http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/27/egypts-army-claims-it-found-cure-aids-hepatitis-c/
QuoteEgypt's army claims it found cure for AIDS, hepatitis C
The Egyptian military medical community claims it has found a cure for AIDS and hepatitis C.
"I defeated AIDS with the grace of my God at the rate of 100 percent. And I defeated hepatitis C," said Maj. Gen. Ibrahim Abdel-Atti, the head of the Cancer Treatment and Screening Center, in CNN.
It didn't take long for some in the medical world to erupt in criticism.
"I want to be clear and explicit — what has been said and published about the invention of the armed forces hurts the image of scientists and science in Egypt," said Essam Heggy, the scientific adviser to the president, in a statement to a local newspaper reported by CNN. He also said the announcement of a cure was a "scientific scandal" for Egypt.
The army medical community uses what's called a "Complete Cure Device" to draw blood from the patient. The disease in the drawn blood is then reportedly broken down, purified and put back in the patient, said Dr. Ihsan Hanfy Hussein, a member of Mr. Abdel-Atti's research team, in CNN.
"I will take the AIDS from the patient, and I will nourish the patient on the AIDS treatment," he said, in CNN. "I will give it to him like a skewer of Kofta [ground meat dish] to nourish him. I will take it away from him as a disease and give it back to him in the form of a cure. This is the greatest form of scientific breakthrough."
He said the cure can be completed in as little as 16 hours.
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I see the Egyptian army is as good at medicine as it is at warfare. Is there nothing it cannot do? :hmm:
Quote from: Syt on February 28, 2014, 10:28:45 AM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/27/egypts-army-claims-it-found-cure-aids-hepatitis-c/
"I will give it to him like a skewer of Kofta [ground meat dish] to nourish him. "
:pinch:
I could go for some köfte tonight.
Quote from: derspiess on February 28, 2014, 10:55:56 AM
Quote from: Syt on February 28, 2014, 10:28:45 AM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/27/egypts-army-claims-it-found-cure-aids-hepatitis-c/
"I will give it to him like a skewer of Kofta [ground meat dish] to nourish him. "
:pinch:
Yum-yum. Egyptian Army AIDS kabobs. :D
A bit more detail.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/egypt-unveil-device-detects-cures-aids
QuoteEgypt's military leaders unveil devices they claim can detect and cure Aids
Devices, made public by the chief army engineer, are dismissed by experts around the world and called 'shocking to scientists'
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General Abdel Fatah el-Sisi, who is expected to run for president of Egypt, attended the launch of the new device. Photograph: ITAR-TASS / Barcroft Media
Egypt's military leaders have come under ridicule after the chief army engineer unveiled what he described as a "miraculous" set of devices that detect and cure Aids, hepatitis and other viruses.
The claim, dismissed by experts and called "shocking to scientists" by the president's science adviser, strikes a blow to the army's carefully managed image as the saviour of the nation. It also comes as General Abdel Fatah el-Sisi, who toppled Mohammed Morsi in July after the Islamist leader ignored mass protests calling for him to step down, is expected to announce he will run for president.
The televised presentation – which was made to Sisi, the interim president Adly Mansour and other senior officials – raised concerns that the military's offer of seemingly inconceivable future devices will draw Egypt back into the broken promises of authoritarian rule, when Hosni Mubarak frequently announced grand initiatives that failed to meet expectations.
"The men of the armed forces have achieved a scientific leap by inventing the detecting devices," the military spokesman Colonel Ahmed Mohammed Ali wrote later on his official Facebook page. Ali said a patent has been filed under the name of the Armed Forces Engineering Agency.
Well-known writer Hamdi Rizk noted that video clips of the presentation had gone viral on social media, with tweets and blogs saying the military had made a fool of itself and put its reputation in jeopardy. "The marshal's camp has been dealt a deep moral defeat," he wrote in a column in Thursday's Al-Masry Al-Youm newspaper. "God give mercy to ... the reputation of the Egyptian army, which became the target of cyber shelling around the clock."
Professor Massimo Pinzani, a liver specialist and director of the Institute for Liver and Digestive Health at University College London, said he attended a demonstration of the devices during a visit to Egypt but "was not given convincing explanations about the technology" and was not allowed to try it for himself.
"As it is at present, the device is proposed without any convincing technical and scientific basis and until this is clearly provided it should be regarded as a potential fraud," he wrote in an email to The Associated Press. None of the research has been published in a reputable journal.
The uproar escalated when a scientific adviser to Egypt's interim President Adly Mansour denounced the claim and said it has no scientific base. "What has been said and published by the armed forces harms the image of the scientists and science in Egypt," Essam Heggy, a planetary scientist at the California Institute of Technology, told the daily newspaper El-Watan in remarks published on Wednesday. "All scientists inside and outside Egypt are in a state of shock."
He added that both Mansour and Sisi were surprised and their presence in the audience did not indicate approval. The furore started when major general Taher Abdullah, the head of the Engineering Agency in the Armed Forces, gave a widely televised presentation to Sisi and other senior officials on what he calls an "astonishing miraculous scientific invention."
Abdullah said two of the devices named C-Fast and I-Fast used electromagnetism to detect Aids, hepatitis and other viruses without taking blood samples while the third, named Complete Cure Device, acted as a dialysis unit to purify the blood. He also said the C-Fast, which looks like an antenna affixed to the handle of a blender, detected patients infected with viruses that cause hepatitis and Aids with a high success rate.
A short film aired during the presentation showed the engineering team's leader major general Ibrahim Abdel-Atti telling a patient: "All the results are great, showing you had Aids but you were cured. Thank God." The patient replies: "Thank God."
The next day, Abdel-Atti and his team held their own press conference at which the scientist said "I take Aids from the patient and nourish the patient on the Aids by giving him a skewer of Aids kofta". .
Gamal Shiha, head of the Association for Liver Patients Care, one of Egypt's prominent centres that worked alongside with the military, said he was angry about the "hasty" announcements. He said only one of the devices – C-Fast – underwent thorough testing.
Shiha said the C-Fast uses electromagnetic frequencies similar to those used in bomb detectors and radars and had been tested on more than 2,000 patients with a high success rate. "The technology of C-Fast is effective without doubt," he said. However, he dismissed the claims that the other two devices detect Aids and cure viruses.
Despite the scepticism, health ministry spokesman Mohammed Fathallah said the ministry recognises the devices as legitimate. Egypt's former Health Minister Amr Helmi, a liver surgeon by profession, said C-Fast had been approved by the ministry two years ago but he had never before heard of the other two devices.
For the general public, the uproar added to the uncertainty already fueled by years of turmoil since Mubarak's overthrow in February 2011. "I hope that the invention turns out to be true but I don't have confidence this is the case," said 35-year-old taxi driver Ahmed Morad. "I don't believe anyone ... everything is very confusing. It is like a salad."
Aids with just one capital letter looks a little odd.
Quote from: Syt on February 28, 2014, 10:28:45 AM
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“The army medical community uses what's called a "Complete Cure Device" to draw blood from the patient. The disease in the drawn blood is then reportedly broken down, purified and put back in the patient, said Dr. Ihsan Hanfy Hussein, a member of Mr. Abdel-Atti's research team, in CNN.
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They sure are going out of their way to make it sound like pseudo-scientific nonsense and they are quacks. Bad PR.
Wonder if this dude can do the autopsy on that Bigfoot corpse.
Has anyone thought to try leeches before? :hmm:
:rolleyes: I like how everyone's "just because they're Arabs they can't get anything right ever" and shit. Racists.
BREAKING NEWS: Device used by the Egyptian Army to cure AIDS, Hepatitis C disclosed!
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Quote from: Malthus on February 28, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
I see the Egyptian army is as good at medicine as it is at warfare. Is there nothing it cannot do? :hmm:
I was at the Egyptian Army Museum in the Cairo Citadel. There I learned the Egyptian Army won the war in 1973 and El Alamein.
The Museum had a thorough coverage of the entire history of they Egyptian armed forces since the Islamic conquest, with the exception of 5 June to 10 June 1967, during which NOTHING HAPPENED!!
Doesn't Egypt have the most pathetic military record of any nation in the last, um, 2,000 years? It doesn't have enough wood for a real navy or pasture for horses so they just get slaughtered.
Quote from: Queequeg on February 28, 2014, 05:25:40 PM
Doesn't Egypt have the most pathetic military record of any nation in the last, um, 2,000 years? It doesn't have enough wood for a real navy or pasture for horses so they just get slaughtered.
Dude, they beat the Mongols.
A tiny ruling clique of Circassians and proto-Tatars won that.
Um, Italy?
Italy wasn't a country until 1871. If you want to get technical Germany's record might actually be the worst, but no one would accuse them of martial incompetence.
Quote from: Queequeg on February 28, 2014, 05:35:25 PM
If you want to get technical Germany's record might actually be the worst, but no one would accuse them of martial incompetence.
Many do, actually. They did lose a couple World Wars.
Egypt did pretty good under Ali in the 19th century.
Quote from: derspiess on February 28, 2014, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 28, 2014, 05:35:25 PM
If you want to get technical Germany's record might actually be the worst, but no one would accuse them of martial incompetence.
Many do, actually. They did lose a couple World Wars.
Neither Italy nor Egypt has produced a Guderian or von Manstein in a very, very long time.
Quote from: PDH on February 28, 2014, 05:39:09 PM
Egypt did pretty good under Ali in the 19th century.
Albanian.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 28, 2014, 05:31:14 PM
Dude, they beat the Mongols.
Sort of they beat a tiny rump force while the main army was off fighting the civil war that broke up their empire. But still good for them.
Quote from: Queequeg on February 28, 2014, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: PDH on February 28, 2014, 05:39:09 PM
Egypt did pretty good under Ali in the 19th century.
Albanian.
Well he might have been but he did not exactly have a massive Albanian army backing him up.
Quote from: Queequeg on February 28, 2014, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 28, 2014, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 28, 2014, 05:35:25 PM
If you want to get technical Germany's record might actually be the worst, but no one would accuse them of martial incompetence.
Many do, actually. They did lose a couple World Wars.
Neither Italy nor Egypt has produced a Guderian or von Manstein in a very, very long time.
Not saying I agree with it-- just that I've heard the argument made.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 28, 2014, 05:33:23 PM
Um, Italy?
had some successful dreadnought designs, and the
garibaldi armored cruiser was pretty good
Quote from: Queequeg on February 28, 2014, 05:25:40 PM
Doesn't Egypt have the most pathetic military record of any nation in the last, um, 2,000 years? It doesn't have enough wood for a real navy or pasture for horses so they just get slaughtered.
Egypt didn't really have it's own indigenous military for most of those 2,000 years. For most of that period Egypt has had Roman, Arab or Slave Soldier armies; even for the 300 years before the start of this 2000 year period they had a Macedonian Army.
But, if you want to count the non-coptic warrior over-classes the battle Creasy missed from his 15 battles,Ain Jalut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ain_Jalut), is one of the most significant battles in world history and quite possibly saved Islamic Civilization, allowing the mongols and turks time to convert to islam.
:mad: Good fucking job.
Quote from: Viking on February 28, 2014, 05:00:24 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 28, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
I see the Egyptian army is as good at medicine as it is at warfare. Is there nothing it cannot do? :hmm:
I was at the Egyptian Army Museum in the Cairo Citadel. There I learned the Egyptian Army won the war in 1973 and El Alamein.
The Museum had a thorough coverage of the entire history of they Egyptian armed forces since the Islamic conquest, with the exception of 5 June to 10 June 1967, during which NOTHING HAPPENED!!
I went to that museum too, back in the glorious days of Mubarak. I wondered if it changed during the rule by the Muslim Brotherhood (probably not, or at least not for the better.)
When I was in the citadel a pair of young girls (they were probably about twelve) came up to me. The first one practiced her English; the other handed me a handful of flowers, blushed scarlet and ran away (with her friend chasing after her.) I am Savonarola, heart stealer of Arabia!
That sounds......really charming actually.
When I went to a Museum in Mardin all the kids started taking pictures of me. They'd never seen a sunburned 6'3 blonde man before.
Quote from: derspiess on February 28, 2014, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 28, 2014, 05:35:25 PM
If you want to get technical Germany's record might actually be the worst, but no one would accuse them of martial incompetence.
Many do, actually. They did lose a couple World Wars.
But they were competently fought. Their strategies failed, but that doesn't make them 'bad at war'.
Quote from: Neil on March 01, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 28, 2014, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 28, 2014, 05:35:25 PM
If you want to get technical Germany's record might actually be the worst, but no one would accuse them of martial incompetence.
Many do, actually. They did lose a couple World Wars.
But they were competently fought. Their strategies failed, but that doesn't make them 'bad at war'.
Well, if you include "the ability to evaluate your chances of success in a war you start" in being good/bad at war, then, yes, they suck at war.
Come on now, even the most skilled fighter in the world would lose when an elephant and a bunch of flailing midgets pile onto him.
Quote from: Neil on March 01, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
But they were competently fought. Their strategies failed, but that doesn't make them 'bad at war'.
They are horrible at wars, just good at fighting.
Quote from: Valmy on March 01, 2014, 02:13:13 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 01, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
But they were competently fought. Their strategies failed, but that doesn't make them 'bad at war'.
They are horrible at wars, just good at fighting.
They won a lot of wars prior to 1914.
Quote from: Neil on March 01, 2014, 03:26:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 01, 2014, 02:13:13 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 01, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
But they were competently fought. Their strategies failed, but that doesn't make them 'bad at war'.
They are horrible at wars, just good at fighting.
They won a lot of wars prior to 1914.
Against natives and shit?
And the French.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 01, 2014, 09:59:36 PM
And the French.
That was The Kingdom of Prussia and the German Customs Union. Germany was proclaimed at Versailles once the war was already won.
Quote from: Viking on March 01, 2014, 10:03:13 PMThat was The Kingdom of Prussia and the German Customs Union. Germany was proclaimed at Versailles once the war was already won.
german military analyzed the hell out of the franco-prussian war and correctly envisioned the future of warfare. the effectiveness of the boer tactics in the second boer war didn't surprise them - it confirmed their suspicions. so, germany was quite excellent at war. circumstances prevented them from winning
Quote from: Viking on March 01, 2014, 10:03:13 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 01, 2014, 09:59:36 PM
And the French.
That was The Kingdom of Prussia and the German Customs Union. Germany was proclaimed at Versailles once the war was already won.
It's still Germany.
Quote from: Neil on March 01, 2014, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 01, 2014, 10:03:13 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 01, 2014, 09:59:36 PM
And the French.
That was The Kingdom of Prussia and the German Customs Union. Germany was proclaimed at Versailles once the war was already won.
It's still Germany.
Oh so we can include the centuries of the Holy Roman Empire micro-states getting steam rolled by everybody?
Quote from: Valmy on March 02, 2014, 01:23:24 AM
Oh so we can include the centuries of the Holy Roman Empire micro-states getting steam rolled by everybody?
As long as you keep the respective sizes of the adversaries in mind, sure. The Palatinate is a good enough proxy for how a Palatinate-sized Germany would perform. Prussia-sized Germany did rather well.
Quote from: Malthus on February 28, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
I see the Egyptian army is as good at medicine as it is at warfare. Is there nothing it cannot do? :hmm:
Don't forget, they won the Ramadamn War.
Quote from: garbon on February 28, 2014, 11:07:20 AM
Aids with just one capital letter looks a little odd.
Did you check for other meaning of aids?
They might be talking of something else.
They are arabs after all.
Quote from: Siege on March 02, 2014, 03:58:53 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 28, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
I see the Egyptian army is as good at medicine as it is at warfare. Is there nothing it cannot do? :hmm:
Don't forget, they won the Ramadamn War.
Is that some subtle joke about how the Egytian 3rd Army had to fast during the day (and the night for that matter) until they surrendered?
Quote from: Viking on March 02, 2014, 04:04:15 PM
Quote from: Siege on March 02, 2014, 03:58:53 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 28, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
I see the Egyptian army is as good at medicine as it is at warfare. Is there nothing it cannot do? :hmm:
Don't forget, they won the Ramadamn War.
Is that some subtle joke about how the Egytian 3rd Army had to fast during the day (and the night for that matter) until they surrendered?
Oh no. That would be too clever for me.
Its a not too subtle joke about how the Egyptians have claimed for all these years they won the Yom Kippur War, which they call the Ramadan War.
Entire generations of Egyptians believe they won. Their TV shows, school books, songs, everything, tells them they won heroically, outnumbered and out-teched, against the evil Israeli war machine.
Only the Egyptian soldiers that were there know the truth, as they also know they can't talk about it.
It does seem counter-intuitive that Jewish boys would somehow kick ass. OTOH "Arab sports heroes" is even thinner.
Quote from: Siege on March 02, 2014, 04:12:41 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 02, 2014, 04:04:15 PM
Quote from: Siege on March 02, 2014, 03:58:53 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 28, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
I see the Egyptian army is as good at medicine as it is at warfare. Is there nothing it cannot do? :hmm:
Don't forget, they won the Ramadamn War.
Is that some subtle joke about how the Egytian 3rd Army had to fast during the day (and the night for that matter) until they surrendered?
Oh no. That would be too clever for me.
Its a not too subtle joke about how the Egyptians have claimed for all these years they won the Yom Kippur War, which they call the Ramadan War.
Entire generations of Egyptians believe they won. Their TV shows, school books, songs, everything, tells them they won heroically, outnumbered and out-teched, against the evil Israeli war machine.
Only the Egyptian soldiers that were there know the truth, as they also know they can't talk about it.
Having lived in Egypt I can confirm that this is the case. I can also confirm that talking politics with arabs is always a bad idea. Not because they are irrational, abrasive and maniacally prideful, not because at some point in every argument I get provoked into using the argument, "this is what your government TV tells you right? Well your government TV also tells you that your president/king isn't a corrupt cleptocrat", at which point my interlocutor gets very nervous looks around says "president/king is a good man" and never talks to me again.