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Title: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: garbon on June 03, 2009, 11:37:09 AM
Nothing came up on a search of Languish so...

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a157792/scott-new-alien-film-to-be-prequel.html

QuoteTony Scott has revealed that the proposed new Alien film will be a prequel.

The producer of the upcoming movie said that he expects the franchise reboot to begin filming "hopefully [by] the end of the year" but was unsure if it would be on the calendar as a summer 2011 release.

Scott also confirmed that Carl Rinsch would take over directorial duties from his brother Ridley, who directed the original film in 1979 and will oversee the current project.

He told Collider: "Yes, Carl Rinsch is going to do the prequel to Alien. He's one of our directors at our company."

There is speculation as to whether the prequel will focus on the events leading up to the first film, with a spaceship loaded with alien eggs crash landing on a remote planet, to be discovered by the crew of the Nostromo.

The Alien franchise has made $850 million at the worldwide box office.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 11:38:06 AM
Prequels. :bleeding:
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Warspite on June 03, 2009, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 11:38:06 AM
Prequels. :bleeding:

+ :bleeding:
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Neil on June 03, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
The entire 'reboot' craze shows a complete lack of creativity and innovation in our culture.  Soon, the West will be finished.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Cerr on June 03, 2009, 11:50:14 AM
Quote from: Warspite on June 03, 2009, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 11:38:06 AM
Prequels. :bleeding:

+ :bleeding:
+ :bleeding::bleeding:

Are there any good prequels?
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
They've raped this series to death already, why do they keep molesting the corpse!? :bleeding:

If only they'd stay true to the AVP comics.  :(
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Grey Fox on June 03, 2009, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 03, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
The entire 'reboot' craze shows a complete lack of creativity and innovation in our culture.  Soon, the West will be finished.

Short term gain is all that counts. It's rampant in our society from Banks to Entertainment business.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Cerr on June 03, 2009, 11:54:51 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 03, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
The entire 'reboot' craze shows a complete lack of creativity and innovation in our culture.  Soon, the West will be finished.
I think people are still coming up with original ideas but producers see prequels and reboots as safer options.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: saskganesh on June 03, 2009, 11:57:15 AM
actually, I think this one could work.

... any good prequels?

Godfather II?
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on June 03, 2009, 11:57:15 AM
actually, I think this one could work.

... any good prequels?

Godfather II?

That was a sprequel since it had events that took place after the original Godfather as well.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Josquius on June 03, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 03, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
The entire 'reboot' craze shows a complete lack of creativity and innovation in our culture.  Soon, the West will be finished.
Or we'll reboot and start carving up other lands once again.

But myeh.

Reboots...The idea is bad but a lot of the results have been pretty good.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Cerr on June 03, 2009, 12:00:59 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on June 03, 2009, 11:57:15 AM
... any good prequels?

Godfather II?
Don't think that counts,  doesn't the majority of the film take place after the first one?
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Neil on June 03, 2009, 12:01:12 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on June 03, 2009, 11:57:15 AM
actually, I think this one could work.

... any good prequels?

Godfather II?
Which was a sequel.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: garbon on June 03, 2009, 12:01:56 PM
I'd like it if they made a horror film a la the original Alien.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Neil on June 03, 2009, 12:03:28 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
If only they'd stay true to the AVP comics.  :(
They weren't that great.

I think that Alien3 pretty much finished the franchise.  The damnable part of it is that Alien3 was actually a pretty good film, it's just that it was raping and killing Hicks, Bishop and Newt.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 12:03:59 PM
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom takes place before Raiders of the Lost Ark.  While not as good as the original, it did give us a fascinating view of Indian civilization and cuisine.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Neil on June 03, 2009, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 03, 2009, 12:01:56 PM
I'd like it if they made a horror film a la the original Alien.
Not a good idea.  Do you really want to see Aliens as a teen slasher flick?
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: DisturbedPervert on June 03, 2009, 12:07:07 PM
As long as they don't fuck up the upcoming PC games I'll be content.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on June 03, 2009, 12:07:13 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
They've raped this series to death already, why do they keep molesting the corpse!? :bleeding:

If only they'd stay true to the AVP comics.  :(
Or the Green Lantern versus Alien ones. :(
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Neil on June 03, 2009, 12:07:36 PM
Quote from: Cerr on June 03, 2009, 11:54:51 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 03, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
The entire 'reboot' craze shows a complete lack of creativity and innovation in our culture.  Soon, the West will be finished.
I think people are still coming up with original ideas but producers see prequels and reboots as safer options.
Because that's what people like.  And because of that, the West will fall and something new will take our place.  And that new thing will brutalize Martinus.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: fhdz on June 03, 2009, 12:10:14 PM
Quote"Yes, Carl Rinsch is going to do the prequel to Alien. He's one of our directors at our company."

Could there be a more glowing endorsement of this man?
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 03, 2009, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: Cerr on June 03, 2009, 11:50:14 AM
Are there any good prequels?

The Magician's Nephew. Though it's possible they'll screw up the film version.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: garbon on June 03, 2009, 12:13:04 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 03, 2009, 12:06:59 PM
Not a good idea.  Do you really want to see Aliens as a teen slasher flick?

Well I meant in the same way, as well.  That type of horror film, not Saw #109 type horror.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Neil on June 03, 2009, 12:15:11 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 03, 2009, 12:13:04 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 03, 2009, 12:06:59 PM
Not a good idea.  Do you really want to see Aliens as a teen slasher flick?

Well I meant in the same way, as well.  That type of horror film, not Saw #109 type horror.
I'm pretty sure everyone who knew how to make good horror movies has been purged.  Murder porn is the new horror.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Grallon on June 03, 2009, 12:23:03 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 03, 2009, 11:49:58 AM
The entire 'reboot' craze shows a complete lack of creativity and innovation in our culture.  Soon, the West will be finished.


More like the out-of-control consumerism I've been decrying for ages.  Still, wouldn't like to walk the streets of ruined cities?  Mind you Montreal is already starting to look like a 3rd World city :P

As for this, it could be interesting if it's well done.  Not impossible so long as the script is coherent and there's no reference to Ripley.



G.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: garbon on June 03, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 03, 2009, 12:15:11 PM
I'm pretty sure everyone who knew how to make good horror movies has been purged.  Murder porn is the new horror.

One can hope. :weep:
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on June 03, 2009, 12:31:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 03, 2009, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: Cerr on June 03, 2009, 11:50:14 AM
Are there any good prequels?

The Magician's Nephew. Though it's possible they'll screw up the film version.
Silmarillion too.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on June 03, 2009, 12:31:51 PM
hmmm wait and see.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Grallon on June 03, 2009, 12:35:23 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 03, 2009, 12:31:31 PM

Silmarillion too.


This will not happen so long as Christopher Tolkien is alive.  He's always refused to sell the rights - more's the pity.  But then again who could make movies worthy of the stories in that book ? 



G.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Neil on June 03, 2009, 01:11:33 PM
Quote from: Grallon on June 03, 2009, 12:23:03 PM
More like the out-of-control consumerism I've been decrying for ages.  Still, wouldn't like to walk the streets of ruined cities?  Mind you Montreal is already starting to look like a 3rd World city :P
I don't understand how out of control consumerism is to blame for this.  Even back in the glory days of whatever kind of cinema you actually liked, movies that people wanted to see got made.  The failing isn't in the system, or the producers, but in us.

Besides, the cities won't be ruined in the short term.  They'll simply be inhabited by modern savages who will be less and less able to understand the principles that allow modern life.  Eventually, things will break down and they won't be able to fix them, but that will take generations.  Barbarism starts as a social phenomenon and moves from there.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on June 03, 2009, 01:13:05 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 03, 2009, 01:11:33 PM
Quote from: Grallon on June 03, 2009, 12:23:03 PM
More like the out-of-control consumerism I've been decrying for ages.  Still, wouldn't like to walk the streets of ruined cities?  Mind you Montreal is already starting to look like a 3rd World city :P
I don't understand how out of control consumerism is to blame for this.  Even back in the glory days of whatever kind of cinema you actually liked, movies that people wanted to see got made.  The failing isn't in the system, or the producers, but in us.

Besides, the cities won't be ruined in the short term.  They'll simply be inhabited by modern savages who will be less and less able to understand the principles that allow modern life.  Eventually, things will break down and they won't be able to fix them, but that will take generations.  Barbarism starts as a social phenomenon and moves from there.
True. 
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 01:16:52 PM
So if the only good prequels we can come up are Godfather II and The Magician's Nephew, it shows that prequels suck so much it takes Francis Ford Coppola or C.S. Lewis to make a good one.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 01:25:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 01:16:52 PM
So if the only good prequels we can come up are Godfather II and The Magician's Nephew, it shows that prequels suck so much it takes Francis Ford Coppola or C.S. Lewis to make a good one.

The Good, The Band and The Ugly is a prequel; unless you believe Sergio Leone when he said that Clint Eastwood plays three different characters in the three films.

Amityville II is a prequel and a quality example of no rules cinema. :cool:
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Neil on June 03, 2009, 01:45:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 01:16:52 PM
So if the only good prequels we can come up are Godfather II and The Magician's Nephew, it shows that prequels suck so much it takes Francis Ford Coppola or C.S. Lewis to make a good one.
Except that the Godfather II wasn't a real prequel and the Magicians Nephew isn't a film.  So that still leaves the film industry without a truly great prequel.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 01:51:56 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 01:25:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 01:16:52 PM
So if the only good prequels we can come up are Godfather II and The Magician's Nephew, it shows that prequels suck so much it takes Francis Ford Coppola or C.S. Lewis to make a good one.

The Good, The Band and The Ugly is a prequel; unless you believe Sergio Leone when he said that Clint Eastwood plays three different characters in the three films.

Amityville II is a prequel and a quality example of no rules cinema. :cool:

I don't know if "episodic" works really count as prequels - works that may involve the same character but display no particular character development or no carryover in terms of storyline from one work to another.

And Neil, while I agree it's hard to call GFII a prequel I'm allowing it to show just how exceptional it is.

And I would include books in the general suckitude of prequels.  For some reason I'm thinking of the multitude of Dragonlance Prequels that were written. :bleeding:
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 01:51:56 PM
I don't know if "episodic" works really count as prequels - works that may involve the same character but display no particular character development or no carryover in terms of storyline from one work to another.

The Good, The Bad and the Ugly" features major character development; the serape The Man With No Name picks up is his most defining feature of his personality in the next two films.   ;)

Quote
And I would include books in the general suckitude of prequels.  For some reason I'm thinking of the multitude of Dragonlance Prequels that were written. :bleeding:

If we include books then "Wide Sargasso Sea" and "Wicked" are prequels to "Jane Eyre" and "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" respectively.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 03, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
The Good, The Bad and the Ugly" features major character development; the serape The Man With No Name picks up is his most defining feature of his personality in the next two films.   ;)

But Lee van Cleef gets killed, so it can't be the first.  :D
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 02:08:42 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 03, 2009, 02:06:21 PM


But Lee van Cleef gets killed, so it can't be the first.  :D

His personality changed too; maybe he became a revenant between The Good, The Bad and the Ugly and For a Few Dollars More.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 02:11:34 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 01:51:56 PM
I don't know if "episodic" works really count as prequels - works that may involve the same character but display no particular character development or no carryover in terms of storyline from one work to another.

The Good, The Bad and the Ugly" features major character development; the serape The Man With No Name picks up is his most defining feature of his personality in the next two films.   ;)

Quote
And I would include books in the general suckitude of prequels.  For some reason I'm thinking of the multitude of Dragonlance Prequels that were written. :bleeding:

If we include books then "Wide Sargasso Sea" and "Wicked" are prequels to "Jane Eyre" and "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" respectively.

I'll let the first comment stand as proof of the point I was already making.  :p

I don't know those books.  Are they exceptions to the "prequels=teh suck" hypothesis or not?
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: The Brain on June 03, 2009, 02:12:53 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 03, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
The Good, The Bad and the Ugly" features major character development; the serape The Man With No Name picks up is his most defining feature of his personality in the next two films.   ;)

But Lee van Cleef gets killed, so it can't be the first.  :D

Are you joking?
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 03, 2009, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 02:11:34 PM
I don't know those books.  Are they exceptions to the "prequels=teh suck" hypothesis or not?

Wicked was great, kind of a stretch to call it a prequel to Wizard of Oz though.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Syt on June 03, 2009, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
The Good, The Bad and the Ugly" features major character development; the serape The Man With No Name picks up is his most defining feature of his personality in the next two films.   ;)

I thought they were seperate films with more or less the same characters but not at all connected (at least as per Leone's intention)?
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Berkut on June 03, 2009, 02:25:30 PM
But the last three Star Wars movies were all prequels, so clearly it is possible...
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: ulmont on June 03, 2009, 02:32:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 02:11:34 PM
I don't know those books.  Are they exceptions to the "prequels=teh suck" hypothesis or not?

They aren't really prequels, they are (radically) different viewpoints for the same characters.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Ed Anger on June 03, 2009, 02:33:09 PM
As long as they don't fuck with Aliens.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Syt on June 03, 2009, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 03, 2009, 02:33:09 PM
As long as they don't fuck with Aliens.

HICKS IS A MAN!
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Ed Anger on June 03, 2009, 02:39:49 PM
Quote from: Syt on June 03, 2009, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 03, 2009, 02:33:09 PM
As long as they don't fuck with Aliens.

HICKS IS A MAN!

Damn right. Apone is black.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Neil on June 03, 2009, 02:41:12 PM
Quote from: Syt on June 03, 2009, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 03, 2009, 02:33:09 PM
As long as they don't fuck with Aliens.

HICKS IS A MAN!
And that's the problem.  Hicks will make sweet love to Hudson in Brokeback Aliens.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: saskganesh on June 03, 2009, 02:44:10 PM
got one.

zulu dawn.

Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Ed Anger on June 03, 2009, 02:45:42 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on June 03, 2009, 02:44:10 PM
got one.

zulu dawn.

Worth it, as red coated Imperialist Warmongers get mowed down by the noble savage.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: saskganesh on June 03, 2009, 02:51:51 PM
exactly.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say: Best Prequel of All Time :bowler:
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: grumbler on June 03, 2009, 02:54:33 PM
Babaylon 5: In the Beginning didn't suck, and it was a prequel.

Many novel series have started as single books and then turned into series, so that some of the succeeding books were in fact prequels.  The Horatio Hornblower novels spring to mind as having prequels that were good. 

Similarly, the first TV series of Rumpole of the Bailey constituted a prequel to the Plays for Today BBC production of Rumpole of the Bailey, as they took place in the 1960s and early 1970s, compared to 1975 for the first work.

I will agree that prequels in general are usually inferior, but would also agree that sequels in general are inferior.  It is human nature to take more care with something that will establish a reoputation than something that will simply maintain it.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Syt on June 03, 2009, 03:00:14 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 03, 2009, 02:41:12 PM
And that's the problem.  Hicks will make sweet love to Hudson male, sensitive Vazquez in Brokeback Aliens.

FYP :bleeding:

Hudson will really be a woman, though, rendering another classic quote a parody of itself. :weep:
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Sheilbh on June 03, 2009, 03:03:58 PM
Does Batman Begins count?  It may not have been as good as Batman Returns but it's better than Batman.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Ed Anger on June 03, 2009, 03:05:07 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 03, 2009, 03:03:58 PM
Does Batman Begins count?  It may not have been as good as Batman Returns but it's better than Batman.

Too much Christian Bale.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:06:37 PM
When they make a live-action movie version of The Hobbit, it will be a prequel.  :lol:
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on June 03, 2009, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:06:37 PM
When they make a live-action movie version of The Hobbit, it will be a prequel.  :lol:
Hobbit was written (Or at least published) first if I recall. 
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 03, 2009, 03:08:14 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 03, 2009, 03:03:58 PM
Does Batman Begins count?  It may not have been as good as Batman Returns but it's better than Batman.

No, series reboot.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 03, 2009, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:06:37 PM
When they make a live-action movie version of The Hobbit, it will be a prequel.  :lol:
Hobbit was written (Or at least published) first if I recall.

I know; hence the [ :lol:].

TLotR is an example of a sequel that outshone the original book; thus it was made into a movie first, and in the movie version, it will appear to be a "prequel" when in fact the book was published first.

May be unique in this respect.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 03, 2009, 03:15:52 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
[TLotR is an example of a sequel that outshone the original book; thus it was made into a movie first, and in the movie version, it will appear to be a "prequel" when in fact the book was published first.

May be unique in this respect.

Is LOTR really a sequel though? I thought Tolkien worked on it for decades.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: lustindarkness on June 03, 2009, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 03, 2009, 02:25:30 PM
But the last three Star Wars movies were all prequels, so clearly it is possible...
Not really a good example. :D
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: The Brain on June 03, 2009, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 03, 2009, 03:03:58 PM
Does Batman Begins count?  It may not have been as good as Batman Returns but it's better than Batman.

Batman Begins blows.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 03, 2009, 03:15:52 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
[TLotR is an example of a sequel that outshone the original book; thus it was made into a movie first, and in the movie version, it will appear to be a "prequel" when in fact the book was published first.

May be unique in this respect.

Is LOTR really a sequel though? I thought Tolkien worked on it for decades.

Why would that not make it a sequel? It was published after the Hobbit, and continues the narrative (if not the tone) of the earlier work.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on June 03, 2009, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 03, 2009, 02:25:30 PM
But the last three Star Wars movies were all prequels, so clearly it is possible...
Not really a good example. :D

I take it tongue was planted firmly in cheek.  :lol:
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: The Brain on June 03, 2009, 03:22:36 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 03, 2009, 03:15:52 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
[TLotR is an example of a sequel that outshone the original book; thus it was made into a movie first, and in the movie version, it will appear to be a "prequel" when in fact the book was published first.

May be unique in this respect.

Is LOTR really a sequel though? I thought Tolkien worked on it for decades.

Why would that not make it a sequel? It was published after the Hobbit, and continues the narrative (if not the tone) of the earlier work.

He worked on it for decades! :mad:
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 03, 2009, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
Why would that not make it a sequel? It was published after the Hobbit, and continues the narrative (if not the tone) of the earlier work.

Because conceptually it came first, so in a sense the Hobbit is really the prequel. /shrug
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 03:42:41 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 03, 2009, 02:54:33 PM
Babaylon 5: In the Beginning didn't suck, and it was a prequel.

Many novel series have started as single books and then turned into series, so that some of the succeeding books were in fact prequels.  The Horatio Hornblower novels spring to mind as having prequels that were good. 

Similarly, the first TV series of Rumpole of the Bailey constituted a prequel to the Plays for Today BBC production of Rumpole of the Bailey, as they took place in the 1960s and early 1970s, compared to 1975 for the first work.

I will agree that prequels in general are usually inferior, but would also agree that sequels in general are inferior.  It is human nature to take more care with something that will establish a reoputation than something that will simply maintain it.

I wasn't a fan of In The Beginning.  It didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know based on the series, and seemed to just re-use a great many shots and sequences we'd already seen.

Horatio Hornblower and Rumpole again are more example of a recurring character than an ongoing series with sequels / prequels (I've only ever read one HH book, and only read Rumpole books at all, so correct me if I'm wrong).
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: grumbler on June 03, 2009, 03:50:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 03, 2009, 03:15:52 PM
Is LOTR really a sequel though? I thought Tolkien worked on it for decades.
Tolkien was only really writing the Silmarilian, and wrote out his expansion of the Tom Bombadil stores that became The Hobbit purely to amuse his children.  LotR was a concious effort to create a popular novel out of the more publishable portions of the Silmarillian.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: The Brain on June 03, 2009, 03:51:17 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 03, 2009, 03:50:12 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 03, 2009, 03:15:52 PM
Is LOTR really a sequel though? I thought Tolkien worked on it for decades.
Tolkien was only really writing the Silmarilian, and wrote out his expansion of the Tom Bombadil stores that became The Hobbit purely to amuse his children.  LotR was a concious effort to create a popular novel out of the more publishable portions of the Silmarillian.

:yes: The unpublishable parts are pretty steamy.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: grumbler on June 03, 2009, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 03:42:41 PM
I wasn't a fan of In The Beginning.  It didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know based on the series, and seemed to just re-use a great many shots and sequences we'd already seen.
Remember that In the Beginning was designed to introduce the viewers on TNT to the B5 stories that TNT had acquired as a result of their decision to pick up B5 for the fifth season.  It served that purpose pretty well, and I thought it was quite a good story, even if we knew about most of it already.

The only re-used footage was of the Battle of the Line, and that was done because TNT didn't want to pay to bring O'Hare back to film the material afresh.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 04:01:55 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 03, 2009, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 03:42:41 PM
I wasn't a fan of In The Beginning.  It didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know based on the series, and seemed to just re-use a great many shots and sequences we'd already seen.
Remember that In the Beginning was designed to introduce the viewers on TNT to the B5 stories that TNT had acquired as a result of their decision to pick up B5 for the fifth season.  It served that purpose pretty well, and I thought it was quite a good story, even if we knew about most of it already.

The only re-used footage was of the Battle of the Line, and that was done because TNT didn't want to pay to bring O'Hare back to film the material afresh.

I didn't know that.  I wasn't able to watch B5 as it was coming out, instead I only really got to watch the series a year or two later when the Space cable channel came into existence.

It may well have served that purpose - I have no reason to doubt you, and I guess it's not a terrible mid-way refresher.  But that doesn't mean that it's all that great as a stand-alone product if you have seen everything else.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Siege on June 03, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
I want a Halo movie!  :mad:




Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 04:15:45 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 03, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
I want a Halo movie!  :mad:

Siegey brings up a good point.

The only kind of movie worse than a prequel is a movie based on a video game.  :bleeding:
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Savonarola on June 03, 2009, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 04:15:45 PM

Siegey brings up a good point.

The only kind of movie worse than a prequel is a movie based on a video game.  :bleeding:

Oh, I don't know, this one wasn't so bad:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F516HFJMZ2GL._SL500_AA240_.jpg&hash=6b80efa762a6f2fe685d7c8d4db6b5cbeeff82b3)
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Neil on June 03, 2009, 04:27:24 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 03, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
I want a Halo movie!  :mad:
I don't think it's possible to make a good movie based on Halo, unless MS buys a studio.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Siege on June 03, 2009, 04:41:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 03, 2009, 04:27:24 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 03, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
I want a Halo movie!  :mad:
I don't think it's possible to make a good movie based on Halo, unless MS buys a studio.

I think a movie based on the "Halo Universe", telling the story of the Covenant War (or the War of Reclamation, if you hate humans), could potentially be pretty good.

Something like an screen version of "Contact Harvest", the story of the first contact with the Covenant, some 30 years before the games' timeline.



Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 04:53:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 03, 2009, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: Malthus on June 03, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
Why would that not make it a sequel? It was published after the Hobbit, and continues the narrative (if not the tone) of the earlier work.

Because conceptually it came first, so in a sense the Hobbit is really the prequel. /shrug

My impression was that the Simarillion came first, and both the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings are outgrowths of that.

Edit: much as Grumbler already said.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2009, 05:30:30 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 03, 2009, 04:15:45 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 03, 2009, 04:04:36 PM
I want a Halo movie!  :mad:

Siegey brings up a good point.

The only kind of movie worse than a prequel is a movie based on a video game.  :bleeding:
Isn't that because most (maybe all?) haven't been given the A treatment. Hell, the entire genre's been desecrated by the likes of Uwe Boll.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: grumbler on June 03, 2009, 08:58:24 PM
I still say that, with the right lead, some of the Honor Harrington novels could be terrific movies.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Siege on June 03, 2009, 10:48:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 03, 2009, 08:58:24 PM
I still say that, with the right lead, some of the Honor Harrington novels could be terrific movies.

I agree.

Sandra Bullocks would look pretty close to the mental image I have of that bitch.

Though they would probably have to drop the Warshaski sails. That's pretty stupid.

Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Neil on June 04, 2009, 07:39:15 AM
Quote from: Siege on June 03, 2009, 10:48:19 PM
Though they would probably have to drop the Warshaski sails. That's pretty stupid.
Ah.  So you're the person responsible for ruining everything interesting or cool that gets brought to the silver screen.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Ed Anger on June 04, 2009, 08:30:10 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 03, 2009, 08:58:24 PM
I still say that, with the right lead, some of the Honor Harrington novels could be terrific movies.

I'd laugh if the infodumps was left in.

Hard. I'd even pay to watch that.
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on June 04, 2009, 11:40:52 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 04, 2009, 08:30:10 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 03, 2009, 08:58:24 PM
I still say that, with the right lead, some of the Honor Harrington novels could be terrific movies.

I'd laugh if the infodumps was left in.

Hard. I'd even pay to watch that.
I love the novels, it would be funny as hell if they did a Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy style break to go over some bit of technological arcana every now and again. 

"The Encyclopedia Galactica sites the Second Battle of Bestel as the first time .3c missiles were deployed against stationary space structures using the MegaCorp XL35 synthsteel armor."
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Syt on June 04, 2009, 11:59:59 AM
I want a Ryder Hook movie with Dolph :(
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Jaron on June 04, 2009, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 03, 2009, 10:48:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 03, 2009, 08:58:24 PM
I still say that, with the right lead, some of the Honor Harrington novels could be terrific movies.

I agree.

Sandra Bullocks would look pretty close to the mental image I have of that bitch.

Though they would probably have to drop the Warshaski sails. That's pretty stupid.

Really? What about Miley? :P I must warn you, brother, she turns 18 in a couple of years and I'm not sure who you'll have to fill her shoes. :(
Title: Re: Scott: 'New Alien film to be prequel'
Post by: Eddie Teach on June 04, 2009, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Jaron on June 04, 2009, 12:11:56 PM
Really? What about Miley? :P I must warn you, brother, she turns 18 in a couple of years and I'm not sure who you'll have to fill her shoes. :(

Don't worry, the people at Disney are always on the lookout for new idols for the pre-teen crowd.