry about Paul. Besides the steroids, he was bragging about getting into bar fights, putting away a fifth of whiskey a night in front of the TV, and gobbling Vicodin in the morning for the hangover.
I don't think he'll do something stupid like rob a bank.
Ultimate Warrior was a big deal when I was watching wrestling as a kid. Looking back at some of his promos on youtube though he really comes across as insane.
Quote from: PRC on April 09, 2014, 10:17:50 AM
Ultimate Warrior was a big deal when I was watching wrestling as a kid. Looking back at some of his promos on youtube though he really comes across as insane.
But that was the style back then. Hell, Macho Man used to cut these amazing stream-of-consciousness promos that made him seem like a lunatic, but were actually pretty cool. Impressive, considering they used to just whip them up on the spot.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 09, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
I worry about Paul. Besides the steroids, he was bragging about getting into bar fights, putting away a fifth of whiskey a night in front of the TV, and gobbling Vicodin in the morning for the hangover.
I strongly suspect he died. He was a very active poster, a bit older, and seemed to have a hard lifestyle. He just disappeared one day.
I think the same thing with Savant.
Quote from: The Brain on April 09, 2014, 10:02:32 AM
I don't think he'll do something stupid like rob a bank.
:lol:
Quote from: alfred russel on April 09, 2014, 10:49:49 AM
I strongly suspect he died. He was a very active poster, a bit older, and seemed to have a hard lifestyle. He just disappeared one day.
I think the same thing with Savant.
I think that's a strong possibility when any poster just vanishes, yeah. It goes against what we usually see when people decide to quit (which is either a goodbye thread or a ragequit post (e.g. Hamilcar, Mart x 15, etc.). OTOH some people may just decide they want to leave quietly and not attention whore about it. If I ever decide to quit Languish for good, that's what I'd do for sure.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 09, 2014, 10:49:49 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 09, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
I worry about Paul. Besides the steroids, he was bragging about getting into bar fights, putting away a fifth of whiskey a night in front of the TV, and gobbling Vicodin in the morning for the hangover.
I strongly suspect he died. He was a very active poster, a bit older, and seemed to have a hard lifestyle. He just disappeared one day.
I think the same thing with Savant.
Refresh me on who Savant was?
EDIT: One of Paul's last posts was a thread about how he'd realized he was an alcoholic and wanted to change. My more hopeful read on the situation is that he got clean and made a break from his old life (including drunk-posting on Languish).
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 09, 2014, 02:44:08 PM
EDIT: One of Paul's last posts was a thread about how he'd realized he was an alcoholic and wanted to change. My more hopeful read on the situation is that he got clean and made a break from his old life (including drunk-posting on Languish).
Ah, either I never saw that or had forgotten completely. I hope you are right. :)
The only wrestler I remember from my days of being forced to watch wrestling by fellow employees was a guy named "The Booger" (I think), whose speciality was ... sitting on other wrestler's faces with his huge, fat, stinky ass. :yuk:
:hmm: That sounds like Rikishi.
Quote from: Caliga on April 09, 2014, 03:34:40 PM
:hmm: That sounds like Rikishi.
I think this is the guy - turns out he, too, has died (in 2010). :(
http://www.pwpix.net/superstars/m/mikeshaw/
QuoteShaw resurfaced in June as the hygienically-challenged Bastion Booger, a character of an unkempt, slovenly and gluttonous gargoyle-like man who competed in dingy singlets tailored to give him the appearance of a hunchback. His grotesque appearance almost equaled his disgusting behavior toward opponents and fans.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 09, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
I worry about Paul. Besides the steroids, he was bragging about getting into bar fights, putting away a fifth of whiskey a night in front of the TV, and gobbling Vicodin in the morning for the hangover.
Was anyone in any real contact with him?
You know, this could be him
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/sketchy-lawyer-billboards
How many one eyed lawyers can there be in the St.Louis area?
Quote from: Razgovory on April 09, 2014, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 09, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
I worry about Paul. Besides the steroids, he was bragging about getting into bar fights, putting away a fifth of whiskey a night in front of the TV, and gobbling Vicodin in the morning for the hangover.
Was anyone in any real contact with him?
You know, this could be him
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/sketchy-lawyer-billboards
How many one eyed lawyers can there be in the St.Louis area?
What makes you think he was a lawyer? :huh:
Generally convicted cons can't be admitted to the bar.
Quote from: Caliga on April 09, 2014, 12:54:01 PM
If I ever decide to quit Languish for good, that's what I'd do for sure.
I think that sucks. Just let people know you are going so they don't wonder what happened.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 09, 2014, 02:44:08 PM
Refresh me on who Savant was?
He was a business school professor in north carolina. I think he disappeared in the middle of some major event like the invasion of iraq and was on a posting binge, so I always wondered.
He had given me college related advice, so I have been looking out for him for a while.
Quote from: Barrister on April 09, 2014, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 09, 2014, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 09, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
I worry about Paul. Besides the steroids, he was bragging about getting into bar fights, putting away a fifth of whiskey a night in front of the TV, and gobbling Vicodin in the morning for the hangover.
Was anyone in any real contact with him?
You know, this could be him
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/sketchy-lawyer-billboards
How many one eyed lawyers can there be in the St.Louis area?
What makes you think he was a lawyer? :huh:
Generally convicted cons can't be admitted to the bar.
Indeed. The lawyers wouldn't want to admit someone so foolish as to be caught. The priesthood must maintain their high standards of unethical behavior.
Quote from: Barrister on April 09, 2014, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 09, 2014, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 09, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
I worry about Paul. Besides the steroids, he was bragging about getting into bar fights, putting away a fifth of whiskey a night in front of the TV, and gobbling Vicodin in the morning for the hangover.
Was anyone in any real contact with him?
You know, this could be him
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/sketchy-lawyer-billboards (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/sketchy-lawyer-billboards)
How many one eyed lawyers can there be in the St.Louis area?
What makes you think he was a lawyer? :huh:
Generally convicted cons can't be admitted to the bar.
He said he was a lawyer.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 09, 2014, 05:36:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 09, 2014, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 09, 2014, 03:55:34 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 09, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
I worry about Paul. Besides the steroids, he was bragging about getting into bar fights, putting away a fifth of whiskey a night in front of the TV, and gobbling Vicodin in the morning for the hangover.
Was anyone in any real contact with him?
You know, this could be him
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/sketchy-lawyer-billboards (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/sketchy-lawyer-billboards)
How many one eyed lawyers can there be in the St.Louis area?
What makes you think he was a lawyer? :huh:
Generally convicted cons can't be admitted to the bar.
He said he was a lawyer.
I don't think so...
I could have swore he was a lawyer. I do remember him getting his civil rights back.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 09, 2014, 05:18:06 PM
I think that sucks. Just let people know you are going so they don't wonder what happened.
I'm friended with alot of Languishites on FB so it would be obvious to a significant number of folks that I wasn't dead or whatever. If you're that concerned about it I would be happy to friend you. :)
Quote from: Caliga on April 09, 2014, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 09, 2014, 05:18:06 PM
I think that sucks. Just let people know you are going so they don't wonder what happened.
I'm friended with alot of Languishites on FB so it would be obvious to a significant number of folks that I wasn't dead or whatever. If you're that concerned about it I would be happy to friend you. :)
Why am I not your friend on facebook? :(
I don't remember Paul ever claiming to be a lawyer either. I thought he told us rather generically that he was a "businessman".
Quote from: Razgovory on April 09, 2014, 07:14:18 PM
Why am I not your friend on facebook? :(
We're friended. :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on April 09, 2014, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 09, 2014, 05:18:06 PM
I think that sucks. Just let people know you are going so they don't wonder what happened.
I'm friended with alot of Languishites on FB so it would be obvious to a significant number of folks that I wasn't dead or whatever. If you're that concerned about it I would be happy to friend you. :)
That probably wouldn't be a good idea. :)
I thought Paul was the one who was convicted for robbing 11 banks and had various substance abuse problems, and one eye. Maybe he went to law school and was a lawyer at one point but there's no way in hell any State bar's ethics committee or whatever wouldn't have expelled him for going away on multiple serious felony charges and there's no way a State bar would admit him for the first time if he went to school later in life or something either. I've heard about local lawyers in the newspaper being allowed to go back to practicing law after certain types of felonies, but these are usually like one time things where it probably never would have even been a felony in the first place for a regular citizen (would have been plead out) but a prosecutor was looking to make an example of someone. But someone who robs banks, no, I'd be very surprised if he could practice law in the United States.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 09, 2014, 09:01:48 AM
I remember Paul Atreides going on and on for page after page about how steroid use isn't bad for you. What is happening to wrestlers might be evidence to argue with him, but he isn't here anymore. I'm not sure that is a coincidence.
There's actually not a huge amount of evidence that regulated steroid use for muscle growth is seriously all that bad for you, at least that I've ever seen. I would suspect the many, many concussions wrestlers have and the repeat high-impact injuries and falls over 20-30 year careers actually probably has more to do with their horrible survival rate than steroids. It's basically like the situation with NFL guys who have any kind of lengthy career, it's known they're statistically likely to die a lot younger than the regular population. Except wrestling, because it
is scripted, guys can hang on for a lot longer even when they're physically iffy. I saw something once that said when Hogan does one of his matches (which I believe he still does every few years) he has to basically be injected with a cocktail of painkillers and other drugs just so he can move around the ring without collapsing from the extreme pain all over his body. A lot of wrestlers wrestle into their 40s and wrestle through minor injuries, and do 300+ shows a year so that's actually a lot worse than what NFL football puts you through. In that it happens much more often and since it isn't directly competitive you can still keep going even when you're physically questionable (whereas a lineman or something may play hurt with certain injuries but wrestlers regularly keep going with leg/back injuries that would make you unfit to play football.)
Also most wrestlers seem prone to extreme substance abuse issues as well for recreational drugs. And of course they're probably doing massive doses of steroids. Since they're illegal and the people pushing them are typically meat head gym rats very few people have any clue how to use them safely when they're using them for muscle growth. When you're using far more than you should (and far more than is even necessary) is when the really nasty side effects kick in (which is why I referenced regulated steroid use.) The 1970s era bodybuilders who all juiced (Schwarzenegger era guys) haven't as a rule had a lot of health problems. For one it was legal then, and they were receiving doses much lower than modern day steroid abusers. They also weren't into as much of the newer stuff that's been out and is frequently stacked with steroids. Modern day body builders put the steroid using guys from the 70s to shame mostly because of the explosion in growth hormone use.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 09, 2014, 09:26:33 PM
I thought Paul was the one who was convicted for robbing 11 banks and had various substance abuse problems, and one eye. Maybe he went to law school and was a lawyer at one point but there's no way in hell any State bar's ethics committee or whatever wouldn't have expelled him for going away on multiple serious felony charges and there's no way a State bar would admit him for the first time if he went to school later in life or something either. I've heard about local lawyers in the newspaper being allowed to go back to practicing law after certain types of felonies, but these are usually like one time things where it probably never would have even been a felony in the first place for a regular citizen (would have been plead out) but a prosecutor was looking to make an example of someone. But someone who robs banks, no, I'd be very surprised if he could practice law in the United States.
Well it is Missouri.
Quote from: Malthus on April 09, 2014, 03:33:04 PM
The only wrestler I remember from my days of being forced to watch wrestling by fellow employees was a guy named "The Booger" (I think), whose speciality was ... sitting on other wrestler's faces with his huge, fat, stinky ass. :yuk:
Bastion Booger. You'll be delighted to hear that he's also dead (age 53).
http://www.deadwrestlers.net/2010s.html
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 09, 2014, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 09, 2014, 09:01:48 AM
I remember Paul Atreides going on and on for page after page about how steroid use isn't bad for you. What is happening to wrestlers might be evidence to argue with him, but he isn't here anymore. I'm not sure that is a coincidence.
There's actually not a huge amount of evidence that regulated steroid use for muscle growth is seriously all that bad for you, at least that I've ever seen. I would suspect the many, many concussions wrestlers have and the repeat high-impact injuries and falls over 20-30 year careers actually probably has more to do with their horrible survival rate than steroids. It's basically like the situation with NFL guys who have any kind of lengthy career, it's known they're statistically likely to die a lot younger than the regular population. Except wrestling, because it is scripted, guys can hang on for a lot longer even when they're physically iffy. I saw something once that said when Hogan does one of his matches (which I believe he still does every few years) he has to basically be injected with a cocktail of painkillers and other drugs just so he can move around the ring without collapsing from the extreme pain all over his body. A lot of wrestlers wrestle into their 40s and wrestle through minor injuries, and do 300+ shows a year so that's actually a lot worse than what NFL football puts you through. In that it happens much more often and since it isn't directly competitive you can still keep going even when you're physically questionable (whereas a lineman or something may play hurt with certain injuries but wrestlers regularly keep going with leg/back injuries that would make you unfit to play football.)
Those are some good points. Also, these guys are not exactly well paid (a salary over a million is reserved for the best of the best), and their medical coverage sucks ass. And it's much worse in the smaller and independent leagues.
Quote from: Syt on April 09, 2014, 11:41:56 PM
Quote from: Malthus on April 09, 2014, 03:33:04 PM
The only wrestler I remember from my days of being forced to watch wrestling by fellow employees was a guy named "The Booger" (I think), whose speciality was ... sitting on other wrestler's faces with his huge, fat, stinky ass. :yuk:
Bastion Booger. You'll be delighted to hear that he's also dead (age 53).
http://www.deadwrestlers.net/2010s.html
Not "delighted". :huh: The man himself was, after all, an actor playing a role. The fact that his role was gross doesn't mean I should dislike the actor.
Ah, apologies. I took your post to be genuine disgust for the performer himself.
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Ultimate Warrior had by far the best promo videos. They just plain unnerved me as a lad: the stream of consciousness, invocation of "the gods," vague challenges to make extreme sacrifices and/or crash a plane -- it was a bit too heady for my disposition. But coming back to them on YouTube as an adult has been great.
Quote from: Syt on April 10, 2014, 08:23:50 AM
Ah, apologies. I took your post to be genuine disgust for the performer himself.
My disgust is reserved for the entertainment, not the entertainer. ;)
Man, in the late 90's when I was working nights, Monday night wrestling was about the only thing that kept us sane.
Sure we could have worked, but we'd rather watch Kevin Nash toss small Mexicans into trailers.
NWO FUCKERS
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 10, 2014, 08:32:12 AM
Man, in the late 90's when I was working nights, Monday night wrestling was about the only thing that kept us sane.
Sure we could have worked, but we'd rather watch Kevin Nash toss small Mexicans into trailers.
NWO FUCKERS
I am trying to imagine a job so shitty that watching "professional" wrestling would be a better alternative. My imagination fails. Sorry you had to go through that. :console:
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 10, 2014, 08:27:15 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Ultimate Warrior had by far the best promo videos. They just plain unnerved me as a lad: the stream of consciousness, invocation of "the gods," vague challenges to make extreme sacrifices and/or crash a plane -- it was a bit too heady for my disposition. But coming back to them on YouTube as an adult has been great.
That was because the guy was half crazy. Later he branched out to motivational speaking and paleoconservatism ranting.